View Full Version : Saba, St Matthews, MUA, Same owners???
The Man
11-24-2009, 10:39 AM
We know that Saba, St Matthews and MUA are owned by Equinox Capital, and that there are people on the boards of more than one school.
So the question i'm asking is, why own 3 schools that are only an hours distance from each other? Another poster said that it makes perfect business sense.
You have Saba: Oldest school, Has 50 states approval, tight admission reqs, Most expensive fees. (First class)
You have St Matthews: 2nd oldest school, most expensive island Has NY and Florida but Cali dissaproved. Admission reqs not so tight, Fees less expensive and no loans (Premium Coach class)
You have MUA Nevis: Youngest of the three, cheapest island of the three, has NY only, relaxed admission reqs ie pre med and the fees are the cheapest of the three. (Coach class)
One owner and 3 Products for different markets (Do i hear a cash register??? Cha ching)
:lol:
PopEmUp
11-24-2009, 11:14 AM
*** is your point?
Are u trying to say that you can think business? Who cares who owns it and what classes they are? or did u think putting first class, coach, etc is a funny example. Retarded imo. OP has too much time in his hand.
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We know that Saba, St Matthews and MUA are owned by Equinox Capital, and that there are people on the boards of more than one school.
So the question i'm asking is, why own 3 schools that are only an hours distance from each other? Another poster said that it makes perfect business sense.
You have Saba: Oldest school, Has 50 states approval, tight admission reqs, Most expensive fees. (First class)
You have St Matthews: 2nd oldest school, most expensive island Has NY and Florida but Cali dissaproved. Admission reqs not so tight, Fees less expensive and no loans (Premium Coach class)
You have MUA Nevis: Youngest of the three, cheapest island of the three, has NY only, relaxed admission reqs ie pre med and the fees are the cheapest of the three. (Coach class)
One owner and 3 Products for different markets (Do i hear a cash register??? Cha ching)
:lol:
so what? why is it bad to invest in medical schools so that people like you and me who can't get into canadian MD schools or afford 400K US schools can still become physicians?
I highly appreciate their business and it's nothing wrong with profiting while educating students. You think Harvard U /NYU/Boston U are not doing business?
nonsense
Specialist
11-24-2009, 01:18 PM
I don't know what the OP is trying to say, but I think that if someone owns more than one school then they should treat them all the same fees, resources and all and not look at them as MD factories for printing $$$$$$. Its best to have one owner that devotes all of their resources and time to you
joe soap
11-24-2009, 02:25 PM
We know that Saba, St Matthews and MUA are owned by Equinox Capital, and that there are people on the boards of more than one school.
So the question i'm asking is, why own 3 schools that are only an hours distance from each other? Another poster said that it makes perfect business sense.
You have Saba: Oldest school, Has 50 states approval, tight admission reqs, Most expensive fees. (First class)
You have St Matthews: 2nd oldest school, most expensive island Has NY and Florida but Cali dissaproved. Admission reqs not so tight, Fees less expensive and no loans (Premium Coach class)
You have MUA Nevis: Youngest of the three, cheapest island of the three, has NY only, relaxed admission reqs ie pre med and the fees are the cheapest of the three. (Coach class)
One owner and 3 Products for different markets (Do i hear a cash register??? Cha ching)
:lol:
MUA is above SMU for a host of reasons (smaller classes, loans, tough exit exam etc)....but then again thats just my opinion. Carib is pretty much all the same in the eyes of people stateside.
mario345
11-24-2009, 02:31 PM
MUA is above SMU for a host of reasons (smaller classes, loans, tough exit exam etc)....but then again thats just my opinion. Carib is pretty much all the same in the eyes of people stateside.
i dont think so buddy.
windsor can say that all they want, but PD know damn well which carib schools to take seriously.
I don't know what the OP is trying to say, but I think that if someone owns more than one school then they should treat them all the same fees, resources and all and not look at them as MD factories for printing $$$$$$. Its best to have one owner that devotes all of their resources and time to you
any why is that? A shampoo company can make different products :) plus, different people like different types of shampoos... so it doesnt make sense for all schools to be treated in the same way!
Plus, some cant afford higher tuition so they go to the inexpensive school... some don't have the gpa or mcat score to go to Saba so they go to others...
stop the nag... seriously... there is nothing wrong with making money as long as you do something good...
prettysmart
11-24-2009, 05:00 PM
any why is that? A shampoo company can make different products :) plus, different people like different types of shampoos... so it doesnt make sense for all schools to be treated in the same way!
Plus, some cant afford higher tuition so they go to the inexpensive school... some don't have the gpa or mcat score to go to Saba so they go to others...
stop the nag... seriously... there is nothing wrong with making money as long as you do something good...
