MEDICAL COLLEGES IN PAKISTAN

[ayesha_87]

ok so contact me i will tell you that mr shakeel from khyber medical college got this position in usmle step 1.contact me throug usafzaikhan@yahoo.com

I have had cousins who used to attend dow and it was one of the best medical colleges......so there!!.......AKU........my friend attends it ........and she got all As at A levels and O levels

[suhail510]

"AKU has standards comparable to the US"

Yeah right... no school would admit people with a 24 MCAT. Look in this years MSAR, 30 is considered average for admissions.

[sara00]

heey salam,

I was just wondering how many ppl on these forum applied to pak med school for this year?? by the way did anyone get in yet?...I heard entrance exam is in October!! also... did any of u converted ur marks yet from the IBCC?? if so please PM, asap! ..got questions regarding IBCC!!!

Thank you kindly,

Sara

[fuzpot]

Hey guys

Im in the UK, completed a BSc in Biology. Does any1 know about aga khans policy towards overseas applicants, i am aware of their requirements. But are they somewhat more willing to take in overseas due to the $$ they get. I have poor A-lEVELS, they ask for BBB. I would need to do the MCAT aswell!!.

Any1 any info on aku reputation 2wards overseas admissions.

[ayesha_87]

Hey guys

Im in the UK, completed a BSc in Biology. Does any1 know about aga khans policy towards overseas applicants, i am aware of their requirements. But are they somewhat more willing to take in overseas due to the $$ they get. I have poor A-lEVELS, they ask for BBB. I would need to do the MCAT aswell!!.
Any1 any info on aku reputation 2wards overseas admissions.

Aga khan wud be a bit expensive cos i think u r an international student.....it is a great medical school tho.......cos my cousin just graduated this year from AKU.....she got all As for her a levels and o levels.......so it is quite competitive.

but u cant compare AKU to med colleges in london....

[at2341]

DOes anyone have their scores already converted by the ibcc? Do you guys know what the deadline is to do this?

[sara00]

salam everyone,

Those of you who were asking about the entry exam...here it is:

Entry Test - 2005-06 (Punjab)

Candidates of Punjab Domicile, Federal Capital area, AJ&K, and Northern areas applying for admission to the First Year MBBS against open merit/Self Finance/Reserved seats (except those nominated by Economic Affair Division, Islamabad) are required to pass the Entry Test with a minimum score of 40% otherwise they will not be eligible for admission. The Entry Test will be valid for the same session only.

Schedule:


Admission Packet availability.----Sep. 05, to Sep 21, 2005.


Submission of Personal Data Sheets & Admit Cards for Entry Test----- Sep 05 to Sep 21, 2005

Date of Entry Test ------ Sunday, Oct. 02, 2005.

Declaration of Entry Test Result ---Oct 09, 2005.

Merit list as per available seats----Oct 09, 2005.

Submission of admission applications.-----Oct 13 to Oct 29, 2005.

Selection Lists ------------------Nov 12, 2005.

Eligibility:

1). Applicants having domicile of Punjab and Federal Capital Area shall be eligible to apply for admission in Government Medical and Dental Colleges of Punjab.

2). Applicants must have secured 715/1100 unadjusted marks in F.Sc. (Pre-medical) or equivalent examination (excluding the marks of Hafiz-e-Quraan).

3). Candidates are required to pass the Entry Test with a minimum of 40% marks.

4). (i) Candidates who possess qualifications equivalent to intermediate (Pre-Medical) in the subjects of Physics, Chemistry, Biology and English can apply for admission. The equivalence of qualification and calculation of marks of the candidates holding qualification other than F.Sc (pre-medical) will be determined by the Inter Board Committee of Chairmen, Islamabad. (IBCC)

(ii) The Chairman Admission Board reserves the right to scrutinize the educational documents of such applicants. In case any discrepancy is found with regard to the eligibility/ calculation of marks, of any applicant, he will refer the matter back to the IBCC for reconsideration in the light of discrepancy.

Address:Secretary IBCC (Inter Board Committee of Chairmen)

Office No. 342, Street No. 97, Sector -G-9/4
Islamabad. Ph: 051-2852041, 2851578

Fax: 051-2280665

5). The applicant should be under 26 years of age on the last date of submission of application.

6) Applicants from Azad Jammu & Kashir and Northern Areas for admission to first year MBBS/BDS shall take the Entry Test of the Punjab.

[Hkhan]

I am a pakistani born and bred in London and i tried to apply for Pakistani universities but the problem was that all of the unis wanted equivalence from IBCC. my a-level grades were AAB second time and the problem was that i didnt take physics but biology, chemistry and mathematics. is there any way possible to get into medical unis without physics needed, coz in UK the system is that you dont need physics.

[Smeer]

salam,

Hkhan, I don't think there's a way around taking physics in terms of applying to a Pakistani med. college. To my knowledge, all of them (both private and government) require completion of biology, chemistry, and physics courses (as well as English). I'm not sure how the system works in England, but maybe you should take one or two basic physics courses in what would be the equivalent of a community college in America. That way you'll be introduced to physics and the physics material that may be on the entry tests for government or private colleges in Pakistan and you'll have a transcript as proof that you've taken the course(s) as well as the grades you received in them.

[sara00]

salam Hkhan,

I'm kinda confused....are u taking about medical colleges in pak? or universities in pak? cuz both are two different things....but I have a feeling ur talking about medical colleges right?...and yeah all of them require phy as a requirement but try applying to private ones they might be flexible with u since ur an oversea student...that way u wont need to waste time taking phy course in college or uni level.

[Hkhan]

walaikum assalam

im talking about medical universities, and that is the thing...the private ones they dont even act like private unis, they dont have their own criteria, but just same thing as the government unis...need physics, biology and chemistry..doesnt matter if you are a foreign student, willing to pay more, have good grades, etc...and its not like you are asking them for something illegal or stupid. because the western system is what they always praise, yet i studied in the west and you only need chemistry and biology for medicine, the other subject can be art if you want...if anybody knows which uni or a way, please let me know.

[mahwish]

Salaam, I am also a uk student and i also did not have physics A level so i did As and A2 in 1 year. It was hard but achievable. I dont think there is a way round it as all gov medical colleges require it. I understand what you mean as in Uk they require only 2 sciences, i did psychology as my third A level.

Allah hafis and good luck

[Hkhan]

Walaikum assalam

so you in Pakistan right now? and like say if i take a-level physics and i get a C grade is that enough, or i have to get an A...coz my current grades are AAB

[mahwish]

salaam,
No i live in the UK. Well about what grade you need the higher the better but the ibcc convert all the marks. They count 5 GCSE and A Level Bio, Chm and Phy. Good Luck!

Allah hafis

[fuzpot]

hi

im uk student, is physics essential at A-level for pak admissions. I have a BSc Biology. Is there anyway that i could be eligible. Does any1 know how IBCC do the conversion, am i correct that they lower overseas grades when converting.

[sara00]

yeah its true the IBCC ppl do lower ur marks...Idont know about US and UK students but for Canadian they lower 10% of ur final average!! So for example if ur final avg was 90% in high school then it would get convereted to 80%! Not fair!!! that happened with mine too....:(

[Hkhan]

Those who did physics A-level in the UK, do they have any advice to which board is the easiest, whether ocr or edexcel?

[ayesha_87]

ocr is easier than edexcel!

[sara00]

salam,
HAPPY RAMAZAN MUBARAK to everyone!!! :) so all those who applied for this year...did anyone get in anywhere yet? they told me that hopefully by mid or end oct they will let us know....when ever u guys get in let me know!

Sara

[PakiDoc]

SARA

salaam.

Ramzan mubarak to you too and all the other muslims on ValueMD.

Allahafiz

Paki

[sara00]

w'salam

Thank you pakidoc! ... yeah ramazan mubarak to everyone not only to ppl on this thred but to everyone on valuemd! :)

Sara

[itihad]

hi

im uk student, is physics essential at A-level for pak admissions. I have a BSc Biology. Is there anyway that i could be eligible. Does any1 know how IBCC do the conversion, am i correct that they lower overseas grades when converting.

currently physics is necessary, try getting in contact with the universities directly to gain more information.

I dont think IBCC lower overseas grade when converting, but im not sure about that.

If you have good Gcses and A'levels then it should be relatively easy to get admission, providing you have fulfilled the entry requirements e.g. all 3 sciences.

[Smeer]

Salam all and Ramadan Mubarak 2 everyone,

Yes, the IBCC does lower your marks (if you've completed your education outside of Paksitan). I'm not sure exactly how much; it depends per country. Like sara was saying, for Canadian students its only 10%. The reason I say only is that from what I have read from the IBCC website, its A = 85%, B = 75%, C = 65%, etc., for the British system, and its even worse for Germany and The U.S. It says that A = 80%, B = 70%, C = 60 %, etc., for students applying after completing education through either German or American education systems. I'm not 100% sure if this is really how they convert marks, but it is to the best of my knowledge based on what I've read and heard.

[sara00]

Smeer is right...they do lower our marks...I have been through it...mahwish and faisal too and all our marks have dropped cuz of this crappy IBCC conversion! so its good to have very high marks so even if they do lower them u can still get in.

[Smeer]

Salam once again!

Entry test results have been released for the Punjab Government Medical Colleges. The competition (from what I've heard) was very very tough. In fact, I heard the entry test was really hard as well, even for those who did lots of studying and preparation.

Does anyone have any info on the "list" of those accepted on Self-Finance/Technical Asssistance base?

[sara00]

w'salam Smeer,

if you find out about the list regarding who is under technical assistance or Self finance,then try to find my name on there somewhere ;) ...cuz I'm still waiting for any news....:( ...but I dought there is such a list like that...I heard they just send each individual a letter at home saying if they got in or not cuz if there was a list then it would be like an "international" list with names of students from around the world....so thats why I dont think it exisit...but if it does Smeer then plz email me and let me know asap!!!
thanks my good friend,

Sara

[TastyViagra]

Are they still around after da earthquake?

[Smeer]

Yea fortunately none of the major medical colleges was badly effected by the quake.

[sara00]

salam,

So all u guys who applied for this year...did anyone get any response yet? ...anyone?

[sara00]

heeey salam everyone!

HAPPY HAPPY EID MUBARAK TO EVERYONE!!!:)

[Smeer]

Eid Mubarik to everyone as well!
(Khair Mubarik to you sara :) )

[miss shah]

AGHA KHAN MEDICAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
ALLAMA IQBAL MEDICAL COLLEGE ,LAHORE
BAQAI MEDICAL UNIVERSITY ,KARACHI
BOLAN MEDICAL COLLEGE,QUETTA
CHANDKA MEDICAL COLLEGE
DOW MEDICAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
FATIMA JINNAH MEDICAL COLLEGE ,LAHORE
KING EDWARD MEDICAL COLLEGE ,LAHORE
KARACHI MEDICAL & DENTAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
kHYBER MEDICAL COLLEGE ,PESHAWAR
LIAQAT MEDICAL UNIVERSITY,JAMSHORO
NISHTAR MEDICAL COLLEGE ,MULTAN
PEOPLES MEDICAL COLLEGE ,NAWABSHAH
PUNJAB MEDICAL COLLEGE ,FAISAL ABAD
QUAIDE AZAM MEDICAL COLLEGE ,BAHAWALPUR
RAWALPINDI MEDICAL COLLEGE
SIND MEDICAL COLLEGE,KARACHI
ZIAUUDDIN MEDICAL UNIVERSITY

IS AGAH KHAN univ BETTER THAN KE?

[Smeer]

That's a tough question. Both are definitely among the best: Aga Khan is the best private medical college in Pakistan while KE is the best government college. In terms of facilities, Aga Khan probably is more advanced with more state of the art technology, but the educational standards of KE might be slightly better in that it is an older school with more experienced teachers, as it is a more established and long-standing school.

[miss shah]

thanks dr sameer i appreciate ur concern :)

[miss shah]

what would u prefer if u get chance..KE OR AKU?

[suhail510]

what would u prefer if u get chance..KE OR AKU?

It really depends on what you want to do. Both schools have graduates who make it back to the United States, but the ciriculum is not exactly the same. It is my understanding that Aga Khan caters more to US students and preps better for USMLE. KE does not, because they are a
Pakistani school teaching at the Pakistan standard.

I have heard that AK is easier to get into then KE for outsiders, but is also more expensive.

If you want to come back to the US I would say AK would be a better choice, but am not saying it is the better school by any means (because i cant say which school is better).

But by no means am I an expert: just keep the cost, ciriculum, admissions policies, family and your personal goals in mind when making a decision.

[sara00]

salam,

Both med schools are grrreat! Apply to both of them and decide after u'll get in...cuz getting in is the main struggle! ;)

...by the way, Dr. Smeer ;) , ur very gooood at curing all ur patients, keep it up! :)

Sara

[miss shah]

thanks for ur concern suhail, and hey sara what u do? med?

[Smeer]

:)

hahaha thx for your compliments sara, u always make me feel so good about myself!!!

Suhail, I couldn't have said what you said better myself. It's really your choice about AKU and KE. In my opinion, if you get into KE, you've definitely worked harder and gone against better odds than AKU. But again, as Suhail said, AKU is more tuned towards those students who intend to return to the US or Britain to practice medicine. It's a tough choice, but I'd personally choose KE for 2 reasons: a. If you get in, it's AT LEAST half the price of getting into AKU (the best deal you'll get is around $1000 for you entire educational fees...that's literally 1% of what you'll pay at AKU) and b. for me, it's more convenient because most of my family lives in the Punjab province, so it would be easier to meet with them and stay in touch.

But yea it's really your own choice. As far as AKU being better for preparing you for the USMLE, no doubt it is better. On the other hand, I don't know anyone who has graduated from KE and come to America/Britain who has failed to pass such tests. The educational standards at both colleges are so high that you're ensured to be able to practice medicine abroad no matter which route you go.

Hope that helps.

--Smeer

[miss shah]

Yeah dr sameer i m agree with ya in some ways but i know some ppl who failed step3 unfortunately even during their residency. I would personally prefer KE bcz i m orignally from lahore too and wont go somewhere else if there is best college for med in my own city....and yes no doubt! its cheaper than AKU.. but i like AKU too :)

[sara00]

Everyone dreams of going to King Edward....they only take the best of the best...in other words ppl with extremly high high averages...;) ..My friend he had a 93% avg so he got into Allama Iqbal...which is really good too! so keep that in mind too...but dont hesitate to apply...sometimes luck can get u in!

Sara

[miss shah]

but i dont have any plans to go back to pak to do anything. i m fine here :) at OSU.

[sara00]

Yeah dr sameer i m agree with ya in some ways but i know some ppl who failed step3 unfortunately even during their residency. I would personally prefer KE bcz i m orignally from lahore too and wont go somewhere else if there is best college for med in my own city....and yes no doubt! its cheaper than AKU.. but i like AKU too :)

...oh ..I thought u were interested in studying back home...but good to hear ur happy at OSU...thats grrreat! Good luck! :)

Sara

[miss shah]

yeah OSU isnt bad... try to visit sometime :)

[miss shah]

where do u study anyway

[sara00]

heeey friend, ..oh ho..aap tau bura maan gay hamari batoon ka ;) ...I didnt say it was bad infact, its better to study in US/Can/UK universities then going back home cuz in the end ur degree will always be superior then any other countries around the world ...some of the reasons why students go back home to study inmedschools is cuz they think its faster and cheaper and its hard to get into med schools in Can/US/UK, but in the end they have to convert their degrees to the Western standard...and that can be very taugh!
...so thats why I'm happy for u that ur studying in a well known American University...
Wish u all the best in ur studies! :)
take care,

Sara

[miss shah]

i didnt mind at all...miss sara r u talking to me? :)

[sara00]

hehe...ur funny...the whole conversation was on u...and then u ask "are u talk to me?"...hehe

[suhail510]

Miss Shah if ur already in Ohio State why not go to a Carrib school if you dont get into a US school? Keep in mind that Pakistan has a 6 year program and you'll have to prepare yourself for the USMLE. It is expensive in the Carribs but it is another option if you already have a bachelors.

[Smeer]

Salam all,

well you can't really say how long it will take you in Pakistan. If you go straight from high school (according to American standards), you'll save yourself anywhere from 2-3+ years. It's all relative from when you go: right after high school graduation, one year after graduation, etc.

[Smeer]

Salam again,

I should have asked this in my last post but I completely forgot!!

