Mac Kills Atom Support.

[tegraphile]

Intel Atom Still Unsupported on Mac OS X 10.6.2 Seeds - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/11/09/intel-atom-still-unsupported-on-mac-os-x-10-6-2-seeds/)

Apparently, Apple really wants you expand your creativity and wants to encourage your desires to drive innovation, because that is what a Mac user is all about.... unless you're not working on a Mac, then they lay the smack down.

Sad... I was considering a hackintosh of my mini 9 when I got home, just to see what the hype was all about, but I guess it's Win7 for me.

Also, ask Psystar how kind and gentle big brother Apple really is when someone else decides to add some creativity of their product.

[slevit1]

Intel Atom Still Unsupported on Mac OS X 10.6.2 Seeds - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/11/09/intel-atom-still-unsupported-on-mac-os-x-10-6-2-seeds/)

Apparently, Apple really wants you expand your creativity and wants to encourage your desires to drive innovation, because that is what a Mac user is all about.... unless you're not working on a Mac, then they lay the smack down.

Sad... I was considering a hackintosh of my mini 9 when I got home, just to see what the hype was all about, but I guess it's Win7 for me.

Also, ask Psystar how kind and gentle big brother Apple really is when someone else decides to add some creativity of their product.

You're seriously supporting Psystar? I suppose you're entitled to your own opinion and I know you're not alone in being upset that Apple has shut out atom processors. However, I think it was the right thing for them to do. OSX is made to run on Mac hardware, which is one of the reasons it's more stable than windows machines. One of the reasons that their support is so great is that when you buy a mac, you're buying Apple hardware, OS, and much of the software. That way, no matter what is wrong, they can fix it. When you install OSX on another computer, you lose that experience, and there is no way for Apple to be sure that things will run properly. You may just want to run OSX, and not care if things aren't quite as perfect as Apple would like. But, whether you like it or not, that's how Apple does things, and it's one of the reasons that they're far and away #1 in customer satisfaction. You can't really just break a company's EULA and then be mad when they decide to do something about it. Hackintoshes are just that....hacks. Usually, hacks are patched.

[drpeppir]

OSX is made to run on Mac hardware, which is one of the reasons it's more stable than windows machines.

mac hardware below the shiny aluminum is the same as pc hardware, they prob killed atom support because it has compatibility issues with OSX just like many other things.

Basically apple is so limited as far as the hardware you can use with their OS that sooner or later it will become obsolete.

[Macgyver1MD]

Sorry Slevit but any mac owner will defend their 1000- 2000 laptop purchase. Especially when someone else pays $500 for a hackintosh that has 95% of the same functionality. They feel a little slighted and jealous of someone else enjoying the same experience on a cheaper budget.

We all do it. Same reason we sometimes get that "superiority complex" when talking about why we as doctors are obviously smarter than PA's. We want our investment in school and time to be known to others, and validated by others. Thats WHY were smarter. When in reality there are LOTS of PA's who would put me to shame in medical knowledge, and are smarter than me.

It's human nature to envy those who we feel have it better than us. It can be a better car, more school knowledge or more attractive looking or a cheaper version of the same laptop you bought for 2-3x the price.

Yeah Macs are nicer LOOKING for their hardware and its powerful and speed, but when compared to similar PC hardware its OVERPRICED. Its the OS that makes the difference.

[Lemacfar]

is this valueMd or pcmagforums.com

[tegraphile]

There are hackintosh's on campus, so it's relevant.

And there goes another Mac user trying to shut down any discussions on Apple that might be negative. :)

[heliochrome85]

And there goes another Mac user trying to shut down any discussions on Apple that might be negative. :)

OH SNAP

on a side note, the only thing that kept me from dualbooting OSX and Win7 on my dell, is that OSX doesnt have any drivers for my wireless card.

[slevit1]

Sorry Slevit but any mac owner will defend their 1000- 2000 laptop purchase. Especially when someone else pays $500 for a hackintosh that has 95% of the same functionality. They feel a little slighted and jealous of someone else enjoying the same experience on a cheaper budget.

We all do it. Same reason we sometimes get that "superiority complex" when talking about why we as doctors are obviously smarter than PA's. We want our investment in school and time to be known to others, and validated by others. Thats WHY were smarter. When in reality there are LOTS of PA's who would put me to shame in medical knowledge, and are smarter than me.

It's human nature to envy those who we feel have it better than us. It can be a better car, more school knowledge or more attractive looking or a cheaper version of the same laptop you bought for 2-3x the price.

Yeah Macs are nicer LOOKING for their hardware and its powerful and speed, but when compared to similar PC hardware its OVERPRICED. Its the OS that makes the difference.

