Windsor Admin

[Zooss]

hey this is just to give ppl an opporetunity to drop afew lines about their experience with the admin specially the U.S office.. I have had afew bad experiences with them mysself and I was wondering if anyone else feels the same way..

[Boognish]

Unfortunately in my experience they've been, at best, worthless.
In the unlikely event you're able to get someone on the phone long enough to ask the simple question you want answered, they usually try to pass you off to someone else.
I'm really worried because clinicals are right around the corner for me and I have a feeling that setting up decent (green) rotations is going to be like pulling teeth. There are SOOO many students in my class and the classes behind me, I haven't the slightest idea how they're going to accommodate everyone.

[McNasty]

Yes the windsor admin needs to hire more competent people, unfortunately I dont think they are so you just have to be proactive about things, dont wait for them to get things done.

[windsorMD]

i wouldn't worry too much about clinicals. they are setup by external sources not windsor admin itself. for those finishing basic sciences, write step 1 soon, pay your fees and start clinicals asap! don't worry about spots, half your class wont make it to clinicals :)

[windsorMD]

in greenbook clinicals anyways

[MDIN2009]

For the amount you pay...the admin is sufficient.

Every question you may have can be answered by the threads on this forum and vmd. Consider it your online student admin. :rolleyes:

BTW... I want to thank :hail: windsorMD, McNasty, and Boongnish for all their hard in giving back to the Windsor students. They have spent a lot of time creating thread and responding to questions...Great Job guys!

[Zooss]

For the amount you pay...the admin is sufficient.

Every question you may have can be answered by the threads on this forum and vmd. Consider it your online student admin. :rolleyes:

BTW... I want to thank :hail: windsorMD, McNasty, and Boongnish for all their hard in giving back to the Windsor students. They have spent a lot of time creating thread and responding to questions...Great Job guys!

Actually I have to disagree with that statement, Idont think the fee has anything to do with the admin, there are set pay for secretorial work in the u.s and it doesnt really change weather you work for windsor or Ross or anyother school, I think this site does help with alot of general questions but there are certain tasks and documents that needs the help of the admin
with all this said the ppl you mentioned have been a great help, I just wish the admin was more sufficient because they are the first line of contact between our school and everywhere else and they do affect our reputation as a school

[Tima]

Lonna's the worst!

[MDIN2009]

Zooss....There is no set pay for admin work in the US. (Period) Windsor hires the lowest cost...cause they want their costs low. Some other schools like ROSS pay their admin staff about 3-4 times as much as Windsor. Their cost structure is much higher and thus they have to charge more for tuition. Simple economics.... I really don't want a better staff...cause the one we have is sufficient to do the job....you just have to be flexible.

Now as far as documents are concerned...people do not plan ahead. Everyone know that the NRMS apps start going out in SEPT. But when do students start with requesting docs... a week before. With 40-50 students requesting all of sudden you get the idea. Students don't plan....

I would like the school to implement some program where they hire temp works to help with basic office work during the beginning of the semester and start of MATCH apps... That way costs are held low...

I'm sorry to say it but I don't want to pay more just because some students need their hand held...

P.S. Zooss when did you transfer from All Saints?


Actually I have to disagree with that statement, Idont think the fee has anything to do with the admin, there are set pay for secretorial work in the u.s and it doesnt really change weather you work for windsor or Ross or anyother school, I think this site does help with alot of general questions but there are certain tasks and documents that needs the help of the admin
with all this said the ppl you mentioned have been a great help, I just wish the admin was more sufficient because they are the first line of contact between our school and everywhere else and they do affect our reputation as a school

[MDIN2009]

True...but to get what you need you have make her your BFF. LOL

Lonna's the worst!

[Zooss]

I think it would be best if some of the students could work part time as admin, because they know exactly what most students want and at the same time it would earn them afew bucks and the school wouldn't have to raise tuitions, all you really need is a lab top, a cell phone, a printer and a fax machine.. and most ppl have that right there in their home...
again I have to disagree with the sufficient part, if the education is good enough then why cant the admin be the same?? then im sure we can be top 4..

[Incugirl2010]

You have to think what it feels like to work in the admin. I'm sure it's hard for them to handle everything with all the phone calls they must get.

[Allthaticanbe]

^ Actually its not a student's job to place themselves in the shoes of administration.
I don't care how many phone calls they answered that day they should have a little respect when they answer the phone. Spit the gum out and answer my questions. Hell I was asking when tuition fees are due not something that involves rocket science.

