NP to MD Transition program

[viki]

Did anybody heard about the transitional program from NP to MD at the University of science and technology in Montserrat??????????????

[Aviv Imanuel]

Yes, I have, unless you have a strong background in basic sciences, don't do it. USAT is similar to IUHS in it's delivery of basic sciences, don't take any shortcuts. AMEN!

Did anybody heard about the transitional program from NP to MD at the University of science and technology in Montserrat??????????????

[UHSADOC]

Forget about ANY Transitions programs out there, no such thing, and you might as well study the whole thing properly from the begining if you want to pass the USMLEs !!!
Furthermore, you will run into licensing issues, later on !!

[Sauwill]

Not to sound overly confident, but I'm sure that I could pass the USMLE with little study time if given the opportunity. I already practice as an FNP and have for several years (currently working on DNP). Its too bad the medical associations would never allow such a bridge program even though the data does not support their theories. Pass rate for NPs who have challenged the USMLE equals that of graduate MDs.

[StickItInDaHole]

Not to sound overly confident, but I'm sure that I could pass the USMLE with little study time if given the opportunity. I already practice as an FNP and have for several years (currently working on DNP). Its too bad the medical associations would never allow such a bridge program even though the data does not support their theories. Pass rate for NPs who have challenged the USMLE equals that of graduate MDs.

I have to completely disagree with you because I'm also a FNP/CCNP and have been practicing for many years even as an assistant director of a hospital. I finally ended up going into medical school and the cirriculum is completely different than what we as NP's do. As an NP you do not learn any basic sciences taught in the first and second years of medical school. There is NO way an NP can pass the USMLE without previous schooling for it. Trust me Im ive seen it from both sides of the spectrum.

[Tipton]

FYI Danal - "viki" and "sauwill" are fitting the viral-marketing profile here.

Good post. But you're casting pearls before swine.

[tennisball80]

FYI Danal - "viki" and "sauwill" are fitting the viral-marketing profile here.

Good post. But you're casting pearls before swine.

Mr. Tipton,

Do you think it's hard for a nursing major to get into a medical school because there is also a nursing shortage in the U.S. The applicants should have a clear reason that they want to become a doctor instead of nurse, eh?

[Tipton]

Mr. Tipton,

Do you think it's hard for a nursing major to get into a medical school because there is also a nursing shortage in the U.S. The applicants should have a clear reason that they want to become a doctor instead of nurse, eh?

It would be academically a challenge to change from a Nursing degree program to Premed since NUrsing degrees usually require a lot of clinical course work which gets in the way of completing the prerequisites for medical school.

I don't see why a change in direction would be seen as a negative particularly since an undergraduate degree in the US is seen as a time of exploration and discovery rather than professional training.

[NPMD18]

So I have to disagree with you as well...Prior to entering med school I took the USMLE as a practice with my med school friends at the time and did better than some of them and of course passed. Yes, the curriculum is different, however the nursing school I went to required Gen. Chem, O chem, etc, so I had the basic science background.

I have to completely disagree with you because I'm also a FNP/CCNP and have been practicing for many years even as an assistant director of a hospital. I finally ended up going into medical school and the cirriculum is completely different than what we as NP's do. As an NP you do not learn any basic sciences taught in the first and second years of medical school. There is NO way an NP can pass the USMLE without previous schooling for it. Trust me Im ive seen it from both sides of the spectrum.

[Tipton]

So I have to disagree with you as well...Prior to entering med school I took the USMLE as a practice with my med school friends at the time and did better than some of them and of course passed. Yes, the curriculum is different, however the nursing school I went to required Gen. Chem, O chem, etc, so I had the basic science background.

I think you mean the MCAT.

[tennisball80]

So I have to disagree with you as well...Prior to entering med school I took the USMLE as a practice with my med school friends at the time and did better than some of them and of course passed. Yes, the curriculum is different, however the nursing school I went to required Gen. Chem, O chem, etc, so I had the basic science background.

Are ****ing seriously? USMLE during undergrad? :confused::confused::confused:

[handy388]

Are ****ing seriously? USMLE during undergrad? :confused::confused::confused:

of course not fucking seriously because USMLE does not test ochem nor chemistry.

