MEDICAL COLLEGES IN PAKISTAN

[smart99]

:p :p THAKS ALOT FOR UR REPLY SARA...I WILL TRY CONTACT THE ECONOMIC AFFAIRS....IN ISLAMABAD.....:(
THE POINT IA M TRANSFER STUDENT......I DONT WHY PAKISTAN MEDICAL DENTAL COUNCIL NOT ACCEPTING MY TRANSFER,IF THERE ARE MEDICAL SCHOOLS ACCPTING MY TRANSFER...IF IAM NOT PAKISTANI CITIZEN...I WILL GO WORK BACKHOME...I DONT KNOW WHY ALL THIS COMPLICATED ISSUES HERE...
ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO KNWO MORE .FROM OTHERS..IF I HAVE GRADUATED FROM ANY PAKISTAN MEDCIAL SCHOOL WIOTHOUT REGESTARTIONJ?DOES IT EFFECT MY ELLIGIBILYT FOR GETTING WORK ANY WHERE ELSE???
WAITNG A REPLY:confused:

[~!llu$ion~]

assalamoalaikum ppl!!
errr... well 4 the 1st time....i don xactly know what to say..
well.....i just want a few queries answered......can i ask here??
its all about medical in pakistan..hope u guys can solve some ambiguities if im allowed to ask em here....dont wanna disturb the current flow of the thread:D.....only ill ask if um allowed.:)
tc
Allah hafiz

[Smeer]

Salam everyone!!

smart99: You've got a tough question there smart99, and unfortanately, I don't think anyone on this thread can answer it with 100% certainty. You should definitely contact the Pakistan Board of Education or the Board of Education or Medical College Board of the country in which you wish to practice to get a truly accurate and correct answer, because it's very hard to get precise details on such a delicate matter from people who haven't been in the same position as you. Nonetheless, I'll do the best to get you a better answer.

~!llu$ion~: Feel free to ask anything! All questions/comments/concerns are welcome so long as they're presented in a civilized and appropriate manner. I don't think that should be a problem for you ;).

Thx again to everyone who's helpin to keep this thread alive :D

[fuzpot]

Are there any pakisani med colleges- that do not need the IBCC- im a UK BSc grad, with no physics.

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Sorry fuzpot, none that I know of. Your best bet would be to try and contact some private colleges in Pakistan, as they are more flexible than most (I should say all, but, just to be safe, I'll say most ;) ) government colleges.

[itihad]

Are there any pakisani med colleges- that do not need the IBCC- im a UK BSc grad, with no physics.

as far as i know there aren't any, but as smeer said u could ask private medical colleges, but most seem to require.

or what you could try to do, is quickly take physics this year in Pak, and then apply for IBCC certificate if u wanted to apply this year.

[itihad]

assalamoalaikum ppl!!
errr... well 4 the 1st time....i don xactly know what to say..
well.....i just want a few queries answered......can i ask here??
its all about medical in pakistan..hope u guys can solve some ambiguities if im allowed to ask em here....dont wanna disturb the current flow of the thread:D.....only ill ask if um allowed.:)
tc
Allah hafiz


walaikum salam

yes you can ask here!

[ms0711]

salaam everyone..
well..ive got a few questions..and i would really like them answered..i tried to contact AKU through their website..i even sent them a rigorous email of all my questions..and they have not replied..its been..like a month..i feel that is very not proffesional..well anyways..i want to apply to AKU..and all i want to know is that..how high is the chance for an american student to get in to AKU??oh..and also..how many seats are available for foreign students..and how many for actual pakistani residents??

thanks..
mariea

[sine240]

hey dont expect a reply from AKU..i have myself mailed a m illion times and no reply..no hoopess..its the pakistani style...trying to think thye r so buzy and all..its not like we come in to th euni for free..foreigners pay like $20,000 per year, and these aku people still act paranoid...

well its not just aku, but all the med schools in pk..so its best to not even bother them and waste ur time...

i m just being realistic

[Worrieddoc2be]

Salam everyone,
Does anyone know the deadline of application for this year YET??
Pleaze SHARE!!!

THANX

AHSAN

[sweetbee]

:)
hello everyone,
i wanna know that do u people know something about private med schools. Like is it ok to study at private schools.
I'm out of Pak, but I wish to study there but I haven't done FSc according to their system. So the option is Private school. So if anyone can give me some useful info about schools, before I waste time or money.
Thanks

[ms0711]

well..the deadline has already passed..it was march..for the august inauguration..

and yeah..i have done alot of research on med schools in pakistan..i know its $20,000 yearly..and i just need a reply..for my questions!well..i think i should just find another site for the email addresses..may be the right address this time..well..thanks..oh..and how is baqai medical college? ive heard that it is not verified..or linked with johns hopkins in maryland..also..any ideas on what other medical schools are top of the charts? i am freakishly interested in going to pakistan for medical school..anybody know of any organizations that give scholarship funds to students going abroad? or AKU specifically? well..i think this is a little too much to ask for..but it ll really help if i can get some information..some worthy information..it takes ages to get replies from universities..i think its partially because they dont really have a good internet system..but its AKU..and i expect alot more..i know its opinionated..but im sure this is the opinion of many..


thanks..

[sara00]

hey salam,

smart99: which private school did u apply to? maybe its not recognized that can be the reason why they dont recognize u...dont know why they giving this problem, cuz da college that I'm in... there are gurls from around the world who are not pakistani I have have friends from middle east, south asia, europe... even africa! fatimah jinnah is full with forgeiners, and sum cant speak urdu which makes it a little harder for them.

fuzpot: yaar, ALL med school in pak require IBCC mark conversion! I told u to take phy...abi bi lay lo yaar...

Regarding AKU, the reason they are not replying to ur email is cuz the deadline for this is has past, infact me and eagle we both applied for this year and at time of admission deadline they reply to ur every single e-mail I remeber I emailed them 5x and got answer to my every question! if ur intersted in aga u can apply next year near feb!

Worrid2bedoc: I think the deadline is end of aug...not sure...go ask the pak embassy in toronto...and get ur application too...cuz end of june do send in ur marks for conversion...also regarding summer school...u need to ask ur school to uptade ur transcript..and that will sum time and ur conversion will be delayed...trust me u dont make da same mistakes I made...better send what u ave now...

sine: my IBCC marks were 803! actually what happen was my marks converted late as a result my name appeared in the 2nd list...not first...and then sum miracle happened that a gurl didnt join fatimah jinnah as a result they gave me the seat cuz I told them I wanted in punjab before they gave me in Sindh! but the marks that I had...no way I was able to get into any lahore med school...it was sum huge miracle...cuz gurls down here all have their IBCC marks over 870!

Now regarding fj.... its sooo hard down here! we have vivas (oral test) like every week and written test are sooo hard too...they are all eassay type questiions...so hard to pass them! In first year u'll take anatomy, physio, biochem, embryology, islamiat and histology. Basically in the morning u have tutorials or practicals and later on u have lectures one hour long and in the end we all go to dissection hall for 2 hours and play with dead bodies! ;) During lectures, prof love to embarass students they like to pick on students and ask them about previos lec, and if u dont know either they kick u out of the lec or u become absent on ur attendence sheet! hehe... at first I used to get worry but now its all cool for me...and in labs... they make u write the entier lab and u play with strong acids with ur bear hands...no safety...u have to look out for ur self...
in general, its a huge change for forgeiners....but I guess we get use to it after our first year....

SO all u guys interested in pak med school... be ready to face surprises and many down sides... other than its all good here... the best thing about fj is their transportation...they have good busing system...and hostels...they are okay... old... and food not good but u can order out...I'm staying with my aunt cuz I cant stay in hostel...I get depressed... and on top of that food and evironment all affects so thats why staying at home.

I have sooooo many friends even sum seniors too they are guide me and help me out sooo much otherwise I would have been soo lost cuz the education level of Canada is sooo different than pakistan... kids down in pak are soooo smart and fast and grrreat at memo stuff.... sumtimes I get confused but allhamdulilah all my friends help me out and I'm surviving...:)

Sara

[smart99]

sara:thanx alot for ur reply and help :( .i dont rally if necessary to get PMDC permission as i am transfer student from other europian country medical school,the point the PMDC dont accept this transfer or migration? my embassy they told me if i get aletter from te ministry of health and high education ministry in islamabad..you can join the university ..but the point is is this really will not cause any problm after graduation....
i got the admisson actually in BAQAI medical university and they accept my transfer.........i dont know really if it is a good medical school and how the situation there...so if you can suppply with information regarding it is quality of study and what i ahve mentioned previously..do you think is better to go and start study in baqai or better i search for other medical school in europe :confused: really the time is running out and i dont know what to do..
waitng ur reply and other reply from other freinds >

[sine240]

sara, tell me all u know about Dow medical ..what IBCC marks are requireed to get in...etc..etc..

[ranahaseeb]

please tell me about star academy in lahore and also plz tell me about there phone number plzz waiting 4 u r reply

[crew]

[quote=doc74]AGHA KHAN MEDICAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
ALLAMA IQBAL MEDICAL COLLEGE ,LAHORE
BAQAI MEDICAL UNIVERSITY ,KARACHI
BOLAN MEDICAL COLLEGE,QUETTA
CHANDKA MEDICAL COLLEGE
DOW MEDICAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
FATIMA JINNAH MEDICAL COLLEGE ,LAHORE
KING EDWARD MEDICAL COLLEGE ,LAHORE
KARACHI MEDICAL & DENTAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
kHYBER MEDICAL COLLEGE ,PESHAWAR
LIAQAT MEDICAL UNIVERSITY,JAMSHORO
NISHTAR MEDICAL COLLEGE ,MULTAN
PEOPLES MEDICAL COLLEGE ,NAWABSHAH
PUNJAB MEDICAL COLLEGE ,FAISAL ABAD
QUAIDE AZAM MEDICAL COLLEGE ,BAHAWALPUR
RAWALPINDI MEDICAL COLLEGE
SIND MEDICAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
ZIAUUDDIN MEDICAL UNIVERSITY
u missed ARMY MEDICAL COLLEGE:rolleyes:

[eagle]

Salaam and Hello everyone!

Just wanted to put a comment into this discussion. For Canadians who think that becoming a doctor in Pakistan will help you out in Canada. Forget it. You will be able to work in the US. However, the Canadian government does not have a plan that allows foreigners to practice medicine here with foreign diplomas. It's like a lottery system, one in a million gets the chance. All you'll become is a technician, i.e. performing X-rays etc..

I've also heard that the UK is starting to limit the amount of foreign doctors.

Best of luck in your dreams and goals.

Eagle

(P.S.: Hey Sara, thanks for the e-mail, I'll reply soon)

[Irum Khawaja]

Hey Sarah! are u from a canadian schoo? And what subjects did they use for conversion? Also what was your original GPA. My GPA is 3.7, do u think i have a chance?

[Irum Khawaja]

nevermind the Canada question! i just read that you are from canada. then i guess you just got 10% off, still i do wanna know your GPA, from AOA Sara! my GPA i don't think i have a chance, but the thing is i am in Vietnam and the american international school is harder than most schools in America, atleast that's what all Americans who come here say. Anyways i am really worried, cause my parents cannot afford to pay for education in foreign countries, it's not even close to possible. So ya the GPA info will be great help and also the subjects that they used for conversion.

[Smeer]

Salam everyone!

Since no one's posted for a while, I thought I might throw out a question to get things rolling again hopefully. Anyone take SAT II's this passed May or June?

I took Physics, Chem, and Math IIC (even tho you don't need math for med. colleges in Pak.). Physics wasn't too hard, but I ran way short on time (I had to leave the last 11 blank!!!). I thought chem was really easy, and there was plenty of time to finish. Math wasn't too hard either, I just hadn't practiced it so I ran short on time and had to leave the last 4 blank.

What did you guys think? (if you took em)

[sgulab]

u hafta take SAT II's 4 pak med school? aww geez u have got to be kidding me.. im trying my best to get away from the most tests that i can..? i took the regular SATs thats about it...

[Smeer]

Hey salam everyone!

Sorry for the confusion, sgulab! You don't have to take the SAT II's if you're applying to the government colleges in Punjab. You do need them for all private colleges you're going to be applying to.

Didn't mean to confuse you, sorry!

[Docpk]

I finished my 10 grade skiping 11 and going in to 12 grade in sep 2006.
is there any problem with this getting in MED skool in pk.

[Docpk]

Sana: oversea is when u carry pak identity with u like pak pass port or pak NIC and the advantage with this is that if u have really high marks, over 90% then u have chances of getting under technical assistance which means u only pay in pak rupees as a local Pakistani ..and to apply as a foreinger is when u don’t have ANY pak identity…so even if u have high marks u cant get under technical assistance …they will put u under self finance…by the way there are only about 16 technical assistance seat for overseas in Pakistan and about 63 for self finance! That’s why its soo hard to get into government med schools!
heY SARA00,
I have PAK NIC but born here in texas and i do have high mark 100% in 10 grade and hoping to get same in 12 grade, btw i took all my 11 grade subject in summer and in betwin. do you think that i might pay in pak rupees
if you or any one please reply.
Thanks

[DGutier153]

Do any of the Pakistani medical schools offer a distance learning option?

[xxSADAFxx]

DOCPK,

Im sure it's ok to skip a grade but I think you have to have 4 english credit...so i don't know if you will have those 4 credits upon graduating?
Also you must have chem. phy, and Bio...MUST MUST MUST no way of getting in with out them and if you have a 100% 4.3 gpa u should have no problem in getting into a pak med school


sadaf

[xxSADAFxx]

Do any of the Pakistani medical schools offer a distance learning option?

Def never heard of anything...

[xxSADAFxx]

Is it tough to get into KEMC, AIMC, FJMC and the one privat college i wana apply to is LMDC??? Being in the US i don't know were I stand some people are like its a breeze to get in others are like its soooooooooo difficult! When I was lookin at exam grades for some med colleges in pak med the highest scores were in the 80's....considering here it is so common to scores 100's so i think even w/the IBCC equ...would'nt our grades still stay pretty high as a comparson to PAk?? I'm going to be a senior in september im going to applyto a med school 2007 june what should i do to prepare?

plzzz anybody help!!!!

[Docpk]

Thanks!
I'm sure I will have my chem, physics and bio, sorry when I said 100% I meant 3.9 GPA and I hope will keep it. I will be visiting pakistan in December and will try to get more info how I can be treated as local Pakistani.
docpk
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[Aquresh]

Hi guys. I have been reading on this forum and found it very helpful. I came in USA and was admitted to 10 grade. They transfer my chemistry, Biology and Physics grades from my metric results and told me that i don't have to take them. But i did take Biology .I have a 3.7 GPA. But i am not sure how IBCC would convert my grades.Please reply.

[xxSADAFxx]

i think they take off 10% of your grade...wait so you came from pak and now ur going back?? why did'nt you just finsh school there?

[Keats]

Salaamz,

I am planning to attend Agha Khan, I was just wondering if it is possible to take USMLE part 1 right after two years of schooling? I was wondering if the curriculum doesn't prepare you in two years for the subjects included in USMLE part 1.

Thanks

[Smeer]

Salam eveyone!
Glad to see the thread is back in action!

xxSADAFxx: You're correct; our grades are "higher" than normal Pak. scores. The reason is that it's much easier here. The way the IBCC fixes that is by taking 10% off of your marks if you are from the U.K. or Canadian, or follow any other system in which there is an external system of examination (i.e. board exams). If you are from the U.S., they deduct 20%. Now no one knows for sure how exactly gpa factors in, and how they award points on GPA, the formula is on the IBCC website. They mainly focus on your chem, bio, physics, and english grades.

