What happened to the old minis?

[Junito]

I have been searching for the old minis but have not been able to find them. I should have downloaded them all when I had the chance. Does anyone have the minis for all four semesters? Can you email them to me, or can we arrange for a way to have them burned onto a CD? I have a few handy. Any help in this area will be greatly appreciated.

Juni

[MitchDC]

The old mini site on Geocities was paid for and operated by a Ross student who has moved on to his clinicals. I am assuming that it had finally been allowed to expire.

MitchDC

[spatel0434]

The old mini site on Geocities was paid for and operated by a Ross student who has moved on to his clinicals. I am assuming that it had finally been allowed to expire.

MitchDC


Seems like people still want to look at the old minis, eventhough they're now about 2 years old and most of the profs that wrote those questions are gone.

Maybe they could put the old minis on the G-drive? or

Just wondering...I have the old mini files, would it be ok to make a new website so people could download the old minis again. Or is there some kind of copyright (legal) issue against doing that?

Thanks

[MitchDC]

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[gadget]

Please do NOT post any old mini questions to this or any other forum. The reproduced old mini questions are the intellectual capital of Ross University School of Medicine. This content was obtained illegally and violates the exam confidentiality agreement to which all ROSS students are bonded. You can be expelled or worse for using or replicating this content. If this content also contains SHELF exam questions, you could be prosecuted by the USMLE. Please do not risk your future careers on some stolen test questions....

[Linus]

They are not stolen test questions and professors know that everyone uses them. Some people like to see what type of quesitons will be asked or just test there knowledge on what they have studied. No one stole them, and they do not contain USMLE or shelf questions, in fact if you go to the download section on this forum you can get the old minis and they have been there for at least 2 semesters, since that is where I originally downloaded them from.
If you need the minis go here:
http://www.valuemd.com/viewtopic.php?t=2619
click the link that says download, enter ***** as username and ***** as password, then click downloads on the left and then Ross University and you will see the old minis.


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[Neuro3]

Bah when you go to downloads it jus takes you to dead geocity page

[spatel0434]

Please do NOT post any old mini questions to this or any other forum. The reproduced old mini questions are the intellectual capital of Ross University School of Medicine. This content was obtained illegally and violates the exam confidentiality agreement to which all ROSS students are bonded. You can be expelled or worse for using or replicating this content. If this content also contains SHELF exam questions, you could be prosecuted by the USMLE. Please do not risk your future careers on some stolen test questions....

I'm not sure we're talking about the same minis? The ones I'm talking about are the same ones that have been up for years on the geocities site. These were minis from back when students received their test back. And actually, a few semesters back, that particular site had been programmed by Ross IT as a "favorite" on the library computers' web-browsers.

[obadya00]

last semester our genetics professor emailed the entire first semester class the geocities website so we all could look at the old minis
:twisted: however during the same semester the IT director told me and other student that ross considered getting the old minis cheating/unethical.

[medic105]

gadget,

You have no idea what you are talking about, where did you get this information from..... These questions were given out to the students for there own personal use. get your facts straight.

[gadget]

Please READ my post, you need to get YOUR facts straight....These old minis, whether obtained from any source, are DIRECT reproductions of actual tests. THIS IS THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OF ROSS UNIVERSITY, and as such, you need PERMISSION to reproduce this content!!!! If you would like, I can refer you to our general counsel for more explaination....

[Linus]

Here is a post that talked about the old minis last year. As you can see Dean Wagner, who was with Ross at the time, said that he encouraged people to use the old minis as a diagnostic tool. The minis in question were given back to the students after the exam. So take it up with who ever you want to, in fact it used to be listed a favorite on every profile at school up until last semester when I assume the geocities website stopped working. Also I assume that permission to use them is implied when they are returned to the student after the exam.

[bevo]

I think they stopped giving students back the old minis the semester before we started. (Jan 03?) Everyone had access to them. Professors knew about them, and some encouraged you to use them as a practice questions.

If you have a mini after they stopped returning them, then yes, its illegal to have those.


But the old minis website had an assortment of old minis from 99 to 02 and are completly legal and were provided by the University for the students use.

[FoxTrot]

Who is Gadget anyways??? From another post and his implying it in this one, he keeps referring to himself as somebody that represents Ross University. Is he the official voice of the school now?

[gadget]

however, this material is listed as copyrighted and therefore it is illegal to reproduce without permission.....