Miss Shah, I had a question about the person you know who failed step 3 of USMLE. Do you know which school he/she graduated from? Also, I don't mean to be rude, but was this person very hard working?

I'm just trying to get an idea about how difficult it is to go abroad and then apply in America for residency. I don't mean to insult you or your friends in anyway, and I'm really sorry if I do !!!

thx
--Smeer

[miss shah]

hehe...ur funny...the whole conversation was on u...and then u ask "are u talk to me?"...hehe

u typed " app to bura man gay meri baton ka" sounds like u were talking to suhail or sameer..bcz u shud have type "gayi" heheh anyway i got ya miss sara :) and honestly didnt mind :)

[miss shah]

Miss Shah if ur already in Ohio State why not go to a Carrib school if you dont get into a US school? Keep in mind that Pakistan has a 6 year program and you'll have to prepare yourself for the USMLE. It is expensive in the Carribs but it is another option if you already have a bachelors.

suhail actually i just dont want to go in med :) Its pretty long here and other thing is i dont want to go pak now to do medicine.it will make me old :) which i dont want to be. i will do inshallah masters or phd in psychology..thats all i m thinking for now..but thanks for ur suggestion..wasnt bad at all.

[itzme]

Hey Salaam Everyone!:D I just wanted to ask if anyone has heard from the economic affairs division, pakistan, concerning foreign applicants (technical assistance/self-finance) selection for mbbs 2005. If you havent heard yet, how are we suppose to hear? Letter? E-mail? And is there a specific date? Thanks in advance! :p

[miss shah]

Salam again,

I should have asked this in my last post but I completely forgot!!

Miss Shah, I had a question about the person you know who failed step 3 of USMLE. Do you know which school he/she graduated from? Also, I don't mean to be rude, but was this person very hard working?

I'm just trying to get an idea about how difficult it is to go abroad and then apply in America for residency. I don't mean to insult you or your friends in anyway, and I'm really sorry if I do !!!

thx
--Smeer

well,smeer its ok i know its not mean or rude...i dont mind things so easily. the guy i was talking about he is my bro in law's freind i dont know him personally but he was telling that he failed it...he is doing residency in oklahoma city. He graduated from KE like my bro in law did.they were classmates. I dont really know if he is hardworking or not bcz i dont know him at all.

[itzme]

Selection List 2005 Hey Salaam Everyone!:-D I just wanted to ask if anyone has heard from the economic affairs division, pakistan, concerning foreign applicants (technical assistance/self-finance) selection for mbbs 2005. If you havent heard yet, how are we suppose to hear? Letter? E-mail? And is there a specific date? Thanks in advance! :razz:

[miss shah]

Selection List 2005 Hey Salaam Everyone!:-D I just wanted to ask if anyone has heard from the economic affairs division, pakistan, concerning foreign applicants (technical assistance/self-finance) selection for mbbs 2005. If you havent heard yet, how are we suppose to hear? Letter? E-mail? And is there a specific date? Thanks in advance! :razz:

ITZ ME, I m not sure but i think by mail..and if u dont know about it u shud call them and find out...this is the easiest and fastest way to know :)

[sara00]

heeey salam

miss shah: hehe...thats what happens when u live in Canada for toooo tooo loooong! start messing up the urdu language ;) also u know in hindi for a girl or a guy they sometimes use "gay" instead of "gayi"...too much indian movies...hehe...:oops: ...and ur right this field of medicine takes forever to complete...I dont know but seems as if somehow life gets taugher for a girl after she becomes a doctor, but for a guy its all good...

suhail510: Its not a 6 yr program in pak, only 5 yr ;) and u know what after ur done with ur 3rd yr u can take USMLE step 1 and after finishing ur 5th yr u can go the states and take step 2,and 3. This will be saving u a lot of time :) And if u compare the USMLE step 1 scores of caribbean students with those from Pakistan...caribbeans students score less cuz pak med schools are very good at teaching medicine in depth... the only good thing about caribbean med school is they have clinicals in the states, and that can help u later on with residency.

Smeer: The only part pakistani doctors do bad is when they are given a patient and they are been evaluated and the reason behind this is pakistani doctors have been trained in pakistani hospitals therefore, they don't know how American doctors treat their patients as a result they end up failing step 3. And miss shah is right...many forgien doctors do end up failing this part...that's one of the disadvantage of studying back home... :(

itzme: no news yet?? still waiting :( ...I dont know whats the matter with these EAD ppl!! they should have at least let us know if we got in or not, by emailing us or calling us or post mailing us right? I mean I emailed them like 3 times and I got no response...so like miss shah said its better to call them and ask them the status of ur application...I didnt call them cuz then they put u on hold and u end up wasting money for no reason...but I'll tell my uncle who lives in pak to call them and ask... maybe u can do the same too... get some relative from pak to call them....I pray u get in! wish u all the best! :)

Sara

[Smeer]

Salam All,

First of all I just wanted to say May Allah SWT do what's best for all you guys. I really wish the best for all of you for all of your help.

One question: How do overseas doctors go about preparing for the 3rd step of the USMLE? I mean, do the people that fail do so because they haven't prepared for the first step or simply because the patient standard is so different?

I know it's a long way before I'm actually in that position, IF i'm even in that position at all (what with all the competition these days), but I'm still curious as to if anything can be done to make the 3rd step of the USMLE easier.

thx again to everyone and good luck !

[miss shah]

well, smeer i can help u my bro-in-law going to take step 3 on 28th nov.....he said he read alot of books but now he is only reading MCQs from last few weeks he is sick of books anyMORE :) he was topper at KE. lets see how his step 3 goes..i m sure he will do it.He got up to 90s in step 1,2. r u thinking to take step smeer? or u already done?

[miss shah]

heeey salam

miss shah: hehe...thats what happens when u live in Canada for toooo tooo loooong! start messing up the urdu language ;) also u know in hindi for a girl or a guy they sometimes use "gay" instead of "gayi"...too much indian movies...hehe...:oops: ...and ur right this field of medicine takes forever to complete...I dont know but seems as if somehow life gets taugher for a girl after she becomes a doctor, but for a guy its all good...

Sara

And sara come on its ur own language...dont compare to hindi :) and dont watch tooo much indian movies...werna jo ati bhi hay wo bhi bhool jaogi "URDU":)

[miss shah]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERY1 :)

[sara00]

W'salam

hehe...miss shah hum bhool-nau may say nahi hain! ;) aur vo bi apni zubaan..kabi nahi!...dont worry I'm working on my urdu...now I know how to write some, some and read some, some too!

..and just to let u know... Dr. Smeer is a very very busy doctor...he's done with step 1 currently studying for step 2 and thinking very very hard for step 3...theek kaha Dr.Smeer? ;)

Sara

[miss shah]

W'salam

hehe...miss shah hum bhool-nau may say nahi hain! ;) aur vo bi apni zubaan..kabi nahi!...dont worry I'm working on my urdu...now I know how to write some, some and read some, some too!

..and just to let u know... Dr. Smeer is a very very busy doctor...he's done with step 1 currently studying for step 2 and thinking very very hard for step 3...theek kaha Dr.Smeer? ;)

Sara

sounds like u r big fan of mahatma gandhi.. :) y not quaid-azam? :P

[sara00]

HAHAHAHA! Mahatma Ghandi's my boyfriend ;) ...an amazing wise man!

[miss shah]

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[miss shah]

o really still? :)well, i got ur taste now :) but i thought u guys broke up long time ago:)

[miss shah]

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[hijabimd]

Salaaam to all, nice to see the paki section

[sara00]

w'salam to u too hijabimd, and welcome!! :) ...feel free to post ur opinions here...any time...24/7!

miss shah: ...broke up??..no way!!...together forever! :lol: :lol: :lol: ...u know Quaid-e-Azam is better looking than my boldy man, but if Ghandi didn't come , we wouldn't have Quaid-e-Azam today! ;)

Sara

[Smeer]

Salam all and welcome hijabimd!

Yea I agree with sara. I don't think that Pakistanis should dislike Gandhi just because he's Hindu or Indian. I myself am a firm Muslim from Pakistan, but I don't take it as an insult or a disgrace to view remarkable people such as Gandhi in high esteem.

Along the same lines I think what Qaid-e-Azam did was remarkable as well. All I'm trying to say is that both men have their place, and seeing the intentions of both men as best in their own views, I respect them both.

Good people aren't necessarily good because of what they believe, but often more so because of what they do.

[sara00]

w'salam,

The last line u just said Smeer...very powerful!

Sara

[Smeer]

thx sara! It took me forever to come up with it!

[miss shah]

well, dr smeer we were just joking around :) did i ever say i hate gandhi or i dont like him bcz he is hindu or indian...come onn...i m v tierd right now bcz i got home from Manhattan NY a while ago..chill out ppl!!!

[miss shah]

hey we cant edit anymore...thats not good :)

[Smeer]

Salam all!

I'm really really srry miss shah. I didn't direct that comment at you, or at least I didn't mean to. I was just talking in general. It's just that there are so many Pakistanis, and I don't mean people like you and me who are more open-minded, but even some of my relatives who don't "see it as a good thing" to respect people like Gandhi who aren't Muslim or who are Hindus.

Again I'm really really sorry if it seemed like I was trying to put you down or direct it at you miss shah. That's not what I was trying to do. I just had all that stored up inside me and I was waitin for the right time to "let it all out" hahahah. Sara gave me the right time so I let it out!

I hope you're feeling better miss shah, and I hope you enjoyed your stay at Manhattan; I'd love to go there one day too!

[Smeer]

I feel like such a jerk now :oops: :oops: :oops:
I'm really sorry once again !!! :(

[miss shah]

its ok dr smeer...no hard feelings :) o yeah manhattan is a nice place to visit, i went to see a girl for brother with my mom and dad and she is also taking step 3 and interviews for residency...she is sweet and things will defininitely work out inshallah. but to be honest i dont like manhattan to live but its good only for visit...thats my personal opinion about it.i think manhattan and lahore's traffic is pretty same and i hate it :) and desies look at girls like they never saw girl b4.....thats really funny to me...

[sara00]

heey salam guys!

oh ho..Dr.Smeer aap nai naraz kar diya tha miss shah ko :( , ..heey miss shah never take Dr. Smeer's words to heart,....just kabi kabi vo soch na boul ja ta hai! ;) ...laikin vo, dil kay bohaat achai hai!

[miss shah]

o no no :) i m not naraz at all. Oh yeah! sara i m agree with ya.....he seems a great guy..no doubt!

[itzme]

:confused: Ok, so this has gone from a med school forum to a telling ure life story discussion. What is going on?:confused:

[sara00]

hehehe....yeah I know itzme...I was thinking the same too...hehe...thats why I didnt say anything...good u said something...yeah I wanna know whats up with this life telling story miss shah?? (allhamdulilah we are all very happy that u found a wonderful sister-in-law, may she be a blessing for ur home, Ameen) but lets try to keep these forum for medical stuff...I dont mind jokes here and there but lets not get too personal here ..come on or else these will turn into some "so lets hear what's happening in YOUR life" type of forums ;)
thank you kindly...everyone!

Sara

[miss shah]

aright ppl i m sorry about that......carry on!

[ayesha_87]

[quote=sara00]hehehe....yeah I know itzme...I was thinking the same too...hehe...thats why I didnt say anything...good u said something...yeah I wanna know whats up with this life telling story miss shah?? (allhamdulilah we are all very happy that u found a wonderful sister-in-law, may she be a blessing for ur home, Ameen) but lets try to keep these forum for medical stuff...I dont mind jokes here and there but lets not get too personal here ..come on or else these will turn into some "so lets hear what's happening in YOUR life" type of forums ;)
thank you kindly...everyone!

HEHEHEH...i totally agree wid u......

[itzme]

:) lol i'm glad i speak for more than just myself. so anyone any news yet?

[itzme]

hey guys!

miss shah- if u dont mind my asking, if i'm not mistakened u said u aren't interested in applying to med schools in pakistan, so then why this forum?:confused:

[miss shah]

well, itzme 1st u said i shud stop talking about life and stuff i was fine with it. and now u saying indirectly that i shud not join this forum bcz i m not into medicine. well, i m doing pre dental and psychology (senior yr) at ohio state univ and i think its also related to med. right?

[miss shah]

so plz let me stay here... :) bari meherbani ho gi app ki...

[sara00]

salam!

what's going on here?? miss shah...itzme was just wondering what u were doing in pakistani medical forums since ur not even interested...cuz we usually talk about pak medical boring stuff ;) and we hardly socialize as in fun stuff or throwing jokes here and there...its always serious here...thats why itzme was thinking why u came here....but ur always welcome to stay...and help out students with ur knowledge, its a very good deed!... and no need to ask permission to stay...its not like we own them..saab kai hai...apna samjo! :)

[itzme]

Ok, so u obviously took what I said the wrong way. I am not questioning why you are here I am just asking what sparked ure interest in this forum. I mean if I wasnt planning on applying to medical schools in paksitan then I wouldn't join a medical forum for Pakistani Med Schools. Thats just me. But I are very glad to have ure input on questions and experiences. It is very nice to have you give ure input on everything u have to offer with all ure knowledge. And as far as the personal life story- i didnt mean i dont want u talking about yourself, i just didnt understand what ure personal life has to do with pakistani medical schools. i do not mean this in a bad way, i'm just saying i dont get it. it very nice to hear that ure pre-dental at OSU. and I also love psychology. Wish u the best with everything. And the last thing u said about talking about yourself, there is a difference between talking about ure personal life and talking about ure academic life. I would rather share information about my academic life so i could mayb help someone out there or share experience and information that I have gained over time. But that is just how i feel. Everyone is different. Everyone is entitled to feel a different way. I hope u havent taken anything i've said in a hurtful way, that is not how i intended it.
Take care.

[sara00]

Salam everyone!

miss shah: I told u, itzme didnt mean it the other way...always think positive! ;)

ayesha_87: Hey gurl, did u applied to pak med school for this year? Did u get in anywhere yet? any news...:(

[itzme]

Salaam Everyone!!

Hope everyone is doing well. You all must be stressed out with finals coming up. So who applied as a foreign student? Has anyone gotten in/ heard anything?

Take care! :D

[sara00]

w'salam,

Guess what... governement med school starts on dec 1 in pak...so I think we all got our answers :( ....but sumtimes if some students dont show up, then they call the next one in row...and that can take like 2 weeks...so there still 0.000000000001% hope! ;)

[itzme]

Dec 1? I though they start in Jan?

[sara00]

really??...hmm...some guy was telling me they started in dec...I'm talking about punjab med schools...I'm not 100% sure but I'll ask my other friend who can found for the real date...and then I'll get back u to sooon...

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Hey everyone long time not chat! I'm here to bully around more people again! (hahah I'm just kidding, once again I'm REALLY REALLY sorry to anyone that I've hurt.)

I just spent like 10 minutes reading the 2 pages i missed out on....and...

I totally agree we should get back to the whole medical school aspect instead of our life stories. I think the only reason we started on that stuff was because we basically got all of our answers and all we could do was wait and twiddle our fingers and see what came out. We were bored!

Anyway, I also heard med. schools in pak. start around January. I'm not 100% sure but I'll double check as well.

If anyone has any REAL questions or needs help, feel free to butt into our ''personal conversations.'' They're just there to pass time. People like sara, miss shah, ayesha, itzme, and I are totally open to questions and would totally be willing to answer any questions you guys have. We've been doing our research ;)

Nice to talk to you guys once again. Take care. Sorry for the long delays in posts I have (and for the really long posts). I've been really busy this year and I think I've overloaded my class schedule :confused:

Keep in touch!!

[itzme]

Punjab Medical Colleges begin in January. During the first week, most probably Jan 3ish. So anyone starting in Jan 2006? Congrats if you are!!:D

[sara00]

alrighty itzme.. then we'll go with ur words....so Jan...hmm...thats goood! ;)

[itzme]

KEMC classes began on Dec 1
All other punjab medical colleges will begin before Jan 1 (whatever that means)

[itzme]

any thoughts on peoples medical college nawabshah?

