AUA announces agreement with LCME medical school [Archive]

dwoodward

08-13-2009, 01:47 PM

AUA Becomes the First and Only International Med School Located in the Caribbean to Affiliate with a U.S. LCME Accredited Medical School.

The American University of Antigua is pleased to announce that it has entered into a unique affiliation agreement with San Juan Bautista (SJB), School of Medicine – a U.S. LCME-accredited medical school (http://www.lcme.org/directry.htm). This joint effort will offer qualified AUA students the opportunity to participate in clinical clerkships as enrolled visiting students of SJB. SJB has clinical sites in Florida and Puerto Rico. These sites have all the necessary resources that meet the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) guidelines.

In addition, SJB, based on their positive faculty review of AUA, has agreed to give transfer priority to AUA students subject to availability and students meeting their requirements for transfer.

AUA is the first and only Caribbean medical school that has been able to enter into an affiliation with a United States, LCME accredited medical school that will provide clinical clerkship opportunities and the opportunity to transfer.

Kit_Kat

08-13-2009, 05:24 PM

You've stated that SJB offers clinical sites in Florida as well. Is there a site in Miami by any chance? If so, then when will Miami be offered as a clinical site? What core and elective clerkships are offered at the Florida clinical sites? Thank you for answering my questions.

smu200

08-13-2009, 05:32 PM

oh wow..>CONGRATS AUA. That's an awesome accomplishment. Now what the heck is SMU admin doing? Why couldn't they bring forth some deal like this

dwoodward

08-13-2009, 06:06 PM

You can't actually apply to the Florida sites, they are just part of the overall program at SJB, and could be an option later based on availability. Basically, all AUA students assigned to SJB as visiting students would do their initial rotations at the SJB hospital in San juan.

niazdevaj

08-13-2009, 06:23 PM

thanks for the hard work Mr. W, nice to know AUA is making advances.

Hiphopononomous

08-13-2009, 06:40 PM

If the training is done at San Juan Bautista Medical Center, I would really check into whether or not this is a greenbook site. I looked on the ACGME website, and this medical center is not listed as having any greenbooks. Maybe I just wasnt looking in the right place, but hopefully SJB has other sites in PR that are greenbook.

ACGME Accredited Program and Institutional Listing - Public Access (http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/default.asp)

DrSpeaksSoftly

08-13-2009, 08:22 PM

Gecko

08-13-2009, 08:42 PM

I was actually offered a spot at this location a few weeks ago. Just an FYI, this location is not ACGME certified and you MUST be fluent in Spanish. The doctor I spoke to (he works there) said fluency in Spanish is a must. You can do all your rotations there though....so up to you.

Are you sure, the first poster said that it was an LCME Accredited Med school. Doesn't that mean that the rotations are greenbook?

DrSpeaksSoftly

08-13-2009, 08:45 PM

Are you sure, the first poster said that it was an LCME Accredited Med school. Doesn't that mean that the rotations are greenbook?

I am positive, I spoke to a doctor (through the school) at that location. LCME is not ACGME so it is not green. I am not sure if the residential programs will accept it in leu of ACGME but it is NOT considered a greenbook. I repeat, according to the "horse's mouth" this is not green.

DrSpeaksSoftly

08-13-2009, 10:07 PM

I am still trying to understand the LCME accreditation. I did find this though:
LCME: Overview: Accreditation and the LCME (http://www.lcme.org/overview.htm)

Graduates of LCME-accredited schools eligible for residency programs accredited by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (http://www.acgme.org/) (ACGME).

So if I am understanding this, basically you can do your residency at ACGME approved residential programs. But the part I am still a bit confused is when you do your ERAS paperwork for match there is a section where you check off whether or not your rotations were ACGME certified. So I don't know if we could check the "yes" box. If Sree or Nicstx sees this could you please weigh in?

Agraphia

08-15-2009, 02:47 AM

I am positive, I spoke to a doctor (through the school) at that location. LCME is not ACGME so it is not green. I am not sure if the residential programs will accept it in leu of ACGME but it is NOT considered a greenbook. I repeat, according to the "horse's mouth" this is not green.

Nice... so whats the big deal with this then? Just more non-greenbook sites.... classic!

iAstep

08-19-2009, 01:44 AM

I was offered this too, and I turned it down... I dont speak a word of spanish? Except maybe uno and ola:(

dnth8mecuzuaintme

08-20-2009, 03:18 PM

its "hola"..

gfunkmagic

08-20-2009, 03:33 PM

Just because the school is LCME certified doesn't mean the rotations are ACGME certified. In fact, even most medical student in the US school don't necessarily do all their clerkships in ACGME certified locations. It isn't a big deal for US med students because they don't have to worry about state licsensure etc. Thus doing rotations in LCME accredicated locations doesn't necessarily mean its ACGME certified. Having said that, AUA having this this agreement with SJB is really awesome becuase LCME really trumpts everything else. Way to go AUA!:D

Tipton

08-20-2009, 03:41 PM

LCME really trumpts everything else. Way to go AUA!:D

TRUMPS! That's the verb I was looking for...

iAstep

08-20-2009, 10:51 PM

its "hola"..