[MitchDC]

To answer your question, Yes. Upon confirmation, Gadget will be added as AN official voice of Ross University SOM in the area of Information Technology. This is not the individual that I was referring to in a previous message. However, it will be nice to have somebody here to answer questions officially for IT issues (compatability issues, wireless roll-out issues, ideal network cards, computer problems, etc).

I will make an official announcement of his status upon confirmation.

MitchDC

Who is Gadget anyways??? From another post and his implying it in this one, he keeps referring to himself as somebody that represents Ross University. Is he the official voice of the school now?

[spatel0434]

however, this material is listed as copyrighted and therefore it is illegal to reproduce without permission.....

Let me get this straight. You're saying that it is illegal to "reproduce" (i.e. print or publish on a website) the old minis without permission. So, that means anyone who has ever printed an old mini without permission has committed an illegal act. Is that correct?

Now, if someone wanted to reproduce this material, who has the power to give permission to reproduce these documents...the Dean, President or CEO of Devry, the stockholders of Devry???

[Ganja Magic]

Huber (or whoever gadget is) needs to stick with IT issues.

If it is illegal to digitally copy or physically print those old minis, the Ross legal department needs to make an announcement to the campus ASAP - otherwise you won't have any students here after you sue them all. So maybe we need another school official on here: a legal counsel? :x

I don't think there is one student on this campus who copies these freely available minis thinking that they are doing something shady. There are plenty of stolen minis and Shelves out there as it is. Anyway, after second semester these minis are rather useless.

[MitchDC]

I agree, if the University has decided that using the old minis is cheating, they need to make an announcement to that fact. As we have pointed out, most of the questions are outdated anyways so it would probably be best for them just to leave this issue alone. Lead the dead questions lie...

[LuckyLuciano]

There are a lot of rules, if in fact this is true...which I think it is not, that are broken all the time. If you really want copies...just ask around and some student is bound to have copies.

[Doc Holiday]

I'm very interested in this particular post because gadget makes a good point. At the same time, when one speaks as a school official on this post it might be helpful to let people know who we are dealing with. Perhaps it might be helpful to add a signature line or at least create a profile.

In terms of my own opinion on the old mini situation. They have been so widely used that it would be pretty hard to uphold any school policy on the matter. You find copies laying around everywhere to include the library scrap paper bins. University staff seems to make no effort to recover them when they are laying around all over the place.

[FoxTrot]

Gadget needs to stick to being a IT representative instead of trying to "uphold the law" about the old minis. That is just not his area. Maybe he misunderstood the old mini's for being recent ones that weren't supposed to have gotten out to the students. Alot of professors do recommend that you look at the old mini's so that you can test your knowledge with old exam questions. EVERYBODY knows that old "retired" exam questions are floating around and very rarely will a professor use the same question anyways. If it was such a problem, I think the executive dean would've said something about it a long time ago.

[ikep]

It is these kinds of problems that prompted me to take up on Sgu's offer and leave ross behind. this forum has been an eyeopener for me in that ross still has organizational problems such as legal issues with old minis, administration not returning your call, forms arriving late, admissions councellors reffering everything to Dr. Clutter in Miami (good luck getting in touch with him!!), problems with Dr. *********, TAs in miami.
This is how I personally see it and some of the above stuff may be just rumours or inaccurate facts but still rumours don't start out of thin air.
A few months ago I posted a question about whether people were considering ross or sgu (and i don't mean to start a fight here) but i have made my decision to go to SGU.
Good luck to all of you.

[rdecastro]

Better check on what the copyright laws are about "fair use" there, gadget. Educational purposes are fair use.

Further, the fact that they were distributed in the past into the public domain abrogates Ross' (or anyone's) ability to enforce copyright restrictions on them now.

Finally, what are the copyright laws that would apply? The ones in the US? The ones in Grenada (where, presumably, they were distributed and uploaded)? The ones of a country that the servers are located in?

[singer]

Ikep:

As a parent of Ross studetn I wish you good luck at SGU. My son also applied to SGU and actually had two interviews. They w anted some additional info so he decided he wanted to be in a Setember class and save $40,000 so he never sent the info and accepted the ROSS offer. He is doing very well and has few distractions. By having to find an apartment and other things he has grown up and has become independent.

Be assured that some of the things on the ROSS forum are thrue and some are exagggerations and some are people that like to stir things up for no reason at all. I am sure tht SGU and any Medical school in the USA has its good and bad aspects. ROSS has more students and therefore you will always have a few bad eggs or a student who shouldn't have been accepted and then flunked out.

Again good luck future doctor.