[sara00]

heey salam,

so itzme...my friend was right...I kept telling him "no ur lying!!!" and he was like "no no trust me they start on dec 1"...hehe...u know even Allama Iqbal started on dec 1...so wouldnt that mean all punjab med schools started on dec 1? :confused:

Anyways...nice to hear they started....I guess no hope now....;)

The following is a little advice is for all students applying for next year:

In order to get into pak med schools u need to do three things:
step 1: STUDY HARD!!!
step 2: STUDY HARD!!!
step 3: STUDY HARD!!!

if still there's someone out there who doesnt get any of the following steps ..all it means is try to get ur avg in 90% even in 80% is not good enough if ur applying under technical assistance program. Students are now competiting from around the world!!!!! Also lets say u do have a good avg which is in 80% but once u convert ur marks from the IBCC place then u'll see they will lower ur marks by 10%-20% depending on ur location (Can -10%, US -20%, UK -10%) I'm telling u guys dont chill at school...do that once u get in!! study day and night as if u have no life and get those high marks if u really really really want to make ur dream a reality! ;)

Learn from ppl's mistakes! ...so that u dont make them in ur life! :)

Hope this will help,
take care,

Sara

[sara00]

any thoughts on peoples medical college nawabshah?

I think its a good school..its very old since 1974 and recognized all over the world too, its in the WHO and IMED directory too...sounds grrreat to me! :)

....so u got into this med school itzme?

Sara

[itzme]

Yeah, one of my friends did. Its been around for a while and its well established. But its in Sindh not Punjab. But would you prefer a school in Sindh vs. Private schools in Punjab? Just trying to help her out. Any other thoughts anyone? Did anyone from this forum get in this year?:rolleyes:

[sara00]

thats nice of u helping her out...well if I was in her place I'll rather go to that Sindh medical school than a private one in punjab because all these private medical colleges are fairly new therefore not much recognized around the world...and as a result its risky ...esp if she is deciding to come back to the states. Well, here's all the recognized med schools in pak...she can do more research on any of the ones she is interested in going to.


RECOGNITION STATUS OF MEDICAL/DENTAL COLLEGES

The status of recognition of Medical & Dental Colleges in Public and Private sector with PM&DC notified for the information & guidance of the public in general and intending medical students in particular:-




PUNJAB
Public Sector



1.Allama Iqbal Medical College, Lahore.Recognized. Allowed to admit 250 MBBS students per year.
2.Army Medical College, Rawalpindi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.amcollege.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 150 MBBS students per year.
3.Fatima Jinnah Medical College, Lahore.Recognized. Allowed to admit 250 MBBS students per year.
4.King Edward Medical College, Lahore. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.kemc.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 260 MBBS students per year.
5.Nishtar Medical College, Multan. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://nmc.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 250 MBBS students per year.
6.Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.pmc.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 250 MBBS students per year.
7.Quaid-e-Azam Medical College, Bahawalpur. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://qmc.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 250 MBBS students per year.
8.Rawalpindi Medical College, Rawalpindi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.rmc.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 250 MBBS students per year.
9.de'Montmorency College of Dentistry, Lahore.Recognized. Allowed to admit 80 BDS students per year.
10.Dental Section, Nishtar Medical College, Multan. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.nmc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally Recognized. Allowed to admit 50 BDS students per year.
11.Dental Section, Army Medical College, Rawalpindi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.amcollege.edu.pk/');)Provisionally Recognized. Allowed to admit 25 BDS students per year.
12.Services Institute of Medical Sciences, Lahore.Provisionally Recognized. Allowed to admit 100 MBBS students per year.

Private Sector


1.F.M.H College of Medicine & Dentistry, Lahore. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.fmhospital.org/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 70 MBBS students per year.
2.Dental Section, F.M.H College of Medicine & Dentistry, Lahore (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://fmhospital.org/');).Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 25 BDS students per year.
3.Foundation University Medical College, Rawalpindi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.foundation.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 100 MBBS students per year.
4.Islamic International Medical College, Rawalpindi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.iimc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 100 MBBS students per year.
5.Dental Section, Islamic International Medical College, Rawalpindi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.iimc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 BDS students per year.
6.Lahore Medical & Dental College, Lahore. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.lmc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 100 MBBS students per year.
7.Dental Section, Lahore Medical & Dental College, Lahore. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.lmc.edu.pk/');) Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 BDS students per year.
8.Shifa College of Medicine, Islamabad. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.shifacollege.edu/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.
9.Margalla College of Dentistry, Rawalpindi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.margalla.com/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 25 BDS students per year.
10.Wah Medical College, Wah Cantt. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://wahmedicalcollege.edu.pk/');)Provisionally Recognized. Allowed to admit 100 MBBS students per year.
11.Faculty of Health Sciences/University of Faisalabad, Faisalabad. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.tuf.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.


SINDH




Public Sector
1.Chandka Medical College, Larkana.Recognized. Allowed to admit 250 MBBS students per year.
2.Dow University of Health Sciences, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.dmc.edu/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 300 MBBS students per year.
3.Karachi Medical & Dental College, Karachi (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.kmdc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.
4.Dental Section, Karachi Medical & Dental College, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.kmdc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 25 BDS students per year.
5.Liaquat University of Medical & Health Sciences , Jamshoro. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.lumhs.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 300 MBBS students per year.
6.Dental College, Liaquat University of Medical & Health Sciences/L.M.C, Jamshoro. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.lumhs.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 50 BDS students per year.
7.Peoples Medical College for Girls, Nawabshah (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.pmcnsh.pk/');).Recognized. Allowed to admit 100 MBBS students per year.
8.Sindh Medical College, Karachi.Recognized. Allowed to admit 300 MBBS students per year.

Private Sector
1.Aga Khan University Medical College, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.aku.edu/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 100 MBBS students per year.
2.Baqai Medical College, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.baqai.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 100 MBBS students per year.
3.Baqai Dental College, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.baqai.edu.pk/');) Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 25 BDS students per year.
4.Fatima Jinnah Dental College, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.fjdc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally Recognized. Allowed to admit 50 BDS students per year.
5.Faculty of Medicine & Allied Medical Sciences/Isra University, Hyderabad. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.isra.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 100 MBBS students per year.
6.Hamdard College of Medicine & Dentistry, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.hamdard.edu/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 100 MBBS students per year.
7.Dental Section, Hamdard College of Medicine & Dentistry, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.hamdard.edu/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 25 BDS students per year.
8.Jinnah Medical & Dental College, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.jmc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.
9.Dental Section, Jinnah Medical & Dental College, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.jmc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 BDS students per year.
10.Sir **** College of Medical Sciences for Girls, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.sscms.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.
11.Ziauddin Medical College, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.zmc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.
12.Liaquat College of Medicine &Dentistry, Karachi.Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 BDS students per year.
13.Altamash College of Dental Medicine, Karachi. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.altamash.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 BDS students per year.
14.Muhammad Medical College, Mirpurkhas.Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.


N.W.F.P.




Public Sector
1.Ayub Medical College, Abbottabad. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.ayubmed.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 200 MBBS students per year.
2.Dental Section, Ayub Medical College, Abbottabad. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://ayubmed.edu.pk/');)Provisionally Recognized. Allowed to admit 25 BDS students per year.
3.Khyber Medical College, Peshawar. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.kmc.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 250 MBBS students per year.
4.Khyber College of Dentistry, Peshawar. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.kmc.edu.pk/');)Recognized. Allowed to admit 50 BDS students per year.
5.Saidu Medical College, Swat. smcadmn@yahoo.com (http://by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?mailto=1&msg=MSG1133849023.13&start=288466&len=58744&src=&type=x&to=smcadmn@yahoo.com&cc=&bcc=&subject=&body=&curmbox=F000000001&a=c063b9e9b1496f94bb2c460ea5fc0554177d161ca085b309 1ce0a1928da85d4f) Provisionally Recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.
6.Gomal Medical College, D.I.Khan.Provisionally Recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.

Private Sector
1.Frontier Medical College, Abbottabad. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.fmc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.
2.Kabir Medical College/GIMS, Peshawar. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.gandhara.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.
3.Sardar Begum Dental College (for BDS). (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.gandhara.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allow to admit 25 BDS students per year.
4.Women Medical College, Abbottabad. (http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.wmc.edu.pk/');)Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 50 MBBS students per year.


BALUCHISTAN
Public Sector
1.Bolan Medical College, Quetta.Recognized. Allowed to admit 250 MBBS students per year.
2.Dental Section, Bolan Medical College, Quetta.Provisionally recognized. Allowed to admit 25 BDS students per year.

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Hope this helps,


Sara

[itzme]

Thanks! Dude, why are we the only ones talking on this forum? Finals! lol take care- best of luck:p

[miss shah]

Aright ppl i m back...i had stupid finals u know...anyway will try to keep in touch...Adios

[sara00]

heey salam friendzzz, (oh look miss shah is back itzme...so we wont be the only one talking nomore... :) )

I just found out that on dec 1 the EAD ppl mailed (by post) letters of acceptance to those students who will be enrolling in med school for this year. So by this week or begining of next week ppl should be getting sumthing in the mail...and my aunt was telling me that sumtimes there are some forgein students who get in but dont come cuz they have already enrolled in universities at their place so they refuse to come so as a result the EAD ppl take the next student in line...and this process can take up to 3 months!!! --new information! :) (I didnt know that either!)

Sara

[itzme]

:confused: Hey salaam everyone! So what I dont understand is that if we do get in we can start say 2 weeks to 3months after the session has started and thats ok? how does that work? i mean we still have to book tickets, get there, settle and start school. so its ok if we're two weeks-3 months into the session? wouldnt it be better if we sent our applications before and they told us at least a month in advance and then we came and started with everyone else? i mean there are not THAT many foreign student admitted to each school, maby 2-4 so they just let them be behind? and missing class is ok? :rolleyes:

[itzme]

Salaam, ok sorry for freaking in the last post, but as u can tell i am one of those kids who does not like missing a day of schools because i'm afraid i've missed to much. newai, now what i'm hearing from a lot of ppl (US/Pakistan) is that it really doesnt matter anymore if you are getting your MD degree from a private school or a public school. I am specifically talking about Baqai (karachi) Shifa(islamabad) and Lahore Medical & Dental (Lahore). i know a lot of ppl who have chosen to go to these three schools in the past 2 years. even though these schools are relatively new why are ppl chosing them? well when i looked into it if you graduate from Baqai you get a MD degree from the University of Karachi, if you graduate from Lahore Medical and Dental you get a degree from the University of Health Sciences Lahore and if you go to Shifa you will get a Bahria University, (http://www.bci.edu.pk/) degree. so? if you go to any med school in punjab u get a university of punjab degree. now what is it? they are all recognized by the PMDC so is it merit? quality of living? preference or establishment or name? ure still getting a degree rite? so i bring up again public or private? and how much of a factor is it?

[sara00]

w'salam,

I know what u mean...ur right even missing one day sumtimes feel as if we missed so much but thats how the pak system is...what can we do..even dough forgeiners are the first one to submit their application yet are the last one to be called..in my opinion we should be the first one to know cuz we are the ones who will be coming from a different country and we need time like u said to get settle, and get use to the environment. But these EAD ppl...dont know what's up with them...but that how it works...:(

Also regarding private and government...well they are very similar but u see when u go to the states only the really old medical schools are recognized there I mean to get residency to not a big deal but to get ur licensure thats a different story...so its can be risky..but usually as long as ur school is recognized around the world u should be fine...i think....

Sara

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Yea I totally agree w/sara. There isn't much difference between public vs. private in the long run. Private schools are more expensive, but in cases such as Agha Khan, they prepare you for overseas exams for licensure like the USMLE. On the other hand, public schools are way cheaper. They have high educational standards, and its very rare that you won't pass international licensure exams if you study even though there aren't specific preparations for it in public colleges.

The only shady part about private colleges, in the case that you plan on returning to the United States, you should make sure that the private colleges are recognized at BOTH the state and national levels. Since I live in California, I checked out the ''official'' California website that lists the schools which are recognized by California's medicine board, and to my surprise, it was mostly Pakistani government colleges and very few private ones such as Agha Khan and Baqai. That's why you should always check.

What's making me really curious now is your latest research, itzme. If individual private colleges issue different degrees, then practically it shouldn't matter where you graduate from. I can see why you're confused...

Just to be on the safe side though, I would consider only those officially recognized colleges (either private or government) and not take the chance with some of the smaller, less established ''shady'' colleges.

All in all, I guess it would be easier to look at the private vs. public as a matter of safety or risk. Aga Khan and all the government colleges are pretty safe. Shifa and others lean towards the safe side, but since they haven't been around long might be kind of risky. I guess it's really a matter of opinion and how much confidence you really have in these schools.

[sara00]

w'salam,

just to let u guys know...some private med school in pak are cheaper than studying as self finance in some governement med school cuz in someprivate med schools u can applyas a oversea pakitani if uhave some pakitani national ideantity (passport or those identity card...forget what they are called)...so all those applying to pak med schools next year dont only apply to government med schools but also apply to private ones too (95% of the time u'll get into private med school if ur an oversea student..no make that 98% if u have all the requirements)...thats only if u really really wanna studyin in pak! I have posted the list for all the private med schools that are recognized by the pak but not sure if they are also recognized by the IMED directory...u guys can check which one ur interested in...

Sara

[Noodle_09]

oops..............

[azskeptic]

If you were thinking of transfering credits into a Pakistan med school you might want to check with the Board to see if they recognize the school outside Pakistan

http://www.pmdc.org.pk/

[yorkgal21]

hey guys,

Does anyone know if foreign students have to give a entry test for DOW or SIND (government universities).,

[sara00]

heey there,

If u apply as a forgeiner than u wont need to write an entry exam....so dont worry...u'll be fine...

Sara

[Smeer]

Salam everyooone

Everyone's so quiet now!!!

We need some more questions/ideas/thoughts to keep this thread alive!!!

Your comments/thoughts/questions would be much appreciated ^_^

[Smeer]

Salam everyone (those of you still around this thread lol),

I finally have a new question!! It came to me when I was looking at the application you submit to the IBCC to get your grades evaluated. It asks to attatch "AP College Board results." Do these results figure into their calculations of your overall marks or is the conversion made solely on the basis of report card/transcript grades?

[sara00]

w'salam,

U just need ur transcript and other documents such as passport photo copies, etc....by the way hope ur studying hard in school and getting high marks!!! ;) cuz all they do is convert ur marks and based on that u get selected...u guys wanna know what happend with me...I called the EAD ppl and since my IBCC marks were convereted LATE they didnt except my application...so now its in the waiting list!!! :( ...oh well....I'll try for 2006 and this time I'll also apply to some private ones too...the only reason I didnt apply was cuz of money...but I just realized that if i study in Canada it would cost me 10x more in med school (if I get in ..which is like -10000% chances..hehe:rolleyes: )...so I guess pak med schools are better money wise....

Sara

[Anthony Thomasson]

Are there English based 4 yr medical programs in Pakistan? If so, what are the schools? Thank You.

[sara00]

salam,

First of all...very very happy new year to everyone..May this new year bring happiness and be a great blessing for everyone! :)

Anthony Thomasson: Yeah all the med schools in pakistan are english based and its a 5yr program...and the names of all the med school in pakistan can be found in this thrend ...just click on my name and u'll find all my previous post and in one of them I have listed all the med school and u can check them out...or go back few posts and u'll find it there....

Sara

[Anthony Thomasson]

Thank you for your reply Sara! And a happy, and successful new year to you! Tell me, are foreign students accepted to the programs in Pakistan? Do you know of any students that have transferred into any of these programs?

Many Thanks!

[Smeer]

:D :D :D Happy New Year!::D :D :D

[sara00]

Thank you for your reply Sara! And a happy, and successful new year to you! Tell me, are foreign students accepted to the programs in Pakistan? Do you know of any students that have transferred into any of these programs?

Many Thanks!

heey friend,

Yeah many forgien students from around the world go to pak and study there....and nowdays comepition is soooo mcuh too...so in others words in order to get into some of the best med schools like King Edward, Allama Iqbal, DOW,Aga Khan, ...u need good marks! But usually in private med schools such as Lahore medical and dental, baquai, shifa...they are much eisier to get in than government med schools...cuz government med schools are all based on marks...

By the way, any quaestions feel free to post 24/7, and we'll all try to guide u well! :)

Sara

[yorkgal21]

i do believe that most med schools in pakistan are instructed in English. you should check out their websites for more details. :)

[miss shah]

Happy New Yr Every1...sorry For Being Late :)

[jamalhurrice]

salam........

[jamalhurrice]

Salam .... i have a quick question... To apply to pakistani schools, how early do u have to apply... i currently live in Canada and was just seekin help on the procedure of applying to private and public medical schools in ppakistan
ANy help will be appreciated
Jazakalllah

[sara00]

heeey w'Salam friend,

To apply as a forgeiner to pakistani medical colleges...there are two ways...depends on where ur applying... to govenment colleges or private ones.