I totally agree with sgMD. This also happens in the car industry. Toyota has Lexus the luxury line and the Avalon for the moderate income and Camry for the budget-wise. Honda has Acura, Accord, and Civic for different groups of customers. Nissan has Infinity, Maxima, and Altima.
Saba owner provides you with different options. If you have high GPA and MCAT scores, go to Saba. If not, then try MUA or St. Matthews and see if they will give you the chance.
joe soap
11-24-2009, 05:22 PM
i dont think so buddy.
windsor can say that all they want, but PD know damn well which carib schools to take seriously.
Who said anything about Windsor...Im at MUA....buddy!
mario345
11-24-2009, 07:27 PM
Who said anything about Windsor...Im at MUA....buddy!
no.
you said carib is pretty much all the same stateside, which is COMPLETELY untrue.
you dont think PDs who will be interviewing candidates for their residency positions dont know which schools the applicants are coming from, and what are the reputations of those schools?
if you say no, then either you are smoking some new brand of mary-j or are ignorant. either way, there is a reason why we have "top 4" schools, and then some.
later "buddy"
I totally agree with sgMD. This also happens in the car industry. Toyota has Lexus the luxury line and the Avalon for the moderate income and Camry for the budget-wise. Honda has Acura, Accord, and Civic for different groups of customers. Nissan has Infinity, Maxima, and Altima.
Saba owner provides you with different options. If you have high GPA and MCAT scores, go to Saba. If not, then try MUA or St. Matthews and see if they will give you the chance.
your analogy makes much more sense than mine! I've no idea how that 'shampoo' example did pop up in my mind! lol... I guess I was thinking of what I am going to do on Saba without my fav. brand of shampoo! haha...
after all, we all should be thankful to the owners of Saba, MUA and SMU for providing us with the chance to become a physician... for those with higher GPA and MCAT scores, and also those with the lower scores...
and yes, please make money on the side because you deserve it! Thank you!
joe soap
11-24-2009, 10:07 PM
no.
you said carib is pretty much all the same stateside, which is COMPLETELY untrue.
you dont think PDs who will be interviewing candidates for their residency positions dont know which schools the applicants are coming from, and what are the reputations of those schools?
if you say no, then either you are smoking some new brand of mary-j or are ignorant. either way, there is a reason why we have "top 4" schools, and then some.
later "buddy"
OC personality is a wonderful thing aint it. Not going to split hairs with you ..."buddy!"
mario345
11-24-2009, 10:31 PM
OC personality is a wonderful thing aint it. Not going to split hairs with you ..."buddy!"
OC is a GREAT trait to have esp. in medicine. it picks up stupidity really well and prevents self damage.
anyhow, feel free to contribute when you have something more intelligent to say.
lates.
joe soap
11-24-2009, 10:42 PM
OC is a GREAT trait to have esp. in medicine. it picks up stupidity really well and prevents self damage.
anyhow, feel free to contribute when you have something more intelligent to say.
lates.
yea I'm sure your fellow colleagues love it too. :lie:
mario345
11-24-2009, 11:04 PM
yea I'm sure your fellow colleagues love it too. :lie:
they do.
im sure your colleagues have bigger issues with your stupid outbursts, and the inability to realize that.
darkmansaad
11-25-2009, 12:17 AM
listen up fools....joe soap i know marios attitude doesnt come off as easy to like...but he's 100% right. Out of those 3 saba is the best best...trust me. But once you talk about Ross and St Georges...all 3 of the schools dont count...trust me i am applying now and see the difference in connections. 50 state approval is HUGE, not to mention USMLE board pass rate and match records. I have seen the match for a lot of carib schools, and while saba's last one left a little to be desired for me personally i dont think SMU or MUA outshone it in any way shape or form. Its great to have school pride....but even among the caribbean schools there is a little hierarchy...especially once you apply for competitive specialties.
If you want to be family/peds/psych/IMG-Internal med programs....its not gonna really matter in the end. You want to be that surgeon/anesthes/ER/etc...get a school and board scores that will put you there. Stop arguing, mario is right. And yes you will learn that being OCD about your education and not trusting anyone but yourself is the only way to a successfull match.
Darkman out
mario345
11-25-2009, 12:53 AM
i dont mean to be a grouch, but this interview, residency ** has got me buggin...
anyhow, i have seen some of the carib students from other newer schools...i dont wanna point them out specifically, but honestly, i get scared when i realize that in one-two years time, these guys will be taking care of patients for real. som eof them coming next july - holy crap!
its not even about medical aptitude (although that may be a big part of it), but the overall impression i get in regards to the maturity level and seriousness, in some of the schools (esp. the ones that do NOT require an undergrad/ college degree) is embarrassing.
and because they happen to be from the 'caribbean' and we happen to be from the caribbean (regardless of how superior SABAs education and board scores are), we all get thrown in the same bag of 'those lousy carib students', when in fact there is a huge difference in the student population.