Docpk: You can't say anything for certain; for tech. assistance you need REALLY high grades. Since your GPA is pretty high, you'll probably at least make it into self-finance. Again, only Allah SWT knows...so whatever I or anyone else tells you is only a guess.

Keats: From what I've heard, they say that after 3rd year you've learned everything necessary for the USMLE. However, I've also heard that you should wait until the full 5 years to take the USMLE. I think it's a matter of opinion of whether you're ready or not, but I haven't heard of people taking it after 2nd year.

[xxSADAFxx]

thanks smeer,

but i can't believe the deduct 20%...OMG thats way to much!! So like if you average is a 90% you come down to 70%...what r the chances of getting in then? thats way to comptetive!uhhh...so smeer when r u planing on applying to med school in Pak?? and r u the same smeer on med studentz?

*also dose anybody have any idea on which area of pakistan is harder to get into lahore,karchi,islamabad???
Is allam iqbal med school...hard to get into??

[Smeer]

Salam everyone!

Sadaf, I'd have to agree w/you. 20% is a lot, but I guess it's the price we pay for our easier American education ;) . Yes you still have a chance of making it if you're grades are good, as they have seats set aside for foreign students, so everyone in that category has a certain disadvantage. Yes I'm the same Smeer on ***********, and I'll be applying June of 2007 (finally done w/junior year of high school yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!).

Lahore colleges are definitely the hardest to get into, and yes that include AIMC, KE, Lahore Medical and Dental, and Fatimal Jinnah. Everyone wants to go there because they're well known and in a big/well-known city.

[xxSADAFxx]

Hey Smeer im inthe samed boat ur in im gona apply summer 0f 2007 too!!
Its sad to know that lahore is very competetive...but everybody is always talking about AGU or DOW so i thought those would be more popular!! But lahore medical and den is private so I don't think its that hard to get into and its a nice back up if u want to study in lahore...I wish i new what type of grades Americans had to get in...that would be soooo helpful...Sooo smeer whats ur process of applying when r u gona start??? well atleast we have about a year to plan unlike those who r applying right now...

[sajimar25]

This has been bothering me.... because don't official transcripts just say "A" or "B", etc.? So when you send it to IBCC do they just asume you have a 100- cut off 20% - and leave you with an 80%?

Or do they assume an "A" is a 90-cut 20%- and leave you with a 70% ??

Because how do they choose among all the straight A students, if the transcript don't show the percentage. Depending on if one person has uppper-90's and another has mostly lower 90's; then that is the only way IBCC could say, " OK, choose this person w. the higher grades over the other"

I'd really like to know. Because in that case you would either have to just make sure you make all A's OOR you have to study your butt off even more to get 100% A's!!!

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Well sajimar25, all I have to say to you is, welcome to the world of Pakistan, where nothing makes sense, and you don't even know if it'll all work out in the end!

Hahaha, just thought I'd add a little comic relief in there.

You're right. It does not make a whole lot of sense. Unfortunately, no one but the IBCC can answer your questions. While on one hand it may seem like it's all organized, there are an amazing number of loop holes, piled on top w/inefficiency, which makes the whole process a bit shady. You need a lot of patience. It's not anywhere near as easy as applying to colleges and schools in the U.S. A lot of times, you don't even get straight answers. All that I can tell you for sure is this: whatever the process is, to the best of my knowledge, it's fair. At first I had the same questions as you, like how the heck does anyone make it, if after a 20% cut off from a 90%, the best you can have is a 70%? I realized something tho. It's beyond our comprehension lol. There's a lot that goes on ''behind the scenes'' that me and you don't know about, and until someone decides to speak up we won't know about. What I do know is that the process is fair because a lot of people in the past have complained, and filed complaints in courts, so it's more fair than a lot of other institutions/processes in the country. If anyone has any other info, feel free to let me in!

After all that crap, all I have to say is, do your best. Get as many A's as you can in as many AP/honors classes that you can, but don't do those AP's or honors if you can't make good grades in em. The main focus is getting the best grades you can, and if you're already doin good, try getting A's in those harder classes.

and take bio, physics, chem, and english

xxSADAFxx: We are in the same boat! I'm prolly gona start the app. process late june/early july when the last of my ap results come in senior year...not quite sure yet gotta ask around and see when the best time is, cuz july may get kind of late

[xxSADAFxx]

Everybody says that if you have connections you can get into any college! Do you guys thinks thats possible??? I have so many relatives that are docters in pakistan who have attended FJMC,KE and LUMS do u guys think that they can be of some help to me.

ALso which is best way to go...personally goin to the IBCC office in lahore or mailing it to them cuz im gona go to Pakistan must JUNE 2007...so wouldnt it be bettere if I go myself??? or not???

*Im hoping by next year they decrerase the % they take off of americans grades thats way toooo muchhhh!!

* Also dose anybody wana study in Lahore if so what school and why?

[xxSADAFxx]

Any body know the yearly cost of private colleges in Lahore such as LMDC??

[Docpk]

all private colleges cost not less then $ 12500, Except AKU (karachi) IT WILL COST $20000 per year.
docpk

[xxSADAFxx]

I still think thats pretty good as a compareson to the US

[Docpk]

Cost in USA ? This is what I know that good medical college in Texas will cost about $16000.00 and if your GPA 3.8 AND MCAT scores 30 that will qualify you for tuition scholarship and that will cut-down almost $7500.00 plus your expanses. But 4 year of college + 4 year for MD.
LITTLE TOO MUCH TIME AND MONEY, in other hand 5 year in PK. + hard time for residency. I don’t no witch one is better, like I said before I have full year of thinking and planning. What do think.

[xxSADAFxx]

hmmmm...well in your case USA dose not sound like a bad idea...but a majority of med schools in the US are 20,000.00+ like george washington uni is 60,000.00 a year thats way to much! You just have to think about it and research a lot and then come to a conclusion...and don't worry u do have a year to think about it like me...good luck!

[Irum Khawaja]

hey Guys!
i wanna know how the conversion for honors classes work. I mean, i don't think the school gives an extra certificate for honors and it does not come under "external examination"(for which they only cut down 10%) and yet its harder, so I don't see any point in taking it if they are still going to cut the grade down by 20%. Does anyone know if the convesrion for honors is any different????

[xxSADAFxx]

hey Irum,
Honestly with all the research i've done i've come to the conclusion that take the easiest classes cuz they are going to take the 20% off no matter what (honors,AP)...It dose not make a diff to them they just look at the grades. at then end of the day when u get ur grades equiv. they are only going to look at ur marks not the standard of what classes u took,,,
phy+bio+chem+english+one more high grade=ibcc equiv.

* your right its pointless to take honors and AP's

[Smeer]

Salam everyone!



* your right its pointless to take honors and AP's

Heyyyyyyyyy come on now! Are you tellin' me i wasted 3 years (and am about to waste a 4th) taking honors/AP's? I mean, if nothing else, it's good quality education...rite...?..hheheh...or at least that's wat they want you to think, right?

Well, maybe it is wiser in terms of Pak. Med. colleges not to take honors/AP's...but I think if you can make good grades in em you should, just don't overload yourself.

[xxSADAFxx]

Noooo...sorry don;t get me wrong...if u take AP's u will be more well prepared for college life. and i agree if u get good grades def take them cuz u get that .7 boost when takin AP's...so if u get an A or a A+ in AP chem that may give u lke a 4.7gpa for chem or what ever AP u take and thats gona look really good on ur transcript...also if ur bound between studyin in the USA or PAk...make sure u take those AP's for the US cuz w/out them its tough to get into any college they wana see a above and beyond course load(AP's and hon.'s)

* But still IBCC equi. is what the med schools look at in Pak

[xxSADAFxx]

To everybody who wants to apply to med school in Pakistan:

I think what we need to do is create 20 steps to applying in pakistan. I think if we all work together and create these 20 steps things will become way more organized. I mean i've been doing research for like forever now but even still some parts of applying to med school in Pak is a blurrrr....
We need details you guys!!! When to apply? What is the best time? When To send ur trascript to IBCC?? Is it best to go to Pakistan and apply or start the process from here??? I mean I surely don;t want any problems to occur when Im applying and im sure thats how everybody else feels

Sooooo plzzzz lets get details for gov't and private colleges and create are 20 "easy":confused: steps in applying to a Pak med school!!!

Step 1: Research....Research...research and decide what medical college you want to attend make a list of both gov't and private
* Feel free to add on to step 1

But now whats step 2??????

[xxSADAFxx]

hey salam,


sine: my IBCC marks were 803! actually what happen was my marks converted late as a result my name appeared in the 2nd list...not first...and then sum miracle happened that a gurl didnt join fatimah jinnah as a result they gave me the seat cuz I told them I wanted in punjab before they gave me in Sindh! but the marks that I had...no way I was able to get into any lahore med school...it was sum huge miracle...cuz gurls down here all have their IBCC marks over 870!

Sara

The IBCC marks are that were over 870 is that pakistani students or foreign?

[shahbaz]

Hi I am I high school student, currently thinking of going to AKU, but a little confused..so here are my questions :) .... What should I aim for on my SAT 1 and is SAT 2 a must. Also what should i try to obtain average or wise... cause I actullay have had three cousins who have attended AKU and done there residencies in America.. so I was wondering since what should i do in order to get myslef in AKU.. cause it is an amzing university... thanks any help would be greatly appreciated :D

[xxSADAFxx]

Shabaz:

Well im not sure about SAT scores for AKU but about the average try to get really high grades in chem., physics, bio and english (AKU is a very competitive)
Also check out their website :
http://www.aku.edu/medicalcollege/ad...mbbsinfo.shtml (http://www.aku.edu/medicalcollege/admissions/mbbsinfo.shtml)

[Smeer]

Salam everyone!

xxSADAFxx: The next step would be to go the IBCC website and download the form, print it out, fill it out, attatch all the papers it asks, and submit it to one of the several IBCC offices in Pakistan (listed on the website).

I like your idea of a step to step list of the procedure, but the trouble is it's most likely not going to work out, because there is so much that could go wrong since we're so far away and because a lot of the people taking applications and equivalence certificate applications are so lazy/inefficient/indifferent about everything. A lot of people are likely to run into different speed bumps somewhere along the way, so it's not as easy to outline and follow as it is in the U.S. or Canada.

It's a good idea, nonetheless, and it should give everyone a good idea of the basic procedure...just want to make sure everyone knows that it's not as easy as applying here in the States or in Canada

[shahbaz]

thanks Sadaf :D

[badshah]

I am planning to go to DOW..... How is the envirronment? school? teachers? life? etc....... please provide me some info
Another school i am applying is Ajman? same questions for that as well?
I cant decide if i want to go to Ajman or Dow?please help me

[Docpk]

Hi I am I high school student, currently thinking of going to AKU, but a little confused..so here are my questions :) .... What should I aim for on my SAT 1 and is SAT 2 a must. Also what should i try to obtain average or wise... cause I actullay have had three cousins who have attended AKU and done there residencies in America.. so I was wondering since what should i do in order to get myslef in AKU.. cause it is an amzing university... thanks any help would be greatly appreciated :D

Shahbaz for AKU, SAT 1 and SAT 2 average will do you good, but you should
have gooood GPA in CHEM. PHYSICS, BIO and English.
No problem for U.S.A STUDENT. get help from your cousins, Three cousins and yet you looking for info. I think you should sitdown with them and get every detail, and post what you learn from them so we can benifits.

[Worrieddoc2be]

Asslam-o-Alikum,

Did ne one get their mark converted from IBCC yet?
Kindly share what are we suppose to submited along with the application form, transcript and high school diploma?

Thanx

Ahsan

[sara00]

sara:thanx alot for ur reply and help :( .i dont rally if necessary to get PMDC permission as i am transfer student from other europian country medical school,the point the PMDC dont accept this transfer or migration? my embassy they told me if i get aletter from te ministry of health and high education ministry in islamabad..you can join the university ..but the point is is this really will not cause any problm after graduation....
i got the admisson actually in BAQAI medical university and they accept my transfer.........i dont know really if it is a good medical school and how the situation there...so if you can suppply with information regarding it is quality of study and what i ahve mentioned previously..do you think is better to go and start study in baqai or better i search for other medical school in europe :confused: really the time is running out and i dont know what to do..
waitng ur reply and other reply from other freinds >

heey salam,

sorry for the really late reply... so u got into baquai!!! thats really gud, congrats! I heard its gud school... and very well recognized around the world as compared to eurpean med school... and regarding PMDC why they are not accepting u???
by the way, if u look in this thread u'll find a gurl named "yorkgurl", try to PM her cuz she will also start baquai this yr!! She knows alot about that school and maybe can guide u well! if u cant find her that e-mail me... and I'll tell her to contact u!

Sadaf: forgeiners who got over 870 were admitted under tech-assisstance. by the way docpak, heard u have really gud marks so keep them up inshalla u can also get under tech-assistance (where u'll be paying in pak rupees..which is about $200 US per year!!!!!) And u asked about pak envirnment... well hostels are not gud! on one floor there are abut only 3 washrooms (those underground washrooms) and the food is not that gud it will make u sick the first few weeks, but many forgeiners live there ...but its hard! the positive advantage of hostels is that u can do group studies which is extremly helpful during med school!!! cuz sooo much to cover and soo much to memo...so when ur with friends its easier and faster to study well! Also u'll find seniors in hostels that will guide u soo well for example what type of questions will come on the test, etc...oh yeah for washing ur clothes... u can pay the maid and she'll wash ur clothes... its hard to live in hostels..but u get use to it..many forgeiners live and are happy tooo...:p by the way if u get admission in lahore then there are private hostels too near fatimah jinnah...there u get ur own room with ur own amrican style washrooom, and there u can put anything in ur room like AC, computer ,etc... but food is not available there, either u can order everyday or make it ur self.

Hina: if u retake one of the courses to improve ur mark... the IBCC will take the highest mark from the two subjects! hope this anwers to ur question...any other questions, either post or email me cuz my PM doesnt work sumtimes...

Badshah: Dow is a really gud school ...but hard to get it in... one of my friend came from DOW to fj and now she regrets coming to fj cuz DOW is soo much better than fj! ;) fj is fulll with stduy tension hardly get time to chill... other med school in lahore and karachi are full of fun!

Worrieddoc: did u send in ur marks yet?? just send in everything they require that says on the forms...but make sure every paper is attested! dont forget!

By the way... for anyone who's applying this year... if u guys have any questions do post them inshallla I'll try to reply them...

take care,

Sara

[zan]

hey Guys!
i wanna know how the conversion for honors classes work. I mean, i don't think the school gives an extra certificate for honors and it does not come under "external examination"(for which they only cut down 10%) and yet its harder, so I don't see any point in taking it if they are still going to cut the grade down by 20%. Does anyone know if the convesrion for honors is any different????


Those IBCC ppl are idiots, they dont care about ur honors classses and Ap classes, they just think hmm its a class, there all the same level. All my classes in 11th and 12th grade were honors, and I got stuck with a 773 ibcc score, and got accepted to Liaquat Medical college in interior sindh which sucks alot. I,m trying to transfer to punjab. HERE IS A TIP, FOR PPL STILL IN HS TAKE THE EASIEST CLASSES IF U WANNA GO TO MED SCHOOL IN PAK, U"LL GET INTO A GOOD COLLEGE> AND WONT GET STUCK LIKE ME, AND HAVE A HARD TIME TRANSFERRING.