If ur applying to a private college such as Aga Khan, Baquai, Shifa, etc..then u need to contact them directly maybe through there website and most likely u'll find their application forms there.

If ur applying to government colleges such as King, Allama, Fatima, DOW, kybre, nishter, rawalpindi, etc... then u need to go to the nearest pak embassy in ur area and ask for the application if not then go to the EAD (economic affair division)'s website (uder students apply to pak med colleges) and there they have the application online so u can fill that out and send it to them before mid of aug, 2006 but in order to send the application u need to also submit ur IBCC converted marks. To get ur marks converted to need to check out the IBCC website and there u'll find all the requirements such as how they need a transcript of ur high school marks in a sealed envelopp by ur school and also I think the fee is about $75 US and u also need to send them some other documents such as photos, photocopy of ur passport, etc...u'll find everything on the IBCC website. So after recieving ur converted marks then send ur application to the EAD place also even if ur marks are not in by mid of aug do send in ur application and send ur marks later on... And the advantage to apply this way is that u wont need to write the entry exam and u can apply as technical assistance or as self finanace ....depending on ur marks is where they will place u...good marks =good college...
also do keep in mind that when ur marks will be converted depending on the location where u live, ur marks will be reduced for example American students get lowered -20%, Canadian's -10% and Brithish -10%...so its better to get high marks in high school so even if they do lower them u'll still be able to get in sumewhere...

Hope this helps... wish u all the best! need any help...always welcome! :)

take care,

Sara

[zan]

Hi I just got accepted to med school in Pakistan to Liaquat University of Health Medical Sciences in Jomshoro. My ibcc marks were 773/1100. There is a Dr in Jacksonville who went to Liaquat, thats where i graduated from high school Paxon School for Advanced Studies with a 3.7 gpa. I'm trying to transfer to another school in Pakistan (DOW, Sindh or some school in Punjab). I lived in America basically my whole life except 1 yr in Pakistan when i was small. Pakistan is a lot different from America, and alot more Political. Right now I have Eid vacation will go back around January 20th. The student body is highly organized, they have these small political factions they form and ask the school for demands (we wanna go to Maree on your buses or want more labs), and if the school dosen't meet there demands then they shut the school down for the day. If you goto a Pakistani med school DON"T JOIN THESE GROUPS. I think Liaquat has more of these politics going on then other schools, but nonetheless. Well they can tell im American becuase I can speak urdu fluetly, but i guess by my accent. The top questions I get Are you urdu speaking? (what is ur mother tounge) What is ur caste? No offense but ppl in Sindh except Karachi (karachi to me isnt really considered part of sindh for me) But ppl in Sindh aren't that fond of Punjabi ppl, for my first question i tell them im Urdu speaking, even tough my mother tounge is Punjabi, I dont wanna tell them im Punjabi becuase they dont like Punjabi ppl that much. But I asked a kid what they have against punjabi ppl, he said many years ago they didnt like Punjabi ppl that much, but that has changed now. I dont wanna take the chance, but Im trying to transfer to another university. Also the Sr students i guess bully the 1st year students for xample the 2nd yr stdents made the 1st yr stdent get in a line like a train and walk around where the girls were sitting. Then a girl told a 3rd yr student and then the 3rd yr student told the 2nd yr student and they got in an arguement. Just wish me luck on my tranfer and if u have any suggestions on transferring. Im in

[zan]

Hi I just got accepted to med school in Pakistan to Liaquat University of Health Medical Sciences in Jomshoro. My ibcc marks were 773/1100. There is a Dr in Jacksonville who went to Liaquat, thats where i graduated from high school Paxon School for Advanced Studies with a 3.7 gpa. I'm trying to transfer to another school in Pakistan (DOW, Sindh or some school in Punjab). I lived in America basically my whole life except 1 yr in Pakistan when i was small. Pakistan is a lot different from America, and alot more Political. Right now I have Eid vacation will go back around January 20th. The student body is highly organized, they have these small political factions they form and ask the school for demands (we wanna go to Maree on your buses or want more labs), and if the school dosen't meet there demands then they shut the school down for the day. If you goto a Pakistani med school DON"T JOIN THESE GROUPS. I think Liaquat has more of these politics going on then other schools, but nonetheless. Well they can tell im American becuase I can speak urdu fluetly, but i guess by my accent. The top questions I get Are you urdu speaking? (what is ur mother tounge) What is ur caste? No offense but ppl in Sindh except Karachi (karachi to me isnt really considered part of sindh for me) But ppl in Sindh aren't that fond of Punjabi ppl, for my first question i tell them im Urdu speaking, even tough my mother tounge is Punjabi, I dont wanna tell them im Punjabi becuase they dont like Punjabi ppl that much. But I asked a kid what they have against punjabi ppl, he said many years ago they didnt like Punjabi ppl that much, but that has changed now. I dont wanna take the chance, but Im trying to transfer to another university. Also the Sr students i guess bully the 1st year students for xample the 2nd yr stdents made the 1st yr stdent get in a line like a train and walk around where the girls were sitting. Then a girl told a 3rd yr student and then the 3rd yr student told the 2nd yr student and they got in an arguement. Just wish me luck on my tranfer and if u have any suggestions on transferring. Im in Faisalabad right now for eid break.

Also when do u recommend i take my usmle step 1 exams i just started my 1st yr.

[sara00]

heeey salam friend,

oh nooo u seem so unhappy....frist of all, about writing ur USMLE step one that u can onlywrite after ur 3rd year so dont worry about that now u still got time...

And about these politic things yeah I heard that too many times....ur right one should stay away from such organizations, esp it not good for forgeiners infact when ur applying u need to sign stating that u will not participate in any demonstrations or else they will expel u from the school. I remember I signed that at the end of my application....

Ur right, these seniors love to tease first year students...they have nothing better to do in life!!!...esp forgeiners....but u know what myfriend dont worry be strong and hang in there...I pray that may Allah always help u and keep u happy (Ameen)

Also I PM u...maybe a friend of mine can help u get transfered....its hard...but I'll try for u....

take care, enjoy ur eid holidays!

Sara

[jamalhurrice]

Saalam
what is technical assistance. i knw tht self finance is where u pay alot of money fr ur seat. ur help is appreciated sarah
wassalam

[zan]

Ya your right, I remember signing on my admission Paper that I cant participate in this organizations or I will be expelled. Also they made me notorize that signature, to make sure it was legit. Inshallah Ill be a MBBS Dr in 5 yrs

[miss shah]

i have a question....does any1 know what is good score for DAT?

[eagle]

Hello everyone,
I hav so many questions.
I want to apply to AKU this yr. (2006-Happy New Year). I've done honors in my Candian high school. How do I apply for Aga Khan? They want foreigners to do SAT 1 tests, but that's for Americans.
If any1 who applied frm Canada and got in, what were your high school marks ranging from?
Why do they decrease our marks? Courses in HS were tuff, such as Algebra. They want 85+% from us and only 65+% from Pak. schools. :S
How is the experience in AKU? Is it a drastic change from Canada to a Pakistani educational system?
Plus add any other info. you can give. That'd be wonderful. Thanks in advance.

[sara00]

hey there,

zan: All the best! study well!

jamalhurrice: tech assis program is when u pay in pak rupees and u pay the same as a pakistani student who lives in pak, in other words, its about $600 per year, extremly cheap!!!! but in order to get into that category u need extremly high marks in 90s and seats are very limited too...

eagle: hey I'm thinking of pplying too...if u find the answer do let me know...are u from uft? I have feeling I know u....;)

Sara

[zan]

if i could give ppl advice applying to med school in Pakistan and there still in High school. Take the easiest classes in High School, and take ur chem, physics and bio class. Because the IBCC ppl dont care if you took honors classes or not and what kind of high school u went to. I went to a magnet school which was 3rd in the nation for high schools all the classes were honors. They dont care what school you went to, so I recommend u go to the easiest school that you can. Also as soon as u graduate convert ur marks in Islamabad to IBCC, through the embassy because if you give it to them direct like me, they will take a long time and will give u all these excuses on why it hasnt been coverted yet. Also try to mail ur application in the Middle or Beginnig of August to Economic affairs (for gov colleges) Im not sure with Private becuae they all have there own dates. Wish my luck at Liaquaut Medical College.

Zan

[eagle]

eagle: hey I'm thinking of pplying too...if u find the answer do let me know...are u from uft? I have feeling I know u....;)

Sara

all i hav to say is that the world i small. But in this case, tooo small :D

[sara00]

salam all,

heey thanks for ur advice zan and for sharing ur experience with all of us...by the way tell us ...how u find living there? food? weather? students and prof? things u like, dislike, etc...let us know...we are all very excited u hear ur experiences....

by the way egale....hehehe...I still cant believe its YOU!!(lunch was grrreat today! dont forget to tell ur mom she's soo good at cooking!:) )....our world is getting tooooo small nowdays....;)

[Skipper]

Hi I just got accepted to med school in Pakistan to Liaquat University of Health Medical Sciences in Jomshoro. My ibcc marks were 773/1100. There is a Dr in Jacksonville who went to Liaquat, thats where i graduated from high school Paxon School for Advanced Studies with a 3.7 gpa. I'm trying to transfer to another school in Pakistan (DOW, Sindh or some school in Punjab). I lived in America basically my whole life except 1 yr in Pakistan when i was small. Pakistan is a lot different from America, and alot more Political. Right now I have Eid vacation will go back around January 20th. The student body is highly organized, they have these small political factions they form and ask the school for demands (we wanna go to Maree on your buses or want more labs), and if the school dosen't meet there demands then they shut the school down for the day. If you goto a Pakistani med school DON"T JOIN THESE GROUPS. I think Liaquat has more of these politics going on then other schools, but nonetheless. Well they can tell im American becuase I can speak urdu fluetly, but i guess by my accent. The top questions I get Are you urdu speaking? (what is ur mother tounge) What is ur caste? No offense but ppl in Sindh except Karachi (karachi to me isnt really considered part of sindh for me) But ppl in Sindh aren't that fond of Punjabi ppl, for my first question i tell them im Urdu speaking, even tough my mother tounge is Punjabi, I dont wanna tell them im Punjabi becuase they dont like Punjabi ppl that much. But I asked a kid what they have against punjabi ppl, he said many years ago they didnt like Punjabi ppl that much, but that has changed now. I dont wanna take the chance, but Im trying to transfer to another university. Also the Sr students i guess bully the 1st year students for xample the 2nd yr stdents made the 1st yr stdent get in a line like a train and walk around where the girls were sitting. Then a girl told a 3rd yr student and then the 3rd yr student told the 2nd yr student and they got in an arguement. Just wish me luck on my tranfer and if u have any suggestions on transferring. Im in Faisalabad right now for eid break.

Also when do u recommend i take my usmle step 1 exams i just started my 1st yr.


that is why you probably should of gone to a US college and gave yourself a chance into getting into a US medical school---

Paxon HS is a good school and you did pretty well, I wouldnt doubt if you had gone to a US college and taken your MCATs you probably would of done well--

skipper

[zan]

Reason I went to Med School in Pakistan becuase its cheaper and its done if 5 years. I finished a semester at University of North Florida, I was going there just in case I didnt get accepted.

[Skipper]

yea but you have to deal with a 3rd world country with a 5th world mentality on politics and religion---

5yrs--you would of been done in 8 in the US or even 6 if you got into a 6 yr program in the states

have fun

skipper

[Smeer]

Salam all,

In my opinion, it's all based on the way you look at things. Yea it's definitely better to get accepted into a U.S. school, but I think there are some good things about going back to Pakistan. Even though it is a third world country w/a "5th world mentality," as Assyrian Skipper put it, for me and zan it's our native country. I think you'd get some valuable experience just living in Pakistan for 5 years, get to know the place where your ancestors are from, and spend time w/u're family (which in my case has seen me very few times in my life). You'll also save yourself anywhere from 2-3 years of study in comparison to the U.S.

Also, the Pakistani med schools have a good reputation world-wide. Sure they aren't Harvard or Princeton, but they're still good. Most who come back to practice in the U.S. have few problems shifting over as far as education is concerned.

But again, I think it's just a matter of opinion on how you look at it and how willing you are to go, whether you want to go or not.

[Smeer]

Salam again,

Srry zan I had a quick question: what were your grades in bio, chem, physics, and english in highschool/college?

Thx

--Smeer

[sara00]

heey AssyrianSkipper,

U know what AssyrianSkipper, many try the American way....and only few make it in the end...and that u can probably see on these forums..if u know what I mean... ;) So finding an alternative path where one can accomplish there goal in life is as good as studying in America...

Also lets say zan goes end up studying in an American uni, first he'll need to complete his BSc. right? in which he needs to very very good marks...lets say he cant keep up with good marks for 4 yrs...then what? ...he'll be looking for alternative paths right? like going to the carribean, or some other international med school...not only would he be wasting his valuble years and also trying to find a good international med school to go to but he'll also be spending a heck alot of money too!!

So going to some pakistani med school is not a bad idea infact it really good..true its a third world counrty...but trust me after been there for few months u'll get use to it...thats the cool thing about humans that we can learn to adapt to the environment! and I understand one would be making some sacrifices...but thats how life is...sumtimes to gain sumthing...u need to sacrifice sumthing...;)

Sara

[Skipper]

you will adapt to life in a 3rd world country, but it has hard to adapt to the 5th world mentality on religion and politics that is present there---

but i wish you all good luck--

skipper

[Smeer]

Salam all,

Yea it is/will be difficult to adapt to the ''5th world mentality'' regarding religion and politics, but who says you have to adapt? Just keep your mouth shut and avoid trouble for 5 years. You're there to study medicine, not run for governor of Punjab.

btw sara, that was an awesome english translation:

"to gain sumthing...u need to sacrifice sumthing..."

kuch pa nay kay liyay, kuch khona parta hai.

Well said!!!

--Smeer

[sara00]

Salam friends!!!

I’m glad u guys baught up this issue…cuz many student always have this fear of dealing with 3rd world country and “5th world” mentality….

First of all, the “5th world” mentality is mostly found in small cities of Pakistan. Big cities like Lahore, Karachi, and Islamabad are all pretty modern now. Infact I heard its getting worst than western culture. Nowdays, in Lahore they even have restaurants that are open only for dating couples!:shock:

But even if u do end up meeting ppl with “5th metality”, so what? All u do is listen to their ideas and beliefs…even if u don’t agree with them, no point of explaining or arguing with them…u do what u ur self belief is right…in this world where ever u may go, u’ll always meet ppl u’ll get along with and ppl u can’t stand but its up to u how u avoid these things…sum ppl will ignore and wont mind but sum might take it to heart…but remember there’s no point …cuz u’ll be getting nothing out of it..so its better to ignore…

Let me tell u guys about my life experience…Since I was a little gurl I used to wear “hijab” on my head but all the students in my class use to think I use to to wear a “hijab” cuz I’m bald…hehe…but I used to always tell them “no no, I’m not bald..trust me I have hair too” ..no one use to believe me except one gurl in my class. If I wanted I could have prove them wrong but I didn’t care what ppl said or thought cuz I truly believed in my religion;) . And today in Canada everyone respect all cultures and religions. Also on eid days I used to wear “hena” on my hands cuz its part of Pakistani culture..so at school sttudents used to say “didn’t ur mommy stoped u from drawing markers on ur hands?” ..hehe ..and on kid was like “what kind of disease u have on ur hands?”…hehe…kids man! But now when I put hena, everyone say “wow…that’s soo cool!” :cool:

So u seeee…as long as u always stand by ur religious beliefs and u know ur cultural values, then where ever u’ll go …u’ll be fine…true living in an another country is not easy at first..but eventually u’ll get use to its ppl, environment, food, weather, etc…so its worth it in the end studying in pak!:)

Smeer: u know ...it would be cool sumday to take over pak!;) Ur so clever….u knew I translated it from urdu..hehe…but u know its sound better in urdu…:)

By the way…everyone …very HAPPY HAPPY EID MUBARAK to u and to ur families!!! May this eid brings tones of happiness in ur world!

