Introduction:: Muslim Students starting Ross in Jan 2010

[DestinationUnknown]

RULES:: Just be Respectful !

I would like to introduce myself as Ross Univ. School of Medicine freshmen starting the school in Jan 2010.

Ofcourse any positive comment or just an introduction by someone who is not a muslim is also welcome. I hope we can utilize this as a productive platform to help each other in solving housing situation and other needs of moving on to an island !

Senior students please feel free to guide the incoming with any suggestions you may have !

Thanks

[Sovelin]

I am a Muslim and will be starting in January. I'm coming in from Mass. I was kinda hoping someone from the MSA would have a thread here. I was a little curious about what people eat on the island (I doubt there is anything Halaal or Kosher available).

[DestinationUnknown]

I am a Muslim and will be starting in January. I'm coming in from Mass. I was kinda hoping someone from the MSA would have a thread here. I was a little curious about what people eat on the island (I doubt there is anything Halaal or Kosher available).

Damn!!! I am coming from Mass too .... PM me your contact number, lets talk before we leave the land of opportunities !

[DEQNY85]

RULES:: As the OP of this thread, I would like to request the mods and the community to keep this thread FREE OF POLITICAL AND PERSONAL EMOTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS INVOLVING RELIGIOUS AND DEBATABLE ISSUES.


How much is this gig paying ? I take paypal

[NorthwestMD]

Hi I'm also a muslim student who will be starting Jan2010. Actually I heard that they sell halaal chicken at one of the shacks by campus (YAY!) but that's second hand information.

[Rossgrad2011]

RULES:: As the OP of this thread, I would like to request the mods and the community to keep this thread FREE OF POLITICAL AND PERSONAL EMOTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS INVOLVING RELIGIOUS AND DEBATABLE ISSUES.

I would like to introduce myself as Ross Univ. School of Medicine freshmen starting the school in Jan 2010.

Please feel free to introduce yourself and PM me your contact email. I will soon start a Facebook group. The reason I am trying to get muslim students in a group is to know each other and celebrate our religious/cultural holidays. (I am sure MSA will/might help, but despite my numerous requests and emails to the MSA email addresses at yahoo/gmail, I have not had a response-Maybe they are busy with school?)

Ofcourse any positive comment or just an introduction by someone who is not a muslim is also welcome. I hope we can utilize this as a productive platform to help each other in solving housing situation and other needs of moving on to an island !

Senior students please feel free to guide the incoming with any suggestions you may have !

Thanks

Okay fine i dont want to start trouble but why not help everyone

i was on the island till last sept 08 and it would be nice if things changed and everyone started blending in some and get away from the religious cliques

i feel my post is more of a positive suggestion

i am a nonmuslim i dont bite i dont smell i love humus and i love beautiful olive colored girls too

[AA62]

Please feel free to introduce yourself and PM me your contact email. I will soon start a Facebook group. The reason I am trying to get muslim students in a group is to know each other and celebrate our religious/cultural holidays. (I am sure MSA will/might help, but despite my numerous requests and emails to the MSA email addresses at yahoo/gmail, I have not had a response-Maybe they are busy with school?)

to the OP, the MSA at Ross more than fulfills your intentions, so I wouldn't worry too much about finding a social niche here. Perhaps they haven't responded because they are too busy, or you have to provide more information about yourself (you being an incoming student).

That said, as a soon to be 5th semester leaving the island, through general observation of the last 16 months on this island - I would suggest also mixing and getting to know some non-muslims while you're studying here.

[DestinationUnknown]

Okay fine i dont want to start trouble but why not help everyone

i was on the island till last sept 08 and it would be nice if things changed and everyone started blending in some and get away from the religious cliques

i feel my post is more of a positive suggestion

i am a nonmuslim i dont bite i dont smell i love humus and i love beautiful olive colored girls too

[quote=AA62; to the OP, the MSA at Ross more than fulfills your intentions, so I wouldn't worry too much about finding a social niche here. Perhaps they haven't responded because they are too busy, or you have to provide more information about yourself (you being an incoming student).

That said, as a soon to be 5th semester leaving the island, through general observation of the last 16 months on this island - I would suggest also mixing and getting to know some non-muslims while you're studying here.[/quote]


Points duly noticed !

Matter of fact, my social circle at undergraduate level has predominantly been non-muslims (both genders) and I was an RA at residence halls for 3 years. So in terms of diversity I am more than accepting other cultures and races and respect them.

However, the purpose of this thread is to know the incoming students that I may find have similar social interests as myself in terms of fasting/eids/prayers. Like I said, I am open to have anyone post in this thread if its respectful, however, if someone prefers to have a room mate who with similar beliefs, I dont see anything wrong with them introducing themselves here.

And as I indicated, I am aware that MSA is perhaps occupied too. Afterall they are students too and thats a commitment too. Nor am I starting a new MSA. Just because of this thread, I figured out someone who is coming to Ross from my state ! Also, I have not questioned MSA being active at Ross, because having a Masjid built by students of the University right across the campus speaks for the active aspect of the organization !


RELAX!!! I do not have any ill intentions or to start a new MSA :) I am much rather curious to meet other students from similar faith. Again, not to ignore non-muslims because Im sure I will make great friends there who are not muslims and like my friends so far they will also be friends lifelong.

