Inconsequential Question: Too much drama among students?

[lowhighkang]

I had an older friend of mine who started SABA 2 years ago. And one thing he was real clear about discussing the school were two things:

-since there is really nothing to do-

1) Only interactions are among students

2) Everyone seems to have charged - up hormones.

Cases 1 and 2 lead to drama. Does anyone find it distracting? And how do you avoid it as to not effect your studies?

Places to avoid? Things not to do? Social gatherings not to attend? etc. etc.

[mario345]

^how to avoid drama?

be pleasant, mind your own business, dont get involved in stupid, unnecessary garbage and do not form cliques. and ohh, just focus on your work, health, and well being.

thats how you avoid drama.

[krust3]

if you got through high school, then you can get through any "drama" on Saba.

sounds like the dude you were talkin too felt left out of the action anyway....

[futureboy]

It's a fact of life -- when human beings are together, there is drama.

[darkmansaad]

yeah, just imagine your living in a small town. Also as a rule of thumb, medical students have more weirdos and less attractive people than other groups of people for the sole reason that the good looking people have realized they dont need to do all this work to get by, and the normal people have usually achieved success in some other field to date.

There are still some cool people and decent looking people ....but the ratio is shot compared to other fields of life.

[prettysmart]

yeah, just imagine your living in a small town. Also as a rule of thumb, medical students have more weirdos and less attractive people than other groups of people for the sole reason that the good looking people have realized they dont need to do all this work to get by, and the normal people have usually achieved success in some other field to date.

There are still some cool people and decent looking people ....but the ratio is shot compared to other fields of life.

Most people, especially medical students, will disagree. Doctors have been stereotyped to be more intelligent, more handsome/ pretty looking than the general public.

[mario345]

Most people, especially medical students, will disagree. Doctors have been stereotyped to be more intelligent, more handsome/ pretty looking than the general public.
i really doubt this.

i have yet to see a 'pretty' surgeon.

the attractiveness is in part due to the doctors being:
1) well mannered
2) conservative, neat, trim and professional looking
3) knowing how to deal tough situations maturely
4) a more liberal and forgiving nature

as compared to people from other professions.


the 'looks' are a very small part of being 'attractive'.

[tequila_mockingbird]

like hey high school called and they like want their drama back.

saba = drama bc the island is so small. everyone will know your business.

even if you lay low and think you have escaped the drama, it will come to bite you in a later semester.

but if u are smart and read valuemd then u know ur priority is to get off the islands with

1. the skills to pass step 1 and beyond
2. a few good friends you can shoot the breeze with in clinicals or grad because u might not see anyone during clinicals
3. use the many hills and hiking trails to get buff so that when residency interviews come 'round they will pick u bc not only did u rock step but u look finer than the other jokers who need to get on the prevention bandwagon.

[gumby]

Most people, especially medical students, will disagree. Doctors have been stereotyped to be more intelligent, more handsome/ pretty looking than the general public.

Let me help you out here by translating some words used to describe doctors.

Handsome = large bank account

Pretty = large bank account

Intelligent = grotesque, but still has a large bank account

Admittedly the being rich stereotype is not well supported anymore, but that is still the public perception. Hope this helps.

[darkmansaad]

omg did you really say doctors are attractive? have you been to a general medical ward? you must be out of your mind. Its the money, silly!

tequila mockingbird pretty much has the idea here. basically as you go through life and people age, they get fatter and less attractive. If you go through life and get an MD as you get older, you get richer and if you stay buff your relative percentile goes up as people around u are getting fatter. Therefore if you are in the top 5% of jacked guys your age at 25 you will be top 0.5% by the time your 30 cuz no one is jacked anymore. So your buff, and an MD = you will clean up. I nominate tequila mockingbird to be my replacement when i start intern year and wont be able to post much.

[tequila_mockingbird]

omg did you really say doctors are attractive? have you been to a general medical ward? you must be out of your mind. Its the money, silly!

tequila mockingbird pretty much has the idea here. basically as you go through life and people age, they get fatter and less attractive. If you go through life and get an MD as you get older, you get richer and if you stay buff your relative percentile goes up as people around u are getting fatter. Therefore if you are in the top 5% of jacked guys your age at 25 you will be top 0.5% by the time your 30 cuz no one is jacked anymore. So your buff, and an MD = you will clean up. I nominate tequila mockingbird to be my replacement when i start intern year and wont be able to post much.


thanks darkman.

I don't know if you guys have noticed but you might have the dumbest chick in the world, ok not dumbest in the world bc the chick did get into medical school....

so let's say you have a chick who is a radiology resident and ya think wow she's smart. then comes chest conference and she can't answer q's that even the newbie medic students can answer. sound fishy? shouldn't cos
1. she's an american graduate so she gets more leeway to screw up
2. she's gorgeous as heck meaning her parents are from some foreign place number 1 possibility being south america.

the moral?
being caribbean grad you can't have 1. we can't screw the heck up because we're second rate according the american system that allows us to do clinicals bc the economy sucks more than girlfriends do BUT you can be hot. and i don't mean you have to be born hot but that helps.

