are US clinicals guaranteed

[arneyken]

i was wondering if all students get US rotations or if it is only the very top of the class(like 3%), i had been told only the top of the class gets US rotations and the rest of the class has to go to the UK or Ireland.

[drnick07]

SGU doesn't even have affiliates in Ireland, so your info must be for another school. I'm not to clinicals yet, but i have NEVER heard of such a thing associated with SGU. If it was commonplace, i'm sure you'd read about it here.

[stephew]

i was wondering if all students get US rotations or if it is only the very top of the class(like 3%), i had been told only the top of the class gets US rotations and the rest of the class has to go to the UK or Ireland.
US clihnicals are not guarenteed, however you do not have to go to the UK if you do not want to. Its not guarenteed because occasionally in oder to get all your rotations done within a certain time frame (to graduate by a particular date or to accomodate an elective) one would need to or be better off taking a rotation in the UK. How often does it come to that? rarely. Are people made to go if they dont want to? never. Are you losing a great opportunity if you dont go? Absolutely. THe uK has some of the best clinical training in the world and its a great time to see europe.
Whoever was giving you information was inaccurate.

[helpfulgrad]

Hmmm....
not sure where you got your info regarding Ireland clinicals.....thats a first for me. To answer your question: are us clinicals guaranteed? NO

I say this because you have to meet certain requirements to start the clinical component. The basic requirement is that you pass the USMLE I. You may be allowed to do up to 12 weeks of US rotations (in New York) without passing USMLE I but you must have passed BSCE II (the school's internal exam). However, these 12 weeks will be considered unaffiliated rotations EVEN if you did them at an SGU affiliate.

Passing the BSCE II does guarantee you clinical rotations in the UK however. Therefore, if you fail USMLE I but pass BSCE II, you can start rotations in the UK in the interim before repeating USMLE I. This can save you some time.

Scenarios:
1) Pass USMLE I - you are guaranteed rotations wherever you want them (US, UK)

2) Fail USMLE I, pass BSCE II - you can do rotations in the UK but obviously will have to repeat USMLE I to do US rotations. You can do 12 weeks of "unaffiliated" rotations in New York (IF the school lets you)

3) Fail both BSCE II and USMLE I - you're up the creek until you pass either one. If you pass USMLE I - go to # 1, if you pass BSCE II - go to # 2 until you pass USMLE I.

If you're wondering, BSCE I has nothing to do with clinicals. It does factor in with the GPA and BSCE II when it comes to doing the USMLE.

Finally, SGU does not use a % of students to "pick" for rotations. If ALL students from a particular class pass the required exams (USMLE) then ALL students will be allowed to start rotations wherever they want to (provided space is available)

HG

[stephew]

there are no irish affiliates with sgu. that's auc.

[arneyken]

thank you for all your information, it was helpful

[microphage]

Ireland clinicals are actually very coveted by AUC students. England on the other, not as much(at least this is what I gather from my friends).

[stephew]

Ireland clinicals are actually very coveted by AUC students. England on the other, not as much(at least this is what I gather from my friends).

Funny because at one time not too long ago my expereince with auc students was that they pretty pissed off about "having " to go to Ireland. Which is too bad because ireland has some good teaching hosptials.

[microphage]

Ireland clinicals are actually very coveted by AUC students. England on the other, not as much(at least this is what I gather from my friends).

Funny because at one time not too long ago my expereince with auc students was that they pretty pissed off about "having " to go to Ireland. Which is too bad because ireland has some good teaching hosptials.

That's pretty funny. From the list I saw, there are only 8 spots for Ireland and they will most likely be filled up faster than US spots or England spots. How things have changed :wink:

Personally, I'll stay in the US...