[babagondeh]

I would like to confirm that there is halal chicken on the island. Its called Sadia Chicken. As for beef, you can either smuggle it in your pants or slaughter one of the cows on your way to class.

On another note, I am looking for muslim roommates. If interested you can PM me and tell me a little about yourself.

I am from the DC metro area, 23 yo, hobbies include watching sports, stnad-up comedy, and martial arts. Pretty laid back guy but focused on doing well in school.


Thanks!

[kingdoc]

I am a Muslim and will be starting in January. I'm coming in from Mass. I was kinda hoping someone from the MSA would have a thread here. I was a little curious about what people eat on the island (I doubt there is anything Halaal or Kosher available).

There is a Muslim corner in shacks...Owned by a Muslim, so you can find halaal stuff there....People say KFC's have halaal stuff too, but i doubt tht....Pretty much tht's ur only options for halaal..Unless u cut it on ur own !

[medic300107]

also there is a mosque right across from campus, run by MSA. Plenty of people go to prayers 5x a day, for fasting the mosque provides food every night. Many of my friends are muslims and as far as i know they haven't had any trouble following their religion here.

[Synophrys]

This is the MOST RACIST thread ever! The OP claims he wants this thread clear of political views and "religious" veiws, yet the entire thing is centered around religious veiws.

I cannot believe how blatantly racist the MSA has become. I have never felt so discriminated against in my life. I am dissapointed in all of you for allowing this segregation to continue.

You dont want to associate with anyone oter than your people... how is this thread not locked, and why does this topic always come up?

[spaz-a-mystic]

i don't think its racist, however, i'm curious if they have services to this extent for other religions..... I make my own accommadations in my own home. I set up my own temple in my home and when fasting, I make my own food specific to my needs. I know everything won't be available so I work with what is.... I think what is bothering the non- muslims about this thread isn't so much the racism (again - people just want to know that there are things available), but the blatant want of the muslims to be catered to. You don't need other muslims to practice your religion, just urself and ur faith. Most people this day and age are tolerant of other religions and cultures that it isn't necessary to be so nonsecular. There is nothing wrong with finding out if foods and places of worship are there - i think to a certain degree everyone is curious about it for their ownselves. But that doesnt mean u must seek out others in ur religion. I think this thread is bothering people because everyone practices their own religion differently and to a certain degree- some more than others. There are differences even in the same religion. As a result, religion is a very personal thing. People should respect other people's space and stick to practicing in your own home the way you are accostomed to rather than form clicks within your sect. It's the same thing as keeping your personal and professional life seperate.....

[islandthrift]

There are many religious groups on campus that practice to various extents. For ex. the JSA has rabbi's that fry in for passover and the high holy days and have Friday night services (without rabbi's). There are Christan and Catholic groups that hold services on Sun mornings. If anyone wants to know about any other religious groups. please feel free to start separate threads.

[Synophrys]

yeah its so tolerant here that you shut down my thread with the EXACT SAME opening statement.... You people make me sick with your lack of tolerance for anything other than your beleifs.

Where is the White student association, or the Agnostic student society, or the Aetheist student society? Why can't groups like the Confederate Rebels of America have rallies on campus? Why is there no Gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender center on campus?

If this forum supports religion, why did the Gay Black Jewish Klansmen for peace and tolerance get shutdown? Why should we discriminate against them?

What makes the muslim religion different from any other way of life? People have a right to believe in what they want. I believe in AMERICA, and I believe in FREEDOM.

[jackbnimble]

This is the MOST RACIST thread ever! The OP claims he wants this thread clear of political views and "religious" veiws, yet the entire thing is centered around religious veiws.

I cannot believe how blatantly racist the MSA has become. I have never felt so discriminated against in my life. I am dissapointed in all of you for allowing this segregation to continue.

You dont want to associate with anyone oter than your people... how is this thread not locked, and why does this topic always come up?

As an observant Jew, I do not share your concerns. Frankly, I think you owe the OP an apology. The OP was simply asking about the availability of their dietary needs and opportunities for comaraderie with kindred spirits. I think the OP was clear about befriending non=Muslims. I think your post can best be summed up as "pot calling the kettle black." No racial undertones intended in referring to "black:)"

Jack

[Xalin73]

I can explain why there is no agnostic students association. When it comes to religion agnostics like myself.... well we dont care. I am not gonna spend my time in a church or temple so thus I am not gonna spend my time in a group of others like me. When it comes to religion beleive whatever you want. As long as you dont push your beliefs on me its all good. Join together with others that think like you and believe like you do and enjoy yourself. I am quite fine spending my extra free time studying and making med school look easy :).

[TheMedStudent]

There is halaal food on the island that gets shipped from Trinidad and the neighboring islands.

Tina's has uncooked Sadia halaal meat and frozen chicken nuggets, burgers, etc.

There are a few shacks that cook halaal meat, for example...Nelson's "spicy chicken" is halaal, the other kind isn't.

The first shack across from the fruit lady ( the name slips my mind at the moment) also makes halaal chicken.

[Xalin73]

What is halaal meat?

I may be agnostic but religion is fasciniating to me.

[rokshana]

What is halaal meat?

I may be agnostic but religion is fasciniating to me.

halaal is to islam as kosher is to judism...the animal is slaughtered and meat prepared in accordance to islam rules and regulations.