[jsb411]

I agree. A poor administration affects greatly towards incoming students, past and present. I mean, now that the donut business, film business, weston, and all these other ventures are all calling the monee office, they must be busy trying to maintain the phones and trying to figure out if their still working for the medical school or not? It is all tied back to royal medical, which is the US shell company that operates windsor. But anywho, you never get the right answers from the people in Monee. Their have no knowledge of anything going on ever and they always need to refer to mr. r-ddy. He runs the show there next to J-cob. Even if you go to the Monee office, they get mad at you and say what your doing there and etc when you are trying to get all the paperwork sorted out by their mishandling of accounting. My advice, keep every single bill and payment made to the school, make a spreadsheet and keep it for your records. Their record-keeping is not accurate and they are always looking track of things their. They need to resort to more electronic data spreadsheets instead of filling out hand written receipts. I even heard of students who kept calling and the staff members would put a complaint in their academic folder because they were finding out how much they owed? These staff members not people that are fit to work outside of Monee and should be happy that they have a job in this economy instead of mad all the time.

[Incugirl2010]

Yes, but that was not exactly what I meant. It can seem that way I guess, but a lot of the students are so incredibly rude, disrespectful, and do not follow rules, I can see how someone in administration would seem mad all the time. Look at the way a lot of these students act...wouldn't you be mad if you had to deal with that all the time? Think about it.

[Allthaticanbe]

Yeah sure I understand some people are rude and it makes their job harder. But that's exactly what it is a Job and they have the freedom as well as right to quit!

[jsb411]

Its not my problem they are no efficient enough to handle their job. They are paid for their services and we are paying tuition. If they cannot tolerate the job atmosphere, they need to quit. Not my problem, I cannot wait weeks at a time for responses, do not have time to keep bouncing from person to person on their hotline. They need to hire more people that have a communications major or specialized in management. Its horrible how they do things, especially with the record-keeping.

[Mtawfik]

Yes, but that was not exactly what I meant. It can seem that way I guess, but a lot of the students are so incredibly rude, disrespectful, and do not follow rules, I can see how someone in administration would seem mad all the time. Look at the way a lot of these students act...wouldn't you be mad if you had to deal with that all the time? Think about it.


You are absolutely right!!! When I was calling the office to get all my paperwork organized, I was extremely nice, and patient with them over the phone. I come from a school that asked $15,000 in tuition! So I knew what I was paying for. Windsor is $5,000!!! The only gripe I had was that it was hard for me to get someone on the phone, but when I did, which was within 10-20 minutes of trying, they answered all of my questions, and helped me through everything with absolutely no problems.

Keep in mind that I was POLITE, PATIENT, and COURTEOUS to them. I didn't treat them like my slaves. They are people, just like you and me, who have to deal with hundreds of calls every day. I empathize with them. You all should consider doing the same.

Maybe its a little late to be telling people to learn their manners though... So, sorry if saying things such as "thank you", and "please" is a little hard. But please try it every now and then guys.

[Mtawfik]

Yeah sure I understand some people are rude and it makes their job harder. But that's exactly what it is a Job and they have the freedom as well as right to quit!

Just because its their job doesnt mean we have the right to treat them like crap. Come on Allthaticanbe, I thought better of you.


i wouldn't worry too much about clinicals. they are setup by external sources not windsor admin itself. for those finishing basic sciences, write step 1 soon, pay your fees and start clinicals asap! don't worry about spots, half your class wont make it to clinicals :)


That is awesome! Thanks for the info WindsorMD, that really is a load off my chest. I am only in MD4, but I was getting a little worried about rotations. You put some of my worries to rest!

[Allthaticanbe]

Firstly just because other students treat the staff rude doesn't mean they have the right to treat me poorly.

Secondly I think this is an easy fix for administration. I'm not surprised that they are very busy but if they sent out an acceptance package like loads of schools, they would not have this problem. And their email doesn't count as it does not provide proper dates for things such as tuition fee deadline.

[From NJ]

This school will never improve, never. The owner, founder, president (Dr. G...), etc., is from a backward village in Andhra Pradesh, India. Corruption is an integral part of that area (in fact, most of India) and they have figured out in a hurry that the same type of corruption can be done in the USA and one can get away using smart attorneys.