Sara

[zan]

9th and 10th Physical Science B' Bio B' English Avg in 9th and 10th B+
11th and 12th I went to a Magnet school and all the classes were honors Ap Bio C, Chem B Physics B. I know the grades arent that great, there Ok. I was an extreme procrastinator in HIgh School, my plan was to go to University of North Florida and then apply to med school. I didn't make the decision to go to Pakistan till after I graduated High School (1 month Later), I went to Pakistan and got all the information to go to Med School in Pakistan. I know its faster and cheaper but Smeer said it exactly
I think you'd get some valuable experience just living in Pakistan for 5 years, get to know the place where your ancestors are from, and spend time w/u're family (which in my case has seen me very few times in my life). This was one of my major factors. Improve my Urdu and Punjabi and I'll prolly pick up Sindhi along the way. Learn how to ride a motorcycle and drive a car in Pakistani traffic. Go on buses with ppl hanging out of it. Also I'll learn other valuable stuff other then things that I learn in MBBS. I know the first 2 months will be hard but then after that I'll get use to it. School starts bacak up after Eid on Jan 25th. Eid Mubarik

I talked to a Allama Iqbal Medical School Student and he went and helped out with the Earthquake relief becuase the college sent the Sr students there. He told me it takes a while for the International Students especially the American and Canadian Students to seattle down. My plan is for the first year I will go to Tuition, becuase American and Pakistani way of studying is totally different. My plan is to transfer to another school after a year, prolly in Punjab province (interested in Nishster) or DOW Medical College. The Allama Iqbal student that KE might have the best reputation, but he said that the best Drs come out of Nishster and Liaqaut because he says there basically they are no other hospitals in town then the university hospitcals, and they see every case. He wasn't that familiar with schools in Sindh, but he said in Sindh most of the tests they have are Multiple Choice and the tests in Punjab are Essay. Make sure when you apply you tell your contacts (especially high government officials or high ppl within a school your interested) that you have applied and would like there help. My parents have a lot of friends who know some high ppl at certain schools and my mistake was that I would get into one of the 8 schools on my list. I should've told them.

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[Smeer]

Salam all,

EID MUBARIK!!!

Thx a bunch Zan for the info. It's given me a good idea of the difficulty of getting into government schools. Good luck in Pakistan. Hope u're doing well.

--Smeer

[eagle]

Why does IBCC deduct marks from foreign students :confused:

[Smeer]

salam all,

hey zan I have yet more questions!! Srry if I'm bugging you I just would like to know as much as possible before applying.

If it's not too personal, what were your AP scores (out of 5) ?

Also, do you know weather they considered your AP scores or your grades in the AP classes during mark conversion? I know on the IBCC application, they ask for College board results/certificates, so I was just wondering how they factor that in. Do they maybe not take off the 20% if you submit AP scores?

I know these are kind of tough questions especially since none of us actually work at IBCC, but any help would be much appreciated. You've given me lots of new info and I really appreciate it. Any further info would be greatly appreciated as well.

Thx

--Smeer

[zan]

My Ap Bio score was either a 2 or 3 :( . I don't think they considered my AP Scores, but Im not sure. Check there website out www.ibcc.edu.pk (http://www.ibcc.edu.pk) . When I received my transcript back from IBCC they made a copy of it, and they highlighted courses that I took in 11th and 12th Grade, they highlight the Maths and Scienes Mainly, I was surprised they highlighted World Religions a course I took in 12th grade, the prolly considered it for Islamiat.

[Smeer]

Salam all,

Thx for the info and the site zan. I checked out the site and they don't seem to say very much except that they reduce your marks 20% if your country is under an internal examination system (Germany + America).

Don't wrry about your AP bio score, it wouldn't have counted for much even if you did get a 4 or 5.

My last set of questions is this: did you take any other AP sciences other than bio? Were your chem and physics regular or honors?

Thx again man, I really appreciate all the info you've been giving me and I apologize if I'm bugging you too much. I'd just like to know as much as possible before I apply and get an idea of what types/kinds of courses other ppl from America have taken.

--Smeer

[sara00]

heeey salam friends,

eagle: ur questions are always sooo hard to that hum loogon kay paas javab hi nahi hota ;) ...well for IBCC mark conversion there is a formula that they sue to convert our marks and for each country its a different formula. That's cuz level of education are not the same as pakistan in different countires...in most area pakistani is higher and in some its lower... for example, u were talking about Algebra, how grade 12 Algebra is what they mearn at uni level in pak right? So most likely when tehy'll convert ur marks for Algebra they wull give u better marks than in bio or chem. And lets say if they dont, then u can actually challenge them in court and prove them how Algebra is harder in Canda and most likely they will increase ur IBCC marks...just an idea too...for all students with low IBCC marks...try challenging them...maybe u'll be able to increase them :)

Zan: its always a pleasure to here ur experiences...u sure helping many students, thank you...tusi kini soni punjabi veech gaalan kar day ho! ;) ....aaaho..asi vi punjab day hay gay! hehe...

My question to American students... what is the difference between SATII and AP?? which one is easier?? cuz I know Aga Khan requires it...thats why I wanna know...

thanks,

Sara

[genius322]

Salaam All
I am a 3rd yr student at KE. It's been awhile since i came to this forum. Actually had to reset my password since i had forgotten it lol. But yea i went through the IBCC and had gotten in KE along with 5-6 others. It is actually not that bad here. If you want to hear more drop me an e-mail or pm and i can try to answer any questions to the best of my ability. I am here visiting the family but will be leaving soon.
Hey zan, how is it there in sindh? Having fun?

[zan]

The only AP Science I took was AP Bio. But I took AP Microecon AP Us Gov and AP Lit, but i dont think they included it. All the other scieces were Honors. But if your in high school and wanna come to Pakistan if you can pull an A in Honors Science classes go for it, but if you don't think you can then take regular becuase they don't care weather its honors or regular. Take World Religions, and as much science as you can. Also convert your scores as soon as u graduate.

Tussi bare changee jeeya Punjabi bolnda pie ho

[sara00]

heeey welcome welcome genius322....wow ur a King Edward student....soooo sooo cooool!! just by ur name we can all tell that ;) ...sooo nicee of u to come here....so tell us about ur experiences...how was first year? I mean environment? students? prof? the course material? the college it self?...EVERYTHING....thiings u liked ...disliked...ur best moments...tough moment...challenges u faced....I think thats toooo many questions for now...lol..also what was ur IBCC marks? (if u dont mind) cuz iknow its soo hard to get in, at KE!

Oh man... these forums are getting soo exciting nowdays...hehe...

[Smeer]

Salam all,

Hey Genius233!!! Yea me and sara are pretty much on the same brain frequency. Answer all of her questions, because most of mine are the same! The only other questions I'd like to ask are:

What classes did you take in highschool? (APs, honors, regular)
What were your grades?
What were your mark conversions? (I know sara already asked this, but I can't resist)

Thx a bunch. I'm a junior in high school rite now and i'm thinking of applying at the end of my senior year. I'd like to know as much as possible and see where I stand in terms of opportunities/chances of getting in. Thx a bunch. Hope you're having fun.

--Smeer

[genius322]

Salaam sara
yea KE i am a 3rd yr student at KE. My scores for IBCC were like 774-5 something, i do not remember the exact figure. There are 7-8 with them having like plus or minus 10-15 from my score, including the new 1st year students. We have fun and what not, we tend to stick together, only way to keep sane lol.
About the school it self, its ok but the system it self needs to be updated. all the other schools have switched to the Multiple choice system and KE still perfers the long essay type questions.
Ist Prof part I was ok, passed 1st yr, and just took Ist Prof. part II so just waiting for results to come out. Do pray for me please.
I am actually back home visiting family and friends but leaving this weekend for pak land.
UMM Things i like about KE:
-it has a good name world wide, alot of PDs know about the school and will not discriminate when it comes to interviews. The school it self is located in the best city in Pakistan as far as i know it:D as u move into your clinical years the docs are the best in their field so you tend to learn alot and are well prepared when it comes to clinical sciences, so really looking forward to it.
Things i don't like about KE:
-again it needs to up date the system and get with the rest of the colleges. The pre-clinical docs are horrible and lazy. So it is pretty much self study up untill 3yrd year, or so i was told. the school it self is extremely old and needs renovation. the examination system needs to updated to meet international standards. i hate the viva sytem because it is so biased. basically when you sit for a viva it all depends on the docs mood, if it is good = easy questions and u pass. if it is bad = you get pimped hardcore and risk failing or just barely obtaining passing marks. the exams are graded on quanity rather than quality, meaning if u write more than u pass i.e. how many pages does it take to describe the cousre of the ulnar nerve in the forearm? i worte it on 6 pages!!!

the toughest moment i ever had was i remeber it clearly, i had just gotten pak land and i have only been there for maybe 3-4 days and had to give my first anatomy "sub-stage" (sub-stage are little vivas that u give for a certain part of a region, ie the stage for lower limb region has a sub stage which included the following topics ,the thigh and the nerve supply and blood supply for the thigh.) well it was my very first sub stage and i had never before given any sort of oral exam in my life, so my heart was pounding and i was sweating bullets. my mind went blank right up to the point where the doc told me to sit down. he knew i was scared shitless and there started to pimp me hard core, basically ripping me apart on each and every detail structure and and attachment in the thigh. i tried to answer as i best as i could but i went blank and started thinking to myself what the hell is this guys problem, i felt like getting up and hooking the guy in his temporal region or something to possible cause some sort of cerebral hemorage.
but as i went away i learned that i need to compose myself and not get scared shitless when i am sitting for an oral exam, becasue oral exams are goin to be taken for the next 5yrs and even in the steps and the interview process for residencies. so after that ordeal all my other vivas were easy and if the doc tried to pimp me, i wouldnt let it bother me. lol
just my thoughts i guess.

all in all KE is not a bad school, just the first 2yrs were tough to get through, but alot of the senior americans rather enjoyed their final 3yrs.
lol, its kinda strange that i have more negative things to say about the school than positive, but i m just telling it as i see it and experience it, no salesman ** reply here.

if you want i can answer any other qs u have.
take care sara
ma salaam

[Smeer]

salam everyone,

hey genius322! You're like the new celebrity on this forum!!! I'd like to ask a few questions, if you don't mind. I'm really interested in going to pakistan myself to study.

1. What classes did you take in high school ?
2. What were your grades?

Those are my 2 big ones. I just wanted to get an idea of what the competition is like.

Thx for your help and I hope you're doing well.

--Smeer

[sara00]

heey salam genius322,

Woooow....thank yoooou sooo much for ur experiences , sure enjoyed reading it!!! :) ...first of all, I pray that u do well on ur prof partII, may Allah always help u succeed! (Ameen) Also yeah those oral exam...I heard of those too...ur right..good mood ur all good...so enjoying in Lahore? its funn in Lahore I remember when Iwent there...Iuse to go out with my relaetive at night chill in park..or some "mailah"...bohaat maza atta tha...also ur living in hostels? how is in there? also how are the gurls in general..I mean helpful nice or...rude and mean? and what about the guys? always running after gurls? ..hehe...also zan and genius322 any advice, suggestion or comments u wanna give to future students who are thinking of coming to pak and studying there....

Smeer: we're like these interviewing ppl on these forums so what TV channel do u own?....hehe..any pak student comes on we go crazzzy after them...hehe....;)

Sara

[Smeer]

Salam all!

Sarah we're like these interviewing ppl on these forums so what TV channel do u own?....hehe..any pak student comes on we go crazzzy after them...hehe....

Welcome to the Mecial Colleges in Pakistan thread talk show, with your hosts, Smeer and Sara!!! This week's guests: Zan and Genius w/their experiences in Pakistan!! Everyone give them a round of applause.

hahaha.....how was that for a make-shift talk show? Maybe I should try pursuing acting instead of medicine...?

Just wanna say thx to EVERYONE who's helped me out on this thread. I'd especially like to thank sara, Zan, and Genius for their in-depth help. All help has been/is/will be appreciated.

[sara00]

**applause** *applause**...hehehe...ur sooo funnny Smeer....:D

[zan]

I'll get back to u guys sometime after Jan 25th, thats when the real teaching starts and then I'll tell you how it is. My advice is if you wanna come to Pakistan, try to get 90 +'s in all your classes in HS, they don't care if the class is Honors or Not (hint hint). Convert your scores through the Pakistani Embassy as Sara00 says becuase they are responsible for it, don't send ur scores straight to them like I did, becuase they will give u excuses, but if your going to do that, make sure u have family in Islamabad to bother them. Also Convert your scores as soon as you graduate from High School (when u receive ur final transcript). Also if anyone gets accepted to any med schools in Pakistan next yr please post it on the forum.

[genius322]

salaam all
yea sara its like that.
i am enjoying lahore, but sometimes it does get boring and its hard to kill time, but we try too hang out as much as possible to that we can kill some time. some times when some events do come to lahore, it does get interenting

I live with family but do have a dorm room. i use it just for studying during prof time, some porf questions do get leaked from papers and endup in the hostel. also usually a class mate has made a list of questions asked in vivas so that list does come in handy when you can at least answer 30-40% questions from the examiner coz u already knew that he/she was goin to ask it, so u can really nail those questions and try to put them in a good mood. all these are valuable resources which first show up in the hostel. i don't know how about the leaked questions, but i have never been disappointed.

the girls are a different story, there are some that will socialize and some that just aren't friendly. we tend to socialize with the american girls at FJ and ALMA IQBAL. there are some that are cool to hang out with here in pak land, but in general they just keep to them seleves.

the guys, well they are a different story. honeslty i never meet such a bunch horny and pervented guys in my life. hence in my last post, i mentioned that we only sitck with the non-pakis, this is the reason why. don't get me wrong, there are a couple of guys that are cool, but they have girl firends that is why. i guess 10yrs of educational segreation of the sexes will have that effect on you. dont know about the mind set of the girls, if anyone takes offense reading this i m sorry , but i m telling u what i c, thats all.

Advice i would give anyone applying:
it cool and all to come here, but don't have high hopes when u come here, you will be disappointed very fast. so keep your hopes low, keep low expectations about the instution itself.

the key to sucess for anyone who wants to take the steps and pratice in the us while attending medical school in pakistan (i was told this exact piece of info from a senior when i first came to KE and have been following it) is that study hard build concepts early and as you study through out the year prepare for your steps along with it. grab the high yield books or the BRS set and just study from those books along with the text books of course.

good luck to you guys and i wish you all the best.

if you have any more qs you can e-mail, and if your in lahore next year and at KE, LOOK ME UP!
take care
ma salaam

[sara00]

salam,

zan and genius322: thank you soo much for answering all our questions...and I wish u all a very successful year! May Allah always help u do well in ur studies (Ameen) ..and yeah when ever u guys are free and have time on hands...always drop us ur thoughts and expericences....pleasure to hear them...:) ..aap nay hamari maadad ki...inshalla Allah hamay-sha aap ki maadad karay gain! ;)

take care,

Sara

[fuzpot]

Listen guys from the US, i wouldnt waste time applying to pakistan. You should consider european medical schools. Unless you have ridiculous high scores like 98%, you can apply with hope.

The system for applications are flawed, unfair and inconsistent. However I feel that Aga Khan is the only school that admits applicants with some degree of fairness and justice. I have no problem with pakistan, i love my homeland- .

[genius322]

hey fuzpot man, don't hate on pakistan if you havent tried the system. No one should discourgae anyone from anything unless he/she has experienced it first hand.

to recommend the EU schools that is good and all, but thats all i can say it about coz i never went that route, although i did hear alot of positives about those schools

you do have a point in the amout of fariness regarding the admission process. i wont lie about that, but also you cant forget that no country is free from corruption, no matter what the level.

in the decision making process make sure you exhaust all available options before coming down to your final 2-3 choices. there never should be a "what if" or "maybe" when it comes to making big decisions.

i m content with my choice.

all the best my fuzzy little friend
:p

take care
ma salaam

[eagle]

hello genius,

I'm also interested in KEMC. Is it true that they really take 15 minutes to do an attendance of 200 ppl? :rolleyes:

I wish I could visit the college, sounds so interesting the way you put it haha

[sara00]

salam,

heeey fuzpot, I dont email u...oooh plzzz...u know eactly why! ;)
By the way...ur right these IBCC ppl are not nice at all..infact very mean...they screwed me up too :( ...but u know what genius is giving u some good advice..and u gont need to have 98% in high school to get in...I know ppl with 65-70% who got in....also I know u very well fuzpot...how much u wanna go and study in pak, right? listen friend, u can try for Aga Khan...I know u dont have phy form high school and u said ur high school marks are not good right? so why dont u send in ur marks u got in BSc and also do the MCAT in april...u still have time to do all these things...also Aga Khan goes not require IBCC marks...so u wont be messing with them...:)

dont loose hope....what u gotta loose in trying?? just the application fee...

eagle: ... attendence!!! :( :( by the way I think I should ask genius what are the rules for gurls residence....hehe...da ones we talked about it at school ;)

genius: heey genius, is it true, in gurls residence they have strick timings of coming home? no late night parties..;) ...also I heard u need to provide a list of all the ppl who can come visit u on residence and that list need to be sigened by parents????? :twisted: ...hehe...