[spaz-a-mystic]

Where is the White student association,



white is a skin color- not a culture or religion


or the Agnostic student society, or the Aetheist student society?



there might be - just because there isn't a thread for it doesn't mean it doesn't exist...



Why can't groups like the Confederate Rebels of America have rallies on campus?



people are too busy doing other things, like perhaps studying and trying to get a degree, than waste time rallying... if you have time to set up a rally- go for it..... no one is stopping you - just don't expect everyone to care...



Why is there no Gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender center on campus?



again, how do u know it doesn't exist? If it doesn't and u really believe that strongly about it - set it up urself rather than whining.



If this forum supports religion, why did the Gay Black Jewish Klansmen for peace and tolerance get shutdown? Why should we discriminate against them?



Gay is a gender preference, not a religion
Black is a skin color, not a religion
As previously stated, there are things out there for Jewish people
U can't be gay, black , jewish AND a klansmen - kkk lynched jews, gays, and blacks unless ur suicidal....

and because this forum does not support suicide nor lynching people, ur thread was shut down



What makes the muslim religion different from any other way of life? People have a right to believe in what they want. I believe in AMERICA, and I believe in FREEDOM.



islam is different just like judaism, christianity, hinduism, and other religions are different - just different set of beliefs. People have the right to believe what THEY TRULY believe in - not make outrageous statements for the sake of making outrageous statements. If you really believed in America and freedom, then u would also practice the 5th amendment and respect OTHER people's FREEDOM to believe in what they want rather than shooting them down.

Dude stop making stupid comments just to try to piss people off for your own entertainment- find something more productive to do......

[DestinationUnknown]

RULES:: As the OP of this thread, I would like to request the mods and the community to keep this thread FREE OF POLITICAL AND PERSONAL EMOTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS INVOLVING RELIGIOUS AND DEBATABLE ISSUES.

I would like to introduce myself as Ross Univ. School of Medicine freshmen starting the school in Jan 2010.

Ofcourse any positive comment or just an introduction by someone who is not a muslim is also welcome. I hope we can utilize this as a productive platform to help each other in solving housing situation and other needs of moving on to an island !

Senior students please feel free to guide the incoming with any suggestions you may have !

Thanks

Thanks guys who have responded to above posts. I have to admit that first time I read a few replies, it made me uncomfortable but I am kind of person that I shrugged it off soon, especially seeing the knowledgeable community. I am truly glad that we are having "tolerant" physicians in my generation which will definitely improve many aspects of medicine in USA.

I dont feel like responding to the negative posts about my opening post. I welcome friends from all faiths and living in residential way of life on campus throughout my undergraduate career, most of my social circle comprises of non-muslims.

I dont celebrate Christmas in its religious meaning. I dont know the background of it other than what I have learned from my friends or on TV. My muslim holidays are different, and I am sure many non-muslims dont know the background of those holidays. This is diversity !!! I dont hold anything against other faiths, but at the same time I like to be respected based on my views. For all my questions so far on this forum, I have been helped by more non-muslims than muslims (no offense to you guys - I realize the nature of the med school beast), but have I replied to their responses saying "No, I dont need help from you because you are non muslim ?" Sure, I have NOT.

After St. Georges, Ross has established a reputation and name in providing Med. School Education off-shore. I have no doubt in my mind that if someone wanted to start a new student group, they would be against it, unless it threatens the security of other students or something of that nature. In fact, my interviewer told me that such activities apart from academia are strongly supported by ROSS.

If students start picking arguments even before the school has started, then it will be difficult for the next 16 months for others to tolerate muslims. There is all different kind of people. If someone feels they have been mis-treated by muslims, or in a way that they should not have, I personally apologize on behalf of many other muslims (most if not all) for your feelings being hurt.

We are so open to fraternities and their benefits in college and dont call that discrimination when people get jobs through networking and connections, yet, when it comes to a group of people bound by a faith/religion, it becomes automatic discrimination. The umbrella of discrimination now covers a whole heck of a lot more than just religion, color and race !

Thank you all for positive, tolerant and constructive comments.

[wingedevil]

DU, u don't need to apologize for others. Most of us are not narrowminded. Even if I had an arguement or a fight with a muslim, it won't be because of the religion but might be because of the dislike of that person's personality or such. This is 2009 and we are about to start a career in medical field. Apart from our skin colors and believe in different religions, we all are are just the creatures of 23 pairs of chromosome (well, some have more and some have less! :)
In the dark, we all are blind.

[DestinationUnknown]

DU, u don't need to apologize for others. Most of us are not narrowminded. Even if I had an arguement or a fight with a muslim, it won't be because of the religion but might be because of the dislike of that person's personality or such. This is 2009 and we are about to start a career in medical field. Apart from our skin colors and believe in different religions, we all are are just the creatures of 23 pairs of chromosome (well, some have more and some have less! :)
In the dark, we all are blind.

Thank you. I like the chromosome analogy, I just hope no one comes about proving their 23 pairs superior than others :D

[rokshana]

If you really believed in America and freedom, then u would also practice the 5th amendment and respect OTHER people's FREEDOM to believe in what they want rather than shooting them down.

....

um the 5th amendment is the right against self incrimination...

and while you may not like it, he IS practicing his 1st amendment right (that's freedom of speech just in case you didn't know).