Such individuals become top experts in using the system and liberal laws of a democratic country like USA. Their mentality will never change, never.

India does have a lot of honest people too and they refrain from getting into such activities.

What can be done? Spend little more money and go to some other better schools that are primarily run by Americans as administrators.

It is very sad. But there is no chance that these people (the owner and his relatives from his village) will change. They don't have to. "Habit is second nature", there is no way they can improve. I am sorry to post bad news. I have been carefully monitoring this school from last more than one year and reviewed the history of this school from inception. There were red flags all over.

Very few students manage to get through and that they do on their own.
If you don't believe me, then monitor this school on daily basis. I do on weekly, if not daily. Six months or sixteen months from now, you will have the same problems that you have now and they are major problems. Sorry folks. I feel bad for unsuspecting students, their parents, and their loved ones. They may be losing a lot of money and time in addition to disappointments.

I will take the criticism if it comes as a result of this post. I just had to post what I observed and also compared it with other schools that pertain to somewhat same size, category, etc. More importantly, whatever I am posting has already been posted by several other students from this school based on their first hand experience dealing with the administration. I also dealt with them for a short time and quickly moved on to better school and did not send them the $500 they wanted as seat deposit. Even their official letter were full of errors.

[Mtawfik]

This school will never improve, never. The owner, founder, president (Dr. G...), etc., is from a backward village in Andhra Pradesh, India. Corruption is an integral part of that area (in fact, most of India) and they have figured out in a hurry that the same type of corruption can be done in the USA and one can get away using smart attorneys.

Such individuals become top experts in using the system and liberal laws of a democratic country like USA. Their mentality will never change, never.

India does have a lot of honest people too and they refrain from getting into such activities.

What can be done? Spend little more money and go to some other better schools that are primarily run by Americans as administrators.

It is very sad. But there is no chance that these people (the owner and his relatives from his village) will change. They don't have to. "Habit is second nature", there is no way they can improve. I am sorry to post bad news. I have been carefully monitoring this school from last more than one year and reviewed the history of this school from inception. There were red flags all over.

Very few students manage to get through and that they do on their own.
If you don't believe me, then monitor this school on daily basis. I do on weekly, if not daily. Six months or sixteen months from now, you will have the same problems that you have now and they are major problems. Sorry folks. I feel bad for unsuspecting students, their parents, and their loved ones. They may be losing a lot of money and time in addition to disappointments.

I will take the criticism if it comes as a result of this post. I just had to post what I observed and also compared it with other schools that pertain to somewhat same size, category, etc. More importantly, whatever I am posting has already been posted by several other students from this school based on their first hand experience dealing with the administration. I also dealt with them for a short time and quickly moved on to better school and did not send them the $500 they wanted as seat deposit. Even their official letter were full of errors.

1. All stereotypes. You dont even know the administration personally.
2. You are not part of the school.
3. Very few students have the motivation to "make it". Its not the schools fault, they do what they can.
4. Ive been here probably longer than you have, and I am fine with what we pay for here.

[From NJ]

Thank you. I accept your disagreement. You and I will both monitor this school for the next at least two years. I hope they improve, although the chances are very very low (almost 0) as long as these folks are owners. I know such folks and I deal with them on regular basis. By the way, I did not post any thing new, your own students have been posting similar observations since the inception of this school. Why am I concerned? This school makes look all other carib schools bad.

[Mtawfik]

I dont feel that I owe you a reply, since you dont even attend Windsor. You read rumors, and assume they are true. You dont even know the owners, or what actually goes on at this school.


Everything you are saying is based on assumptions.

[ashah0224]

I dont feel that I owe you a reply, since you dont even attend Windsor. You read rumors, and assume they are true. You dont even know the owners, or what actually goes on at this school.


Everything you are saying is based on assumptions.

Umm... the fact that you posted is a reply ... o.O ...

Some things are rumors, and your 4 points are absolutely correct. I fully agree.

But this person's point that the school will never change is true.

Each student, individually, has to make an effort to improve him or her self. The fact that a majority of the students would rather gossip and relax than study harder and more effectively than others just to be competitive and get good marks ... well, thats what hurts students.

Regardless - to have a shot for good residencies, to have a good reputation amonst caribs and compete with the top 4 schools, to improve the quality of education and make things easier for BOTH admin and students - the admin has to improve.

As you say - you get what you pay for - in this case, a sheet that lets you write your boards, rotation spots that may or may not be guaranteed, and ideally the opportunity to practice as a physician - be it a family medicine physician.