[shawnm3]

Uhh, not sure where you got this data but I can almost gurantee you will not be able to pass step 1. Furthermore, data from Columbia's DNP programs showed that less than 50% were able to pass a heavily watered down version of step 3; by far the easiest of te steps. Sorry but there is no comparison between the programs of study. If you wanted to be a doctor you should have gone to med school.


Not to sound overly confident, but I'm sure that I could pass the USMLE with little study time if given the opportunity. I already practice as an FNP and have for several years (currently working on DNP). Its too bad the medical associations would never allow such a bridge program even though the data does not support their theories. Pass rate for NPs who have challenged the USMLE equals that of graduate MDs.

[Aviv Imanuel]

I am sorry because you are misleading everyone here. To take the USMLE you have to be endorsed by e MEDICAL SCHOOL, the NBME or the ECFMG will verify that with the school after you have paid the required fee, and after they have verified that INDEED you completed your first 2 years of MEDICAL SCHOOL. I am sorry to rain down on your parade but you are not telling the truth. That simple.

So I have to disagree with you as well...Prior to entering med school I took the USMLE as a practice with my med school friends at the time and did better than some of them and of course passed. Yes, the curriculum is different, however the nursing school I went to required Gen. Chem, O chem, etc, so I had the basic science background.

[leadsled]

I've noticed that USAT of Montserrat advertises the NP to MD program in US nursing magazines. Hence, the reason for Viki's original question about a transitional program.

Although USAT is listed in the IMED directory I could not find it listed in the WHO directory provided by the University of Copenhagen.
2007+ WHO Directory (Medical schools) – University of Copenhagen (http://avicenna.ku.dk/database/WHO_directory/)

A W.H.O.listing is crucial if you plan on using your degree internationally. I'm surprised that IMED listed the school in their directory without it being in the WHO directory.

[Aviv Imanuel]

That is strange, but not unusual I guess. It reminds of the IUHS, et-al.

I've noticed that USAT of Montserrat advertises the NP to MD program in US nursing magazines. Hence, the reason for Viki's original question about a transitional program.

Although USAT is listed in the IMED directory I could not find it listed in the WHO directory provided by the University of Copenhagen.
2007+ WHO Directory (Medical schools) – University of Copenhagen (http://avicenna.ku.dk/database/WHO_directory/)

A W.H.O.listing is crucial if you plan on using your degree internationally. I'm surprised that IMED listed the school in their directory without it being in the WHO directory.

[Tipton]

I can't even find Monserrat on the Avicenna databse. Help?

[Aviv Imanuel]

Nope, you won't, the school is missing the CAAM-HP accreditation, Montserrat can have them there, but not listed in AVICENNA until CAAM gives them some sort of accreditation, which, per the administration (the Montserrat minister of health whom with I correspond), is still a work in progress. So, in the mean time, I do not recommend ANY NP-MD programs, they don't work, as fancy as they look.

I can't even find Monserrat on the Avicenna databse. Help?

[leadsled]

I can't even find Monserrat on the Avicenna databse. Help?

IMED directory shows two medical schools in Montserrat. Apparently, if the host government does not inform WHO then it isn't listed.

This is bizarre that a government will grant a business licenses to operate as a medical school and not forward the paperwork to WHO stating it is a bona fide medical school recognized by that particular sovereign country.

[Aviv Imanuel]

Remember, the local government is autonomous, they can let it operate. The case of Montserrat is unique, it is still a UK colony, therefore everything must go through different channels within their autonomy. The other school , Soul Central closed some time ago.


IMED directory shows two medical schools in Montserrat. Apparently, if the host government does not inform WHO then it isn't listed.

This is bizarre that a government will grant a business licenses to operate as a medical school and not forward the paperwork to WHO stating it is a bona fide medical school recognized by that particular sovereign country.

[leadsled]

Nope, you won't, the school is missing the CAAM-HP accreditation, Montserrat can have them there, but not listed in AVICENNA until CAAM gives them some sort of accreditation, which, per the administration (the Montserrat minister of health whom with I correspond), is still a work in progress. So, in the mean time, I do not recommend ANY NP-MD programs, they don't work, as fancy as they look.

I also don't see them listed in the IAU database.
List of Universities of the World (http://www.iau-aiu.net/onlinedatabases/list.html)

On an interesting note, IUHS of St. Kitts is listed in all three databases, IMED, WHO and IAU but is not CAAM accredited.