I disagree completely. The hackintosh has the same OS, but does not have the same experience. The fact that macs "just work" is partially attributable to the fact that it's written for specific hardware, and thus does not ever have compatibility issues. The industry leading support is also another part of that experience, which you do not get with a hackintosh. And, I'm not just referring to the rare occasions that something goes wrong, but the more common uses of Apple Care or the genius bar where you can just call or show up at a store, and have nearly any question answered. When you buy a mac, you are not just getting a superior OS, but also usually superior hardware, design, and always superior support. Finally, most hackintoshes and computers using the Atom processor are netbooks, which typically have nowhere near the capability of any mac laptop. OS X is not designed to be run optimally on netbooks, and that's not the experience Apple wants you to have. People who don't care about having that experience get PC's, and that's all there is to it.

Oh, and I almost forgot...macs are NOT overpriced compared to PCs, but that is certainly what Microsoft would have you believe. Even though macs SHOULD cost more because of their better design, software, and OS, they are usually the same price or cheaper as a similarly spec'ed PC. People who don't bother to research anything just assume that they're more expensive, since Apple isn't in the low-end computer business.

To drpeppir: I will no longer waste my time responding to your nonsense posts.

In the end, none of this matters. OS X is made by Apple, and Apple requires that you run OS X on their hardware. If you don't want to use their hardware, for whatever reason, that's fine, but don't expect to use Apple's software either, and certainly don't expect them to support your hardware!

[slevit1]

OH SNAP

on a side note, the only thing that kept me from dualbooting OSX and Win7 on my dell, is that OSX doesnt have any drivers for my wireless card.

Or, you could go the better way and dualboot Win7 on a macbook pro. ;)

[slevit1]

We all do it. Same reason we sometimes get that "superiority complex" when talking about why we as doctors are obviously smarter than PA's. We want our investment in school and time to be known to others, and validated by others. Thats WHY were smarter. When in reality there are LOTS of PA's who would put me to shame in medical knowledge, and are smarter than me.


Your argument about PA's really have nothing to do with a computer operating system. However, I do feel a little sorry for you and all the money you've wasted in med school, if there are LOTS of PA's who have more medical knowledge than you!

[citizenimg]

Fresh virus anyone?



(Typed from my good old powerbook G4 12", no crashes or hiccups since 2004, runs like a dream.)

[Macgyver1MD]

Your argument about PA's really have nothing to do with a computer operating system. However, I do feel a little sorry for you and all the money you've wasted in med school, if there are LOTS of PA's who have more medical knowledge than you!

Whew!! Wow, sure got you fired up. Lets agree to disagre on the PC vs MAC issue. :)

As for the PA quote above, weeellll.. I feel a persons medical knowledge is based on a little more than the letters after their name. I believe their experience combined with the will to learn defines their medical knowledge, not their degree title. There are probably lots of nurses, PA's, NP's who could teach me lots and know more than I do about things. WHY?! because they probably have more experience than I do, they have read more than I did, etc.

Remember we are all life long learners and a slice of humble pie goes a long way to learning from others, even those with different letters after our name.

Can't we all just get along!? :P

[nwiedel]

It's Apple's right to insert some random code into their updates that will disable illegitimate (but otherwise perfectly functioning) hardware. Regardless, you'll just have to stick to 10.6.1, which I understand is nearly as good as 10.6.2, with minor bugs that the update addressed. Furthermore, I don't foresee this being uncracked within the month, especially as beta releases had on again off again atom support, as I understand it.

All in all, I think it makes sense for apple because those who hackintosh are less likely to purchase apple software in the first place. It's a pretty good parallel to the iphone, however. the 3GS is already jailbroken. Apple breaks the jailbreaks, and hackers have a new challenge, which they enjoy in the first place.

[slevit1]

Whew!! Wow, sure got you fired up. Lets agree to disagre on the PC vs MAC issue. :)

As for the PA quote above, weeellll.. I feel a persons medical knowledge is based on a little more than the letters after their name. I believe their experience combined with the will to learn defines their medical knowledge, not their degree title. There are probably lots of nurses, PA's, NP's who could teach me lots and know more than I do about things. WHY?! because they probably have more experience than I do, they have read more than I did, etc.

Remember we are all life long learners and a slice of humble pie goes a long way to learning from others, even those with different letters after our name.

Can't we all just get along!? :P
I don't think that you ought to know more because you have an MD after your name, but because you've gone through significantly more time and more intense training than them. They may have more experience in a particular field, but they shouldn't have more overall knowledge than you! Sure, an ER PA, who has been working in the ER for a while has probably seen a lot more and can handle most emergencies better than a first year resident. But, I would not expect them to know as much about anything outside of the ER, and I'd much rather see an experienced ER physician than an experienced ER PA (or NP). In med school, you have to learn a decent amount about everything...the other professions don't. That's what separates the doctors from everyone else. You have significantly more classroom time and by the end of residency, significantly more clinical training. I'd like to see any of them pass any of the steps.