[Docpk]

SALAM,
Thankyou for replying I will INSHALLA keep my grade up. No choice but to study hard if I want to pay in pak rupees, applying early summer next year INSHALLA 2007. My first choice is
DOW, KING ADWARD, SHIFA and BAQUAI. Hope fully year pass fast can’t wait to get There.
SARA00: you mention that they deduct 10% to 20% from your marks, is this for Canadian or for all North Americans. What is the best time to start application process?
Please if any one who has any info about DOW or BAQUAI, let us know.
It is very HOT HERE in TEXAS, How is LAHORE WHEATHER WISE.
Hey Ubaid R Khan: it’s been long time no NEWS.

[badshah]

Is anyone attending DOW Medical college or will go in january 07?
please provide your email address/aim..........
or email me @ mustafajawaid1@hotmail.com

[badshah]

Is anyone attending DOW Medical college or will go in january 07?
please provide your email address/aim..........
or email me @ mustafajawaid1@hotmail.com

[xxSADAFxx]

Ohhh…Ihad totally forgotten about his site…but Now iM BaCK!!!

Smeer:
Yah I know its really hard but we can try right…but did u know that supposebly ur not suppose to use the printed out copy from online u have to get an orginal one. Which is stated on the IBCC site and also my friend told me that they will not accept the printed out copy…so I’ve heard

Also I think if possible its best to go to Pak urself to apply cuz then u can rally go every day and force them to check out ur equivalence papers…Also If u contacts in the Gov’t or Police that is very helpful cuz those r the people that everybody listens to! And also ask them questions about what is going on with ur equivalence cuz then is they know that u know about the whole routine they might get there act together and do what there suppose to…Also let them know that ur in a rush and have to apply and go back to the USA…or something…they might feel bad ((lke my friends cousin she started crying at the IBCC office cuz they didn’t have equivalence and she was so frustrated…and I guess that made a diff cuz she got her info in a week!!))

Sara:

Thanks soooooo much for ur reply!!
So what were the marks of most of the people who got in Self Reliance? Also these private hostels r they only for college students? Also do a lot of people stay at them? They sound lke a really good idea…WoW tech-assistance is lke studying for free

Zan:

Hey ur marks are 773/1100 but could u give me an idea of what ur grade were lke in chem., Bio, physics and English?? How many marks did they cut off?? Did they pick any other classes from ur transcript for equivalence…plzz let me know

DocPK:

10% deducted foe Canadians
20% deducted of Americans

Same here I can’t wait till next year im soooo ready to got to med skool in Pak…I hope my senior year flys by Super fast! OK and u were askin about the weather in Lahore OMG it is sooooo HOT…I just went to Pak in April and that the time when there suppose to have mild weather but it was still crazy hot for me I mean if u stand outside for one minute u’ll be sweating lke u ran a mile but after the sun goes down its not that bad…I think that’s why people in Lahore go to sleep at 3 or 4 am and wake up at 3 or 4 pm! Yah but its really hot but I think it just takes some getting use to…the other bad thing the electricity is lke always is out meaning forget about AC…and if u have any other questions about Lahore feel free to ask cuz I stayed there 4 about a month…so im pretty well aware of every day life there!

Badshah:

Sorry don’t know anything about DOW!

[Smeer]

Salam all!

xxSADAFxx: Glad to hear you're ready to go! About the IBCC online application...that's weird, I know a couple of people that sent in the online one and they didn't have any problems. Thx for the heads up tho.

So what were the marks of most of the people who got in Self Reliance?

Hahaah no offense, that just sounded funny cuz it's the title of an Emerson essay! I know you meant Self-Finance tho.

I have to agree w/you, Sadaf. Pakistan gets "hella" hot. I was there 2 years ago in the summer during July, and on average it was like 105 (on a good) day. I heard it even gets over 110 and 115! Crazzeeee hot.

My real question is about the whole "AP's don't count" thing. My bro recently sent in his marks to get an equivalence certificate, and they seem to be making a huge deal about verifying AP results. In fact the IBCC even has it's own code in the Student Service pack the AP Services committee gives out each year, so, is it possible that AP scores do play a role in the marks you receive?

[xxSADAFxx]

how embrassing!:shock: Def. not sure were my brain was when i wrote "self reliance" lol...

You know im totally unsure about the whole AP thing but i've heard sooo many say that take easy classes...cuz no matter what the r going to take of the same amount of marks...but then again i have not seen anybodys equivalence certificate...Its way to confusing!

[badshah]

Sadaf is right
AP does not count....... Its so sad... I took mostly honors and AP classes during highschool.
Anyone going to DOW?

[zan]

I know in the Packet you send to the IBCC they make a big deal about it, but I guess if you got a 5 on the AP's then submit it, but if you got lower then a 4 then I dont think u should submit it. Basically I have a 3.8GPA in HS, the count your 11th and 12th grade transcript, and then they deduct 20% from your grade. I didn't think they care about AP's, IBCC sucks, go and bribe them, and thats all they care about. THIS IS PAKISTAN, a land of no rules and regulation. Thats what I've learned after staying here for a 1/2 a yr in my 1st yr of med school. INSHALLAH I WILL TRANSFER TO SOME SCHOOL IN PUNJAB


Zan

[xxSADAFxx]

Zan:

I can't believe that ur GPA was a 3.8 and ur IBCC marks came out to be 773...I mean cuz in the 3.8 is considered next to perfect in theUS and I don't think that 773 is considered very competetive In Pakistan...I mean that sounds so unfair...were ur low grades in chem, bio and phy cuz I know all of Sara's grades were in the 80's and then minus 10% deduction of marks and her IBCC marks stillcame out to be 803...sooo I don't undertsand why ur's r so low...

[badshah]

What are IBCC marks?Does high school GPA, SAT, etc get translated to IBCC marks?

[zan]

I had A's and B's in those classes, I graduated from the Florida USA, So they take 20%, just bribe them, and u wont be miserable like me

[xxSADAFxx]

What are IBCC marks?Does high school GPA, SAT, etc get translated to IBCC marks?

OMG u don't know what IBCC Marks r lets just say u got a lot more research u need to do!

(Bio+Chem+Phy+English) Grades in these classes=out to be IBCC Marks...ur whole GPA dose not count and also SAT has nothing to do with IBCC marks...IBCC Marks r ur grades translated to Pakistani grading system and with out them u can't apply to med school in Pak...and to find out more info visit the IBCC site

[badshah]

Thats why i am going to Pakistan in august 2006... i didnt know it was called IBCC marks. what is considered good marks out of 1100?
What do u need for Agha Khan/King Edward/ etc?

[Smeer]

Salam all!

badshah: From what I've heard from people, stuff above 800 would be considered "good." From the info I got from sara, above 870 is really really good, cuz those ppl got into tech. assistance (meaning they paid the price local Pakistanis do to go to med school, around $200 bucks or something!).

zan: I know Pakistan has a lot of bribing going around, but I've heard that it doesn't work @ the IBCC offices...

[xxSADAFxx]

Salam all!

zan: I know Pakistan has a lot of bribing going around, but I've heard that it doesn't work @ the IBCC offices...

WHAT? Who told u bribing doesn't work at the IBCC office??

[sine240]

planning on attending Dow this fall. Consult me here. How can i help You

[zan]

Believe me Bribing Works EVERYWHERE, if someone told you bribing dosen't work then they must've been bribing the wrong person, or not bribing that person that much. Come on its Pakistan. I heard there are alot of American students at DOW. I think American and Canadians will like DOW if they go there, basically any big city in Pakistan, Lahore, Pindi, Karachi, and maybe Peshawar. For me I dont think Pakistans Medical Education System isn't that stable or that great, but the Pakistani Drs, have alot, I mean alot more Exposure during Clinicals, becuase they aren't hindered by Lawsuits or anybody suing them. In Pakistan you gotta study by yourself, get use to the politics in your school, and you'll hate the 1st few months of it.

[badshah]

sine: my email address is mustafajawaid1@hotmail.com.. do you use msn massenger? I am on it alot.
To everyone: the crime rate in pakistan is significantly rising. It doesn't seem safe at all by what i heard from my relatives living in Pakistan... Yesterday, i heard that the shia leader's son was killed.... Its a dangerous place.

[badshah]

i am going to dubai/pakistan on monday for college visits. Is their something important that i should ask the college faculty?
Please provide feedbacks

[Smeer]

Salam all!

badshah: Yea it would be great if you could just give us a report of what you see, as many of us have not seen a lot of the areas/campuses where the colleges are. Maybe note some of the comparisons to American facilities, cleanness, etc. Maybe see where the weather is most bearable? Anything on what conditions are like, considering most of us here are spoiled brats from American or Canada hahaha. Thx for askin', anything you learn about/discover would be great.

[xxSADAFxx]

i am going to dubai/pakistan on monday for college visits. Is their something important that i should ask the college faculty?
Please provide feedbacks

I've heard Dubia Med Colleges have a very Poor Standard thats why the US dose not accredit Dubia...what collges do u plan on checking out in PAK?

[badshah]

Dow, Sindh, Etc.....

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Awww badshah, not visiting any of the Punjab ones ? :( :cry: :( .

It's okay, just tell us how Dow, Sindh, and the others you visit are like. Thx again.

[Irum Khawaja]

anyone knows if sara got in technical assistance programe or self-finance?

[xxSADAFxx]

Sara's is in the self-finance program.

[Worrieddoc2be]

Salamz,

Did ne body who z applyin this yr to government med school got their IBCC marks converted? If yes, what was ur mark according to the IBCC Certificate?

Thx

Ahsan

P.S. What z da deadline to apply to Pakistan Embassy ?

[Docpk]

SARA00, SADAF, SAMEER, and you’ll,
SALAM,

hey What is the better way to get To get admission in pak in timely meaner
to go personally in Pakistan and do all your paper work?
Or apply from hear. I been hearing some time your application get lost, some time
Your IBCC didn’t get in time Please Advice.

SARA00
Can you give little more info on tech-assistance.
And also How Self-finance work,

Thanks!!

[xxSADAFxx]

W/Salaam

DocPK:
I've heard its best to apply by going to Pakstan cuz then u can easily keep intouch with them and make sure everything is running on time! If you are in Pakisatn u can go and talk to them and if theres any problem u can take care of it right away. Also I think the best time to go and apply is right after u graduate from high school. Basically I think if u go to Pak to apply u will have things in ur control.

WorriedDoctobe:

Aug 30th...but Def don't wait till that late cuz they tend to take a long time with the whole process...

[Docpk]

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[Smeer]

Salam all!

Docpk: Yea the best way is to go yourself and turn in all the paper work and stuff. Another idea if you don't want to go is to send all the papers and stuff to a relative u really really trust and can contact very frequently (almost daily).

Since a lot of people haven't gotten their IBCC certificates, what are your guys' GPA's who are applying? (Just wana get an idea...I won't be applying till next year)

[lesmiserables]

Hello People, I am interested in applying to medical schools in pakistan. I have 90% average in total and currently reside in Canada. The IBCC equivalency requires people give their AP's does that mean that even canadians have to give their AP's. Did Sara00 or anyone else who resides in Canada and applying as foreign student apply. Also my school opens on Aug 11th so thats when I can get the things for IBCC certificate mailed. Also my school hasnt granted a diploma because the graduation is in October whats up with that ? Does that mean that I can't attend med skool now? Would sources in police or army to get the proccession of the certificate faster help?

thanks

[Smeer]

Salam all!

lesmiserables: No Canadians don't have to give AP results (you can't take the AP test unless you take the AP class). Yes sara applied and was accepted to Fatimah Jinnah. The deadline for submitting applications is August 31, so make sure you get your IBCC application in before then so that they can give you at least a provisional certificate to attach to your application. Graduation could be a problem. You have to show the IBCC your high school diploma and you'll need it when you submit your application. See if you can maybe request them to give you your diploma early or something through the office or education board or something, if you really want to apply this year.

Police or army help would only work if you know people who are really really really influential...otherwise...you mite be in the same boat as everyone else.

Best of luck!

[fuzpot]

I guess if you had contacts within high levels of government and the army- you could pretty much do what you wish.

[Aquresh]

I am a sophmore in an American University and i want to apply to Pakistan medical university. So if i want to apply, should i only send my high school transcript or college trancript or both? Moreover, does anyone know of a college student who has his/her scored converted from IBCC.please reply soon.

[badshah]

ASA
I am still searching for colleges. I went to Gulf Medical and Royal College. They are near Sharjah, UAE. The seats are full @ gulf medical. Royal College has 12 more seats but its not accredited by the U.S.
I am going to Pakistan soon.... Inshallah i will visit Dow, King Edward,etc..... Please Pray for me guys.... Pray that i get into the college that is best for me. Thanks
Allah Hafiz
Mustafa

[saher]

A-O-A,
Hi guys, I am from Canada but also a pakistani citizen and I'm now entering Gr.12, i would like to apply to a Pakistani Med School but i have no clue where to start from.
Can someone, who has been through this, please guide me step by step.
for example the information that i may need is the following:
- Academic average (GPA) (how much should it be)
- Tuition fees (will i be considered foreign or a citizen)
-admission seeking process (when do i apply, and through whom)

[Smeer]

Salam guyz!

saher: The requirements for Pakistani Med. Colleges isn't based on GPA; it's based on u're grades in Bio, Physics, Chem, and English. There are three ways you can apply: as a local Pakistani (you have to take the entrance exam in that case, which is not advised as the competition pool is huge), under technical assistance (you apply as a foreigner but only pay local fees which is less than $500, but only if you have really really good marks), or under self-finance (where you apply as a foreigner and pay $10,000 a year, much easier to get into than tech. assistance).

The process is kind of long...and it's been posted a couple of times on this site, so either look through the previous posts or go to: m e d s t u d e n t z.com -- don't type in the spaces, i put them because this site won't let u type out the site. Check their international med. schools threads and look under the med. schools in pak., it's really helpful and they've provided a really good step-by-step application procedure post.

Hope that helps!

[YorkGirl86]

Hi guys...i posted in another thread earlier but haven't received too many replies yet..and I'm just ANXIOUS to recieve suggestions or advice...so if anyone here could help me out...it would be great...
basically..the problem is that I transferred out of my BSc degree in biology right before i started university because i decided to go into law instead...so i transferred into a double BA degree in Health & Society and Polisci...and ive just finished my 2nd year at York University...my overall GPA as far is a B+....now..the thing is...i think I want to still try for medical school as well...and I know my chances here in Canda are VERY limited...so i was thinking about applying to med. schools in Pakistan - and specifically in Punjab...i'm looking into KE and Fatima Jinnah....but would they accept me now that i'm an arts student?

i took science courses in high school and although I did really well in biology and english..i really slacked off in chem and physics in grd 12 and didn't do so well....so would I be able to apply using my high school transcript? do I have any chances at all? and would it be a wise thing to do? i just reallyyy need some suggestions right now cuz im LOST!!!!

and i heard that you don't really need to show anything if ur applying through self-finance? what are the chances of getting in through tech assistane because i honestly don't have all that much money?

if anyone could shed some light..and SOON..that would be GREATT!!!

