How many students from the Carribean actually make it into a surgical residency?

[dr.nevergiveup]

Hi,
I'm a student at MUA and was wondering if anyone knew as rough estimate or know where I could find out how many students from the Caribbean on average actually match into a surgical residency?

[wAyRadikull]

You'll have to do a bit of leg work to come up with actual numbers since there is no single document that will lay it out for you.

I would go to nrmp.org website, download the charting outcomes for 2009 and look at how many IMG's applied and matched in surgical residences. That would be your best bet. Mind you its a HUGE document. You could also go to individual Caribbean schools websites and look at their residency appointments and see how many people successfully matched.

I hope that helped.

[don1]

I would think 100% of those wanting surgery and with step score above the mean (220), with strong letters of reference, solid clinical rotation grades, applying to many programs, and those with who others would want to work with (what they are determining on the interview). It helps a lot if you have done an elective where you want to match at and they are impressed with you.

Matching to a competitive speciality or program is more about you than the school you go to.

I'm meeting students who are going on interviews right now and some are simply worried about matching somewhere in anything while others are getting prematch offers in competitive specalities that they are turning down because they want a more competitive program. Both types of students are from the same Caribbean school, the difference is in their performance and personality.

The problem with comparing and pooling Caribbean students together is that the students are diverse. Some Caribbean students are academically on par with American medical students after adjusting their study strategy in early undergrad. While others get accepted with a 2.0 average, are chronic complainers (complaining on clinical rotations is a sure way to get a poor evaluation; ie no one cares if you slept 2 hours last night because you were on call), and never really learn how to study well. The odds each of these students will match in a competitive program is very different, and should not be lumped together. The nice thing is that you can select which type of student you want to be, and consequently your chances of matching in the program you want.


Hi,
I'm a student at MUA and was wondering if anyone knew as rough estimate or know where I could find out how many students from the Caribbean on average actually match into a surgical residency?

[joe soap]

I would think 100% of those wanting surgery and with step score above the mean (220), with strong letters of reference, solid clinical rotation grades, applying to many programs, and those with who others would want to work with (what they are determining on the interview). It helps a lot if you have done an elective where you want to match at and they are impressed with you.

Matching to a competitive speciality or program is more about you than the school you go to.

I'm meeting students who are going on interviews right now and some are simply worried about matching somewhere in anything while others are getting prematch offers in competitive specalities that they are turning down because they want a more competitive program. Both types of students are from the same Caribbean school, the difference is in their performance and personality.

The problem with comparing and pooling Caribbean students together is that the students are diverse. Some Caribbean students are academically on par with American medical students after adjusting their study strategy in early undergrad. While others get accepted with a 2.0 average, are chronic complainers (complaining on clinical rotations is a sure way to get a poor evaluation; ie no one cares if you slept 2 hours last night because you were on call), and never really learn how to study well. The odds each of these students will match in a competitive program is very different, and should not be lumped together. The nice thing is that you can select which type of student you want to be, and consequently your chances of matching in the program you want.

Great post!:clapover:

[BrendaB_MD]

For categorical surgery
1060 positions filled
31 to DOs
48 to USIMGs
78 to FMGs

For prelim surgery
678 positions filled
16 to DOs
70 to USIMGs
172 to FMGs

There is no data on the number who applied. Thus, the match rate could be high or low.

[jameslynton]

Hi,
I'm a student at MUA and was wondering if anyone knew as rough estimate or know where I could find out how many students from the Caribbean on average actually match into a surgical residency?When you look at Schools that post where their students get residence like SGU, etc. You will see the numbers are pretty low for surgery. With 1060 in slots open each year and 24,000 in the match - that gives you 1,060/24,000 odds - about 4.416% chance just from the numbers. The rest is up to you to get in one of those slots.

[don1]

is that 24,000 students or 24,000 applications to programs?

When you look at Schools that post where their students get residence like SGU, etc. You will see the numbers are pretty low for surgery. With 1060 in slots open each year and 24,000 in the match - that gives you 1,060/24,000 odds - about 4.416% chance just from the numbers. The rest is up to you to get in one of those slots.

[BrendaB_MD]

The overall ratio of total number of applicants to slots is noninformative. What matters is the number of applicants per spot in a particular discipline. General surgery is one of the more competitive ones. The ratio of applicants to positions is 1.6.
reference: Charting Outcomes 2007 pp. 2
http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2007.pdf





When you look at Schools that post where their students get residence like SGU, etc. You will see the numbers are pretty low for surgery. With 1060 in slots open each year and 24,000 in the match - that gives you 1,060/24,000 odds - about 4.416% chance just from the numbers. The rest is up to you to get in one of those slots.

[don1]

Brenda, i thought general surg was the least competitive out of the surgery specalities? what is the least competitive surg specality?

The overall ratio of total number of applicants to slots is noninformative. What matters is the number of applicants per spot in a particular discipline. General surgery is one of the more competitive ones. The ratio of applicants to positions is 1.6.
reference: Charting Outcomes 2007 pp. 2
http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2007.pdf

[BrendaB_MD]

NRMP: Data and Reports (http://www.nrmp.org/data/index.html)

Brenda, i thought general surg was the least competitive out of the surgery specalities? what is the least competitive surg specality?

[jameslynton]

Brenda, i thought general surg was the least competitive out of the surgery specalities? what is the least competitive surg specality?All surgeries slots are competitive. Some more than others. Some take several years PGY to get into just to start. Even in US schools 70% of the students get primary care slots, 30% get the more competitive slots. Without blasting any island school - your chances are very low less than .05% of getting one. Also were you go does make a difference. AUC and SGU have the best luck of getting students into surgery. So if this is your hearts desire. My suggestion - get a masters and better MCAT and get in the best US school you can. Otherwise lower your expectations.

[george4520]

< .05% of Caribbean medical students get a surgical residency??? Your made up statistic is way, way off. Just think about what you said, less than 5 out of 10,000 Caribbean medical students get a surgical residency.

Go research different Caribbean medical school websites, and check their resident placement, and you will be surprised as to how many get a surgical residency. I dont know exactly how much, but I am def not going to make up a number.

Don1 advise is spoken from an adult, and should be given some thought.

[Ubuntu]

< .05% of Caribbean medical students get a surgical residency??? Your made up statistic is way, way off. Just think about what you said, less than 5 out of 10,000 Caribbean medical students get a surgical residency.

Go research different Caribbean medical school websites, and check their resident placement, and you will be surprised as to how many get a surgical residency. I dont know exactly how much, but I am def not going to make up a number.

Don1 advise is spoken from an adult, and should be given some thought.

Yes more carib grads get a surg residency than 5/10,000...however a MAJORITY of them get prelim surg spots...ie 1 and done potential. If that's your shot into surg then go for it...