[spaz-a-mystic]

yes i know.

5th Amendment: a person has the right NOT TO SPEAK because the response could provide self-incriminating evidence

[rokshana]

yes i know. my reference to the 5th amendment - stop proving ur ignorant by insulting others.....

i know he is practicing his freedom of speech and has every right to but doesn't mean he can't use it responsibly on this site by being kind or at least tactful....

i would first suggest noob, that you edit your post for a TOS violoation, since you are the one being insulting...

and exactly how am I being insulting...by pointing out your mistake? your reference to the 5th amendment is downright WRONG.

and while it would be nice for there to be an amendment for people to be kind to each other, there isn't one. The closest amendments that refer to freedom are the 13-15th amendments...you may want to brush up on your US history.

and while synophrys may not be tactful it is not a TOS violation....your post however is.

[Specialist]

I think that everyone should be free to practice their own religion. But I also believe that groups such as the Muslim Students Association and the Christian Students Association for that matter only highlight the differences between students and are not helpful in a student environment far away from home.

I follow a religion myself but I don't feel the need to announce it or distinguish myself from others because of it. I am one of those people that think that religion and school or the state should not mix. Muslims, Christians etc this is a school forum. :|

[hopelessMD]

mod please lock this thread before it gets out of hand

[islandthrift]

Folks stay on topic. This thread is about Muslim Students starting Jan 2010 and what is and is not available for Muslim students.

[kingdoc]

This is the MOST RACIST thread ever! The OP claims he wants this thread clear of political views and "religious" veiws, yet the entire thing is centered around religious veiws.

I cannot believe how blatantly racist the MSA has become. I have never felt so discriminated against in my life. I am dissapointed in all of you for allowing this segregation to continue.

You dont want to associate with anyone oter than your people... how is this thread not locked, and why does this topic always come up?

I don't know wht religion u r....But I don't think MSA is racist...It's instead every 1 else who is racist to MSA.....Muslims around the world are looked down upon...Coz they r the one who plan all the terrorist activities and stuff.... But alas, no 1 understand the real meaning behind it...!

[mspropst]

I don't know wht religion u r....But I don't think MSA is racist...It's instead every 1 else who is racist to MSA.....Muslims around the world are looked down upon...Coz they r the one who plan all the terrorist activities and stuff.... But alas, no 1 understand the real meaning behind it...!

The meaning behind Islam or the terrorist attacks? Lol.

[mspropst]

I dont celebrate Christmas in its religious meaning. I dont know the background of it other than what I have learned from my friends or on TV.

Take a look on google, you'd be surprised that the large majority of the traditions did not arise from Christianity and that December 25th is not actually believed to be the birthday of Jesus. Santa Claus aka Saint Nicholas is actually modelled after a man who gave out gifts. "Yule"-tide carols.. pops up in a few Christmas songs. Yule is "initially celebrated by the historical Germanic peoples as a pagan religious festival, though it was later absorbed into, and equated with, the Christian festival of Christmas."

Look into it, 95% of it is not Christian-related. Feel free to celebrate it in all its glory. There's nothing wrong with appreciating family, decorating and giving gifts to one another. I say this as the son of a Baptist dad, a Church of Christ mom (whose grandfather was a pastor for 60 years). I also went to a Lutheran private school for a good while and converted to Judaism (part of my family is Jewish and they have a Christmas tree, menorah and dreidels all in one celebration).

[kingdoc]

The meaning behind Islam or the terrorist attacks? Lol.

The meaning behind we have those Attacks @ the 1st place.....

[DEQNY85]

As a non-muslim, how do I go about dating a muslim woman?

[jar22]

I would only say this...
I have a lot of muslim friends...
as far as I know they are really good friends of mine. I dont understand one thing and if any of you could explain, i;ll be forever greatul to you. i dont understand that every one who says they love Allah, shouldnt they consider everyone as equal. good example: they would only share "files" or summaries to only muslim friends and i think they make them swear not to give it to a non-muslim. once they find out that you are not a muslim even if you look like one, they would delete you from their email list, like totally ex-communicate with you when it comes to sharing resources. is that what Allah wants you to practice? NO! Allah/God wants you to consider everybody equal. those of you guys who pretend to Love Allah, consider it again and be equal to everybody. its not about files but its about how you treat non-muslims....treat everybody equal and you will be treated the same way. simple as that...

[DEQNY85]

what's an allah?

[DestinationUnknown]

I would only say this...
I have a lot of muslim friends...
as far as I know they are really good friends of mine. I dont understand one thing and if any of you could explain, i;ll be forever greatul to you. i dont understand that every one who says they love Allah, shouldnt they consider everyone as equal. good example: they would only share "files" or summaries to only muslim friends and i think they make them swear not to give it to a non-muslim. once they find out that you are not a muslim even if you look like one, they would delete you from their email list, like totally ex-communicate with you when it comes to sharing resources. is that what Allah wants you to practice? NO! Allah/God wants you to consider everybody equal. those of you guys who pretend to Love Allah, consider it again and be equal to everybody. its not about files but its about how you treat non-muslims....treat everybody equal and you will be treated the same way. simple as that...