[xxSADAFxx]

Yorkgirl86:

well u can still apply the deadline is aug 31. But the thing is that it is a veryy long process. First u have to have ur grades equiv. to the Pakistan standard which is the IBCC. Then when you get ur equivalance then u can apply to a pakistan med school. Your BSc dose not matter at all the only important thing is ur high school transcript with Bio,chem,phy and english on them . Also I saw that u want to go to KEMC or FJMC the only thing is that with these med colleges its very competetive to get into cuz they r considered one of the best in Pak...but at the same time if u get every thing done and apply u will most likly get into a med college located in Pakistan. Also u said that u don't have to show anything when applyin through self -finance the med colleges u want to go to like KEMC look at everything and r still very competeive even if u apply through selfinance. Also if moneys a problem u might not want to apply in the Punjab side of Pakistan cuz it is the most $$costly$$. I think i answered most of ur questions...if u wana know anythin else just post it!

[xxSADAFxx]

Is it true that there r no more SAT II's?????

[Irum Khawaja]

Hey guys!
well i have another question.
what's the criteria for applying as a foreigner. I am currently in Vietnam studying in an American International school, and this is my second year here which means that I donot have any foreign nationality, can I still apply for foreign seats?

And did anyone recieve their AP scores yet cause i haven't and i am getting worried now!

And whoever gets in a medical college in pakistan this year please give us details of your GPA and stuff taht will help a lot.

and can we find merit lists online? do they make a seperate one for foreign students?

[YorkGirl86]

Thanx a lot Sadaf :) yeah i do have a few more questions actually..first - do u know how expensive it actually is through self finance for those colleges? secondly...do they just look at your final grade 12 marks..or do they average out all ur highschool years? andddd..do they ONLY look at those 4 courses? ok specifically...in grd 12..i got a 97 in bio and a 93 in english..but a 60 in the dot for chem & physics :(...do u think i have much of a chance for those 2 colleges? cuz the thing is..all of my family is located near lahore so i would like to stay in that area - i'd be FRIGHTENED if i was on my own...and onee more thing (sooo sorry)...but if my chem & physics marks are in fact too low...would it be good to take a first year physics and chem class in university in the summer and then use that to show them for those 2 courses? is that even possible?

and thxx soooo much for spending ur time on me :)

[xxSADAFxx]

Thanx a lot Sadaf :) yeah i do have a few more questions actually..first - do u know how expensive it actually is through self finance for those colleges? secondly...do they just look at your final grade 12 marks..or do they average out all ur highschool years? andddd..do they ONLY look at those 4 courses? ok specifically...in grd 12..i got a 97 in bio and a 93 in english..but a 60 in the dot for chem & physics :(...do u think i have much of a chance for those 2 colleges? cuz the thing is..all of my family is located near lahore so i would like to stay in that area - i'd be FRIGHTENED if i was on my own...and onee more thing (sooo sorry)...but if my chem & physics marks are in fact too low...would it be good to take a first year physics and chem class in university in the summer and then use that to show them for those 2 courses? is that even possible?

and thxx soooo much for spending ur time on me :)

Hey Yorkgirl...no problem I would be glad to help anybody!:)
Ok so for the Punjab Province colleges such as KEMC, FJMC,AIMC the self finance fees are $10,000 US dollars a year but if you under technical assistance it's less than a $1,000 but it is very diff. to get under the technical seat
-2nd the grades well it depends on were u live if u live in canada it's 11 and 12th grade that counts but in the USA they amy look at all four years of HS
-Yes the mainly look at those 4 coures and maybe another noe of ur higher grade in any class
-U have good grades in english and bio but ur grades in chem-phy r very low cuz see the IBCC cuts addtional marks off of the orginal grades i mean honestly it just depends on ur luck...you may get into FJMC but KE seems kind of unlikly but then again u never know...if you really really want to study in Lahore u can try applying to the Private colleges like Fatima Memorial Med college and Lahore Med college they have a $12,500 yearly fee
- Also u were saying that ur marks r low and ur thinking about taking the classes again in UNI but I don't know why but I think they dont take Uni classes there sooooo weird like that they want to c the classes on ur HS transcript
SO when r u panning on applying time running out??? Also r u going to go to Pak to apply???

[YorkGirl86]

Hey Yorkgirl...no problem I would be glad to help anybody!:)
Ok so for the Punjab Province colleges such as KEMC, FJMC,AIMC the self finance fees are $10,000 US dollars a year but if you under technical assistance it's less than a $1,000 but it is very diff. to get under the technical seat
-2nd the grades well it depends on were u live if u live in canada it's 11 and 12th grade that counts but in the USA they amy look at all four years of HS
-Yes the mainly look at those 4 coures and maybe another noe of ur higher grade in any class
-U have good grades in english and bio but ur grades in chem-phy r very low cuz see the IBCC cuts addtional marks off of the orginal grades i mean honestly it just depends on ur luck...you may get into FJMC but KE seems kind of unlikly but then again u never know...if you really really want to study in Lahore u can try applying to the Private colleges like Fatima Memorial Med college and Lahore Med college they have a $12,500 yearly fee
- Also u were saying that ur marks r low and ur thinking about taking the classes again in UNI but I don't know why but I think they dont take Uni classes there sooooo weird like that they want to c the classes on ur HS transcript
SO when r u panning on applying time running out??? Also r u going to go to Pak to apply???


--Hiah Sadaf!! awnnn shooot they only want the HS transcript?? that totally sucks for me then!! :cry: yeah actually the thing is...i'm thinking of applying to pak medical schools after i'm done my BA..which is 2 more yrs cuz i dont wanna waste the money i already spent!! plus...i wana try ALL my chances here first (med AND law) and then if i dont get accepted anywhere...apply to pak..so its my Final option....but since i have a feeling i might not get accepted here either since compeition is FIERCE:mad: ...i wanna prepare myself early on so then when the time comes..i know what im doing!!!

--as for the applying part, i honestly have NO CLUE!!:confused: im not too familar with that process yet...do u have a choice? becuz if u do..i'm definitely just gonna mail it to them...i'm not about to pay like 2000 bucks for a ticket just to go and apply!!

- so have u applied yet? if so, how did it go? any acceptances? oh by the way..r u a fellow Canadian too? :cool:

[YorkGirl86]

oh one more thing!! since u said for Canada they look at grd 11 AND 12...my chem n physics marks were a bit better in grd 11 ..physics was 80..chem was still in the high 60s (but better than sixty on the dot right?)..and bio was lower - exactly 80 too..so if they average that out...do u think there's much of a chance then?

[Docpk]

Is it true that there r no more SAT II's?????

xxSADAFxx: Is it true that there r no more SAT I or SAT II's for GOV'T colleges they apply onlyfor Private colleges.

Docpk

[xxSADAFxx]

hey yorkgirl,
well most people consider it bad idea to apply yo a Pak med school after BA cuz its like a waste of time u know what i mean. Its a good idea to apply to a pak med school when ur right out of Highschool or u maybe spent 1-2 years in college-uni...the BA is going to be no help to u in Pak cuz u don't have to have a BA degree to apply to a pak med school. SO it would be best 4 u to go apply as soon as u can if u really want to study in Pak. But ur saying its ur final optiion then i guess it ok but if u 100% know ur going to pak then go ASAP

As far as applying goes everybody says its best to got to Pakistan and apply cuz that way things will run the way u want them to. Cuz the IBCC people r veryyyyyy unorganized and they mess up and loose everything. But u could apply from here through ur Pakistani Embassy and IBCC but its risky.

I have not applyed yet im planning on applying next summer June inshallah. But im planing on applying to KEMC,AIMC and FJMC and maybe the private ones in lahore and also shifa mc in islamabad. So im excited I think it will be a very wonderful experienece! :)Im not Canadian im American.

Ok I really cant say anything about ur chances of getting in cuz somtimes people will higher grades dont get in and people with lower grades do...just depends on ur LUCK but like i said before if u really want to syudy in lahore there r private med colleges like Lahore med college and Fatima Memorial were there is almost a confrimed chance of everybody getting in so u may want to look into those to....hope i've helped :rolleyes:

[xxSADAFxx]

SO anybody apply this summer?? Did any one get there IBCC marks back yet?? Or get accepted in to Pak med college???? Plzzzzz inform us:)

[Worrieddoc2be]

Salamz,
Does ne1 know what z da last date to submit our application to the nearest embassy for ppl who r styll waiting for their IBCC equivalence certificate??

plz reply if know anything abt it or have any relevant information..!

Ahsan

[elysium_111]

what if the ibcc equivalency marks are 63% (my marks currently) ? is that enough to get into a med school w/in punjab?

it's aug 8, the man at the ibcc office said that i could keep my marks at 63%, or wait 1 1/2 months for the grades to be converted properly, so that my equivalency would be more than what it currently is. So, is 63% good enough to get in? and where would i get in? or should i wait for my revised equivalency --which would be higher--and apply n/year?

guide me plz!

[Smeer]

Hey salam everyone!

Worrieddoc2be: I'm not sure what the last date to submit to the embassy is, but the last day for self-finance seat applications to be submitted is August 31, so you better get your application into the embassy before that date so they can send it over to Pakistan by then. If you're still waiting for your equivalence certificate, have them give you a provisional certificate to attach to your application in place of the actual certificate since your actual one might not be made by the application deadline.

elysium_111: If I were you, I would apply with the marks you received and see where you get in. If you really aren't pleased with the results or where you get placed, try re-applying next year with your improved marks (if they are a lot better). That's my advice.

[Las Vegas-AK]

How about the Registration to the Pakistan Medical Schools by the State Medical Boards

[elysium_111]

ok, so here's what I did:

I told the ibcc office that b/c they had made a mistake in my grade, they needed to correct the equiv cert and give it to me on time. again, the dude was not quite cooperative, and he said that i would get the equiv cert in the 2nd-3rd week of september. so i'll take the plunge. I'll send in my provisional cert w/the rest of the apps, and as soon as my equiv cert is available, i'll send it to them.........the n/hr if need be.

i am totally dissatisfied w/the ibcc equiv office. they take sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long to do small things. my situation is simple--the dude made more than one error in his calcs, and I HAVE TO SUFFER. It's his fault, not mine! Y Y Y Y YYYYY ME?

the end.

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Las Vegas-AK: I'm not 100% what the process is of being registered by the State Licensing Boards, but i know bits and pieces. For one you have to take the USMLE to practice at all in the U.S., and then you must check each state's medical licensing board and see which schools are approved for licensure and which ones aren't.

elysium_111: Don't feel too bad. Everyone has the same complaint about the IBCC office taking waay too long and being inefficient. You're not alone. Good job bugging them and getting whatever you could out! If it isn't too personal, would you mind sharing your physics, bio, chem, and english grades just to see how it lines up w/your equivalence %? If you don't want to, I understand. I don't mean to pressure you.

[Worrieddoc2be]

Thx Smeer for the advice! but i haven't ever heard about wat u called "provisional certificate".. What basically is it? Where do i get that from? Well, my uncle is gettin ma marks converted from LAHORE BRANCH and IBCC told him to come n visit the branch on 18th Aug cuz they have sent my marks to "get converted or i dono what" to Islamabad... So, where do i get the provisional certificate from? but the actual question is, wud EAD consider that provisional certificate for accepting me in ne of the colleges?

A FAST REPLY WUD BE APPRECIATED.. n ya smeer, u rock.. u r so helpful.. thx alot man..

[Worrieddoc2be]

one more thing...

how can we apply to private medical colleges (e.g. shifa, agha khan etc) in Pakisan? Is it worth applying? I heard we haf to take entrance test for that? if ne1 is aware of the process, kindly reply..

[genius322]

Hello all
I didn't post for awhile coz i was busy with classes and exams and what not, also i just got my laptop back. Yea, I am from the states, studying at KEMU! we are a universtiy now, so no more affiliation with Punjab University. Seperate entity. In my third year about to take my annual exams.

For those who wish to know more about KE, read some of my previous posts about life here at KE. if you are still interested and can afford it, come to KE or the desired school and see for your self what you are getting into.

About admission, it is my rec to you that you be here physically and be on the IBCC and the EAD. they mess up alot, and take forever to correct mistakes. Unless u know someone within the education sector, things will be difficult.

Any more questions feel free to ask, try my best to reply.


elysium_111:
I am sorry to hear about your mishaps. If your coming to pakistan, then you had better get use to it, coz this will be the norm. How badly did they mess up?

ma'asalaama
Ali

[elysium_111]

Thx @ those who responded to me! :)

New question: on the mbbs app form, it says to list the med schools in order of preference. There's only space for 8. Can we add more, or is that basically the cut-off?

aight, here are my marks w/their exact percentages:

1. IB English=100% A
2. IB Business & Management=100% A
3. IB Physics= 100% A
4. Chemistry= 79% C+
5. Biology= 79% C+

so, what happened was the dude at the ibcc office didn't avg my physics and business grades into the calcs--he totally j/rushed thru the transcript and messed up! So my aunt j/recalc-ed the grades by the following method:

(100*3)+(79*2)=300+158=458-(20%*5)=358/500=0.716*1100=787.6 marks

^^^so, 787.6 isn't so bad--i could get into.........quaid-e-azam med school.....lol

those ppl who have already been accepted to pak med schools--how much were your marks--if u don't mind me asking?

also, when we submit our triplicate apps, that means 3 sets of everything, rite? that's pics, poc card, ibcc equivalency cert or provisional certificate......and that's all? Do we have to submit our transcript---i'd submit it, but i don't want my aunt to see it--i'm doing everything thru her :cool: . yea, i'm a 3.302, top 26% of the class..........i j/told her i'm a B-avg student.......which is true....i j/really messed up 9 + 10 grades (GPA 2.3 + 2.9 ). Can u believe it, my gpa in 11 + 12 grades was 3.8 and 4.2, respectively. and consider this: i took a full-IB course load in the last 2 yrs of hs. yea, that's ib eng 1 & 2 HL, ib history1 & 2 HL, ib biz and management 1 & 2 HL, ib physics II SL, ib spanish 1 & 2 SL, IB TOK, and desktop/multimedia presentations. 3.8 and 4.2 isn't that bad, huh?? j/those otra gpas.................i totally cringe at them...but i learned my lesson....doncha j/wish 11/12 grades were f.sc in the us--i would soooo totally rock the boat..:twisted:

so, r my calcs correct?

there was another student here whose trying to transfer from jamshoro to lahore---is that possible? i thought migration was a big no-no. And, will i get put in a faraway school, will i even make the merit list? :shock:

[xxSADAFxx]

Genius322:
Oh its soooo great seeing somebody who attends a goverment college in Lahore. Well If u don't mind me asking what was ur IBCC marks? If u can go into detail about how they converted the marks that would be helpful too...since ur from the states did the take off 20% of ur marks? Is there any chance u can get them to not take off the 20% or is that impossible....also u said that the only people that could help have to be in the education sector...who falls under that category?

So as american what would u say about KE? Do u think its a good idea to come to Pakistan 4 med college? What do u think of KE...heard its really hard to get in to. R there a lot of americans at KE? Do u have any info on Allama Iqbal Med college?

well sorry I no i asked way to many questions but any help would be much appreciated!! :)

Elysium:

That scares me so much hearing all the people getting there marks messed up! I feel sooooo Bad 4 u. But r u getting ur marks equ. right? But ur family is doing it 4 u in Pakistan? How long did it take u to get ur marks? I was reading on the Ibcc site that u can get them done in 3 days if u pay more...that true? Do they only count english for 11-12th grade .ABout ur transcript u HAVE to send it but ur aunt better not open it cuz then they will not accept it only sealed transcripts r allowed and thats a big deal!