YOU gotta take care of yourself. ya gotta push your limits at the gym. if darkman can work out during surgery then none one and I mean none of us have a frocking excuse. we need to be buff, we need to be pretty. none of this i'm wearing scrub crap girls and guys. guys need to look hot in the scrubs and girls need to wear makeup. please don't let scrub be an excuse to look sloppy.

k, k, my rant is over.

oh and as for drama...ya think it is over in basic but it ain't

thought i was in the clear and then i realized heck no

i got drama from the american grads who though they were better me
i got drama from the DO students who thought they were the bees knees because they treated the "whole" patient and just not the symptom
i def. got drama from a lot of rossies but don't worry not all the rossies are bad. i made some good rossie pals who taught me the lay of the land.

basically u haven't seen gunner till u get to clinicals. i mean students pretending to sign out and then secretly heading back to the hospital so they can stay late and cheese up. it's a gunner's paradise out there.

whatever ya do in life. DO YOUR BEST. which means LOOK GOOD, STUDY HARD, and then when that's all said and done go party with U2 or something.

[Wh0Kares]

thanks darkman.

I don't know if you guys have noticed but you might have the dumbest chick in the world, ok not dumbest in the world bc the chick did get into medical school....

so let's say you have a chick who is a radiology resident and ya think wow she's smart. then comes chest conference and she can't answer q's that even the newbie medic students can answer. sound fishy? shouldn't cos
1. she's an american graduate so she gets more leeway to screw up
2. she's gorgeous as heck meaning her parents are from some foreign place number 1 possibility being south america.



that doesn't even make sense...no 'dumb' chick is going to get a radiology residency because no 'dumb' chick is going to have the board scores to even get an interview for it so her looks are really irrelevant.

[sgMD]

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I decided to delete my post because I thought there is no point in aruging tequilla .... lol... sorry!

[tequila_mockingbird]

you'll be surprised at who can get a residency based on 1. looks and 2. just being an american student

I know for a fact what the chick's board scores were because she showed me. they were in the high 220 range for step 1 and step 2, 228 and a 225 respectively. a carib grad couldn't even dream of getting scores like and getting rads. but she was an hot american chick so this program took her.

she must have had good recs and some research but i don't know those details.

why did she tell me her scores? cos I was defending her one day and telling people she must have had stellar scores to get into rads and finally she took me aside and told me to lay off because she was embarrassed that i was talking about her. after 9 weeks of bugging the crap out of her, she finally fessed to her board scores. yes, 228 and a 225 aren't bad...but for rads? You gotta be kidding me?!

the lesson? american grads have it easier. and 2. if you look good, it will open more doors. if there's a fat chick with a 245 and a hot, skinny chick with a 239, I think the hot chick would get the spot over the fat chick. I really do. we live in a society were first impressions count majorly. and if you don't see that then y'all are in serious denial.


that's why my goal is to get healthy. i've been lax on my first rotation, but no more. i'm going work hard and get ripped. and my inspiration is gonna be darkman all the way!

[sgMD]

you'll be surprised at who can get a residency based on 1. looks and 2. just being an american student

I know for a fact what the chick's board scores were because she showed me. they were in the high 220 range for step 1 and step 2, 228 and a 225 respectively. a carib grad couldn't even dream of getting scores like and getting rads. but she was an hot american chick so this program took her.

she must have had good recs and some research but i don't know those details.

why did she tell me her scores? cos I was defending her one day and telling people she must have had stellar scores to get into rads and finally she took me aside and told me to lay off because she was embarrassed that i was talking about her. after 9 weeks of bugging the crap out of her, she finally fessed to her board scores. yes, 228 and a 225 aren't bad...but for rads? You gotta be kidding me?!

the lesson? american grads have it easier. and 2. if you look good, it will open more doors. if there's a fat chick with a 245 and a hot, skinny chick with a 239, I think the hot chick would get the spot over the fat chick. I really do. we live in a society were first impressions count majorly. and if you don't see that then y'all are in serious denial.


that's why my goal is to get healthy. i've been lax on my first rotation, but no more. i'm going work hard and get ripped. and my inspiration is gonna be darkman all the way!


for american students to have it easier than us, well duh! why are you surprised?

and about the looks, I am not too sure what to make out of that! she probably had publications/research exp/ or good rec letters.... or maybe connection?

I've good reason to say this: program directors don't see your face/body and how hot you are before inviting you to an interview!!! there must have been something in her application besides her USMLE scores that made the director to invite her for an interview, either publcation, or rec letter or connection! (but not looks!)...





now I am done!

[PopEmUp]

the lesson? american grads have it easier. and 2. if you look good, it will open more doors.

Seems to me that currently you have both doors shut!
Now, seriously why are you posting on ValueMd about your decision on working out and getting jacked? Seems to me like a bit of SDS!