I maybe wrong in replying to your question but here is my take on it. You see, like any religion, muslims have people who practice faith at different levels. MSA is a religious organization just like many other religions have, so the probability to find more dedicated people towards the faith is high to find in MSA or a mosque (im not ignoring the fact you will find everyone at any level in faith in these settings)

Now, according to religion islam, or going by the book/law, certain boundaries are set up in islam just like they are in other religions. An example would be interaction of males vs. females. Now depending upon the level of practicing muslim, you will find variability in this particular aspect. (It is my understanding that by the book, many other religions are just as conservative as islam - however the western societies are more liberal and accepting than mid-eastern and rest of the muslim world).

Now if there is 1 conservative person in any MSA, lets SUPPOSE, there is at least one conservative muslim (doesnt mean he is extremist or terrorist, just his faith/belief) and he finds the liberal interaction of males and females unacceptable for his personal standards, It is my personal feeling that he will get offended when a non-muslim comes about asking "How do I hook up with Muslim hotties ? "

I feel that my above explanation can be applied towards other religions too. If I am a christian, and a Muslim is asking me " How do I hook up with that hot Nun ?" I would feel that the other person is not being sensitive and respectable towards my religion.

**MAYBE** that is why the some MSAs around the US are more conservative in terms of sharing their resources and efforts because MAYBE they just feel that they are not respected enough. I understand not everyone is the same and many non-muslims have good intentions and to share resources with them would in the bigger picture help the society and medical profession in general. However, even now muslims are treated differently at airports, esp. if one is a male and young and is going through the airport. Again, not every muslim is bad !

If somehow the society can unify and respect each others beliefs without imposing personal or cultural norms over each other, I dont see why there would be any issue in sharing or interacting with others.

Now, maybe people will disagree with my post above and please be aware that my post above is **NOT** in anyway targeted towards MSA at ROSS, since I have seen/experienced it personally. These are my personal sentiments from observing various MSAs in northeast US.

FYI: The religion in itself does not stop muslims to share resources with non-muslims in Community. (Community being the keyword, because even if many muslims will not accept it openly, they still feel that they are treated as second class citizens in US because of their race. Not only at airports, but in everyday life by law enforcement officials, banks, grocery stores, etc).

That all being said, I dont know how true the Oath of NOT Sharing with non muslims is.. maybe its a rumor. Maybe its not, maybe the members of MSA feel that they have dedicated time and effort and they are not willing to share it with others as yet. Just like, Dept. of Justice feels that they have spent numerous years on building a system and having alot of muslims in their maybe a threat (religiously, the govt. agencies lack serious diversity). I am writing MAYBE, a lot so as not to accuse anyone or their beliefs.

Hence, these MAYBE some reasons why MSA at Ross feels to remain conservative in certain aspects IF the above post is true. Maybe its totally opposite about MSA. However, one thing - nothing comes free in todays world. Since, everyone is a medical student at Ross, It shouldnt have been any difficult for other student groups to pool up resources and prepare supporting materials like MSA has done.

Personally, on the basis of my opinions about respect of muslims and islam in US, I wouldnt mind sharing resources with non-muslims if it wasnt prohibited by the policies of MSA as my personal choice. However, if it is in fact discouraged to make every resource that people have put time and effort to bring together and specified to be used only by certain students, I totally respect and understand that thought/policy as well. I feel its like some of the perks people get for being of a particular race... example, certain scholarships for specific ethnic groups, diversity preference in certain job sectors, etc.

[DestinationUnknown]

what's an Allah?

Allah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am assuming that you are not mocking/joking about it, and hence I copied the link above. If it was a sarcastic post, with all due respect, I can see some people getting disturbed. {not saying I am, because I am not :) } - Such things CAN cause back and forth heated arguments.

[jackbnimble]

I maybe wrong in replying to your question but here is my take on it. You see, like any religion, muslims have people who practice faith at different levels. MSA is a religious organization just like many other religions have, so the probability to find more dedicated people towards the faith is high to find in MSA or a mosque (im not ignoring the fact you will find everyone at any level in faith in these settings)

Now, according to religion islam, or going by the book/law, certain boundaries are set up in islam just like they are in other religions. An example would be interaction of males vs. females. Now depending upon the level of practicing muslim, you will find variability in this particular aspect. (It is my understanding that by the book, many other religions are just as conservative as islam - however the western societies are more liberal and accepting than mid-eastern and rest of the muslim world).

Now if there is 1 conservative person in any MSA, lets SUPPOSE, there is at least one conservative muslim (doesnt mean he is extremist or terrorist, just his faith/belief) and he finds the liberal interaction of males and females unacceptable for his personal standards, It is my personal feeling that he will get offended when a non-muslim comes about asking "How do I hook up with Muslim hotties ? "

I feel that my above explanation can be applied towards other religions too. If I am a christian, and a Muslim is asking me " How do I hook up with that hot Nun ?" I would feel that the other person is not being sensitive and respectable towards my religion.

**MAYBE** that is why the some MSAs around the US are more conservative in terms of sharing their resources and efforts because MAYBE they just feel that they are not respected enough. I understand not everyone is the same and many non-muslims have good intentions and to share resources with them would in the bigger picture help the society and medical profession in general. However, even now muslims are treated differently at airports, esp. if one is a male and young and is going through the airport. Again, not every muslim is bad !

If somehow the society can unify and respect each others beliefs without imposing personal or cultural norms over each other, I dont see why there would be any issue in sharing or interacting with others.