[Worrieddoc2be]

Sadaf: It's all bull sh** they say on their site.. i paid for urgent which is suppose to take 3 dayz buh guess how long has it already been in their office; more than 1 month.. dat'z when i paid double fee...
i WISH those idiots had some option with triple or quadraple fee so i cud've paid that and they might've sped up the process...

Well, i still havent received my equivalency certificate... They promised to give it by 20th of AUGUST.. (They dont really care abt their promises according to wat i have observed.. they r such lozers) But I hope they make no mistakes in the certificate cuz time is running out and i styll have to apply to canadian embassy...

[elysium_111]

wait--i already sent the sealed transcript to ibcc, so that's done with-----but do i have to send sealed transcripts to the HEC with my med school apps? :confused:

[xxSADAFxx]

Worriedoc2be:

Thats sound really bad I can't believe they can delay such an important thing. I really hope the same dose not happen to me.:cry:

well u asked a question regarding private colleges...u don't have to take the entrance exam for them u can replace it with ur SAT scores but for Shifa and Aga Khan u need to have SAT II's but for Lahore medical college and Fatima memorial u can have either SAT or SAT II's or even ACT...so r u planning on applying to the Punjab side and is a relative in Pakistan helping u apply?

[xxSADAFxx]

Smeer:

Ur brother was applying to med college in Pakistan this summer right? What ever happened?

[Worrieddoc2be]

Sadaf: Ya i hope the same way that w.e is happening to me doesnt happen to ne 1 else.
Thx for guiding me abt the private colleges... Da nex question is where n when do i take SAT or SATII? and ya.. r there ne disadvantages or negatives about applying to private colleges? Why dont alot students apply to private colleges?
KINDLY REPLY ASAP...

i m still wondering WHAT IS A PROVISIONAL CERTIFICATE AND WHERE CAN I GET THAT FROM?

P.S: My uncle is helping me and i m applying to punjab side.. SADAF: r u a canadian candidate or american?

[xxSADAFxx]

Sadaf: Ya i hope the same way that w.e is happening to me doesnt happen to ne 1 else.
Thx for guiding me abt the private colleges... Da nex question is where n when do i take SAT or SATII? and ya.. r there ne disadvantages or negatives about applying to private colleges? Why dont alot students apply to private colleges?
KINDLY REPLY ASAP...

i m still wondering WHAT IS A PROVISIONAL CERTIFICATE AND WHERE CAN I GET THAT FROM?

P.S: My uncle is helping me and i m applying to punjab side.. SADAF: r u a canadian candidate or american?

Ok about SAT or SAT II u have to look it up online or maybe contact ur highschool cuz they have SAT testing almost all year long just check out the dates and sign up....

disadvan. and advantages about private r that if u go to Shifa or AGa Khan there are none besides that they r more expensive...Aga Khan is considered the best in Pakistan and is very helpful when taking the USLME...but private colleges such as Lahore medical and Fatima Memorial r very easy to get into but do not have good teachin standards...
ok well sorry i will answer the rest later got a run.....

[Worrieddoc2be]

Sadaf: Thx for helping... r we allowed to take USMLE or PLAB after graduating from private colleges? Do we send in only one application for the private colleges or how do we apply ???

Does nebody haf information abt Lahore medical college (da private one) ? Ne website or phone numbers.. i cant find nething on the net..

Your help is appreciated!!

[xxSADAFxx]

Sadaf: Thx for helping... r we allowed to take USMLE or PLAB after graduating from private colleges? Do we send in only one application for the private colleges or how do we apply ???

Does nebody haf information abt Lahore medical college (da private one) ? Ne website or phone numbers.. i cant find nething on the net..

Your help is appreciated!!

Yes all the private colleges are accerdited and after graduating you may take the USLME and PLAB. Each college has its own application process.hmmmm i was pretty sure there was a site for Lahore medical college let me just do some searchin and i'll let u know. My cousin attends Fatima Memorial and she likes it so i guess its good. I mean its good to apply to med colleges such as Lahore med and Fatima Memorial cuz they really easy to get into and r a good back up...Oh yah and Im American...LUCKY me i get 20% marks taken off due to the dum IBBC equivalence Rules!

[xxSADAFxx]

Lahore Med college site:

http://www.lmdc.edu.pk/

[.:GoAway:.]

Can we compare Dow and shifa here?I am at high skool in Pk and since DOW dont care a bit for ALevelers I have to weigh my options.
The parameters of comparisons shud be 1)life at the coll. 2)infrastucture 3)training facilities and 4)future I am entitled to after leaving the coll

[.:GoAway:.]

I think AKU is far more competitive for the pakis to be relied on.Foriegners like my cuz who applied are to my knowledge more likely to get admitted.

[.:GoAway:.]

hey can anyone confirm whether there's an age limit or not at the DOW

[xxSADAFxx]

I've heard many people that shifa is a really good med college. After graduating from med colleges SHifa students tend to really well in Pakistan and on there USLME's. The facilites at SHifa are also really good that is the reason so many forigeners choose to atten shifa medical college. You were saying AKU is competetive for pakis but it is also very competeive for foriegners too! you were asking about the age limit for DOW im not exactly sure but im guessing as long as ur under 21 its ok...but then again its just a guess. Basically I've heard alot of good thing about SHifa.

[elysium_111]

hi ya'll, i have a question--do we have to send sealed transcripts to the HEC when applying to the medical colleges?

[xxSADAFxx]

What dose HEC stand for?

[Smeer]

Salam everyone!

elysium_111: Yes I think you do have to send another transcript to the HED. If you aren't sure, just attach one anyway. Better safe than sorry rite?

xxSADAFxx: I think HEC = Higher Education Council (or Committee, something like that). My brother still hasn't gotten his marks converted so he's going to try and apply w/the provisional certificate (unfortunately it doesn't list any marks, just says that his high school achievements are equivalent to Pre-Med F.Sc. in Pak standards).

[xxSADAFxx]

Oh man! Smeer I can't believe ur brother still did'nt get his marks...I think almost every other person has that problem. What chances dose he have of getting to a good colllege? What college did ur brother want to get into? Please let me know what colleges he gets accepted to. I really really hope the same dose not happen to me or u I don't think i can handle that kind of stress!!!

[Worrieddoc2be]

Thx Smeer for the advice! but i haven't ever heard about wat u called "provisional certificate".. What basically is it? Where do i get that from? Well, my uncle is gettin ma marks converted from LAHORE BRANCH and IBCC told him to come n visit the branch on 18th Aug cuz they have sent my marks to "get converted or i dono what" to Islamabad... So, where do i get the provisional certificate from? but the actual question is, wud EAD consider that provisional certificate for accepting me in ne of the colleges?

A FAST REPLY WUD BE APPRECIATED.. n ya smeer, u rock.. u r so helpful.. thx alot man..

[Smeer]

Salam everyone!

xxSADAFxx: Well my bro's marks aren't that good so I don't think he'll make it into the best like KE or AIMC, but who knows. He really isn't as hardcore about going as a lot of you guys are...if he gets in he'll go if he doesn't he's happy where he is.

Worrieddoc2be: The provisional certificate is the first piece of paper you should have received after you submitted your marks into the IBCC branch in Lahore. It says something like ''your high school transcript is equivalent to F.Sc." (don't remember the exact wording). It doesn't have any marks on it, but my cousin's been my ''middle man'' and he was told that if the converted marks don't come back in time, that he should just attach that provisional certificate. Again, you can get it from the same office you submitted your transcript/IBCC application to, just ask them about it. I have no idea how they use it to see where you get placed, but maybe the decision-makers get a ''sneak peak'' at u're marks, wherever they are in the conversion process. It's all a guess after the provisional certificate part. Hope that helps a little.

[xxSADAFxx]

Everybody should check out m e d s t u d e n t z . c o m (do not put spaces i just did that cuz other wise i can't type the site adress on this forum)
* ITS A VERY HELPFUL SITE:)

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Everybody should check out m e d s t u d e n t z . c o m (do not put spaces i just did that cuz other wise i can't type the site adress on this forum)
* ITS A VERY HELPFUL SITE:)


Yea it's extremely helpful. The guys over there have actually been through the process and they reply back really really fast so you guys should check it out. They give you more direct/certain answers than you'll get here!

[coola123]

hey everyone,...
what is the usmle scores needed in step 1 and step 2
for residency in family practise, internal medicine, and internal medicine

i heard anyone with passing scores which means if u have above 75 then we can get residency in less competetive fields like family practise...pediatrics...but it would be hard to get a residency in psychiatry and 85 or above is needed for psychiatry residency

if we r a US foreign medical graduate, with scores such as 78 in both steps of usmle...with US clinical experience and good letters of references...u think there would be any hardship getting a residency in family practise or we need scores 85 and above

please share if anyone know about the usmle scores required for each residency..

thankyou:)

[Hkhan]

assalam alaikum

I am in Pakistan right now and my results have come. But there is a problem. In the beginning the results you get is 'provisional certificate'. I went to IBCC and they said they have changed the rules now. They can only accept the orginal proper certificate. For me that will come in October (from England). But the deadline for medical unis is 31st August. So ill have to go to some places to sort this out. I cant believe how stupid these people are, even though the ones working in IBCC and HEC are supposed to be educated people.

I got like an unofficial equilavent marks and they said you have 80% in both fsc and metric, so is that good or bad?

Also which uni is better shifa or fauji foundation (rawalpindi)? Is it better to take shifas entry exam or Sat11/MCAT/AP???????

[xxSADAFxx]

assalam alaikum

I am in Pakistan right now and my results have come. But there is a problem. In the beginning the results you get is 'provisional certificate'. I went to IBCC and they said they have changed the rules now. They can only accept the orginal proper certificate. For me that will come in October (from England). But the deadline for medical unis is 31st August. So ill have to go to some places to sort this out. I cant believe how stupid these people are, even though the ones working in IBCC and HEC are supposed to be educated people.

I got like an unofficial equilavent marks and they said you have 80% in both fsc and metric, so is that good or bad?

Also which uni is better shifa or fauji foundation (rawalpindi)? Is it better to take shifas entry exam or Sat11/MCAT/AP???????
Oh god can some one tell me that they have not had a bad experience with the IBCC people??? "PLEASE"...well i think 80% are acutally pretty good marks. Majority of people get marks in the 70's. You were asking about which med college u should go 2 i would defintley say SHifa....it is a really good college. The best thing take is ur SAT's cuz the entrance exam is alot harder! So when did u go to Pakistan to apply...how long is it taking u? Any suggestions on mistakes that u made that u can warn us about? Please keep valuemd updated on ur whole applyin process...Best of luck!

[Snake]

Hi guys, okay here's a deal Im a senior in High School (12th standard) in USA and I was thinking to got to pakistan and get the M.D. degree, now if I do that what will I have to do when I come back here to work as a doctor,

Do I have to thake the MCATS? And do I have go to Med-school again.

Im really confused on this matter. All Im planning to do is earn M.D. degree from the best med-school in pakistan (possibly Islamabad, please refer one) and come back here and earn a decent living.

So Please tell me what are the downfalls of doing this!!!

[xxSADAFxx]

Hi guys, okay here's a deal Im a senior in High School (12th standard) in USA and I was thinking to got to pakistan and get the M.D. degree, now if I do that what will I have to do when I come back here to work as a doctor,

Do I have to thake the MCATS? And do I have go to Med-school again.

Im really confused on this matter. All Im planning to do is earn M.D. degree from the best med-school in pakistan (possibly Islamabad, please refer one) and come back here and earn a decent living.

So Please tell me what are the downfalls of doing this!!!

Ok well you should really check out the prior post cuz everything u asked has already been answered but I will still help u.

Ok so first after u get ur MBBS degree from Pakistan which is equal to the MD degreem and then u r going to take the USLME test. According to how u score on the test u will then apply for a residency which u will do for about 3 years...then u can start working!

For pakistan u don't have to take the MCAT test!!!!!!!!!!!! " I don't know what u mean by if u have to go to Med school again" THe Best med school is Aga Khan in Karchi and then there is King Edwards in Lahore and there is also Shifa in Islamabad.

Basically if u can adjust to Pakistani society there is really no down fall...its really worth it thats why so many Americans go to study in Pakistan

[Snake]

Ok well you should really check out the prior post cuz everything u asked has already been answered but I will still help u.

Ok so first after u get ur MBBS degree from Pakistan which is equal to the MD degreem and then u r going to take the USLME test. According to how u score on the test u will then apply for a residency which u will do for about 3 years...then u can start working!

For pakistan u don't have to take the MCAT test!!!!!!!!!!!! " I don't know what u mean by if u have to go to Med school again" THe Best med school is Aga Khan in Karchi and then there is King Edwards in Lahore and there is also Shifa in Islamabad.

Basically if u can adjust to Pakistani society there is really no down fall...its really worth it thats why so many Americans go to study in Pakistan


Thanx for helping out, I very much apreciate it, Now this USLME test, is this to be taken in America after ur MBBS from Pakistan? And for "going to med school again" I meant will I have to go to med-school in America for certain years even after recieving MD from Pakistan?? Hopefully u mentioned the residency do it's clear i think or i might be wrong!!!

How much does the pakistan's medical degree's value is measured here in America?

And exactly how long is the med-school programs in pakistan, is it 4 or 5 years?

What is the best field of work to choose when I go into med-school?

Do they prepare u well enough for this USLME test in there? And what if u get low scores and want to take it again, how many times u can do that?

Im sorry for asking u all these questions but I can really use a professional's help as of now.

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Snake, you don't have to go through any school once you graduate from Pakistan, just take the USLMLE and u're set. It takes 5 years to graduate from a Pak. Med. college, and the value of your degree is kind of a personal question because your USMLE scores are a better determinant of what residencies you'll be able to choose from. I don't understand your question about "field of work when going into med school," maybe you should clarify, because I don't know anyone who works while in med. school. Most students who graduate from accredited med. schools in Pakistan do very well on their USMLEs, as Pakistan's schools are well-known in the medical world. Some private schools prepare you for the USMLE, but the government ones don't. The thing is the cirriculum is so thorough and well-structured that most people who graduate and study for their USMLE's along the way do well anyway, even though the schools don't provide specific classes for USMLE prep. I hear that if you pass the USMLE, you can only take it once every 7 years, but I'm not 100% sure on that so maybe check with someone on that. I wouldn't really worry about failing it though, especially since Pak. Med. colleges have such a good reputation of turning out high-scoring USMLE-ers.

[xxSADAFxx]

Hey Smeer,

Can u tell me how long it has taking so far with ur brother applying to Pakistan lke when did he start??? I wana know cuz im getting really worried about next year cuz i can't apply till june next year thats when im hopefully going to pakistan...will i have enough time to apply? oh god im soooo worried now how is it going to feel come june next year...when r u going to start ur application process?? R u still planning on applying to the punjab side? Well now im thinking about applying to Aga Khan and Shifa too now...but i don't know how AGU is going to work out cuz the admissions r in march...i wonder if i can apply with just my SAT score...but then im also going to apply 2 the punjab govt colleges. Well lets see what happpens inshallah I will get into a good med college...:cry:

[xxSADAFxx]

-MBBS degree is equal to the MD degree
-There a lot of good books u can get to prepare u for the USLME
SNake r u planning on applyin this year?