Sara

[fuzpot]

Sara- u r right. however it is not feasbile for me to sit the MCAT this april.

HOwever maybe nxt yr, but i hope to apply to some eastern europe medical schools in JUne/july.

Genius- im sorry if i sounded rather crticical. I love , great place!, but yeah i guess medical applications anywhere in the world always involve an element of luck and maybe harsh decisions r made.

Sara- u seem upset that there is a strict regulation for ladies in the hostels!! i never took you for a party girl!. I went to pakistan last summer, and i am telling u all, pakistan is too western now!!! such a massive club scene with alcohol everywhere-- karachi!.

i dont mind, but alcohol is stupid!

[sara00]

heey fuzpot...I was joking yaar ..I was talking for all the gurls thinking of going to pak...u really think I'm a praty type gurl?..me!!! who's soo religious and always AVOIDING guys!!!! :(

[eagle]

Fuzpot, I know Sara well, she sure is'nt a party girl at all. Infact she is very, very boring ;) (jks Sara)

Another question for genius: what is the resisdence/hostel like; i mean the actual rooms. Is it clean etc..? and Is it similar to ones in the US or Canada?

You've got so many questions from all of us. hehe :mrgreen: Thanks a bunch to you!!!

[fuzpot]

Yeah im jus kidding about sara, she is a very sensible girl ( i dont know her that well), but seems very caring and helpful. Anyway guys, we are on the eve of the 2nd test match PAK v Ind,( im writing this in Fri night). Come on pakistan!!!.

[sara00]

salam,

eagle: "boring" was the only word u found in the dictionnary to describe me?? what kinda friend are u!!!..hehe...watch I'll kill u at the badminton game on monday!!;)

fuzpot: thank you for ur kind words...u ur self such a nicee guy! :) Listen friend, I found one and only solution for u...when the Aga Khan application will come in the beginning of feb. u should apply and send in ur BSc marks with it..and then go to pak and wrtie the Aga Khan's entry exam in april...and I'm pretty sure u'll get in...the exam is MCQ and high school level...so u probably A's it!! and inshalla u'll get in too...cuz if u cant write the MCAT ..u can write the Aga Khan's entry exam...which is easier! Also go visit pak for a month as a vacation! ...thats a really goood idea...and ur last hope...its worth trying....but its up to u...I can only guide u...but ur decision....all the best in life!!! May Allah always help u succeed in life (Ameen) :)

Sara

[ayesha_87]

Dear all,

Having read ure disucussion over the past couple of weeks, I have been tempted to write this:
Well InshaAllah pakistan will beat India.....
b/w sara.. i m not a medical student......well i was considering to study medicine in pak.......cos v were abt to move back......that was just a back-up plan........however, Alhamdulilah v have stayed in the UK since then......and pretty much hope to for some time..instead...i m a law student at an elite university in london.....Alhamdulilah....nonetheless, i do read ure comments sometimes.....

Okaaay......i shall tell u abt the girls in pak.......well.........i visited pak last summer......and OH MY GOD........the girls there r tarts.......they try to act sooooooo bloody western........Astagfirullah........some of them even wear tight jeans.......welll InshaAllah Allah will lead them to the straight path....Ameen.....but of u do move to pak.....girll.....u must be strong.....and not get influenced by their habits/ behaviour.....
Wsalam

[eagle]

To the foreign students applying to Pakistan, I have a link for the application form.

http://www.pakistan.gov.pk/divisions/economicaffairs-division/media/FRM_FOREIGN_STUDENTS.pdf

Question # 8a on Pg 4 is interesting :rolleyes: and necessary. hehe



(PS. 'Sara', my friend, you are also happy, considerate, simple, intelligent, helpful!!, verecund, and humorous. Therefore, please don't make me have a bad day on Monday :rockthro:hahah funny emotion )

[fuzpot]

SARA- thanx. I wish you all the best in ur life and studies. Its good to know that some girls living in the west have retained dignity and not become complete animals!.

Ayesha- where r u. I just did my BSc at kings. Looking to apply in europe etc. Your right, alot of paki girls in pakistan and in the UK are too western! Im not very religious, therefore i cant not make judgements, however i stay away from the extremes of the wrong path. And alot of pakistani girls i know- are messed up

[ayesha_87]

SARA- thanx. I wish you all the best in ur life and studies. Its good to know that some girls living in the west have retained dignity and not become complete animals!.

Ayesha- where r u. I just did my BSc at kings. Looking to apply in europe etc. Your right, alot of paki girls in pakistan and in the UK are too western! Im not very religious, therefore i cant not make judgements, however i stay away from the extremes of the wrong path. And alot of pakistani girls i know- are messed up

i m at the LSE........trust me.....yea......soem of my cousins are like that......and i just feel sorry for them....inshaAllah Allah will guide them to the ryt path....

[sara00]

salam,

ayesha: finally ...after 100 years u reply to me;) ....I knew someday this gurl will definetly reply to my question..:) .. soo nicee u hear from u...oh so ur were interested...but no more now right?...law is verrrry good too! I pray u do well in life, always! and about pakistani gurls in pak....yeah ur right...nowdays its crazzy down there...esp the gurls...doing things that are soo against Islam...but all we can do is pray for them...may Allah guide us all on the right path...(Ameen)

eagle: hehe...ur funnnny!! yeh the list is better now...more like ME this time! ;) and thanks for posting the application to apply to pak med schools...u know the entier page 4 u need to acctually go to ur family doctor and get all that filled up! I remeber my family doctor made me jump for 5 min in her clinic to record my heart beat!! i guess the whole point is to see where ur healthy to go aboard and study....

by the way..what happen to our celebraties???;)...I think they went back to school since there eid holidays are over...I hope they come here in their free time...always a pleasure to hear from them...:)

Sara

[aamjad2001]

hi
the thread started in information about medical schools in pakistan and now as i have moved to the last page i dont find any relevency.

anyway as both of you are talking about studies so carry on :)

[eagle]

aamjid,

I have posted so many questions on the last 2 pages, if you could answer them, that'd be gr8!!

[sara00]

hi
the thread started in information about medical schools in pakistan and now as i have moved to the last page i dont find any relevency.

anyway as both of you are talking about studies so carry on :)

Ur right...we all kinda got carried away...back to pak med colleges...so ur from baquai aamjad?? lets hear about ur school...environment, fees, prof...u said its the best after Aga Khan ..and how is that...let us know...nice u hear from u!:)

Sara

[aamjad2001]

You can have all that information from the University's official website. because i would always say its the best due to the reason that i am a part of it so you better judge it yourself.

Baqai Medical University (http://www.baqai.edu.pk)

i Hope that helps

[eagle]

aamjid,

I had a few questions and would be very thankful if you helped:

Did you apply as a foreign student? is so, what were your grades?

What is the environment in your university? Is it similar to KEMC?

and anything else that you'd like to add would b great.

[fuzpot]

--Ayesha

LSE is so good, a premier institution. Why on earth do you want 2 waste time doing medicine- when u will have a law degree from a university that is on the reputation and prestige level of Cambridge?. You could work as a partner in a good city firm on london etc.

[ayesha_87]

--Ayesha

LSE is so good, a premier institution. Why on earth do you want 2 waste time doing medicine- when u will have a law degree from a university that is on the reputation and prestige level of Cambridge?. You could work as a partner in a good city firm on london etc.

NOOOOOOO way......i m not studying medicine.....altho i cud have.....cos Alhamdulilah i got 4 As.....i want to be a barrister InshaAllah.not a dcotor....i dont want to pursue a career as a doc......but i did study bio and physics at a level....anways.....if u guys have any ques relating to medical colleges in pak....i might be able to help.......cos i was brought up in pak......

[sara00]

You can have all that information from the University's official website. because i would always say its the best due to the reason that i am a part of it so you better judge it yourself.

Baqai Medical University (http://www.baqai.edu.pk)

i Hope that helps

thanks but if u can... it would be nicee if YOU can take about ur med school. I mean ur experiences...what year are u in?? how was first year? lets here from u aamjad2001!!! :)

Sara

[mariak]

assalam o alikum

[sara00]

heeey w'salam mariak!! :)

Nice to see u here...so interested in pak med schools?

Sara

[mariak]

assalam o alikum
im frm pakistan sara n very interested in medical as well:)
thanku for such warm welcome i was just trying to check whether u ppl will recieve my msg or not:))
i have been reading ur discussion for some days n its really very interesting.the thing which compel me to send post to u ppl is a latest news abt aga khan med uni.if someone is interested .on sunday we recieved an add in a newspaper frm agakhan med uni.a/c to which the application forms of MBBS will be issued frm 1stjan(from Soneri Bank n im not sure it is in america or canada or not) . and 2nd march is the last date for the submission of forms.
n sara in one of ur posts told someone that aga khan doesnt require IBCC eqv certificate but they do.it was mentioned inthe add.
here in pak agakhan medical test is known as very tough test n many students are dying to get admission inAKU.
here many students including me are not very much familiar to SAT but alot of ppl recommend SAT to me for preparation.
in the end i really want to know abt agakhan test n its preparation if anyone exactly knows abt .or ifsomeone hasbeen in AKU test ?
thankx in advance :)
Allah hafiz n best wishes to aalll

[sara00]

heey salam mariak,

thank you sooo much for sharing ur info with us :) ...and ur absolutly right, infact I was just talking to a friend of mine and he was telling me exactly what u just said...how on sunday the ad for Aga Khan came out in Pak ..and yeah sorry to disappointe sum ppl but IBCC is required this time...also I'll try to find out how u can prepare for the entry exam...entry exam is in april and many would say SAT is the best choice...but I'll see what I can find...and inshalla get back to u sooon...
***PPL how are interested Do check out there website at www.aku.edu (http://www.aku.edu) and they have the application and sample test questions too!
Sara

[sara00]

salam mariak,

For Aga Khan do cover the topics that are in books of pakistani federal books...did u check the sample questions?...u can kinda get an idea from them what type of things they will test u on.

Sara

[jamalhurrice]

AOA
im currently in a canadian high school in gr.12. My marks are approx as follows because exams arent done yet
English - 72 %:mad:
Bio - 80%
Chem 85%
Physics 82%
Now looking at these marks, could you guys tell me if i have a chance to get into medical school in Pakistan. By the way these marks are not exact, they are kind of around what they are.
Thanks

[Skipper]

you realize you will have trouble going back to canada as a foregin grad.

skipper

[jamalhurrice]

Yea but i dont have to go back to Canada. Plus, i think its just the USMLE that u have to pass for Canada too. And also another thing, Canada is short in doctors like crazy, i read in the news that they were opening up seats for foreigners by 2008. SO ths good news. If nothing works at all... ill practise in Pakistan, cuz people need medical attention a lot more than other countries do ... depite the pay ... To my earlier question, could anyone tell who is in medical college in paksitan if those marks are engouh r not
thanks

[eagle]

Hello jamaal,

When IBCC (Inter Board "Corrupt" Commitee) converts your marks, they decrease it by apprx. 10% :( . I know it sux. Nowadays, it's very hard for foreigners to get into Pakistan, nonetheless, keep an open option and apply to Pakistani med schools as well as universities here.

http://www.ibcc.edu.pk/Forms/form.asp

This website gives you information on their fees and has a link for the EQUIVALENCE FORM which you should submit. If all the criteria isn't met, they will reject the application, without you even knowing. The appication states what you need to send them.

I'm from Ontario, Canada. I'll be applying to King Edward Medical College and possibly Aga Khan.

Hope this helps. I'm sure Sara00 will be on soon and give you more advice, if not better :). Cheers and later.

eagle

[sara00]

salam,

jamalhurrice: heey friend, yeah u have good marks, and u'll get in pak med schools. But not under technical assistance program thats when u pay in pakistani rupees which is about $500 US per year..but u'll definetly get under the self finance system, which is $10,000 US! Cuz ur avg is near 80% and ur marks are similar to mine...therefore when u'll convert ur marks from the "corrupted" IBCC ppl like eagle mentioned ;) ...most likely ur avg will decreaced to 70% which is near 800/1100..thats good too!!! cuz many students in 2005 had marks in 750 and got in..so ur pretty good..and with these marks u can get into most pak government med schools and for sure in any private med school in pak...but make sure u dont drop these good marks after ur exams...And about coming to Canada, yeah they reconnize USMLE too so thats an option if u ever wish u come back...also my aunt she is a gynacologist in pakistan and owns her own clinic and not only she is making really goood money but she is well-known too in her city...respect, helping, money, ..she has everything! by the way jamal, u might have any relatives in pak? ..if not its okay..then I'll try to help u out with the application...but its helps alot if u know somone down there u can help u..cuz u see in pak, u need to keep bothering them to get ur job done..thats why..but dont worry...I'll guide u...so that why u wont face any problems..cuz to mess with IBCC ppl thats the hardest part...also when ur final results come after exams do let me know..so that u can convert ur marks asap! cuz its looong process..and since u alredy took all the required courses u dont need to wait until June to convert ur marks u can do it after ur first semester...u really smart..took all the hard course together and still doing well...verrrry impressive!!! so friend keep working very very hard!!! I see a good future for u! :)

AssyrianSkipper: true its hard to come back to canada and practice...but who says its impossible?..many have done it in the pass and will keep doing so in future too...atleast its better than wasting 4yr of BSc. than becoming a doc in 5yrs! A BSc degree we'll get us no where in life! and that u knw very well too!;)

Sara

[jamalhurrice]

is it true that ur mbbs degree is equivilant to a BSc degree .... ?

[eagle]

is it true that ur mbbs degree is equivilant to a BSc degree .... ?

Salaam,

No. A BSc degree is different from an mbbs. mbbs stands for Bachelor of Medicine/ Bachelor of Surgery (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/&e=9797)whereas a BSc is bachelor of science. A BSc is just 4 years of university. After receiving your BSc, only then you can apply to med-schools in CAN and USA. And in the end, you get ur md. Therefore, mbbs is equivalent to md because its a degree that you get from medical school.

eagle

[RehanSAlvi]

Hi guys...

Another medical forum site has just been started by medical students for medical students and you can check it out at

http://www.***********.com

I encourage everyone of you to join as we will be having more information going up soon about the Pakistan Medical College application system. Also, many of the senior members of the site are Americans currently attending medical school in Pakistan, and you can private message them with any questions you might have.

Hope to see you all there!

[jamalhurrice]

Hey
i think u got my question in a wrong way ... i knw mbbs is equivalnt to md. However if ur not able to pass the test r whateevr u need, is it posssible that ur mbbs degree can be compared to the BSc so say if u want to go into dentistry r pharmacyu if nothing works out ... srry for confsiion
thanks

[sara00]

salam jamal,

I'm not sure if I get ur question...but u cant compare MBBS to BSc., cuz MBBS is what u get after completing med school in pak and BSc is after completing university...these are totally different degrees...hope it answered ur question ..if not let us know again,

thank you rehan for letting us know..they are fairly new..I pray they become good and useful forums for everyone!....by the way there is a www.muslimmedic.com/forum (http://www.muslimmedic.com/forum) too...where all the muslims around the world can talk about medicine and islam at the same time! :) ..there new too ...do check them out too

Sara

[jamalhurrice]

ok basically my question is that say u do ur mbbs .. and u come here ... and u DONT pass the test for whateever reason .... is there anything u can do with that mbbs degree ... like for example nursing or whatever other options there might be

[sara00]

salam jamal,

oh now I see ur question..well the answer is no...if u dont pass ur exams in US/Can/UK (where ever u wanna practice) then u cant really do anything with that degree, its worth "nothing"...only work in pakistan than! and that is the reason why many students dont wanna study back home...cuz its a great stuggle to come back...some make it and other dont...and that's why u see sumtimes amazing forgein doctors, working in some factory just cuz they werent able to pass the exams in the country they wished to work in. I'll be honest with u and everyone who reads these post..., its not easy coming back....but if u work hard than u can do it, and its not impossible either...

Sara

[RehanSAlvi]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to let you know that Shifa College of Medicine has opened admission for Class of 2011 and is accepting applications currently.

For all things related to Shifa College, please visit AND REGISTER at the new *********** Online forum at http://www.***********.com.