Now, maybe people will disagree with my post above and please be aware that my post above is **NOT** in anyway targeted towards MSA at ROSS, since I have seen/experienced it personally. These are my personal sentiments from observing various MSAs in northeast US.

FYI: The religion in itself does not stop muslims to share resources with non-muslims in Community. (Community being the keyword, because even if many muslims will not accept it openly, they still feel that they are treated as second class citizens in US because of their race. Not only at airports, but in everyday life by law enforcement officials, banks, grocery stores, etc).

That all being said, I dont know how true the Oath of NOT Sharing with non muslims is.. maybe its a rumor. Maybe its not, maybe the members of MSA feel that they have dedicated time and effort and they are not willing to share it with others as yet. Just like, Dept. of Justice feels that they have spent numerous years on building a system and having alot of muslims in their maybe a threat (religiously, the govt. agencies lack serious diversity). I am writing MAYBE, a lot so as not to accuse anyone or their beliefs.

Hence, these MAYBE some reasons why MSA at Ross feels to remain conservative in certain aspects IF the above post is true. Maybe its totally opposite about MSA. However, one thing - nothing comes free in todays world. Since, everyone is a medical student at Ross, It shouldnt have been any difficult for other student groups to pool up resources and prepare supporting materials like MSA has done.

Personally, on the basis of my opinions about respect of muslims and islam in US, I wouldnt mind sharing resources with non-muslims if it wasnt prohibited by the policies of MSA as my personal choice. However, if it is in fact discouraged to make every resource that people have put time and effort to bring together and specified to be used only by certain students, I totally respect and understand that thought/policy as well. I feel its like some of the perks people get for being of a particular race... example, certain scholarships for specific ethnic groups, diversity preference in certain job sectors, etc.

While you may have opened the door to what you decried against in your initial post, thanks for taking the time to write a well considered response.

Jack

[Laconic]

wait, does a muslim woman equate to a nun? hmm.

I dont see any reason for any muslims to get agitated if a non-muslim was dating a muslim woman.

btw, deqny- a tip- they like the beef ;)

[DEQNY85]

Allah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah)

I am assuming that you are not mocking/joking about it, and hence I copied the link above. If it was a sarcastic post, with all due respect, I can see some people getting disturbed. {not saying I am, because I am not :) } - Such things CAN cause back and forth heated arguments.
I don't really consider myself much of a joker...if thats what you are implying...but I actually was trying to get a deeper reasoning from the Muslim faith of what Allah really represents? I'm well aware that it represents your God

[rokshana]

I don't really consider myself much of a joker...if thats what you are implying...but I actually was trying to get a deeper reasoning from the Muslim faith of what Allah really represents? I'm well aware that it represents your God

Yahweh=Jevovah=Allah=God

different words from different languages all mean the same thing....and its The God...there is no yours and mine here...there is only one you know (hence the montheistic nature of the 3 major religions that stem from the same geographical region)...

you should read The History of God - its an interesting read.

[Sovelin]

Rokshana you beat me to it :) With Eid and work I just didn't get the chance to reply, but yes, Rokshana worded it beautifully. And to everyone else, Eid Mubarak!

[Young Maverick]

As a white dude I too was a bit angry for not having my own group I can participate in and build unity and power. I have since decided to not dwell on this. I discovered being a part of the MSA gave you access to high quality study material. Since about the only way to get this is to befriend a Muslim, I did just that. I have gotten with two different Muslim girls since being on the island. I find they are better girlfriends than white girls since they have all this pent up lust they were never able to express. I made this a win/win situation. Good grades and good luvin'. I love it here.

[mspropst]

As a white dude I too was a bit angry for not having my own group I can participate in and build unity and power. I have since decided to not dwell on this. I discovered being a part of the MSA gave you access to high quality study material. Since about the only way to get this is to befriend a Muslim, I did just that. I have gotten with two different Muslim girls since being on the island. I find they are better girlfriends than white girls since they have all this pent up lust they were never able to express. I made this a win/win situation. Good grades and good luvin'. I love it here.

Congrats I guess? On the whole Muslim girl thing.

Not really sure how to respond to the rest considering a lot of Muslims are (a) white and (b) most white groups have a tendency to be not about promotion of everyone in the group, but to the destruction of all those non-whites who are not in it... maybe that's why there isn't any group because it too easily gets marked as the new KKK. Just a thought.

[Young Maverick]

Congrats I guess? On the whole Muslim girl thing.

Not really sure how to respond to the rest considering a lot of Muslims are (a) white and (b) most white groups have a tendency to be not about promotion of everyone in the group, but to the destruction of all those non-whites who are not in it... maybe that's why there isn't any group because it too easily gets marked as the new KKK. Just a thought.

I'm pretty sure if I was in a lineup with Muslims, even Muslims would be able to pick me out as the white guy. I'm pretty pasty white. I get your point but you knew what I was saying. It is very unfair to say that when white people are in groups they get marked as KKK. That is like saying every Muslim group are extremest out for jihad. Don't be hating mspropst, you need to hop on the band wagon and start luvin. Start first by loving yourself and your own identity, even if you are white, it's ok to love yourself. I know the liberal media and education system has really made WASPs feel unworthy of love, but don't you believe it for one second mspropst. Word out.