[mario345]

that's why my goal is to get healthy. i've been lax on my first rotation, but no more. i'm going work hard and get ripped. and my inspiration is gonna be darkman all the way!

you make a lot of noise for a person who has just completed his first rotation.

take it easy...dont let one experience or one perspective mold your mentality. ergo: the above said radiologist.
look around you, play the probability game. 5-10% of the residents are maybe "good looking" - the rest are your regular, average people.

i can come up with my own anecdotal stories where a PD rejected a female applicant because she wore high heels to the interview, on the basis of being superficial. there goes your "looking hot" theory out of the window.

PDs are looking for residents that are laid back, intelligent, hardworking, nice, responsible, and willing to sacrifice their time for the greater good without b******g about it later on.
they could care less what you bench because it doesnt matter how much you bench, or if you look like george clooney or his johnny depp or heidi klum; because as soon as something negative, ignorant, selfish, haughty, arrogant comes out of your mouth - you are DONE. if you cannot keep a check on yourself for those 15-20 mins you talk to them, how do you expect to maintain sanity among your fellow residents for 3-5 years?
remain humble, take things slow, dont base your whole life perspective on what one or two people say...and the rest would work out...you have just entered the REAL world and your perspective will definitely be modified.

[Wh0Kares]

you'll be surprised at who can get a residency based on 1. looks and 2. just being an american student

I know for a fact what the chick's board scores were because she showed me. they were in the high 220 range for step 1 and step 2, 228 and a 225 respectively. a carib grad couldn't even dream of getting scores like and getting rads. but she was an hot american chick so this program took her.

she must have had good recs and some research but i don't know those details.

why did she tell me her scores? cos I was defending her one day and telling people she must have had stellar scores to get into rads and finally she took me aside and told me to lay off because she was embarrassed that i was talking about her. after 9 weeks of bugging the crap out of her, she finally fessed to her board scores. yes, 228 and a 225 aren't bad...but for rads? You gotta be kidding me?!

the lesson? american grads have it easier. and 2. if you look good, it will open more doors. if there's a fat chick with a 245 and a hot, skinny chick with a 239, I think the hot chick would get the spot over the fat chick. I really do. we live in a society were first impressions count majorly. and if you don't see that then y'all are in serious denial.


that's why my goal is to get healthy. i've been lax on my first rotation, but no more. i'm going work hard and get ripped. and my inspiration is gonna be darkman all the way!

well no one is surprised why onshore people get better interviews with lower steps...but her looks had nothing to do with it because the interviewers won't see who she is until she actually shows up to the interview..which means she was invited to the interview without anyone knowing how she looked like...so again getting an interview for a good program has nothing to do with the looks

[darkmansaad]

yes, they dont see your photo until you've been invited to interview

[tequila_mockingbird]

i thought the pic was attached to the application.

my bad. y'all are right then

so her american medic status and probably her letters and probably cos she knew someone got her the invite.

her looks def. guaranteed her a spot. man this chick even looked hot in scrubs and her hair tied up. good lord, it was like hello hottie come to daddy.

interesting about the high maintenance and no acceptance after interview. i have some saba chicks that need to hear that. yah you girls look good but seriously heavy makeup and all that stuff for an am class? then of course the chicks that wore the same pants all the time and looked like hell froze over. y'all know who i am talking about ;)


anyway thanks for clarification all.

[PopEmUp]

i thought the pic was attached to the application.

my bad. y'all are right then

so her american medic status and probably her letters and probably cos she knew someone got her the invite.

her looks def. guaranteed her a spot. man this chick even looked hot in scrubs and her hair tied up. good lord, it was like hello hottie come to daddy.

interesting about the high maintenance and no acceptance after interview. i have some saba chicks that need to hear that. yah you girls look good but seriously heavy makeup and all that stuff for an am class? then of course the chicks that wore the same pants all the time and looked like hell froze over. y'all know who i am talking about ;)


anyway thanks for clarification all.

I'm not trying to pick on your posts, but seriously you are not helping me.
That comment makes you sound like a classic DB.
I could careless what someone wears or what not. Most these rotations are in community settings anyways, and emphasis is more on care than looks. I'm sorry but I would never want my gf around you, you my friend are a classic example of "hug, hang out now, Jerk thinking about you later".

[tequila_mockingbird]

you can call me a dbag if you want.

it's the setting we work in. it's a small community where you work with the same people all the time. so during lunch, breaks, ect it would just be the stuff we talked about. chicks, who is hot, what's going on with people, ect. it is hard to date when you ARE the job. with no time to do anything, we talked about co-workers ect. you may not like, and that's fine. you have a girlfriend and that's great, too. you are lucky. some of us are still looking for love.

but, when it came time to get the job done, we would. i learned so much during my medicine rotation it's not even funny.

how you look matters. first impressions count. if you smell patients are going to notice. if you wear the same pants every day, people will notice.

yes, it's about patient care. but it's also about caring about yourself. if you don't, how to do you expect anyone else to care about you?


face facts. in life you gotta be smart, good looking, ie on top of your game all the time.


remember, it doesn't matter who fast you are going if you are going in the wrong direction.


and my opinion on the matter is now closed.

[B_W_]

+1
Looks count whether you like it or not. It's a matter of personal pride IMO. Besides, if you could get the job done and look good at the same time why wouldn't you?:confused: