UMF Cluj has lost automatic accreditation in FRANCE !!

[chapelier]

French TV report from 13.05.09


now , due to the fact UE rules are not respected and that students don't have to take an entrance exam and pay more , french medical council considers that students from eng or french section have to take a examination about their medical knowledge before working in France ....
in this report , Oradea is showed as a good exemple of universities applying UE rules (final part of the report)

[MDberry]

y a rien qui mentionne d'oradea. y a t-il une deuxieme partie a ce video?

[chapelier]

YouTube - "Recalés en médecine : mon diplôme en Roumanie" title of the magasine "failed in medicine (in france) : my diploma in Romania)
sorry for the low quality translation (did quick)
A romanian Girl in Cluj : ''Here is my room, I live in this quote from student 1 year 1 / 2, since I started university
These are my colleagues rooms are a little tired
She is a physician in-house, she finished college, is a specialist in radiology
Workers these parents have sacrificed for her ''
"My parents earn the equivalent of 300 €, and they send me each me about 130 €, it depends, sometimes I get more, sometimes not, it depends on their needs at home
It is still an advantage compared to foreign students, she does not pay tuition
His main luxury, it is his computer, my computer I have since 2 years and they are my parents, they have a marked
Ioana dream of becoming a cardiologist, and to escape the low wages in Romania, she hopes to have a day in France or England
This morning at the Faculty, Ioana joined his comrades. Even if the program is the same for everyone, French and Romanians do not share the same courses. But the real difference is that, as all students Romanian Ioana passed a very difficult to integrate the prestigious Faculty of Cluj
For us the competition is a very difficult race, very little time to answer many questions, and complicated issues. ''But hey, that's normal, it's college of medicine here, then it is logical that the selection is the most selective ''
While the influx of foreigners who have to pay to go to college gives students the feeling that the French Romanians enjoy preferential treatment
''in the foreign section, there are students who get very high marks, 9 / 10 or 10/10, and are really good. But there are others who are less prepared and yet obtain notes that allow them to move to the next year, and much more easily than students in the Romanian section ''
''I do not know why the foreign students is more light, perhaps because they pay their studies? ''
Would there be 2 measures 2 weight in Cluj? A Romanian section, known for its rigor, and the foreign sections, less demanding? We asked a teacher of the French section, it is a little embarrassed
(journalist): Romanian, to be admitted must pass a medical test, a competition to be accepted in 1st year. But the French are accepted on file, without competition, you find it normal?
(the teacher) what can I say? possible ... it is the business of rectorship, I did not know that I am not interested in (the way they are allowed)
The teacher pretended to discover the absence of selection for foreigners. The difference in level between the Romanians and the other is still a somewhat taboo subject
(the teacher) I also work with Romanian, I have a parallel series, I have the same classes and the same examinations. There are french are very good. At the last review, the responses of some French were better than the responses of Romania. But in general, the level was better for the Romanian
Nevertheless, last year, all French students who had yet missed the competition in France, were awarded 2nd year in Romania: 100% success
Notation very conciliatory one student eventually terminate. We meet at 2 hours away, in the city of Oradea, called Nicolas. After 2 years of studies in Cluj, the French came here to follow his medical studies.
In this more modest option, the teachers treat the same way Romanians and foreigners.
A strict policy implemented by the new dean
Bumbu Pr (Dean of Oradea): ''Foreign students and Romanians have to go through the same steps for admission and examination. They also pay the same taxes, we make no difference between students
This equally between Romanians and foreigners is more suited to Nicolas. Last year this young man was very demanding appalled by what he observed in cluj.
''A biochemistry professor told me that exams were not the same, and indeed the educational requirements are not the same. At the end I saw a little like the French section of private faculty may cluj, since we pay more for access to training, the conditions for admission are not the same. ''
This student has alerted the French authorities. In a letter, he made his comments to the National Council of the Medical Society in Paris. What worries the institution that represents the french doctors is to see off young graduates who are ignoring the real skills
Dr Xavier Deau, French Medical Council: ''If the young Romanians have a review and to return to study, I do not understand that young french have not this type of review whatsoever. We are not here to denounce the ugly duckling, we are there to avoid any discrimination between students and doctors, and especially to ensure the safety of care vis-à-vis the French population
The CNOM alerted Valérie Pecresse, the minister of higher education. They would require an examination to monitor their return to French students in Romania.**
In Cluj, in the face of these criticisms, the rector Constantin Ciuca, remains on him
the journalist: what do you have to tell the council in order to reassure France?
C. Ciuca, rector of Cluj, firstly, we need to check the quality of education of the Faculty of Cluj. We are open to any assessment.
Then these students will be they well trained? it is still too soon to judge, the first French graduates out of here in 2 years
And they (the french), the places will become more expensive. The next autumn, the president increased fees for 2500 to 5000 € per year
For their part, and Mathilde trinquent already maxim to their future medical studies in Romania. But it is not won. What they did not foresee was that the university of Cluj is starting to be a victim of its success.