[Tipton]

I also don't see them listed in the IAU database.
List of Universities of the World (http://www.iau-aiu.net/onlinedatabases/list.html)

IUHS of St. Kitts is listed in all three, IMED, WHO and IAU but not CAAM accredited.

Why would anyone care if something is listed there? It has 18 US universities listed. What significance would that have for medical licensure?

[leadsled]

Why would anyone care if something is listed there? It has 18 US universities listed. What significance would that have for medical licensure?

You are not using the database correctly there are tens of thousands of schools listed throughout the globe and it is part of the United Nations educational database.

[Tipton]

Yes. I am using it correctly. There are 18 US universities listed there. I counted. Why would anyone seeking medical licensure in the US care if it is connected to the UN?

[leadsled]

Yes. I am using it correctly. There are 18 US universities listed there. I counted. Why would anyone seeking medical licensure in the US care if it is connected to the UN?

Well, since accreditation by CAAM was brought up, the list provided by the United Nations database provides a list of 10's of thousands of universities accredited by their country.

Step 1: Under list of Universities of the World select a country
Step 2: Click on country and hit search, try United States for example
Step 3. Take note of "accredited schools"

[Aviv Imanuel]

St. Kitts is unique!
Again, the colonial status of Montserrat is peculiar for these kind of things.



I also don't see them listed in the IAU database.
List of Universities of the World (http://www.iau-aiu.net/onlinedatabases/list.html)

On an interesting note, IUHS of St. Kitts is listed in all three databases, IMED, WHO and IAU but is not CAAM accredited.

[Aviv Imanuel]

Sorry dude, but there are more than 18, hundreds if not thousands.

Yes. I am using it correctly. There are 18 US universities listed there. I counted. Why would anyone seeking medical licensure in the US care if it is connected to the UN?

[leadsled]

St. Kitts is unique!
Again, the colonial status of Montserrat is peculiar for these kind of things.

Thanks for the explanation! Obviously, if a US MD license is the goal, IMED listing is paramount. If you desire to practice in other WHO listed countries, WHO listing is necessary. If you desire to work in an academic setting then accreditation is important. Hence, the theory of having all three listings = no argument.

[Tipton]

Sorry dude, but there are more than 18, hundreds if not thousands.

Dude. Look at the list referenced. 18 US schools Listed There on that list.

Yes. There are at least 2,000 colleges and universities in the US.

[Tipton]

Well, since accreditation by CAAM was brought up, the list provided by the United Nations database provides a list of 10's of thousands of universities accredited by their country.

Step 1: Under list of Universities of the World select a country
Step 2: Click on country and hit search, try United States for example
Step 3. Take note of "accredited schools"

By the way, I didn't see AUA in there either.




So are you going to answer my question or not?

[Tipton]

This is the list I was referring to: IAU - The Association - Member Institutions - Full List (http://www.iau-aiu.net/members_friends/mem_membinst1.html)

[Mich2go]

There are 2111 (give or take a couple) in the USA...

Copied list to word, counted schools/pg * # pages - 50 states (not sure about DC though)...2111 SCHOOLS!!!

Must be something wrong with your computer...:rolleyes:

...beat me to posting...

Apparently a different list...

[leadsled]

This is the list I was referring to: IAU - The Association - Member Institutions - Full List (http://www.iau-aiu.net/members_friends/mem_membinst1.html)


The link provided previously is:
List of Universities of the World (http://www.iau-aiu.net/onlinedatabases/list.html)

[Tipton]

Who cares?:confused: What in the wild wild world of sports does this have to do with medical education or medical licensure in the US or anywhre else?:noidea: Is there some government agency that uses this list to license doctors?

[leadsled]

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[Tipton]

IMED has a list.

WHO has a list.

Why does anyone need this list?

Am I not asking this clear enough?

[leadsled]

IMED has a list.

WHO has a list.

Why does anyone need this list?

Am I not asking this clear enough?

I thought you didn't care! Is that clear enough?

[Tipton]

Ok. Leadsled. You win. I give up. Have fun with your list.

[leadsled]

read previous posts

[Aviv Imanuel]

Ditto here!

Ok. Leadsled. You win. I give up. Have fun with your list.

[leadsled]

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