This will be the best resource for anything to do with Shifa, and soon all other medical colleges in Pakistan as well.

Register as a user on the forum and then ask your question in the Pakistan Medical College's forum under the Shifa College of Medicine thread---or feel free to start your own thread.

Anyways, hope to see you there and myself and the other students at Shifa who are part of the online community will be more than glad to help. Please do not PM here as I never check it. The best way to reach me is through http://www.***********.com

Take care and Allah Hafiz!

[zan]

Med school has started up for me, Im prolly going to migrate to some school hopefully in Punjab, but I just wanna get out of Jomshoro, Sindh , I have no family there, but its not that bad. Right now im in the dorms, which are really bad. Sr students bully the first yr students, its not the type of bullying ir prolly thinking, they ask you sing a song or dance in front of them. Or where the girls sit, pick a flower and give it to a girl, or put lipstick on. Well if your in a hostel, a group srs can come into your room, when they came they asked me to sing a song I sung Eminems 8 mile song lol. Just gotta speak with confidence and sort of enjoy it, becuase if they know your getting pissed of there going to bother you more. Today at school, the school was closed for 1 hr due to one of the student political groups. They usually bother the 1st yr students, we were in Biochem class, there are 2 doors one on each side of the auditorium the Politcal Group (usually consisting of Srs) starting making noise and were going to come in, one of the students in my class locked the door from inside and all the students in my class ran out the other way.

THere is also BDS at LUHMS one of the students was asking what is the process for a foregin dentist to come to america?

[Skipper]

Med school has started up for me, Im prolly going to migrate to some school hopefully in Punjab, but I just wanna get out of Jomshoro, Sindh , I have no family there, but its not that bad. Right now im in the dorms, which are really bad. Sr students bully the first yr students, its not the type of bullying ir prolly thinking, they ask you sing a song or dance in front of them. Or where the girls sit, pick a flower and give it to a girl, or put lipstick on. Well if your in a hostel, a group srs can come into your room, when they came they asked me to sing a song I sung Eminems 8 mile song lol. Just gotta speak with confidence and sort of enjoy it, becuase if they know your getting pissed of there going to bother you more. Today at school, the school was closed due to one of the student political groups. THere is also BDS at LUHMS one of the students was asking what is the process for a foregin dentist to come to america?

and you guys willing go to these places!!!

man, why not just a caribbean school

skipper

[sara00]

salam,

heey zan, these students love to tease 1yrs...hehe...nice to hear ur crazzzy experiences...keep posting!! :) , its good ur cool with them...yeah if i was u I would also do the same too...turn into a joke! ;)

AssyrianSkipper: thanks for ur concerns! and to answer to ur question, "why not carribean?"..well...u just can't compare any caribbean island to our homeland....pakistan too priceless ;)

Sara

[Skipper]

you guys are getting hazed and bullied and you are all fine with this--

seems odd to me

skipper

[eagle]

you guys are getting hazed and bullied and you are all fine with this--

seems odd to me

skipper

why r u always so -ve? :roll:

eagle

[zan]

this bullying and hazing will slowly stop with 2 weeks, they only do this at the beginning, the students that bully or do the hazing, will become your most helpul assest in medical school, and will end up becoming ur really good friend. I'm sure if I Sr came up to me, I could take him, but its always a group of Srs.

[Smeer]

you guys are getting hazed and bullied and you are all fine with this--

seems odd to me

skipper

Salam all,

Long time no post! Hope you're all doing well. I've been busy w/school...junior year's the worst :cry: . Hope you guys are all having fun, in Canada, Pakistan, and in the U.S. (or wherever in the world you are). I don't get time to post very often, but I read most of the posts here and I've gotten a lot of useful info. from simply reading. Keep it up guys, this thread's pretty popular and useful.

Skipper...I'm getting the feeling that you don't like Pakistani colleges very much, and you seem to be comparing them to those in the Caribbean. As many of us on this forum have implied and explicitly stated before, there's no comparison. You can take that figuratively or literally. The standards of most Pakistani gov. and private colleges are very high, if not their facilities. Many students who attend those colleges are devoted students. Even if you don't agree w/me on that, as people w/Pakistani heritage in our blood, there's more benefit in going to Pakistan, where we have personal relatives and 1000s of years of history and culture. That's priceless. I don't mean to offend you or your school in any way, but when I see myself studying in the Caribbean, I feel so isolated and away from anyone truly close to me. Other than receiving a degree in medicine, I don't see any other benefit. You can get the same in Pakistan, and a lot, lot more.

And about the bullying, I find it surprising that you take only that negative facet of life in Pakistan and neglect all the other wonderful/funny things that have been said. I'm not saying that it's all fun in games, but it's not good to be one-sided. You gotta take both sides of it into account.

--Smeer

[sara00]

And about the bullying, I find it surprising that you take only that negative facet of life in Pakistan and neglect all the other wonderful/funny things that have been said. I'm not saying that it's all fun in games, but it's not good to be one-sided. You gotta take both sides of it into account.

--Smeer

Salam,

heeey Skipper, answer to Smeer now! ;) ...Didnt u also hear from zan, this bullying thing goes on only for few months ..when the course material gets heavy...no when will remember who to bully or who bullied u, everyone will be soo busy in studying and trying to do well...kids nowdays are just chilling...just a way to have fun in the first few months and all frist yr students know that too!...nothing serious...yeh sumtimes u dont like it but its all cool afterwards....
by the way, sorry to say this but the status of Pakistani medical schools...CANNOT be compared to any carribean med school!!!our teaching is system is tooooooooo gooood!!!!!

Smeer: yeah I was wondering where u disappear...oh with school... thats good! study hard! ..u find junior years hard...hehe...wait until senior years...they will kill u! ;)

[fuzpot]

Yeah i have many cousins in pakistani medical/dental colleges-and some students are there are such pervs and crude. There is a huge male contingent that act like they have never seen a girl before. They try to act so cool!I would advise females in pak med colleges-to watch out for such strange males!, if anything the guys from USA/UK that come over-are probably more mannered and and civil. I am not sayinng that pakistani males in the colleges- are bad. But there is a large section that act inappropriately.

[Skipper]

i guess being an american, i find it surpising that people dont have a problem with bullying and hazing---

but that is something to be expected from a 3rd world country with a mentality that is very strict and backwards---

fuzpot, i have read horrible articles on how women are treated in pakistan. i am surpised that women are in medicall colleges. i remember sometime ago a lady teacher was attacked by a tribe of men for something stupid.

i would be careful, being a female over there--from the sounds of it women arent treated as equal.

skipper

[jamalhurrice]

umm i agree that women are treated bad at times in pak. However this is due to a lack of maturaty in some people.... but if u look at the western world.... they dont treat woman equal either... women are exploited used as symbols of sex. a couple of months ago .. there was an ad in new york advertising some porn star.... so next time u think about woman being treated bad... look at th local situation ... where woman are treated as objects of pleasure, not human beings

[eagle]

i guess being an american, i find it surpising that people dont have a problem with bullying and hazing---

but that is something to be expected from a 3rd world country with a mentality that is very strict and backwards---

fuzpot, i have read horrible articles on how women are treated in pakistan. i am surpised that women are in medicall colleges. i remember sometime ago a lady teacher was attacked by a tribe of men for something stupid.

i would be careful, being a female over there--from the sounds of it women arent treated as equal.

skipper

Hey skipper,

I agree that women in Pakistani villages are treated horrible but in the urban regions, everyone is equal! Parents encourage their daughters to study to get professional degrees so that they are independent.

eagle

[Skipper]

umm i agree that women are treated bad at times in pak. However this is due to a lack of maturaty in some people.... but if u look at the western world.... they dont treat woman equal either... women are exploited used as symbols of sex. a couple of months ago .. there was an ad in new york advertising some porn star.... so next time u think about woman being treated bad... look at th local situation ... where woman are treated as objects of pleasure, not human beings


yea, but she is choosing to post herself in the ad---

if she was in pakistan she would have her nose cut off and stoned to death!

so there is a difference in treatment of women in the west and in pakistan--pakistan isnt much further away from how afghastain use to treat women

skipper

[sara00]

salam,

heey Skipper, the type of image that u have about pakistan that was 10 years ago...

today only in very very rare places such as tiny villages of pakistan is where u'll find women been treated like dirt, but nowdays if u go in big cities ,like lahore, karachi, Islamabad... women have equal rights as men do!

and the medical schools down in pak are soo safe for women that if a guy is seen rooming around the gurls residence, he can be expelled! not only that but a gurl can only meet someone at her residence with the permission of her parents! and if u loook majority of the classes in med schools of pakistan are filled with women!!! So how can u say medical schools are not safe for women down in pakistan after having that many restrictions!???

If u compare caribbean med schools...I'm sure u probablly heard many cases where women are getting hurt down there... many times, right? (if u wish I can prove u)...infact, its all open down there, ur on ur own, no security, no restrictions, nothing! and that u call safe??

So remember raping women and hurting them are common things that goes on from centuries and centuries around the world...just not in pakistan!!! so u cant conclude pakistan is not safe, infact its safe for a woman to study there, only on the streets u need to be a little careful, its the same no matter where u live in this world... one needs to look after them self!

Sara

[fuzpot]

Sara- i agree with ur points. But i just feel that when students are at medical school-they should feel at ease and safe. Even tough there are controls in place at hostels- life for ladies in particular at such colleges-is not so safe. It is because of the yobbish behaviour of SOME idiot boys- that think they r cool players with girls. There is insecurity in every country and no where is safe.But pakistan is a country that has so much lawless'ness. The police are corrupt and criminal, the law is not enforced at a local level, and i feel for the average girl in places such as karachi!

[eagle]

Hey all,

This thread topic has gone from "Pakistani Medical Schools" to "Women's Rights and Safety". Let's get back on track :rolleyes:


I have a question. I've talked to my cousin who graduated from a med-school in Pakistan. She said that completing med-school in Pakistan does not gurantee you a job there. You have to study onwards to become a specialist and then you'll get somewhere. Anyone care to elaborate on this? Thanks

eagle

[fuzpot]

eagle-

Well, if you do a MBBS from Pakistan, and if u wish to work in Pakistan= then you will earn pennies!. Looks like the UK is no longer a decent place for PAK grad as, there are no jobs for even UK grads these days.

THe USA is the place to be, do not stay and work in pakistan, as it is a step backward in terms of professional development. I am coming across as very harsh on pakistan, im pakistani and love it! But its my view.

[Skipper]

the USA is the place--but that is if you can come back (i.e. an American Citizen or permanent resident)--

hopefully, sooner or later they will tighten up immigration and decrease the amt of non-US citizens/permanent residents allowed to take residency spots--

skipper

[eagle]

hopefully, sooner or later they will tighten up immigration and decrease the amt of non-US citizens/permanent residents allowed to take residency spots--

skipper

and y wuld u want that? :evil:

[sara00]

salam friends,

eagle: its called negative thinking !!!! :twisted:

Skipper: here's sumthing for YOU ...
"Always have positive attitude in life. There is something positive in every person & situation. Even a stopped clock is right twice." ;)

Sara

[Skipper]

and y wuld u want that? :evil:

i think residency programs should go to americans before non-americans. i believe it is better for the country to support americans before foreigners. hopefully one day the amount of non-usa residents will be very small and the majority are US citizens.

i doubt you guys like that idea--oh well---you guys can stay in pakistan---good programs there!

skipper

[eagle]

i think residency programs should go to americans before non-americans. i believe it is better for the country to support americans before foreigners. hopefully one day the amount of non-usa residents will be very small and the majority are US citizens.

i doubt you guys like that idea--oh well---you guys can stay in pakistan---good programs there!

skipper

Dearest skipper,

Firstly, I live in Canada. Secondly, Americans with low averages compared to foreigners with high avrgs should think twice before applying to med schools. Besides, foreigners to the US would do it good - maybe someday a foreigner can rule the country and increase its reputation ;) .

Cheers

eagle
:starwars:

(P.S. where r u from?)

[Skipper]

Dearest skipper,

Firstly, I live in Canada. Secondly, Americans with low averages compared to foreigners with high avrgs should think twice before applying to med schools. Besides, foreigners to the US would do it good - maybe someday a foreigner can rule the country and increase its reputation ;) .

Cheers

eagle
:starwars:

(P.S. where r u from?)

well that is your opinion, but i disagree that a foreigner would improve the US reputation---

either way i can hold my opinion that there should be an great decrease non-US citizens in US residency programs

I am from the USA.

skipper

[Smeer]

Salam all,

2 thoughts this time

First, I don't see why you're worried about foreign competition. In the United States, especially for the next 10 years, I've heard it's a really good time to get residency. True, foreigners do add to the competition, but if they've worked for it...why not let them have it?

Second, I don't mean to offend your beliefs of views in anyway, but personally I feel that it's very ironic to harbor any sort of anti-foreign/non-U.S. citizen feelings, particularly on a topic that has so much to do w/job opportunities and education. In reality, everyone in the U.S. is a foreigner, some people have just been around longer than others. The only real natives are the Native Americans. I don't mean to get all historic about this, I just thought it would be something interesting to consider...

Also, if America is a land of freedom and opportunity, why try to bog down the competition? It's hard enough to even get a visa and attain a good education in many third-world countries. If anyone is good enough to overcome such obstacles, I think they've earned more than enough merit to take up a residency opportunity. To restrict non-U.S. citizen residencies seems like an excuse to justify doing poorly...

I'd have to agree w/eagle, a foreigner w/good-standing and excellent skills would definitely be improving the reputation of the U.S. by adding to the overall efficiency/productivity of the economy and image of labor. You could say that a foreigner is creating greater competition, but like I've said before, it's not at all easy for foreigners to come over; Americans have a far greater advantage in terms of opportunity.

--Smeer

[eagle]

Salam all,

2 thoughts this time

First, I don't see why you're worried about foreign competition. In the United States, especially for the next 10 years, I've heard it's a really good time to get residency. True, foreigners do add to the competition, but if they've worked for it...why not let them have it?

Second, I don't mean to offend your beliefs of views in anyway, but personally I feel that it's very ironic to harbor any sort of anti-foreign/non-U.S. citizen feelings, particularly on a topic that has so much to do w/job opportunities and education. In reality, everyone in the U.S. is a foreigner, some people have just been around longer than others. The only real natives are the Native Americans. I don't mean to get all historic about this, I just thought it would be something interesting to consider...

Also, if America is a land of freedom and opportunity, why try to bog down the competition? It's hard enough to even get a visa and attain a good education in many third-world countries. If anyone is good enough to overcome such obstacles, I think they've earned more than enough merit to take up a residency opportunity. To restrict non-U.S. citizen residencies seems like an excuse to justify doing poorly...

I'd have to agree w/eagle, a foreigner w/good-standing and excellent skills would definitely be improving the reputation of the U.S. by adding to the overall efficiency/productivity of the economy and image of labor. You could say that a foreigner is creating greater competition, but like I've said before, it's not at all easy for foreigners to come over; Americans have a far greater advantage in terms of opportunity.

--Smeer

Salaam Smeer,

offtopic: I think I should call u Dr. Smeer now too ;) . Very nicely said!!

eagle

[Skipper]

Foreginers always think they have the right to take from america, it always surpises me. Especially the ones from areas that have great anti-american and western world beliefs.

by the way i see that you people were protesting and burning flags, how was that? did you guys get a day off from school to join?

skipper

[eagle]

Foreginers always think they have the right to take from america, it always surpises me. Especially the ones from areas that have great anti-american and western world beliefs.
by the way i see that you people were protesting and burning flags, how was that? did you guys get a day off from school to join?
skipper

Assyrianskipper,

Most people replying on this forum aren't living in Pakistan. So stop assuming!!

Secondly, you've got great guts to support the US in all it's causes. I can name several humanitarian reasons why the US is so poor in reputation. Stop praising "your" country here! And let the forum stick to "Medical Schools in Pakistan."!!!

eagle

(P.S. I suggest you take time off from posting in valuemd and study history, human geography and politics.)