(**after calling ministry Oradea won't be concerned as they respect the UE laws)
Cluj is making what Oradea made 10 years ago , causing its decay
Now Oradea has changed and cleaned all , Cluj is doing the opposite way...
will soon be a huge scandale when this will spread

[Yalla Cluj]

it's not fair at all,the romanian students are complaining that foreign students don't have to pass exams to be registered,and that they study more during the period of 6 years,but that's only what they think about themselves.
even the teachers and professors in Cluj university say that the foreign students are much better students than the romanian students in studing,and the marks that they get they get them because they really deserve to get them not because they pay the professors and teachers,this is like a tradition in romanians unfortunately,when they see that a foreign got a better mark than them they say that the foreign guy paid the teacher or took him a present,but they don't addmit it that maybe that foreign student really studied well and deserved that mark.
as an example,i will mention this,as a foreign student here in cluj,i know some friends in the romanian section,one day a friend from the second year of the romanian section came to me and said today we had the exam of neuroanatomy and i got an 8/10,i said ok,congradulations,tell me what do you know about the olfactory nerve!! He said:"I never heard this word before,are you making up stuff??"!!!!(The olfactory nerve is the first pair of the cranial nerves,which is responsible for transmitting the action potentials from the olfactory bulb to the brain,basically,the smell sensation is transmitted in this nerve to the brain).
So dear romanian section students! before you go crying about the addmission exam,go and study your subjects because you are the ones which get marks you don't deserve.

[chapelier]

bur reality is that from now only wealthy students will be able to study in foreign section !! (see tirgu mures, oradea , apply as low fees for UE than romanian !!)
For the level , it's quite true that english section is at almost the same than romanian , I agree with you !
But consider this as a particular case , france doesn't admit that some students pay more ans take no entrance exams , sweden allows it ...
French section , which is here the point , is a really low level (regrouping all people failed twice in france and those not accepted in their african countries)
An unfortunatly, the fact that an european univ is losing automatic accreditation in an european country is a sign that if an univ doesn't respect EU laws, bad consequences will be first for students. See here the result , and imagine now the repercution of this news when romanian jurnalist will fall on it .. will be a huge scandale and descent into hell for Cluj...

[king cluj]

romanian are always greedy for money...you think im so happy to pay so much and come in a such a country to learn? English section dont get anything like romanian section gets..all the favors goes only to romanian section...there are so many educational activities that are organised only for the romanian section...the scientific circle and many more are only the romanian who benefit form...plz accept that you are stupid...
can your romanian certificate= a british certificate like an Oxford certificate or Cambridge one??never... why all the romanians hate biophysics and the are the among the best to fail this subject.they are the 1st who comes to sit for toamna to this exam...and the foreign section especially the english..most of them pass?whyyyy???its because of the difference in teaching in higer school lever and the exams conducted...Romanian students think because of money we are passing...but just for your kind infomation,you cann't buy intelligence even if you eat food like us in kfc or McDo,u wont have same intelligence like us better enjoy ur 'varza and sunca du pui'....dnt try to be like us...but the least you can do is to follow our path. even that girl in this article says she will work abroad to get more money....and Prof and other Dr are all well paid here...dnt be greedy for money. thanks to foreing student that you romanian have a new library and decanate and every building is being refurblised...PLZ ROMANIAN STUDENT DONT COMPLAIN...YOUR IQ IS REALLY LOW COMPARED TO US:faint:..I KNW IT HURTS BUT THE TRUTH IS BITTER

[RM83]

Shame on you you romanian student who went to cry to the french authorities about his own university,didn't you think that that will affect the accreditation of your own diploma also in case you went to work outside of romania or even inside it??Didn't you think that after destroying the reputation of your own university on a national and international levels with such false information you won't be accepted in any jobs just because you graduated from UMF-Cluj??If you thought this will help you you are wrong.