But, yes, we can just all get along. As I've already stated, I am aware that all of the different hospital workers are important, and I have no problem learning from people who know more than me. At the moment, in certain situations, those people may be (and have been) nurses. I treat everyone I come across in the hospital with respect. And, the fact that physicians have more overall medical knowledge shouldn't interfere with that...it's just a different job and requires a greater core knowledge.

[mAtH_bLaStA]

macs are great. who doesn't like shiny things?! i like shiny things! that's why i bought a mac. isn't that why most people buy macs!? they're much shinier than PCs! once PC ups their shine game...oOooo. it's ON!

[missfab123]

yeah man I LOVE SHINY STUFF. I bought a pack of gum, but i never chewed it. I threw all the gum out and kept the shiny wrapper. ITS ON!!

[kemper6036]

is this a big deal, really?

[Slaol_121]

is this a big deal, really?

Wars throughout history have been waged over less...:samurai:

[Lemacfar]

macs are great. who doesn't like shiny things?! i like shiny things! that's why i bought a mac. isn't that why most people buy macs!? they're much shinier than PCs! once PC ups their shine game...oOooo. it's ON!

yeah we buy mac's because we don't care about reliability, user friendly GUI, or great warranty coverage.

I have yet to run into someone on campus who had to buy a new mac b/c their old one broke. Yet... from my class only I know 2 people who had PC's and had to replace them already:roll::roll:


Mac Vs. PC debates are dumb and inappropriate for this forum.


Mods please close this thread, there is no medical or AUC related information in here.

[mAtH_bLaStA]

i've been using a PC my whole life, and haven't had any problems that anyone with basic knowledge of computers would not be able to handle. i just can't endorse a company whose product, superior though it may be, is over-priced, simply because it's "shiny"...lol

[dograbbit2]

OK so PC's have a few bugs every now and then. If you have a MAC and encounter ZERO problems, how are you going to LEARN BASIC COMPUTER REPAIR? its good practice owning a PC

[mAtH_bLaStA]

...let's be completely honest. for every mac user who buys a mac because they actually know what they're talking about, i would realistically say there are 1 or more who buy it because it's a mac. they just regurgitate statistics and information that's been told to everyone. if it were a gateway that was as equally aesthetically pleasing, and purchasing some particular model was what was "in" at the time, these people would be just as enthusiastic. the only thing i can give apple props for is the iPod and the iPhone. for the cost, it performs above and beyond what is expected...although it usually takes several generations of product during which apple just repeatedly robs its customers of their money. i love it!

[Lemacfar]

OK so PC's have a few bugs every now and then. If you have a MAC and encounter ZERO problems, how are you going to LEARN BASIC COMPUTER REPAIR? its good practice owning a PC


haha, I have been a PC user since Windows 3.1. As far as Windows 7/vista vs. OSX, I respect both OS's for the product they bring to the table. I have also had a lot of experience in repairing PC's and have done a few upgrades on my MBP myself.

out of personal experience, I'm a very satisfied customer of my Mac purchase and to be quite honest the choice before coming here was a 1800 dollar Sony Laptop vs. an 1800 dollar Mac laptop. After trying both and evaluating my options (I had vista on my previous laptop/new desktop and knew well of their problems) I choose the riskier route in giving apple a chance. I honestly wouldn't have bought it if they didn't have boot camp (allowing me to fully install windows operating system on the Mac) as I was too afraid of it not performing to the level of expectation I need.

Good luck to all PC users and good luck to all Mac users. Sorry to all hackintosh fellows who can't upgrade to 10.6.2 yet as I'm sure a solution is coming

[Lemacfar]

...let's be completely honest. for every mac user who buys a mac because they actually know what they're talking about, i would realistically say there are 1 or more who buy it because it's a mac. they just regurgitate statistics and information that's been told to everyone. if it were a gateway that was as equally aesthetically pleasing, and purchasing some particular model was what was "in" at the time, these people would be just as enthusiastic. the only thing i can give apple props for is the iPod and the iPhone. for the cost, it performs above and beyond what is expected...although it usually takes several generations of product during which apple just repeatedly robs its customers of their money. i love it!

I mean that image of a ditsy 16 year old on the sweet 16 TV show or any garbage mainstream teen show will give the image that people buy macs for looks. But in reality, we are in a depression and buying expensive things to "fit in" isn't that appealing anymore. There are some who buy macs for looks, but there also some who buy Sony Vaio P's or Dell Adamo's or any other cutsie laptop there is.

I'm not even going to try to touch you apple taking generations to get things right because that will drag me into "Slevit"-mode which I honestly want no part in.

Enjoy your thread