I would think the goal of the school should be to improve that - but I guess not from the way things are looking.

[jsb411]

I agree with from NJ, more than 80 percent of the issues are true. Why is their an current issues thread? I've had tons of students PM and spoke the honest truth about this school. The issues are there, but nothing gets done. I would not be surprised if the school gets shutdown in the next few years because actually they have some big accusations going on in the island now with the government there. That is why it is important to have official school documents of your grades, not by a 3 X 5 piece of paper. None of the students here look at the big picture, and hopefully it changes soon before some drastic measures are taking by the department of ministry in st kitts.

[MDIN2009]

The real big picture!

Nothing is going to happen with the govt of st.kitts. They will let any school open up as long as they have the cash. Did you know that there are 6 medical school on the island of st.Kitts. And one is even an internet medical school...lol Its all about money...St.Kitts is a poor island between the cruse ships and medical schools this is all the economy they have. Windsor surprisingly is the largest medical school on the island and they will do what ever it takes to keep it going.

Speaking of schools getting shut down the much sensationalized St.Christopher is still around. LOL

I agree with from NJ, more than 80 percent of the issues are true. Why is their an current issues thread? I've had tons of students PM and spoke the honest truth about this school. The issues are there, but nothing gets done. I would not be surprised if the school gets shutdown in the next few years because actually they have some big accusations going on in the island now with the government there. That is why it is important to have official school documents of your grades, not by a 3 X 5 piece of paper. None of the students here look at the big picture, and hopefully it changes soon before some drastic measures are taking by the department of ministry in st kitts.

[jsb411]

The real big picture!

Nothing is going to happen with the govt of st.kitts. They will let any school open up as long as they have the cash. Did you know that there are 6 medical school on the island of st.Kitts. And one is even an internet medical school...lol Its all about money...St.Kitts is a poor island between the cruse ships and medical schools this is all the economy they have. Windsor surprisingly is the largest medical school on the island and they will do what ever it takes to keep it going.

Speaking of schools getting shut down the much sensationalized St.Christopher is still around. LOL

I've heard different recently, st kitts may be poor, but ross pumps in a lot of money towards the island and so does the nursing school. Lets see how things plays out soon. Their was recently some big accusations towards the school from the government of st kitts, so lets see what pans out. st chris is still around, the main issue with st chris was they had two campus, but they worked on one charter. The other school was shutdown because it wasn't recognized on its own as its own entity.

[MDIN2009]

Well there is Ross the nursing school run by Devry and the UHMS (two different owners.) With 1000 students we still pump more money into the island than both combined.

St. Chris is indicative of the hysteria that a rumors start... all this crying is getting retarded.

We should change your name to Gossip JSB or TMZJSB....


I've heard different recently,

[Mtawfik]

I've heard different recently, st kitts may be poor, but ross pumps in a lot of money towards the island and so does the nursing school. Lets see how things plays out soon. Their was recently some big accusations towards the school from the government of st kitts, so lets see what pans out. st chris is still around, the main issue with st chris was they had two campus, but they worked on one charter. The other school was shutdown because it wasn't recognized on its own as its own entity.


Can you even give us a shred of evidence to support your theory?

Windsor doesnt have to actively pump any money into the country. The school already provides jobs. The students rent apartments, and eat at their restaurants. We all pay for their airport fees, not to mention the wretched taxi drivers who not only overcharge to begin with, but continue to rip people off. They make a LOT of money off of us. Im willing to bet its in the hundreds of thousands to even million every year, between all of our students.

[MDIN2009]

There is no evidence... it's like the culture in America now days...rumors...tmz...gossip and ** like that.

Read the posts in the Tampa article...fools are singing a petition from 2006...reposing the article in other forums and make a ruckus. People are bored dont have anything better to do now day.

Can you even give us a shred of evidence to support your theory?

Windsor doesnt have to actively pump any money into the country. The school already provides jobs. The students rent apartments, and eat at their restaurants. We all pay for their airport fees. They make a LOT of money off of us. Im willing to bet its in the hundreds of thousands to even million every year, between all of our students.

[Allthaticanbe]

Many of the West Indian islands are in TONs of debt. They were in debt before the economy turned and now they are facing more problems. Most of these island use tourism to bring in money. Several relay on not only tourism but their exports such as coffee and sugar canes and etc. I believe it was St. Kitts just shut down their sugar cane factory a few years ago, which before was a large export for them.
The money that these countries are making from these private medical schools are ridiculous.