Thanks...good thing I declined the offer then;)

NewbiePA2013

08-25-2009, 01:31 PM

Just wondering, with this new affiliation is there a possibility of getting Fed loans; maybe not for basic sciences but for clinicals??? I really would like to go to AUA but loans are still a big problem. Gerry

newby

09-07-2009, 06:24 PM

I don't know what's up with the new clinical coordinator D, she's giving rotation slots at this new school in Puerto Rico to students that openly tell her they don't speak a lick of spanish. It's like who cares about your learning experience as long as you get a spot and the school gets their money. Even though I'm done in three weeks and with all this madness I feel the newer students are gonna get shafted.
Guys, ask lots of questions and dont let them tell you any rotation is fine.
Good Luck

Agraphia

09-07-2009, 08:49 PM

thanks for the heads up newby. I look forward to the day I finish schol and dont have to deal with AUA

newby

09-07-2009, 10:46 PM

Agraphia, just keep looking forward, and best advice is if u have downtime, kaplan notes, videos, usmleworld or whatever works for u. A little everyday will make CK review much easier.

Agraphia

10-01-2009, 07:20 PM

Im really confused here. So even though SJB is a LCME accredited school which is a US med school, if I do my rotations here, I will have trouble with licensure? I was offered OB and peds here and im stuck in what to decide on wether to take it. I need to have at least done all my cores greenbook or AOA approved

Tipton

10-02-2009, 08:51 AM

I'm not the most conversant in this topic. But it seems pretty clear to me that any rotations completed in an LCME setting would trump anything in ACMGE, AOA...etc. The way it was explained to me was: imagine a state medical board deciding that a student's clinical experience does not qualify because it was done at a US (LCME) Med School. How would the board be able to justify that? Greenbook, Bluebook...etc. designations ONLY relate to off-shore students.

Agraphia

10-02-2009, 11:11 AM

Agraphia

10-02-2009, 11:54 AM

so, does anyone know if I transfer to SJB wether I would have problem with licensure in the future even though its an LCME accredited US school but not ACGME approved? thanks

troytroy07

10-02-2009, 01:34 PM

Agraphia

I was thinking of transferring also. Im not sure if your fluent in spanish but just think about the fact that you will be learning all ur cores completely in spanish. From what i've been told this is a very frustrating process.

As many others have told me just make sure its the right decision for you.

Sorry i dont kno more about the LCME vs ACGME thing :(

Tipton

10-02-2009, 01:58 PM

Another thing to keep in mind here is that NO ONE has a crystal ball to be able to see what a particular state medical board will decide when a graduate of AUA applies for a temporary license to practice during residency or for a full license. Has anyone asked a board how they fell about LCME Rotations in an IMG's resume / application now?

rokshana

10-02-2009, 03:20 PM

thanks tipton.
This really sucks because I have to make a decision soon. I was actually thinking about transferring to SJB... I have above a 2.5 GPA needed and I did pass the step on the first try. Im just worrued that if I transfer, I would have trouble with Licensure... but why would I have trouble with licensure if I finished all my clinical 2 years at an LCME accredited school. im stuck

if you transfer and graduate as an SJB student, you will have no problems...you will be an AMG...period.

however if you are a graduate of AUA, don't assume that rotations that you do at SJB are safe...make sure that the rotations are done where there is an ACGME residency...what is allowed for LCME students is not always ok for foreign students doing rotations in the US...and for all intensive purposes SJB is USCE. Double and triple check with the state boards that are pertaint to you.

rokshana

10-02-2009, 03:21 PM

so, does anyone know if I transfer to SJB wether I would have problem with licensure in the future even though its an LCME accredited US school but not ACGME approved? thanks

ACGME has nothing to do with med school...it the American Council on Graduate Medical Education...they deal with residencies.

mkulob

10-03-2009, 03:38 PM

Another thing to keep in mind here is that NO ONE has a crystal ball

No crystal ball? I was told by a guy who was standing in line at Papi's once that his sister went to Ross and that NS told everyone he DID have a crystal ball.

Ooh..I think shelves are driving me nutty.

OK, so the Spanish thing is frustrating, but far less frustrating if the folks here get the impression that you're trying. Surgery actually ended up not being that bad, Spanish wise. Mostly because most of the patients were anesthesized and didn't speak ANY language.

As for LCME/ACGME, this is the first time ever ever ever this has happened. From what I hear, Texas said AOK to visiting students of an LCME school. California told me I should speak to an analyst, as this situation doesn't have a clear cut answer...I'll call her back after my shelf, I promise. Those of you who have lots of time on your hands, feel free to call your state board and let me know what they say.

My guess, boards will deny us at first, but will have a hard time coming up with reasons that make sense to a judge. Did you know we have a full time lawyer just in case such an occasion should arise? Did you know we've sued state boards before?

OK enough out of me.

Tipton

10-03-2009, 07:08 PM

My guess, boards will deny us at first, but will have a hard time coming up with reasons that make sense to a judge. Did you know we have a full time lawyer just in case such an occasion should arise?

I've heard that's how our grad at Tufts was able to keep her spot over the objections of the Mass board.

mkulob

10-03-2009, 07:36 PM

We have a grad at Tufts? Where else do we have grads?

Agraphia

10-05-2009, 11:06 PM

Im thinking of doing pediatrics here. Where is Sree or docp when you need them... would really like their input on doing a core rotation here. Or else I here that the next available green spot in the US is early janurary