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Well Sadaf, for some reason my bro got some bad luck! We sent in his IBCC application in late January and he just got his marks back this past weekend (in August!). He just barely missed the cutoff for applying, 59.74%!!!. He was off by 3 points. We're going to appeal his marks to see if maybe they'll budge it up just a bit.
Getting back to your question, I will be applying next June, as soon as I get my final transcript. I'm planning on having my application all ready so that as soon as I get that transcript I can send it over to my cousin to submit to the IBCC office. When I take my AP tests this year, I'll have the College Board forward my scores to the IBCC, because as I learned through my brother's application procedure, they take a long time on that, so if I send them direct, I'm hoping it will cut down the time it takes to get the converted marks. If the certificate is ready by next year's date I'll attach it, else I'll just wait till the marks are converted and in the mean time attach the provisional certificate to the actual gov. colleges application and submit it before the deadline.
The toughest part is getting those IBCC marks. They give you a lot of trouble, unfortunately.

Hope that helps!

[Snake]

-MBBS degree is equal to the MD degree
-There a lot of good books u can get to prepare u for the USLME
SNake r u planning on applyin this year?

Yes sadaf I will be applying this year, when might be a good time to do so?

Salam all!

Well Sadaf, for some reason my bro got some bad luck! We sent in his IBCC application in late January and he just got his marks back this past weekend (in August!). He just barely missed the cutoff for applying, 59.74%!!!. He was off by 3 points. We're going to appeal his marks to see if maybe they'll budge it up just a bit.
Getting back to your question, I will be applying next June, as soon as I get my final transcript. I'm planning on having my application all ready so that as soon as I get that transcript I can send it over to my cousin to submit to the IBCC office. When I take my AP tests this year, I'll have the College Board forward my scores to the IBCC, because as I learned through my brother's application procedure, they take a long time on that, so if I send them direct, I'm hoping it will cut down the time it takes to get the converted marks. If the certificate is ready by next year's date I'll attach it, else I'll just wait till the marks are converted and in the mean time attach the provisional certificate to the actual gov. colleges application and submit it before the deadline.
The toughest part is getting those IBCC marks. They give you a lot of trouble, unfortunately.

Hope that helps!


Okay man u just losted me again :cry: U mentioned something abt ur SAT's, do pak med-schools require SAT's? because as far as Im concerend they don't :( and what is IBCC test? Is this the entry test? If so then how can u take this test while ur still in America, because I cannot go to pak and take this test and then come back here to wait.

And what do they see when we send our our transcripts to them? because I will be honest that Im not that good of a student, u can say averge.

[thuway]

I've read all 91 pages of this forum thread today.

Ahem, I'm INSHALLAH planning to go to Baqai next year. I'm still in the early stages of getting my equivalency done. So... we'll see.

Anyways, I would love to chat with anyone who is wanting to go, wants more information (the limited one I have), and MOST importantly

Can offer me insight.

My instant messenger screen name is Acean5386.

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Hmmm Snake I'm not quite sure what your question is. I didn't mention SATs in my post, nor is there any IBCC test. There's no entrance test at all for foreigners, so don't worry about it. Maybe you're getting confused with AP tests, which are not mandatory. If you've taken AP classes and do well on the AP tests, your marks are lowered by 10% rather than 20%, but again AP tests are not mandatory.

Sorry for any confusion.

[xxSADAFxx]

Thanks for the help Smeer!

Snake:
The application deadline for goverment colleges is AUg 31st. Other then that private colleges have there own system but if ur planning on applying this year u better get moving! Or u may have to wait till next year cuz the process is soooooo long!

[Worrieddoc2be]

salamz all!

Did ne body actually meet the deadline of aug 31st..? have ne body submitted in their application along wid the IBCC Certificate on time???

i still didnt get ma certificate.. buh i've submitted ma application to TORONTO EMBASSY widout the certificate..
So, how wud dey look at ma application?? wud i b on waiting list??

i cuss IBCC ppl so much in ma heart!!!! What if this happens to their children? i swear, they r da worst ppl i haf eves come across to...
well, our bad luck.. we got stuck wid em..

@hsan..

[trb_5]

i got a question...i messed up in high school..i had a 2.59 gpa ...but now im in my second year of college and my overall gpa is 3.34...but i got a C in chemistry and maybe a C in physics..if i take them over again in college u think this will affect my chances of getting in to shifa?...i cant even sleep cuz i have a feeling i messed up royally again...thnx

[Hkhan]

Oh god can some one tell me that they have not had a bad experience with the IBCC people??? "PLEASE"...well i think 80% are acutally pretty good marks. Majority of people get marks in the 70's. You were asking about which med college u should go 2 i would defintley say SHifa....it is a really good college. The best thing take is ur SAT's cuz the entrance exam is alot harder! So when did u go to Pakistan to apply...how long is it taking u? Any suggestions on mistakes that u made that u can warn us about? Please keep valuemd updated on ur whole applyin process...Best of luck!

I was in Pakistan during the summer and i am back in London UK right now. I gave in my application form to the HEC in Islamabad and everything got done alhamdulilah. I still havent given in my SHIFA application form because i need to find out where do i take SAT 2 exams from in UK. The main thing is getting your marks converted and once that is done, the rest is just photocopying and getting it attested. IBCC wasnt that bad in the end, in the HEC they were saying there is a lot of problems with the US and Canada students in getting their marks converted...

I gave in the application form and everything in August 20th and i got everything done by August 24th.

So Inshallah i will be starting university in Pakistan this year, but i have to wait for a few weeks to find out which University i will going to.

So am i the only one here who got there application in before 31st August?

[xxSADAFxx]

HKhan:

nice to hear u got everything done...make sure u let us know which college u get into! Well did u take a look at colleges...how were they?? also when did u go to pakistan? Im gona go in june next year hopefully it will be enough time for me to apply...any other info that u think would help would be nice!

thanks and good luck...hope u get into a good college!

[badshah]

Assalam Alaikum Doostoon
After 7 weeks of exploration and hard work, i conclude that it is not easy to get IBCC scores..... You need source and more importantly RISHWAT...
i got into the private ones (Baqai med).... but for the governemnt ones u need Ibcc scores..... I am still waiting for the scoress. Inshallah i will get them next month......My first preference was King Ed... Army medical is also nice..... After the new international campus, Dow has lost its reputation.....
So what are you guys doing these days?
Allah Hafiz

[xxSADAFxx]

Badshah,
Well thats what i think everybody says...but did u get ur marks converted?? So u were saying the want rishwat...did the say that to ur face??
So over all ur experience was bad? Any mistakes that u mad that u can tell us so we won't make the same mistakes...Im planning on appying next year. Im hoping to get into KE,AIMC,FJ and the other private colleges in Lahore and maybe shifa. Can u also tell me what ur marks were???
thankss

[Hkhan]

Ibcc converted my marks without any rishwat and without any difficulties, which was unusual. But the process before that was very tiring and funny.

In the form for HEC for foreign self finance students, they asked a question saying when did u have small pox vaccine, when we all know it has been eradicated before i was even born. You had to write what is your blood pressure, red blood cell counts, urine analysis, heart rate when jumping and all this nonsense.

I was impressed with Fauji Foundation medical college. I would recommend especially girls who want to be mainly around girls, that it is a good uni for them. That is because 80% roughly are girls and it is on top of a hill on the outskirts of rawalpindi.

As for the government universities, i dont think people should except great standards from most. The private universities are of high standard (fauji foundation, shifa, agha khan etc...) and there is a new one in Peshawar called peshawar medical college which was very impressive. It looked very organised and it has a great potential to be up there with the best universities, because they focus mainly on ethics/discipline. They also have internet facilities for every student in which lectures if missed can be taken from the computers.

I went pakistan this summer and main thing is to just look at every college. Ask local people about the college and so on.

[badshah]

They havent converted my grades yet, so i dont know my IBCC score..... its taking so longggggggggggg................
Sadaf, they didnt say the word Rishwat. its an accurate assumption.... Source is also very important .. If you have source than u will get the same thing much quicker....If you want to ask anything add me to ur msn massenger. my email is mustafajawaid1@hotmail.com
I will let you guys know when i finally get my IBCC scores. and guys please pray that i get into a college which is best for me.... Ameen
Allah Hafiz

[maliksaabjee]

well... the government medical colleges of pakistan havnt issued any deadline fur submission of documents...its not too late... so better get ur equivalence made n everythng prepared... the test fur gov wud probably b postponed till novmber.. so therz a lot of time...the deadline fur shifa iz 2nd october...u can apply if u'v given SAT II if u want to b xemptd frm its entry test..

i'v got my equivalence made.. n it was pretty easy... i paid the urgent fees of 3000Rs./- n pickd up the equivalence certificate after 3 days... nothing to it....u just hav to wait in the line fur an hour wen submittng the docs..

[drsandyppc]

Thanks for the information.Now i know the facts.

[.:GoAway:.]

is there a new college affiliated with liaquat national hospital coming up?I heard it from a friend but cant get a source over the net

[.:GoAway:.]

is there a new college affiliated with liaquat national hospital coming up?I heard it from a friend or two but cant get anything over the net

[.:GoAway:.]

I called them today.They wud be releasing their brochere next monday.Campus is at the hospital ,fairly large and well maintained by our standards with a decent patient base.I am excited!

[DRJJ1]

I called them today.They wud be releasing their brochere next monday.Campus is at the hospital ,fairly large and well maintained by our standards with a decent patient base.I am excited!

YEA OK ILL GO TO PAKISTAN AS A USA MED STUDENT...BRING YOUR AK 47

[bredformed]

Assalamualaikum everyone!!!

im currently in my first year in a bsc prog in canada but want to start mbbs in pk next year. according to ibcc website my score is 935. I will be applying as a foreigner next year. I just wanted to know from someone in or past a pak med school my chances of getting tech assistance and if I have a chance to get into a good gov school like KEMU. And how can I make sure I get into a school in punjab?

[badshah]

those ediots have lost my diploma

[Billa001]

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[Tamerlane_1360]

Asalam Malekum,

Im gonna be graduating in January 2007, (Inshallah) from a US High school and I want to be a doctor, and I heard its Cheaper and quicker in Pakistan (MBBS) than here (8yrs + 3 yrs residency, MD). And I was wondering are there any medical colleges that start off in the spring term in pakistan?. And will they accept me I have a roughly 85% (by January) which I am told is a 3.2 GPA.

In my math I have a Cumulative : 78% (failed 1 class which counted as 4 credits, while I have a 90 in the rest) No math this year because I failed Math once and I can't get into AP Calculus with that Although I would really want to take a Calculus course, but I find that I can't take it anywhere.

In my Sciences I have a cumulative: 80% (Physics,Chem,Bio all taken before junior year) This year Im taking AP Enviromental Science which is double period, and I hate it.

My cumulative Grade for 3 yrs is (85% for English, science are explained below) total is 83% as of right now.

Individually lasy year my marks where: 90.13% Overall for Junior Year.
For Sciences I have :

87 (Biology Term 1)
87 (Biology Term 2)
75 (Chem Term 1)
55 (Failed Chem Term 2)
80 (Retook Chem Term 2 and Physics Term 1 at same time)
80 (Physics 1)
90 (Physics 2)


I would like to go to basically any medical college in Peshawar(Mainly because I can't speak Urdu) that will accept me. Also how are the Enterance exams like? I heard they take of 20% of your grade if you come from the US when they convert your marks to IBCC. Thanks All
Khoda Hafiz

[Billa001]

Hey Salaam Tamerlane ehh I believe US students dont need to take any enterance exams (Unless you have a pakistani citizenship then i dont know) . They do however look at your SAT scores i dont know if u took that. Khyber Medical College is a good one in Peshawer The Official Web Site Of Khyber Medical College, Peshawar, Pakistan (http://www.kmc.edu.pk/) . And as far as urdu goes u really dont need to speak it my cousin goes to shifa and he doesnt know much of urdu.

[Tamerlane_1360]

Hey Salaam Tamerlane ehh I believe US students dont need to take any enterance exams (Unless you have a pakistani citizenship then i dont know) . They do however look at your SAT scores i dont know if u took that. Khyber Medical College is a good one in Peshawer The Official Web Site Of Khyber Medical College, Peshawar, Pakistan (http://www.kmc.edu.pk/) . And as far as urdu goes u really dont need to speak it my cousin goes to shifa and he doesnt know much of urdu.

I thought that they don't look at your SAT's and however need to take SAT II's to avoid the enterance exam. Is there a spring session that I can staart medical school off with? Since im graduating in January (Inshallah), I would like to start it in Feb, or March.

[RehanSAlvi]

There's a mini area for pakistan medical school info on a site run by some students who go to pak med colleges.
(http://medicalstudentz.com)

[Aisha-]

haaay salam!
i hope anyone can help me here...sorry billa001 if im writing to the wrong one...but i need some information and help....
in this forum everyone seems to be from US...but im from Germany and greduated in june this year from school....I d like to study medicine in Pakistan but can just apply for next year coz i took this decision too late...anyways...i have no idea about how to apply..which university to go..and most important if i have a chance to get admission there anywhere????? ohh yes and i also cannot speak urdu..but i ll learn it inshallah..but nevertheless would be good if theres a university where i could study in english...ok...any help for me????

Allah hafeez

Aisha

[Hkhan]

Walaikum Assalam

I am from UK and i have got admission into Khyber Medical College (Peshawar) for this year.

If you want to apply for Pakistan make sure you have Physics, Chemistry and Biology subjects for A-level or whatever college exam system you have. You can apply through foreign self-finance seats, in which you pay towards the university fees, that way you do not take the entrance exam. If you dont want to pay a lot of fees (average 5000 dollars-10000) then you take the entrance exam and i think there is another type of seat. But i think that is more competitive. I dont know much urdu, so dont worry about that.

Make sure your grades are good and to apply all you do is go to ibcc (http://www.ibcc.edu.pk/) (http://www.ibcc.edu.pk/)directly) firectly in Islamabad or wherever or to your Pakistani embassy in Germany. Then depending on which seat you want to apply for, if self-finance then you apply to the HEC and fill out their form and give it in (for this year the deadline was August 31st).

[Aisha-]

Walaikum Assalam

I am from UK and i have got admission into Khyber Medical College (Peshawar) for this year.

If you want to apply for Pakistan make sure you have Physics, Chemistry and Biology subjects for A-level or whatever college exam system you have. You can apply through foreign self-finance seats, in which you pay towards the university fees, that way you do not take the entrance exam. If you dont want to pay a lot of fees (average 5000 dollars-10000) then you take the entrance exam and i think there is another type of seat. But i think that is more competitive. I dont know much urdu, so dont worry about that.



hay thanks for ur reply...

hmmm i didnt do A-level but "Abitur" after class 13...hmm i think i cannot apply through self-finance so it means i ll have to do the entrance exam...? what kind of test is it and how are my chances that i ll pass it??

so insted of the IBCC i can also go to the pakistani embassy here in germany??? and thats also where i ll apply for the universities???

thanks again..

Aisha

[Hkhan]

If you dont want to go through self-finance, yes then you have to take the entrance exam. The entrance exam isnt too difficult, but its not too easy either. You can get books from Pakistan which are specifically for the entrance exam and practice them. If you get good marks in the entrance exam and have good college/school grades, then you can get in to a university. The higher you get overall the more you are able to get into the best universities with high demand. But if you do not get the highest of marks you can still get into university, but maybe not the top one.