The Man
11-25-2009, 08:11 AM
My whole point is that these are medical schools not types of shampoo or cars. Meaning that when your resources are split 3 ways you dont always get a better product, plus your interests are divided.
Thats why SMU has still not told me whats happening with Cali.
Saba, SMU and MUA have not applied for CAAM-HP accreditation.
MUA's website still belongs in the stone age.
If Equinox just owned one school or spent more $$$$ then things would be moving a lot quicker. AUA have just completed their multi million dollar campus. They will get Cali eventually and they will overtake all three schools. I give them 3 years tops.
A customer does not care whether the toyota or the shampoo people make money, they just want a good product
(If i'm grumpy its because of coffee deprivation, it'll pass:mad:)
My whole point is that these are medical schools not types of shampoo or cars. Meaning that when your resources are split 3 ways you dont always get a better product, plus your interests are divided.
Thats why SMU has still not told me whats happening with Cali.
Saba, SMU and MUA have not applied for CAAM-HP accreditation.
MUA's website still belongs in the stone age.
If Equinox just owned one school or spent more $$$$ then things would be moving a lot quicker. AUA have just completed their multi million dollar campus. They will get Cali eventually and they will overtake all three schools. I give them 3 years tops.
A customer does not care whether the toyota or the shampoo people make money, they just want a good product
(If i'm grumpy its because of coffee deprivation, it'll pass:mad:)
ok... let them treat all three schools like Saba.... then people like you wouldnt even be here because you didnt have the GPA or MCAT score to get into Saba to begin with!
Is that what you are asking for? or you want Saba's standards to lower so taht you can get into Saba? I don't really get the point....
Listen to Darkman and Mario. The have been there and done that.
Specialist
11-25-2009, 04:51 PM
ok... let them treat all three schools like Saba.... then people like you wouldnt even be here because you didnt have the GPA or MCAT score to get into Saba to begin with!
Is that what you are asking for? or you want Saba's standards to lower so taht you can get into Saba? I don't really get the point....
Look who's talking sgMD
I chose not to apply to Saba, Ross, SGU or AUC, not because I could'nt get in but because I would'nt have been able to afford the fees. Not everyone is lucky enough to have access to loans.
Unlike you, I have completed basic sciences, passed step 1 and 2 (at first attempt) and i'll be graduating next year. When you can do the same then we'll talk and compare scores (from what I see you still have many shelf and board exams to go).
Last time I checked this was an open board. If you don't like the subject, just ignore it. (btw sgMD... don't you have a lecture or something to go to)
Shiz77
11-25-2009, 04:59 PM
Look who's talking sgMD
I chose not to apply to Saba, Ross, SGU or AUC, not because I could'nt get in but because I would'nt have been able to afford the fees. Not everyone is lucky enough to have access to loans.
Unlike you, I have completed basic sciences, passed step 1 and 2 (at first attempt) and i'll be graduating next year. When you can do the same then we'll talk and compare scores (from what I see you still have many shelf and board exams to go).
Last time I checked this was an open board. If you don't like the subject, just ignore it. (btw sgMD... don't you have a lecture or something to go to)
Your post history says that you are applying for May 2010. And that you're applying to AUA and MUA, all schools equal or more expensive to Saba.
There's no point lying on vmd, history can prove otherwise and it just makes you look dumb.:nono:
prettysmart
11-25-2009, 05:27 PM
My whole point is that these are medical schools not types of shampoo or cars. Meaning that when your resources are split 3 ways you dont always get a better product, plus your interests are divided.
Thats why SMU has still not told me whats happening with Cali.
Saba, SMU and MUA have not applied for CAAM-HP accreditation.
MUA's website still belongs in the stone age.
If Equinox just owned one school or spent more $$$$ then things would be moving a lot quicker. AUA have just completed their multi million dollar campus. They will get Cali eventually and they will overtake all three schools. I give them 3 years tops.
A customer does not care whether the toyota or the shampoo people make money, they just want a good product
(If i'm grumpy its because of coffee deprivation, it'll pass:mad:)
Most colleges, like U of Toronto, offer the regular BSc as well as BSc(Hons) degrees.
State University of New York (SUNY) and City University of New York (CUNY) have Honors Colleges in their systems. Students need good SAT score (at least 1300), good interviews, and recommedations to get in. Do honors college within the university system split the schools' resources? No. The creation of honors colleges is just to attract and recruit better students.