[RM83]

and something elso i would like to add,we all know the level of teaching in Oradea university(No affence to students of Oradea university),so if you don't like it in Cluj,what are you still doing here?go there

[chapelier]

and something elso i would like to add,we all know the level of teaching in Oradea university(No affence to students of Oradea university),so if you don't like it in Cluj,what are you still doing here?go there
no you just repeat like other cluj students what you heard without checking ... the truth is now that Oradea came above clujin level and quality of lectures .. so well organised that all lectures are available online now , have a sample here Captainjoe.info - Downloads (http://www.captainjoe.info/index3.html)
I'm not any more in cluj it's a real crap , only students from this univ (french+++) think they are the best .... never seen so much pretention from people who were refused everywhere else in the world , they just keep repeating "cluj is the best"all day long ....
Oradea was perhaps bad at one timebut since strict respect of UE rules ( UE students are admitted only with entrance exam , fees for 6 years will be 5300€ , the same in cluj for 1 year!!) .. so it complies with all UE regulations and level of lectures is now even beyond Cluj (I have compared both, my personal notes can attest)
Personally I don't care telling truth , It'a fact that some poeple in french section will be dangerous doctors ...
and I don't care for recognition , better coping with a exam when back in france than knwoing that some people could go and practice there

[RM83]

no you just repeat like other cluj students what you heard without checking ... the truth is now that Oradea came above clujin level and quality of lectures .. so well organised that all lectures are available online now , have a sample here
I'm not any more in cluj it's a real crap , only students from this univ (french+++) think they are the best .... never seen so much pretention from people who were refused everywhere else in the world , they just keep repeating "cluj is the best"all day long ....
Oradea was perhaps bad at one timebut since strict respect of UE rules ( UE students are admitted only with entrance exam , fees for 6 years will be 5300€ , the same in cluj for 1 year!!) .. so it complies with all UE regulations and level of lectures is now even beyond Cluj (I have compared both, my personal notes can attest)
Personally I don't care telling truth , It'a fact that some poeple in french section will be dangerous doctors ...
and I don't care for recognition , better coping with a exam when back in france than knwoing that some people could go and practice there
well if that's why you think Oradea is better than Cluj in that they have the lectures online,then you have nothing,because cluj also has that online,you can check yahoo groups for that,the reason why the lectures are not on the university website is that the professors always update all the lectures and presentations.and who wants to study will study from text books,not from the slide presentations because they will have only the titles.plus if you are talking about the French section and it's all about that french section then don't throw the words for all foreign students,we in the english section can beat the romanian section in any medical competition,we are only not getting the chance because the romanians are greedy as (King Cluj) mentioned before.it's just too hard for you to see foreign students doing better than you in your own country,while you start crying and running away to Oradea.What makes Cluj the best is the competition,you weren't able to stand up for the requirements of this competition,so you ran away to Oradea,maybe after a year you won't be able to do it even in Oradea and you will run away to Iasi,then you will complain about Oradea just like now about Cluj.the fact that you suck doesn't make the university guilty about you.

[chapelier]

Oradea is perfect , don't talk about what you don't know (old rumors and so ...) I was in cluj and I was in Oradea , I can tell you. And I didn't aim english section in cluj , I repeat that I know level is completly OK. The report , everything is around french section. go and visit them to check by yourself
And yes I run from Oradea next year , but happy : I am admitted in a french medical school .... but I keep and will keep encouraging this good small univ in the right way. No reason for stopping doing it
But let's come back to the main "news" : UMF CLUJ has lost automatic accreditation in France. This is a first time in Europe
Keep crying and boasting , I thing you're in the right way
(and one last time , I adress french section , not you , serious people from english section)