[mspropst]

I'm pretty sure if I was in a lineup with Muslims, even Muslims would be able to pick me out as the white guy. I'm pretty pasty white. I get your point but you knew what I was saying. It is very unfair to say that when white people are in groups they get marked as KKK. That is like saying every Muslim group are extremest out for jihad. Don't be hating mspropst, you need to hop on the band wagon and start luvin. Start first by loving yourself and your own identity, even if you are white, it's ok to love yourself. I know the liberal media and education system has really made WASPs feel unworthy of love, but don't you believe it for one second mspropst. Word out.


What I was saying is that regardless of what you do, a white group is going to be called the KKK by someone unless it is a religious or some other sort of group. Just like people in the US call every Muslim group extremists out for Jihad as you put it.

I have nothing against myself, I was just saying that's probably why that idea doesn't go over so well ;). I am not some liberal guy who feels "the white guilt." I did nothing in my past that should make me feel guilty and I owe no debt due to whatever any ancestors may have done.

[DestinationUnknown]

As a white dude I too was a bit angry for not having my own group I can participate in and build unity and power. I have since decided to not dwell on this. I discovered being a part of the MSA gave you access to high quality study material. Since about the only way to get this is to befriend a Muslim, I did just that. I have gotten with two different Muslim girls since being on the island. I find they are better girlfriends than white girls since they have all this pent up lust they were never able to express. I made this a win/win situation. Good grades and good luvin'. I love it here.

I have to disagree with your post to some extent.

A. There will be muslim girls who will feel good, that their love life is about to spice up in trade for some (maybe free) educational resources that a supportive organization is providing. Well all I gots to say is Good for Them. No judgements on my behalf.

(I just re-read my post, and want to re-iterate that not all muslim women have a dull love life. :D )


B. Many Muslim and hopefully (non-muslim) girls here will HOPEFULLY see that how are women utilized and used. I have been in numerous debates with women rights activists and feminists on such like issues. Perhaps women can see this and keep this aspect in mind ! Maybe the girls you dated knew that they were in it for some NSA fun, but when you refer them as girlfriends and then talk down to them, in my opinion it is insulting for women (muslim or not)

I know its not going to Stop (sharing or resources and then such posts) , but maybe , just Maybe, the person before who asked why Muslims are against sharing their resources can see and understand this side of the picture ? While it may seem out of line, but the posts above are inline with my Opening Post, by at least putting it out there that what Muslims have to keep in mind at Ross.

Please be advised, I am not condemning non-muslims. If the above poster showed some sincerity, and maybe stated that his time with Muslim Girlfriends on Island was great and it worked out for both of them (if it was agreed mutual temp thing), I would have different sentiments on it, because then It would have been a Personal choice of a Muslim (or non muslims) female which I would be bound to respect (leaving judgement of action under religion to God).

In retrospect, I hope people can see how courts and local system sees when illegal immigrants marry US nationals for getting US Citizenship. Just like I think the above post has moral issues, I feel that marrying someone just for the sake of citizenship is wrong too !

An eye opener for someone like me starting in 2010 ! (no worries to all the sincere Non-Muslims, who are out there just to study and exceed. I will not hesitate for a second to befriend you guys and share/group to study which will lead for BOTH parties involved to reach their goals with mutual respect)

[Young Maverick]

Please be advised, I am not condemning non-muslims. If the above poster showed some sincerity, and maybe stated that his time with Muslim Girlfriends on Island was great and it worked out for both of them (if it was agreed mutual temp thing), I would have different sentiments on it, because then It would have been a Personal choice of a Muslim (or non muslims) female which I would be bound to respect (leaving judgement of action under religion to God).


Dude, I think it is just the opposite. My Muslim girl does not go out in public with me much. She worries what people think about the whole thing. I'm sort of her hidden boy toy. It is almost like she is ashamed of me. It's all good though, I'm just some kind of forbidden fruit that she enjoys. All bubbles no troubles.

[DestinationUnknown]

Please be advised, I am not condemning non-muslims. If the above poster showed some sincerity, and maybe stated that his time with Muslim Girlfriends on Island was great and it worked out for both of them (if it was agreed mutual temp thing), I would have different sentiments on it, because then It would have been a Personal choice of a Muslim (or non muslims) female which I would be bound to respect (leaving judgement of action under religion to God).


Dude, I think it is just the opposite. My Muslim girl does not go out in public with me much. She worries what people think about the whole thing. I'm sort of her hidden boy toy. It is almost like she is ashamed of me. It's all good though, I'm just some kind of forbidden fruit that she enjoys. All bubbles no troubles.


Aaahh, the wonders of Med School ! :)

[DEQNY85]

Lol the irony

the biggest advocate (OP) that insisted people don't go into religious arguements is the one arguing the most in the thread

[DestinationUnknown]

Lol the irony

the biggest advocate (OP) that insisted people don't go into religious arguements is the one arguing the most in the thread

lol Biggest Advocate ? Im sure theres bigger than myself. Actually I honestly considered asking Mods to close the thread, but that would be just one other failed thread where people failed to listen to each other.

Contrarily, I am thinking to Edit my Original Post. I think we have so far been able to Respectfully Discuss stuff without bashing each other.