[Mtawfik]

Many of the West Indian islands are in TONs of debt. They were in debt before the economy turned and now they are facing more problems. Most of these island use tourism to bring in money. Several relay on not only tourism but their exports such as coffee and sugar canes and etc. I believe it was St. Kitts just shut down their sugar cane factory a few years ago, which before was a large export for them.
The money that these countries are making from these private medical schools are ridiculous.


Actually you are right.

Me and my friends just did the calculations. If every student living here, is trying to be cheap, and spending as little as possible, they will be spending just a little under 3,000 dollars for the 4 months. Thats almost 3 MILLION dollars every semester from windsor students alone.

Shut down windsor, and there goes 9 million dollars of St. Kitts steady income. They need us. This country is poor, and would be hurting even more without us.

[MDIN2009]

@From_NJ don't you go to St Eustatius?

The students who are succeeding, doing rotations, passing boards, and looking forward to residencies will make sure that USESOM continues to succeed. When facing determined students, the negative posters will go away (just like all previous negative posters went away).

Negative posters are failures (it is evident from their previous posts). They have absolutely no credibility. It has been proven again and again.

USESOM will continue to succeed. Review the whole history of this med school and see the success potential.

[Future Dr.Dewar]

Actually i think Windsor has improved a lot since i was in MD 4... You should have seen our campus at Birdrock.... The facilities,transportation and housing has improved so much...there are more people on the admin now and they are atleast trying to set up a student body.... there are more residents now and more students passing USMLE....You have a physiology lab along with the suturing class or something on that line that was held last semester... The school is changing but at a very slow pace... They need to speed up the process...

[ashah0224]

Hello. if you dont mind me askin how long ago was it when you were MD-4 and if so are u in clinical rotations or have you graduated and are now a resident or practicing physician. And also assuming u did everything on time like passing steps are graduating in 4 years here or longer. Thanks

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[Pnakhla]

Hello. if you dont mind me askin how long ago was it when you were MD-4 and if so are u in clinical rotations or have you graduated and are now a resident or practicing physician. And also assuming u did everything on time like passing steps are graduating in 4 years here or longer. Thanks

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[jd.84]

Ok, so I haven't posted on this forum in a long time, but I ventured here a couple of days ago, and decided to post. The administration isn't perfect, but for the money we're paying, we can't expect to be treated like US medical students. If you're patient, everything you need to get done will get done eventually. Dr. G. has hired some new people in the US office. There is a new lady in accounting (thank goodness!). I had some issues regarding my account. I tried to get them cleared up for months before, and nothing happened. With this new lady, I got everything cleared up in LESS than a week. Also, there's a new woman (C****e). She deals with registration for the USMLE. I sent her my paperwork, she got everything mailed out to ECFMG the NEXT day AND she overnighted it and gave me a tracking number. The point is, the school is listening to us. If you are having trouble with admin, if you complain enough, Dr. G. will do something about it. Now, I'm currently studying for step one (writing it next month AHHH), and I've called L***a a couple of times, and while she's always sounded rushed on the phone, she always has answered my questions and because I'm always nice to her, she doesn't give me attitude.

[MDIN2009]

Thanks for the post about your experience. The admin is a lot better then before...and still much needs to be improved. But, its a step in the right direction.

Ok, so I haven't posted on this forum in a long time, but I ventured here a couple of days ago, and decided to post. The administration isn't perfect, but for the money we're paying, we can't expect to be treated like US medical students. If you're patient, everything you need to get done will get done eventually. Dr. G. has hired some new people in the US office. There is a new lady in accounting (thank goodness!). I had some issues regarding my account. I tried to get them cleared up for months before, and nothing happened. With this new lady, I got everything cleared up in LESS than a week. Also, there's a new woman (C****e). She deals with registration for the USMLE. I sent her my paperwork, she got everything mailed out to ECFMG the NEXT day AND she overnighted it and gave me a tracking number. The point is, the school is listening to us. If you are having trouble with admin, if you complain enough, Dr. G. will do something about it. Now, I'm currently studying for step one (writing it next month AHHH), and I've called L***a a couple of times, and while she's always sounded rushed on the phone, she always has answered my questions and because I'm always nice to her, she doesn't give me attitude.