Yes you can apply through your embassy.

[Hkhan]

But ask around, dont just trust what your embassy says. But ask in Pakistan, if you cant go there then phone the relevent people. Like Higher Education Commission Pakistan (http://www.hec.gov.pk) and the IBCC etc...

[badshah]

U Need A Source Guys.......... Its Very Difficult To Get The Ibcc Scores.

[Tamerlane_1360]

Can anyone make it clear, is it that difficult to get my IBCC scores convert from a high school transcript?. Where can I convert it? And are there any private medical schools in Pakistan that start during the spring that I can admit to ? Because INSHALLAH I will graduate in January 07' and want to start med skool as soon as possible. Going to any private or public med skool thanks. Also can i go to a unrecognized school and transfer to a (WHO) recognized school in my 3rd yr?. Thanks

[junhus]

I am a currently a junior in college that will be graduating at the end of this year (summer) and planning on taking my MCAT's in April 07. I have taken all the required courses for a pre-med US student. My grades are ok but I think Ill have a difficult time getting into a US med school. I have family all over Karachi so i dont think it will be that bad living there. The last time i went to Pakistan was last year and I loved it so I dont think it will be that bad. My question is it hard getting into AKU or is it all about the money? And are all the facilities air conditioned? I heard that only the girls dorms, library, and lecture centers are air conditioned.

[badshah]

finally got my scores. GOT AROUND 800 IBCC SCORE

[badshah]

Assalam Alaikum
Guys, happy Ramzan.
good news for today. got my ibcc scores......... how is 780?

[Tamerlane_1360]

you only need a 660 to be able to go to med school. Where you a UK student or American? How did it all go! explain in details the process? how long did it take? Long?

[yorkgal20]

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[zan]

Hello Im a 1st yr Medical Student in Pakistan Graduated from HS in 05. I'm an MBBS Student in a Government College Liaquat University of Medical Health Sciences, Jamshoro, Sindh (http://www.lumhs.edu.pk) . Its ranked second:confused: , if your asking me how its ranked second please dont ask me (I think its the 2nd worst government med school in pakistan). It has prolly the best resources but the worst administration. It has two hospitals one in Jamshoro, and one in Hyderabad (10m away from Jamshoro). There will be 2 American students graduating they will be done in December. USMLE IS WHAT MATTERS IN THE END. I'm preparing for my exams in December. Private schools may have the best education, in terms of lectures. But government colleges have the best clinicals, because the government offers free healthcare at its government hospitals. Private hospitals are expensive, and the middle and upper class go there. The Government hospitals are really dirty, but thats where the poor ppl goto. They dont know if your a dr or a student in wards. They'll tell you all the information that you need to know to diagnose them, there just happy your taking the time to see them. But in the Private Universities a more higher class goes there, and therefore won't tell you anything about whats wrong with or why there in the hospital. But the Private Universities have the teaching resources and more descipline. I think Universities in Remote areas of Pakistan have the best Clinicals such as Liaquat Medical, and other colleges in remote locations. Most of the ppl from the remote locations arent well educated and they'll tell you everything thats wrong with them, becuase your the Dr and they dont know if your a student. I'm from Jacksonville Florida, born and raised in the USA. My parents are from Faisalabad, Punjab. If your going to be in a remote location, where i am, you should know Urdu. When I applied I taught I would get accepted to Punjab but due to my low ibcc score 773/1100 I was stuck in Sindh. I think if your score is lower then a 70% you wont get accepted to a Government school, becuase last year they rejected applicants, but there in Private Universities now.
First it was difficult, the teachers are speaking in there broken english, that you dont understand. YOu have verbal and Multiple choice tests but the verbal are counted more heavily. I wish i could explain everything but its to much. ITS ALL SELF-STUDY. I dont think I've learned anything in lecture, the lecture room is air conditioned, which you gotta get use to not having unless you rent your own place. I live in the hostel because all my family lives in Faisalabad, Punjab. If students from the middle east who come to pakistan to study, there english isnt great, they dont anything about pakistan. At least most of you, your parents are from Pakistan and you can impress your teachers with your english. I found out in December of 05' (applied Sept 05) that I got accepted to LUMHS. You just gotta endure 5 yrs of this, and gotta get a good score on the USMLE. Also bring deoderant, and some sort of contraption that you can use to filter the water. Person going to baqai, I heard there are lots of americans there. THere are groups that study anatomy seprately at each school and at baqai, the americans are seperated in there own group which is cool. There are only 2 americans in my class this other kid from detroit and me. THere are 3 americans in 3rd yr from chicago, VA and Philly.

IBCC dosent know what there doing, if you have family in Islamabad tell them to go to there office and get your certificate becuase there going to take forever.

[yorkgal20]

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[yorkgal20]

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[badshah]

Anyone going to Baqai or already went to Baqai?

[mariak]

hello
im going to baqai inshAllah this year n frm karachi wt abt u?

[Tamerlane_1360]

I would go but I can't speak Urdu (shame shame shame) I wish I knew it, does anyone have any experience with IBCC Peshawar?, Where are these "private universities" located?. Thanks and Especially thanks @ Zan.

[badshah]

maria, my email is mustafajawaid1@hotmail.com
Talk to you soon
Mustafa

[mariak]

70% of baqai seats hav already been filled .145 students hav been calld 4 second intrvw n there r only 100seats .badshah another girl is also going to baqai frm this forum

[badshah]

what is the reputation of Baqai?
when i went there, it didnt look very impressive. But looks can be deceiving.....

[mariak]

Baqai reputation is very good .after agha khan it is the second best private university.many students frm NWFP n other provinces cum there.competetion is tough here also.4mbbs 300 students were calld 4 first intrvw n oly 145 were selected 4 the sec intrvw.even the first intrrvw was not easy at least 4 me:)they askd me many questions medical related n other.might be baqai uni doesnt look impressive but if u just visit sindh n dow medical colleges u would think it is like heaven. .sum ppl said from this forum that they met students frm baqai,aga khan etc doing there specialization frm US.baqai administration is very coperative n like other private universities it provides many facilities to students which u cant even think in govt medical college.
Eid mubarak to allll

[ak7083]

I went to the Shifa hospt. in 03 w/ a fever. When i enter the place where they treat patients after hours (emergency room?), i asked to see a doctor. The person just stared @ me and ran off somewhere. So I asked a couple of receptionists about some service, they kinda ran off too.

I saw some guy who looked like a doctor, but when approached he ran off.

Shifa and Pakistan in general are turds really. The people too..

[Panjwani67]

Salam:
I am an American who graduated from High School this year. i just got accepted to Ziauddin Univesity and i am planning to go there. i have gone through the entire process of getting scores from ibcc and the other crap. i am willing to help any one seeking admission in medical schools of pakistan. i would also like to hear if anyone graduated from ziauddin or is currently studying there or will enter ziauddin this year with me.

thanks,
salam

[xxSADAFxx]

Panjwani67 (http://www.valuemd.com/../members/panjwani67.html),
so how was the process difficult?? were did u get ur marks convert from i mean which city?? and when did u start to apply and how long did it take u???

[Panjwani67]

Sadaf: i converted my marks in karachi. i came to karachi in july and i handed in my documents to ibcc for conversion by the end of august. by 2nd week of oct i received a provincial letter having my marks on it. it is good for 3 months and almost all universities accept it.

[nemo786]

gosh!!!
its great to see that ppl from states go to pakistan to do medical as well!!

is da pakistani MBBS excpeted in USA or u guys hav to sit any kind of exams?
**as its not accepted in uk!!***

[sine240]

hey panjawani..i see that ure going to ziauddin this year..i see..what is ure name...what state r u from?i was planning on attending it as i also got accepted but then denied...

[xxSADAFxx]

gosh!!!
its great to see that ppl from states go to pakistan to do medical as well!!

is da pakistani MBBS excpeted in USA or u guys hav to sit any kind of exams?
**as its not accepted in uk!!***

yah its accepted in the states!!

[xxSADAFxx]

hey panjawani..i see that ure going to ziauddin this year..i see..what is ure name...what state r u from?i was planning on attending it as i also got accepted but then denied...

what college r u going to??

[badshah]

Assalam Alaikum Guys
Long time no talk............. After getting my IBCC scores, i had only a few days to make a decision about going to Baqai Medical. I might have gone if i had a place to live...................... The Result is that i didnt go to Baqai.....I hope i didnt miss anything...... Inshallah, may Allah(S.W.T) give us all great opportunities in life.
Mustafa

[~!llu$ion~]

well i'll get straight to the point. i got 860 marks in my FSC. pre medical exam. but now everyones telling me i stand no chance to get admission in any punjab medical college. is this true? r these marks really not enough? coz we all know how difficult is it to get admissions in nust. n plz guide me what other colleges should i apply to?

[naah87]

Asalamaleikum everyone...I've been in the whole application process for Pakistani medical schools for a while and I'm still a bit weary of it. I'm looking into Baqai Medical University, and i wanted to know if anyone goes there and how do they like it. I'm currently an undergrad in the US and I really have no one to talk to or ask about what college life is like there in terms of classes and other facilities, hostel life, etc. Please let me know if you have any info...I'm tooooo curious. Thanks

[badshah]

Wa'Salaam
If you have family living in karachi, than you should try Baqai Medical School. Its a good school. I am not planning to go there since i dont have a place to live. Lets just say that hostel's are not the best place to stay. If you have high IBCC score's, try king edward or Agha Khan
any more questions ... email me @ germantown-cricket@hotmail.com
Allah Hafiz

[nyangels3]

Hey guys, I am currently a college student in NYC studying pre-med and i recently found out that if i go to pak and study MBBS tehre i don't even need MCAT:@, i was so shocked. Can anyone please help me in providing me some information about paki medical universities. I have been doing some research on Ziaudin medical university cuz it is recognized by WHO , but i am interested in finidng out about GOOD medical college/universities in Islamabad & LAhor that are recognized by WHO(world health orgnization). CAn anyone plz help me in that. I am so shocked to learn taht all i need to get into paki medical college is my High school degree i mean damn that's easy. i hope i get in,:( i mean don't want to go to pak and then not be accpeted in any medical university that'd be crazy.

[badshah]

Assalam Alaikum
nyangels: Its good to be confident but its not good to be overconfident as i was before i went there. Yes, its true that you dont need to take MCAT but the admission process is not easy. My email is provided above, feel free to email me.
Allah Hafiz

[badshah]

Assalam Alaikum
nyangels: Its good to be confident but its not good to be overconfident as i was before i went there. Yes, its true that you dont need to take MCAT but the admission process is not easy. My email is mustafajawaid1@hotmail.com , feel free to email me.
Allah Hafiz

[nyangels3]

Hey Badsha, Thanks a lot for advise but i am not planning to go to pakistan anymore, i mean if american MD is hard to get that mean there is something better in it. Paying more tuition iwll be investing

[badshah]

just follow your dream to wherever they lead. After getting a degree, no one cares where you studied from.

[zan]

HEC- BC Higher Education Linkages Program (http://www.hec.gov.pk/htmls/indigenous/fradm/result_link.htm)


Result of Foregin Student & Overseas Pakistanis' that have been accepted to Government Educational Institutions.

[yoboy1982]

I went to the Shifa hospt. in 03 w/ a fever. When i enter the place where they treat patients after hours (emergency room?), i asked to see a doctor. The person just stared @ me and ran off somewhere. So I asked a couple of receptionists about some service, they kinda ran off too.

I saw some guy who looked like a doctor, but when approached he ran off.

Shifa and Pakistan in general are turds really. The people too..

There is no such thing as good customer service in Pakistan for healthcare related issues, SPECIALLY shifa its just got a name for the high tech procedures thats about it. Their terrible in the ER or general care. The Nurse didnt know how to put an IV in properly either, I had inflammation in my hand/veins for 3 months after just because of simple diarrhea!

For small ER or other measures I suggest you try Ali Medical center or look around for smaller private hospitals their usually more friendly.

[yoboy1982]

I am a currently a junior in college that will be graduating at the end of this year (summer) and planning on taking my MCAT's in April 07. I have taken all the required courses for a pre-med US student. My grades are ok but I think Ill have a difficult time getting into a US med school. I have family all over Karachi so i dont think it will be that bad living there. The last time i went to Pakistan was last year and I loved it so I dont think it will be that bad. My question is it hard getting into AKU or is it all about the money? And are all the facilities air conditioned? I heard that only the girls dorms, library, and lecture centers are air conditioned.

Aga Khan is the best medical school in the entire Southern Asia if not the entire Asia combined!!! Their facilities are unmatched anyhwere. It was built in the 80's for around $85 million dollars! In 80's money and for pakistan that was a LOT!!! The campus is beautiful the education is the best. All Aga Khan graduates have no problem practicing anywhere in the world. Their admission is based purely on merit and potential to exceed. The fee you pay is nowhere near the amount of money spent to make you a doctor, and if you are granted admission in Aga Khan you would be a really lucky chap!

[yoboy1982]

Hello Im a 1st yr Medical Student in Pakistan Graduated from HS in 05. I'm an MBBS Student in a Government College Liaquat University of Medical Health Sciences, Jamshoro, Sindh (http://www.lumhs.edu.pk) . Its ranked second:confused: , if your asking me how its ranked second please dont ask me (I think its the 2nd worst government med school in pakistan). It has prolly the best resources but the worst administration. It has two hospitals one in Jamshoro, and one in Hyderabad (10m away from Jamshoro). There will be 2 American students graduating they will be done in December. USMLE IS WHAT MATTERS IN THE END. I'm preparing for my exams in December. Private schools may have the best education, in terms of lectures. But government colleges have the best clinicals, because the government offers free healthcare at its government hospitals. Private hospitals are expensive, and the middle and upper class go there. The Government hospitals are really dirty, but thats where the poor ppl goto. They dont know if your a dr or a student in wards. They'll tell you all the information that you need to know to diagnose them, there just happy your taking the time to see them. But in the Private Universities a more higher class goes there, and therefore won't tell you anything about whats wrong with or why there in the hospital. But the Private Universities have the teaching resources and more descipline. I think Universities in Remote areas of Pakistan have the best Clinicals such as Liaquat Medical, and other colleges in remote locations. Most of the ppl from the remote locations arent well educated and they'll tell you everything thats wrong with them, becuase your the Dr and they dont know if your a student. I'm from Jacksonville Florida, born and raised in the USA. My parents are from Faisalabad, Punjab. If your going to be in a remote location, where i am, you should know Urdu. When I applied I taught I would get accepted to Punjab but due to my low ibcc score 773/1100 I was stuck in Sindh. I think if your score is lower then a 70% you wont get accepted to a Government school, becuase last year they rejected applicants, but there in Private Universities now.
First it was difficult, the teachers are speaking in there broken english, that you dont understand. YOu have verbal and Multiple choice tests but the verbal are counted more heavily. I wish i could explain everything but its to much. ITS ALL SELF-STUDY. I dont think I've learned anything in lecture, the lecture room is air conditioned, which you gotta get use to not having unless you rent your own place. I live in the hostel because all my family lives in Faisalabad, Punjab. If students from the middle east who come to pakistan to study, there english isnt great, they dont anything about pakistan. At least most of you, your parents are from Pakistan and you can impress your teachers with your english. I found out in December of 05' (applied Sept 05) that I got accepted to LUMHS. You just gotta endure 5 yrs of this, and gotta get a good score on the USMLE. Also bring deoderant, and some sort of contraption that you can use to filter the water. Person going to baqai, I heard there are lots of americans there. THere are groups that study anatomy seprately at each school and at baqai, the americans are seperated in there own group which is cool. There are only 2 americans in my class this other kid from detroit and me. THere are 3 americans in 3rd yr from chicago, VA and Philly.