That's why there are Saba, MUA, and St. Matthews. And that's why sgMD, a smart BSc (Hons) graduate from U of Toronto, is in Saba.
mario345
11-25-2009, 05:43 PM
Most colleges, like U of Toronto, offer the regular BSc as well as BSc(Hons) degrees.
State University of New York (SUNY) and City University of New York (CUNY) have Honors Colleges in their systems. Students need good SAT score (at least 1300), good interviews, and recommedations to get in. Do honors college within the university system split the schools' resources? No. The creation of honors colleges is just to attract and recruit better students.
That's why there are Saba, MUA, and St. Matthews. And that's why sgMD, a smart BSc (Hons) graduate from U of Toronto, is in Saba.
actually, UToronto only offers Hon BSc. the removed the three year BSC degree in 2005.
Look who's talking sgMD
I chose not to apply to Saba, Ross, SGU or AUC, not because I could'nt get in but because I would'nt have been able to afford the fees. Not everyone is lucky enough to have access to loans.
Unlike you, I have completed basic sciences, passed step 1 and 2 (at first attempt) and i'll be graduating next year. When you can do the same then we'll talk and compare scores (from what I see you still have many shelf and board exams to go).
Last time I checked this was an open board. If you don't like the subject, just ignore it. (btw sgMD... don't you have a lecture or something to go to)
1- so then Saba should lower its tuition fees so that you can go to Saba? is that what you mean by owners of Saba/SMU/MUA not being fair? or simply you could appreciate the fact that they built a school with a lower tuition so that a person like you can attend it!
2- why you want to compare scores with me again? I did not say you are dumb or did not question your intelligence! (Common fallacies of logic and rhetoric: Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument.)
3- I don't agree with you so I argue with you! So people who disagree should just ignore your thread, and people who agree should post here? Dictatorship?
4- No I don't have lectures to go to, because frankly, I will start Saba this January as you can see.... and what is it now? November?
Honestly guys, whatever happened to the level of maturity? We are going to be freaking physicians in the near future, and some cannot even see someone disagree with them, or can't even argue the argument and not attack the arguer and take everything personal?
PS: I am still not sure what you guys want the owners to do? Decrease the standards at Saba and lower its tuition so that everyone can attend it? Saba is California-approved... it MUST be harder to get into Saba and it MUST be more expensive for good reasons...
actually, UToronto only offers Hon BSc. the removed the three year BSC degree in 2005.
yes, but people who graduate with a low gpa are not offered an Honours degree... they still do 4 yrs but receive a BSc... very unfair in fact!
Prettysmart: thank you for the compliment :)
mario345
11-30-2009, 05:56 PM
Most colleges, like U of Toronto, offer the regular BSc as well as BSc(Hons) degrees.
State University of New York (SUNY) and City University of New York (CUNY) have Honors Colleges in their systems. Students need good SAT score (at least 1300), good interviews, and recommedations to get in. Do honors college within the university system split the schools' resources? No. The creation of honors colleges is just to attract and recruit better students.
That's why there are Saba, MUA, and St. Matthews. And that's why sgMD, a smart BSc (Hons) graduate from U of Toronto, is in Saba.
you will realize that once you progress through medical school, terms like 'smart' are of little value. because:
a) everyone is 'smart'...we are the top 0.5% of the population
b) smartness doesnt mean success in medical school for an overwhelming majority...now im not talking about that 5% that are naturally gifted (very rare to find those in a carib schools - most of them get into american schools)...med school exams dont require too much brain actually...its NOT conceptually difficult...its not calculus, engineering or rocket science...
its just volume, volume, volume, and theory...it doesnt involve challenging derivations of material as it requires time, stamina and dedication and straight up monkey work and regurgitation of information. ofcourse you have to play the game right and learn how to study effectively, but you will learn that as soon as you fail your first exam and 'smarten' up.
im saying this because biology, science, etc were my weaknesses in undergrad...and i killed all my calculus, physics and algebra classes [i know undergrad is NOT med school but still]...ive been told that i have a very analytical brain (sometimes horrible for memorizing medical factoids, but good for math)...anyhow, so i struggled throughout my first semester...i think i barely passed anatomy...but you learn...you learn how to memorize, make mnemonics...and repeat, repeat, repeat...
so, my advice...do NOT be put off people that may 'appear' smart and 'nerdy' on the island. trust me, you will have a fair share of those people who will intimidate you and scare you and tell you how to study, etc. you do whats best for you and realize that being smart in medical school doesnt mean jack s**t and you can get triple 99s on your boards if you just put the time and effort
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