[sara00]

salam ,

Skipper: Alright Skipper, thank you for sharing ur negative opinions with all of us...lets just hope what ever the futurs holds , may it bring good to everyone..u and us!!! (dont know why ur acting like that with us...we never said nor did anything to u and yet u come in our thread and start saying all these negative things against us!...why friend? its like going to sumone's house and telling them ur food sucks, ur house is ugly,etc... these are not good qualities in a person..so be careful next time! :evil: )

Everyone: Anyways lets go back to "pakistani medical schools"...guys...iss ki baaton ko naa sunoo...hum saab jaan tay hay yeh saari ooltee sidi baatay kar raaha hay...so guys dont waste time and ur brain cells on pointless things like that...chorro iss ko yaar! ;)

I have sum info on private med schools, all those thinkiing of applying this year, its a good idea to also appy to sum private ones as a back up plan! so here's all the good ones, from the best to the least!

1) Aga Khan (www.aku.edu (http://www.aku.edu), application is due march 2,2006)
2) NUST its an army med school in rawalpindi (www.nust.edu.pk (http://www.nust.edu.pk) , application is due march 10, 2006)
3) Baquai in karachi (check out their website)
4) Lahore medical and dental (applications will come out end of aug, 2006)
5) Ziauddin/fatima memorial (application available in aug,2006)
6) shifa/islamic etc... (check out their websites)

So those are among the best private med school in pakistan,

Hope this helps,

Sara

[ni203]

Hi guys,
I have been reading replies on this thread, and I have to say Sara you are really a great person to be able to help out so many students with information. I really wish you all the best.

I am interested to study medicine in South Asia, because I actually do believe that studying medicine in established colleges with well reputation is much better and wiser way to spend money, than to study at new colleges in the Caribbean.

I was wondering if someone can tell me how hard is the transition from living in western countries to living in South Asian countries. It would be great if you guys especially those of who, who are foreign students in Pakistan from North America can share your transition experience with me.

Also, I was wondering do the local students treat foreign students badly. I have heard that local students think foreign students are not as smart as they are because local students have to sit for entrance exam and foreign students don’t.

So please, people do share your experiences with me. Oh one more thing, does the Sr students make fun of 1st yr female students as well or is it just Sr male students picks on jr male students?

Anyways best of luck to you all.

[Skipper]

Assyrianskipper,

Most people replying on this forum aren't living in Pakistan. So stop assuming!!

Secondly, you've got great guts to support the US in all it's causes. I can name several humanitarian reasons why the US is so poor in reputation. Stop praising "your" country here! And let the forum stick to "Medical Schools in Pakistan."!!!

eagle

(P.S. I suggest you take time off from posting in valuemd and study history, human geography and politics.)

well i am assuming you guys go to school in pakistan. EDIT

EDIT

Well if america has a bad reputation, why do you people want to come and take residency positions in the "Evil America". That doesn't make sense to me maybe you should take residency positions in pakistan?

skipper

[ayesha_87]

well i am assuming you guys go to school in pakistan. therefore i was wondering if you guys had a day off from school to burn flags and chant anti-western comments.

this information is essential for anyone considering going to pakistan, especially for those who arent paki. people need to know what kind of backward life style they are getting themselves into with going to pakistan.

Well if america has a bad reputation, why do you people want to come and take residency positions in the "Evil America". That doesn't make sense to me maybe you should take residency positions in pakistan?

skipper
MOST PPL HERE LIVE IN THE UK? USA OR CANDA AND ARE WANTING TO STUDY MEDICINE IN PAKISTAN.....DUHHH....CANT U TELL?????? :mad: :p

hmmm.......skipper.........it seems to be that u have said too much abt our country Pakistan....as eagle said....most ppl r from the UK/ USA or Canada and are wanting to transfer to reputable medical colleges in pakistan....lissen...pakistani medical schools r great!!...they may not have the facilities but they do have the academic success rates!!!.....if pakistanis were not living in the Western Society....certainly this wud have a knock on effect upon UK/ USA or Canada's economy. judging by ure name Assyrianskipper....u seem to be syrian.....Muslim ...i guess.... then in such a case y r u then blabing on abt Pakistanis living in the western society....

So please start studying and stop wasting ure time...and let ppl get back to the original topic of 'Medical Colleges in Pakistan'....

[Skipper]

MOST PPL HERE LIVE IN THE UK? USA OR CANDA AND ARE WANTING TO STUDY MEDICINE IN PAKISTAN.....DUHHH....CANT U TELL?????? :mad: :p

hmmm.......skipper.........it seems to be that u have said too much abt our country Pakistan....as eagle said....most ppl r from the UK/ USA or Canada and are wanting to transfer to reputable medical colleges in pakistan....lissen...pakistani medical schools r great!!...they may not have the facilities but they do have the academic success rates!!!.....if pakistanis were not living in the Western Society....certainly this wud have a knock on effect upon UK/ USA or Canada's economy. judging by ure name Assyrianskipper....u seem to be syrian.....Muslim ...i guess.... then in such a case y r u then blabing on abt Pakistanis living in the western society....

So please start studying and stop wasting ure time...and let ppl get back to the original topic of 'Medical Colleges in Pakistan'....


i am not SYRIAN--please get it right, I am AMERICAN with ASSYRIAN hertiage and NO WERE NOT MUSLIMS we are CHRISTIANS--

if you dont know what an Assyrian is, then please look it up and read the history behind our ancient empire---

Assyrian People are raised with Western Mentalities---Most of the Assyrian people have fled the strict Islamic law that is forced upon our people

why are you people anger that i point out to the rest of the people here that pakistan has a strict conservative mind set, and people who are not use to that should be careful going there---

especially westerners, christians, and jews---it is simple warning---pakistan is not as friendly as you people make it out to be

skipper

[sara00]

heeey ni203,

first of all thank you for ur good wishes, and welcome to this thread...sorry for all this mess right now...is just that our friend Skipper loves us so much that he/she doesnt wanna leave us :rolleyes:

Anyways, to answer to ur questions...well I'll be honest with u...its hard to adjust to the environment in the beginning but eventually u get use to it, cuz South Asia is not modern and well developped like North America, but some big cites down there are pretty good to live in. Even sum of the private med schools are all air coditionnned, good lab rooms, overall good facilities for students. Some med schools in pakistan that have all these good building structures are Aga Khan, Shifa, Lahore Medical and dental, etc...

Only the government med schools are not as good as private ones and thats cuz they get payed from the government but private ones since u pay them good money...thats why they can provide good environment for students. But the teaching in govenment med schools are waaaay better than private med schools, except Aga Khan (private)...thats among the best med of pakistan!

And about getting teased from seniors....only in sum government med schools forgeiners might get bullied but that only last few weeks, and its nothing serious, just u know jokes here and there,like sing a song for all of us...and they usally pick on guys and less on gurls! but u can always ignore these things, and after few weeks everyone gets soo busy with their studies since the course laod is soo much that ppl forget teasing others, cuz everyone starts focusing on their studies ...so they can all do good in med school!

But overall, once u get use to live down there, then trust me u'll start enjoying it! its not a bad idea to apply toSouth Asian med schools...infact its good if u dont wanna do ur BSc. first and then try for Noth Amrican med schools...cuz they are kinda hard to get in...but if u can do the American way...thats waay better so that way u wont stuggle for residency! And yeah ur right Caribbean med schools dont have that good of a standard around the world...so its worthgoingto a well-known, and high standard med school...cuz if u graduate from a caribbean med school or a south asian med school..both ways u'll be an IMG...so why not graduate from a school thats well-known, right?

But what ever u plan to do,wish u all the best in life!! and if u have any questions or comment regarding pakistani med schools, feel free to post them here and we'll all try our best to help u out...gooood luck! :)

take care,

Sara

[zan]

Hmm the bullying will last for 4 months, but it is slowly receding. There is 1 other guy from detroit in my class and one girl from pittsburgh. It takes time to transfer, one my friends dads is really good friends with Sindh Medicals VC so I can prolly transfer there. But trasnferring through punjab is sort of hard becuase the governor is involved of Punjab and Sindh, but my moms cousin who use to be the mayor of Faisalabad, is helping me out. So Inshallah I can trasnfer but time is time. Also the study has started. Wed and Thurs school was boycotted, due to 1st yr mbbs students not receiving rooms, this is the norm at this school. Its more at LUMHS then other school, but it does happen at other schools, but I think it happens most of at LUMHS. But for some reason I think the Government Med Schools are better then the Private med schools except Aga Khan. They have an established hospital, and have been teaching students for a long time. Right now im in Karachi for Muharaam Vacation.

[fuzpot]

I think that there needs to be a particular type of person that can study and integrate in well within pakistan medical colleges. In terms of overseas students, students need to be pretty hard!, with thick skin and assertive. The environment can be daunting for pakistanis that have not lived much in pakistan. However, i have no doubt that a pakistani MBBS is of very high standards and is recognised globally. But i feel that if you wish to study in pakistan and ur from UK/USA-- think about it very carefully.

By the way, great win by pak in the las test match!! hope we win the ODI's.

--SARA-- anything that i may have sed that disrespected you- i sincerely apologise whole heartedley.

[ni203]

fuzpot, you are right; giving up life style of US/Canada is a be a big sacrifice.

The students need to be mature enough to have a mind set to be able to adapt to the changes of environment and be able to concentrate fully on their goal of becoming a physician.

I am not sure if any of you guys have heard any comments from your friends/relatives in Pakistan that “people goes to US, Canada, Eng, Aust to study and you are coming to Pakistan to study?” Those comments can be very discouraging, and you are right students need to have “thick” skin in order to prevent themselves from being discouraged.


I think, getting an education from established institution is much better than getting from where there are possibilities that the institution might be in danger of closing down (like many Caribbean medical schools except the top 3), because then you end up losing your money and time!

Yeah…It is a lottttttt of work, but I believe people can do anything as long as they can work hard (hehe positive thinking is very important in these situation).

I wish you guys vest of luck, I mean you guys know what is best for yourself more than anyone else, so just hang in there and get the degree and pass USMLE

[sara00]

salam friends,

zan: good to hear the bulling thing is slowing down and nicee to hear u got forgeiners at ur school too...grrreat news! :) and inshalla u'll get transfer too...keep trying! and yeah mee too I like government med school better than private cuz they have been for many years as compare to private ones..excpt Aga...always the best of the best! ;)

fuzpot: forgiven my friend! ;) ...and ur right one needs to be strong enough to go down there...its not as easy at it may seem...its a stuggle...but inshalla if ur ambitious and really take medicine seriously then one can do it! onlyfirst few years are very hard...but it gets better in the end!

ni203: hehe....that saying...I hear it 24/7 from all my relatives and family...at first I use to get very very discouraged...but after thinking alot...I realized..u know...its doesnt matter what ppl say...cuz thats what ppl do...as long as u think its a good idea and u think u sure can accomplish ur goal by going to pak then try to convince them and show them that ur idea is not as bad as it may seem...infact u have more chances of becoming a doc in a pakistani med school then going for ur BSc degree first and then trying for med schools...thats how I see it now....but my parents and brothers still think the whole "pak" idea is not good...its hard to satisfy ur loved once...and not get disencouraged...like u said...to stay positive...helps alot in situations like this!

Alright friends, wish u guys all the very best in ur careers!
take care,

Sara

[fuzpot]

Pakistan medical colleges seemed a little easier for overseas students to gain admission maybe 5-6 years ago. However, i guess the relavent authorities have tried to adopt a more stringent system for us overseas pak students. I have made my feelings about the fairness and legitimacy of certain aspects of the process pretty clear earlier. We must remember that an MBBS is 5 years in pak, that is not a short period of time, nor an easy period time when living in a country like pakistan.

I can barely cope with the heat,the lack of necessary comforts (most of the time) when im on holiday to karachi for 3-4 weeks. I love the buzz in karachi and the constant life of the city 24hrs a day.But living there as a student, especially without the strong guidance of my mum!. I feel its not the best option for me. I need 2 be reaslistic! i would find 5 weeks tough, so maybe 5 years- is a no no.
Anyway, that is me!. But rest of you USA guys and girls, think of how you live in the US, ur lifestyles etc and comforts. Now really think hard about going to a pak medical college. Nothing is impossible, and i guess GOD is the ultimate decision maker!.

[ayesha_87]

Pakistan medical colleges seemed a little easier for overseas students to gain admission maybe 5-6 years ago. However, i guess the relavent authorities have tried to adopt a more stringent system for us overseas pak students. I have made my feelings about the fairness and legitimacy of certain aspects of the process pretty clear earlier. We must remember that an MBBS is 5 years in pak, that is not a short period of time, nor an easy period time when living in a country like pakistan.

I can barely cope with the heat,the lack of necessary comforts (most of the time) when im on holiday to karachi for 3-4 weeks. I love the buzz in karachi and the constant life of the city 24hrs a day.But living there as a student, especially without the strong guidance of my mum!. I feel its not the best option for me. I need 2 be reaslistic! i would find 5 weeks tough, so maybe 5 years- is a no no.
Anyway, that is me!. But rest of you USA guys and girls, think of how you live in the US, ur lifestyles etc and comforts. Now really think hard about going to a pak medical college. Nothing is impossible, and i guess GOD is the ultimate decision maker!.

hey fuzpot!
correct me if i am wrong!!!...but u have just completed a BSc degree at Kings ryt??? Well,go to st george's hospital medical school (uni of london) website....and they might be able to take u as a transfer student for the MBBS programme...hope this helps.

Wsalam

[itihad]

I can barely cope with the heat,the lack of necessary comforts (most of the time) when im on holiday to karachi for 3-4 weeks. I love the buzz in karachi and the constant life of the city 24hrs a day.But living there as a student, especially without the strong guidance of my mum!. I feel its not the best option for me. I need 2 be reaslistic! i would find 5 weeks tough, so maybe 5 years- is a no no.
Anyway, that is me!. But rest of you USA guys and girls, think of how you live in the US, ur lifestyles etc and comforts. Now really think hard about going to a pak medical college. Nothing is impossible, and i guess GOD is the ultimate decision maker!.

In Karachi you have a lot of facilities, and comforts too. So I dont know why you're saying lack of necessary comforts, because everything seems to be there. Also Islamabad has comforts if that's what you're after.

Most foreigners who go to pak to study probably go because some sort of family is there, and they already know some stuff about the country, and the benefit of it being ure home country.

I was reading a blog of one US guy studying in pak and he seemed to have all the comforts available...but ofcourse u tend to miss family...so that's why its a benefit if you already have family there.

[fuzpot]

Well, ok maybe i have been mis-understood. I meant that essential things such as water, electricity, cleanliness and rule of law are not ALWAYS present and there is no reliability. I am not trying to criticize pakistan, i love the place!.

But if i were president lol i would at least try to improve infrastructure and try to deliver good services and health care. Pakistan is modernising in terms of KFC's, pizza hut and designer clothes. But we need to see modernisation of essentials!. Look at the rubbish healthcare service!, my grandmother in karachi- needed to wait for 8hrs for an ambulance to take her from one hosp to another.Then the ambulance that arrived was like a tin can of beans. THere was no oxygen, no medical assistance. And she was a in a severe cardiac failure state.

It pisses me off, that pakistan is such a huge powerful and nuclear nation-- however we do not see any improvements in the basics!.

[sara00]

salam,

I uderstand what u mean fuzpot, but look at it from another point of view...not everyone is fortunate enough to become a doctor in US/Can/UK and thats why us students we are trying to find alternative paths...and pakistani med schools happens to be one the best pathway!! We all know its not easy to leave home (ur loved ones, parents, siblings, the most precious things in our world)....We all know its not easy to become a doctor and then make it back to US/Can/UK...and We all know its not easy to adapt to a different environemt (food, heat, incests)....we ALL know about these things....but still every year hundered of oversea students apply for Pakistani med schools....why do u think?? ...there is only ONE big reason why...and that's cuz we all want to accomplish our dream, to be respected in society, to serve humanity, and most importantly to make our parents proud!!! :)
And to gain all this there are many sacrifices and hard work one need to put in, but its all worth it in the end, so that one can have a good, happy life! ;)
Its not that bad living in big cities...they are pretty developped like ithad said...true some things are not as good as others, but come on yaar its Pakistan...trust me u'll survive, its hard at first...but fun as u get use to living down there...esp if u have friends and releatives....bohaat maza atta hay!!!! :cool:

ayesha: thank you for always looking after these forums! ;)

***IMPORTANT REGARDING IBCC***: all those applying to pak med schools , when u'll be sending in ur marks for conversion , u'll also be sending in photocopies of ur passport, and other documents...but make sure ALL ur documents are ATTESTED...meaning stamped by ur doctor, some lawyer, or even from the pak embassy...any would be good! DONT FORGET THAT!! orelse they wont except ur documents and as a result ur marks wont get converted...I just remeberd that so I thought I should let u guys know so no one suffers!

Sara