IBCC dosent know what there doing, if you have family in Islamabad tell them to go to there office and get your certificate becuase there going to take forever.

Definetly well said. I would say going to medical school in Pakistan is like being sentenced to a Jail in USA for 5 years, you just have to survive!!! Once you get out the goal is to pass the USMLE and I suggest you study from USMLE books occasionally as the pak system of learning and passing exams takes all your time, its all self study, you get nothing from the lectures at all and the knowledge you end up gaining is useless in real life. The plus side is you learn a lot in the clinical side.

On the flip side a private medical school in pakistan such as Shifa or Baqai, it would be 5 times easier to adjust to, you'll have lots of foreigners with you and the local student body would be made up of mostly middle class pakistanis but the negative side is the clinical. But I think thats worth the tradeoff if you can get into shifa or baqai as your first choice as it takes more work to get into these days with entry test stuff, but if you can meet their requirements you can easily apply to the govt med school lottery at the HEC and use that as a back up just in case, theres nothing wrong with 90% of the govt med schools and you will assimilate in 6 months if its in a city your comfortable with.

[yoboy1982]

Hey Salaam Tamerlane ehh I believe US students dont need to take any enterance exams (Unless you have a pakistani citizenship then i dont know) . They do however look at your SAT scores i dont know if u took that. Khyber Medical College is a good one in Peshawer The Official Web Site Of Khyber Medical College, Peshawar, Pakistan (http://www.kmc.edu.pk/) . And as far as urdu goes u really dont need to speak it my cousin goes to shifa and he doesnt know much of urdu.

If you apply at the HEC for a foreign self finance seat, there is no entry test. 95% of foreigners take this route.

If you somehow managed to prove your a local paki and want open merit admission you will have to take an entry test, 5% of foreigners do not take this route.

If you dont speak urdu but your a pathan, apply at the HEC and try to get admission into Khyber or Ayub, but they difficult to get into as all foreigners pick those as their first choice due to their solid reputation and cheap price for foreigners ($5000). Otherwise you should choose for Rawalpindi Medical, Army Medical, or International Islamic, all in the Islamabad/Rawalpindi area, easier to adjust to as a foreigner and Urdu is not fully required to assimilate into the areas although over the first 2 years you should try to pick up some urdu, and naturally you will.

As for medical college websites in pakistan, they are all out of date or all lies or all have the wrong information so you should not rely on any of them. Do not bother contacting them for information on admission. I would suggest you contact the Higher Education Commission in Islamabad for information.

[naah87]

Asalamaleikum again,
Sooooo here's my dilemma. I got into Baqai University and well my parents are ready to send me off, but because getting my equivalency took so long, I was held back for a while. Now its December and classes there have already started. I'm in college here in america and I have exams until the 20th...which i still want to complete in case I need a backup. The Baqai ppl told my parents that they have a cut off date of Dec. 30th for international students and that it's not a big deal if I come late...but i'm very scared cuz by the time I can go (22nd i thinK?) i'll be soooo behind. I mean I don't really know the system, the approach, etc...so ya i'm really nervous. My cousin goes there too, and he said it's not a big deal, they haven't covered much...but he's prolly just saying that...ANYWAYZ the whole point of my story is that I'm just wanting to know if anyone else is in this situation or has any opinions. I HAVE to go..you know, a lot of time, effort, and money went into it, but will they have some sort of way for latecommers to make up stuff. I don't know?!?!....I'm stressed...lata ppl!

[yoboy1982]

Asalamaleikum again,
Sooooo here's my dilemma. I got into Baqai University and well my parents are ready to send me off, but because getting my equivalency took so long, I was held back for a while. Now its December and classes there have already started. I'm in college here in america and I have exams until the 20th...which i still want to complete in case I need a backup. The Baqai ppl told my parents that they have a cut off date of Dec. 30th for international students and that it's not a big deal if I come late...but i'm very scared cuz by the time I can go (22nd i thinK?) i'll be soooo behind. I mean I don't really know the system, the approach, etc...so ya i'm really nervous. My cousin goes there too, and he said it's not a big deal, they haven't covered much...but he's prolly just saying that...ANYWAYZ the whole point of my story is that I'm just wanting to know if anyone else is in this situation or has any opinions. I HAVE to go..you know, a lot of time, effort, and money went into it, but will they have some sort of way for latecommers to make up stuff. I don't know?!?!....I'm stressed...lata ppl!

Just go ahead and come its not a big deal, some people in govt colleges come six months late even. First year is known for people joining in late so dont worry about it, cant jeopardize your whole 5 years medical education because you missed a few classes big deal! You'll catch up somehow, I mean theres only one test at the end of the year that counts and they usually have summer classes so you can make up your attendance.

[badshah]

if you have a place to live, u should go... i did not go to Baqai coz i didnt have a place to live.... I am going to Dubai for medical school next fall.

[badshah]

This place used to be so crowded. where did all the ppl go?????????
I guess ppl usually come here before the start of a new semester.

[RehanSAlvi]

there's another forum around which has a lot more information than this place regarding pakistani medical colleges so a lot of the discussion takes place there now....

[Anjani379]

I'm 22, born in Pak, came when I was 2, US Citizen, completed HS here, 5th year of college...Was pre-pharmacy major, picked up psych...not a good GPA, haven't taken MCAT...was 3.8avg GPA in HS, good SAT score....

Basically, I have a great highschool transcript but not a good college transcript...I'm thinking about applying to medical school or pharmacy school in pakistan since it seems like my last resort and the only people that MIGHT accept me still...What are my chances if any? Am I better off applying to a pharmacy school in pakistan or medical school in pakistan? Also, which university should I apply to?....simply stated, what's the easiest med school in pakistan to get into being a foreigner...I know this sounds like a lame attempt to get into med school no matter what...make it short....extreme problems after I began college...

Another reason I'm considering PAkistan is bc problems I have are due to where I live and the community around me, I think I'll be better off going back to Pakistan, it might help me get my head on straight and become something for once...Anyways, someone help....Thanks

[Zunna]

Hello Everybody!
I am new here and wants some information about applying in Medical colleges in Pak.
I am from Denmark! and can't find any place where i can read about the proceedings, or the rules.
plz can you people help me????
Here in Denmark you have some other grade levels. In the next 2 months im finish with my college here in Denmark.
SO if i could get some information i will be really thankfull to you people.

[meeza]

Salaam everyone!

I am looking into medical school in Pakistan and am kind of confused with everything? Is there an age limit? I would be 26 at the time of matriculation. I am really interested in AKU, but not sure if I will be eligble due to my age?

IF anyone has any insight, it would be appreciated. :)

[Aquresh]

Hi, I am new to the forum. My situation is that i have taken only Biology in my High school in America. I have taken Physics and Chemistry in University where i am a sophmore right now. I am planning to apply for the pakistan Medical colleges and wondering what transcripts should i send to IBCC. Moreover, i have A in almost all science courses. So if the IBCC would make a 20% deduction what would be my score as FSC equivalent.
Please reply soon
Thanks

[Aquresh]

Hey guys. I haven't receive any replies for my problem. Please help me out.
Thanks

[nasirjafri]

Hi eveyone
My daughter is preparing for medical college examination in Punjab, Pakistan. Can any one tell me where I can find prepatory material for her so that she can score sufficient marks. Thanks

Nasir Jafri

[mal]

does anyone know how i can get in contact with old graduates of hamdard medical college...i myself attended there and wanna get in touch with old friends.

[shadow7]

Yourll shud consider looking into medical schools in china... There are 4 main colleges which hv a very big population of foreign students. The standard is pretty good and its affordable.
China Medical University - Shenyeng. Zhejian Medical University - Hangzhou. Sun Yat Sen Medical Univeristy - Guangzhou and Tianjin Medical University - Tianjin.

[Hkhan]

If you want some information from students of Khyber Medical College (in peshawar Pakistan) then you can search for KMC or khyber medical college groups in facebook or orkut...they have a discussion forum there.

[docforlife123456789]

I was just wonderin, is Sara still here?

[Drwannabe]

ok..umm..I have many questions... first of all ....is an 80% average in high school okay to get in Aga Khan university as a foreign student from Canada? or will they ask for more???

[Neelum Iqbal]

hai!i am new at this forum.i just wanted to ask that can anyone tell me how i can prepare for entery test exams for pmc,etc without going to any academy?please help me, and how can i get the dates of entery test for different medical colleges of pakistan from web

[ayram]

@ drwannabe...
lol u know wot my average is 78 and after doing that -20, -10% thing it goes down to 58%. my frd has already applied for this yr after repeating every single course lol..her average is around 90%.
well i would say jus apply..dont have much chances but u never know..good luck :)

[ayram]

@ aquaresh
u took physics 12 and chem 12 in uni?? if yes then ur gonna have to send both of the transcripts..and if uhave A in all of ur courses..lets say 84%..jus deduct 20% from ur average and in this case it wold b 64%..i know it sucks to see ur marks going down this way lol

[ayram]

umm does anyone know wots the lowest % average u need to have to apply in paki uni as a student from canada?

[Jalaiby]

for med the lowest converted percent you need is 60 for MBBS and 50 for BDS

[Jalaiby]

i'm currently at Baqai if anyone has any questions about that let me know...

[ANM]

Please Add ARMY MEDICAL COLLEGE situated at Abid Majeed Road Rawalpindi

[DesiBhai]

Hi Folks,

Had a quick question for the experienced:

Can graduates of Karachi Medical College and Jinnah Medical College practice in the great state of Texas? Residency? MD License? The list of approved colleges for Texas does not have them listed (only aku, dow, sindh and baqai are listed).

Please advise.

Thanks!

[iqbalkhan6]

salam, i am a senior in high school in United States. I took AP Biology and AP Chemistry in junior year, and now in senior year, i am taking AP Physics, AP Calculus AB, and AP English, also, AP Spanish. In 9th, i took honors bio, math, and the rest of the classes were honors, except for spanish. In 10th grade, I took honors chem, physics, math, and etc,all honors. My current weighted average weighted so far is 93. Do you think I can get in Khyber medical university,ayub medical college, king edwards, or fatima jinnah medical university, any of these. Please help, i dont know how to get the information and i really need to apply.

[tyreese]

salam, i am a senior in high school in United States. I took AP Biology and AP Chemistry in junior year, and now in senior year, i am taking AP Physics, AP Calculus AB, and AP English, also, AP Spanish. In 9th, i took honors bio, math, and the rest of the classes were honors, except for spanish. In 10th grade, I took honors chem, physics, math, and etc,all honors. My current weighted average weighted so far is 93. Do you think I can get in Khyber medical university,ayub medical college, king edwards, or fatima jinnah medical university, any of these. Please help, i dont know how to get the information and i really need to apply.

Salam,

If your in the US, what you need to do is get in contact with the Pakistan Consulate Office right away in DC. When I applied, everything was done through the embassy. They had the information, the papers the people who I needed to get in contact with in Islamabad.

Second thing are you full blown American or have you had past experience living in Pakistan before? Not to scare you or anything, but life is harsh, you gotta have the will power to make it through here. Brains aren't everything, everyone in Pakistan's medical schools are smart (real smart), but it's a whole new ball game out here, so make sure your ready mentally as well.

As far as your courses are concerned, your okay from what I see. As long as you have all math and science courses, you should be okay. What they'll do is tally up all your marks and give you an equivalence certificate of some sort. Anyways it hard to explain, you should get in contact with the consulate office and speak with someone, they usually handle foreign students.

Hope that helps...

[tyreese]

AGHA KHAN MEDICAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
ALLAMA IQBAL MEDICAL COLLEGE ,LAHORE
BAQAI MEDICAL UNIVERSITY ,KARACHI
BOLAN MEDICAL COLLEGE,QUETTA
CHANDKA MEDICAL COLLEGE
DOW MEDICAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
FATIMA JINNAH MEDICAL COLLEGE ,LAHORE
KING EDWARD MEDICAL COLLEGE ,LAHORE
KARACHI MEDICAL & DENTAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
kHYBER MEDICAL COLLEGE ,PESHAWAR
LIAQAT MEDICAL UNIVERSITY,JAMSHORO
NISHTAR MEDICAL COLLEGE ,MULTAN
PEOPLES MEDICAL COLLEGE ,NAWABSHAH
PUNJAB MEDICAL COLLEGE ,FAISAL ABAD
QUAIDE AZAM MEDICAL COLLEGE ,BAHAWALPUR
RAWALPINDI MEDICAL COLLEGE
SIND MEDICAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
ZIAUUDDIN MEDICAL UNIVERSITY

That list is very old...lets update it:


Aga Khan University
Allama Iqbal Medical College
Army Medical College
Ayub Medical College
Bahawalpur Medical College renamed Quaid-e-Azam Medical College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahawalpur_Medical_College_renamed_Quaid-e-Azam_Medical_College)
Dow University of Health Sciences
Fatima Jinnah Dental College
Foundation University Medical College
Khyber Medical College
Gandhara University
King Edward Medical University
Liaquat University of Medical Health Sciences
Nishtar Medical College
College of Physicians & Surgeons Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Physicians_%26_Surgeons_Pakistan)
Punjab Medical College
Rawalpindi Medical College (big up!)
Saidu Teaching Hospital
Shaikh Zayed Medical College
Shifa College of Medicine
Sindh Medical College
Ziauddin Medical University

[Iqra786]

Hi, I am a US citizen. this june i will be graduating from high school, and i want to apply to AKU or shifa. by now my transcript has all above 90's in math, all sciences, english. THE LAST SAT 1 that i took i got around 1000/1600. i too ap world history, us history. currently i amm taking ap chemistry and ap calculas AB. i did not tak SAT 2's yet. Do i really need them if so how many SAT II's. like SAT II in each bio, chem, physics, or i have to tak atleast 2 out of 3. With the things i have will i get into AKU OR SHIFA, EVEN DOW. also wat other pak. medical collges do i have a chace of getting into with my score in transcript and SAT I. Plzzz someone reply meee??!!!!1

[RehanSAlvi]

ValueMD doesn't really have much of an active community for help regarding Pakistan Medical Schools or Colleges anymore...there's a lot of help you can get at the "Med Studentz Medical School Forum"...just search google for the name....

ValueMD might block the name out though because they see it as competition (i don't know why -- both sites are just to help people) but feel free to google the name...there's a lot of current students and prospective pakistani students there that can help you out.

Good luck to everyone in their career!

[ItZ DaT BoI BELAL]

SALAAM. I am currently a senior in high school in texas, USA. I need some information on how to apply and the acceptance rate for medical colleges in Lahore. My grades are OK but not great but i have heard of something called Self-finance, is everyone guranteed that. PLEASE HELp

[yoboy1982]

SALAAM. I am currently a senior in high school in texas, USA. I need some information on how to apply and the acceptance rate for medical colleges in Lahore. My grades are OK but not great but i have heard of something called Self-finance, is everyone guranteed that. PLEASE HELp

Not everyone is guaranteed anymore, lot more competition then there was previously. Lets start out with this.. what are your grades, and have you taken Chemistry, Biology, and Physics?