As for being actively monitoring this thread, Gimme a little break to enjoy and chill while I can. From you veterans of the Rock, I see my good days coming to an end soon :P

[DEQNY85]

Sir, please don't attempt to be cunning with me. The biggest advocate in the thread of course. Use your brain...

[racheleve]

Wow,this is ridiculous, hahah. Now I remember why I've been avoiding reading this thread.

[Fipe071]

I would also like to respectfully ask the moderators to ban threads that include any kind of religious or political content. Such threads divide and create controversy among ValueMD's users.

Thank you.

[jackbnimble]

I would also like to respectfully ask the moderators to ban threads that include any kind of religious or political content. Such threads divide and create controversy among ValueMD's users.

As these type of threads go, I couldn't disagree more. DestinationUnkown was very respectful and simply asked a question. It was inclusive. Me requesting to hear from other bleeding heart liberal democrats would not be divisive unless I actively wanted to bar others. If VMDers are apt to become controversial by this thread, then that is a different problem and doesn't give us much credit.

Inclusively,
Jack

[Tropics]

Hi,

I am a Muslim girl from New Jersey starting Ross in January. Are there any other Muslim girls also starting in Jan? Also, are there any girls looking for a roomate because I would be interested.

Thanks!

[Sovelin]

Hi,

I am a Muslim girl from New Jersey starting Ross in January. Are there any other Muslim girls also starting in Jan? Also, are there any girls looking for a roomate because I would be interested.

Thanks!

You're starting in January and you haven't picked housing yet? You better get on that immediately.

[Tropics]

Any suggestions for roomate/housing?

[mspropst]

As these type of threads go, I couldn't disagree more. DestinationUnkown was very respectful and simply asked a question. She was inclusive. Me requesting to hear from other bleeding heart liberal democrats would not be divisive unless I actively wanted to bar others. If VMDers are apt to become controversial by this thread, then that is a different problem and doesn't give us much credit.

Inclusively,
Jack

DestinationUnknown is a he just so you know.

Hi,

I am a Muslim girl from New Jersey starting Ross in January. Are there any other Muslim girls also starting in Jan? Also, are there any girls looking for a roomate because I would be interested.

Thanks!

Best place to look would be under the January 2010 Sticky thread, under Ross University Sticky Forum or the Housing in Dominica sticky thread, under the Ross University Sticky Forum.

Any suggestions for roomate/housing?

Once again, best place to look would be under the January 2010 Sticky thread, under Ross University Sticky Forum or the Housing in Dominica sticky thread, under the Ross University Sticky Forum.

[medic300107]

Once again, best place to look would be under the January 2010 Sticky thread, under Ross University Sticky Forum or the Housing in Dominica sticky thread, under the Ross University Sticky Forum.

Usually facebook group for incoming class is a good place to look as well.

[Asiddi22]

MSA's purpose is to unite people who have similar lifestyles, beliefs, origins, values, culture etc based on the Islamic religion.. since most Muslims DO share the same of all those aspects. Most tend to be Pakistani, Indian, (aka brown) or Arab and all Muslim culture is the same because of holidays, traditions, etc.

Now most Christians in America tend to be Caucasian (aka white) or African American (aka black) and obviously other races too but for the purpose of this post we'll just say MOST are Caucasian. Now If a group of Christians who were mostly white were to go to some Muslim country full of Arabs or full of brown people for medical school and that school had a forum dedicated to its students and to the rest of the world for general information... I'm pretty sure they would all be wondering if they can find people in the same boat as them; people of the same beliefs, same origins, same lifestyles, same culture. Specially for a roommate or for general information on religious or cultural activities such as going to church once a week or celebrating the same holidays. Since nobody in Arabia is gonna be celebrating Christmas, those group of Christians might try to find ''their'' people so that they can get them all together and do the same things.

So why the heck is it such a big issue to just make a thread asking for this sort of information? Everyone that talks smack about MSA or Muslims for being so united or having their own 'sect' I'd like to see each one of you (the one's who talk smack) go to some Muslim country like Saudi, or Pakistan, or Egypt.. and not do the same thing. Maybe when you're looked at differently or treated differently or when you're conditioned to feel as an outsider, you'll begin to form such groups and organizations also and tend to ''stick together''.

A typical response from one of the ''crap talkers'' would be "then why don't you go back to your country".. well I have many answers to that but to get to the point.. I was never the one complaining, you were (referring to the one or two specific people who were talking smack). I'm only defending the MSA and the Muslims that you attacked first. So who's causing the disunity? First people like you cause it, and then people like you complain, then people like you cause people like me to get pist and not want to give people like you the old tests or files that the MSA has access to.

I'm not reading any replies to this nor am I visiting this thread again so you guys can get back to your topic and not reply to this. In fact, I'm even reconsidering attending Ross because of a few other threads just like this one. I rather go to medical school, not re do highschool all over.

[DestinationUnknown]

So there was an MSA hosted event, for which Ross Univ. made an exception to their policy for having a student organization reserve Annex. for the evening (apparently its against school policies to reserve a class room because they are designated study spaces)

Anyways, the MSA had their smartest members, statistically 4.0 students in particular subjects who gave very informative presentations about professors and first semester classes.

They also OPENLY offered their files/resources to ANYONE who attended AND to anyone who was not able to attend. I think it was a great evening (although a bit long, since it was 2-3 hours) and walking out knowing a few imp. topics for the mini wasnt a bad trade.