In case of war

[amawannabe]

What provisions do the American programs make if the school must be shut down due to a war? Assuming an evacuation would take place, and students could leave, ie, would BGU students be able to attend Columbia? If the program were to be shut down, would they be forced to reapply as transfer students to schools in the US? Until now, wars have been brief and classes have been cancelled for 2 - 3 weeks maximum, but I'm talking about longer duration and more localized direct conflict/attacks (G-d forbid).

[Aviv Imanuel]

It will be a good idea to address that question to the schools involved. It is a very good question, don't get me wrong, but your best bet, would be to ask them directly:cool:.


What provisions do the American programs make if the school must be shut down due to a war? Assuming an evacuation would take place, and students could leave, ie, would BGU students be able to attend Columbia? If the program were to be shut down, would they be forced to reapply as transfer students to schools in the US? Until now, wars have been brief and classes have been cancelled for 2 - 3 weeks maximum, but I'm talking about longer duration and more localized direct conflict/attacks (G-d forbid).

[Guinea]

What provisions do the American programs make if the school must be shut down due to a war? Assuming an evacuation would take place, and students could leave, ie, would BGU students be able to attend Columbia? If the program were to be shut down, would they be forced to reapply as transfer students to schools in the US? Until now, wars have been brief and classes have been cancelled for 2 - 3 weeks maximum, but I'm talking about longer duration and more localized direct conflict/attacks (G-d forbid).
I would imagine you would transfer. I bet some of the more Jewish schools in the US (Einstein, etc) would take you in given the circumstances if you're a decent student.

[JesusLovesYou]

On the bright side, if you stay you would get much more first-hand experience practicing medicine, especially emergency medicine.

[excmnd&bdy]

In case of a war, most universities continue running albeit that many of the students are reservists in the army and therefore are fighting in the said war.

Further, I don't think "Jewish Schools in the US" have anything to do with Sackler or BGU and do not and would not have any interest in accommodating those students.

This is a fact of life in Israel. University studies have been interrupted in the last few years with 2 general student strikes, 1 professor strike, and yes 1 war. During the war, the universities continued to operate.

And lastly, the reference to Emergency Medicine: Yes, the prevalence of emergency situations is vast. This is attributed to many reasons. If you happen to read international newspapers you would understand that for a period of time there were suicide bombings daily causing mass casualties.

For some time now, this has not been the case. And nobody, especially the emergency medical personnel should "hope" for emergency situations.

If the possibility of any of the above occuring or the possibility of your studies being disrupted you should consider seriously your desire to come to Israel.

[excmnd&bdy]

On the bright side, if you stay you would get much more first-hand experience practicing medicine, especially emergency medicine.

Your comments referencing a "bright side" to more emergencies in Israel is immature and misguided.

[JesusLovesYou]

No, it is not misguided, nor was it immature. I was kidding about that. Unfortunately you seem to be a rigid and prudish person humor is wasted on. Obviously nobody wants to see more emergencies and suffering. As for the "bright side", in every situation, there is always a bright side. All events that seem bad in the immediate may also have good come out of it in the future. For one to see only the negative makes one a pessimist, and research shows that pessimists live short and poor-health-ridden lives. No emergency medicine personnel wants to see boatloads of emergency cases each day. On the bright side, if they are caught in such a situation, their emergency medical skills are honed even more thus making them even better practitioners of emergency medicine which is a great thing for future patients who need a good emergency medicine doctor.

I love parasitology and infectious diseases. Obviously I plan to get residency in IM and then fellowship in infectious diseases and then get certification in tropical medicine and so on. I don't enjoy seeing people suffering from an infectious disease or parasite infection/infestation, but I do want to see as many cases as possible so that my skills in this area rises to that of an expert. The better my skill, the more I can help patients recover and avoid reinfection. The same can be applied to every area of medicine, and any other profession for that matter. I don't look forward to wars because they also allow disease to flourish, but I can take the possibility into account when I am in a war-prone region and look on the bright side of something I cannot control.

As for amawannabe's question, I agree that the "Jewish" medical schools in the US will probably not consider accommodating you. The Israeli medical school should provide alternative options in such cases of war. You need to do some fact digging in your school to see what their contingency plans are if they have any. If your school does not have any Plan B or C or D, then you may want to consider going elsewhere. It'll be terrible to go for three years and have it all end before you can get your diploma.

Your comments referencing a "bright side" to more emergencies in Israel is immature and misguided.

[excmnd&bdy]

No, it is not misguided, nor was it immature. I was kidding about that. Unfortunately you seem to be a rigid and prudish person humor is wasted on. Obviously nobody wants to see more emergencies and suffering. As for the "bright side", in every situation, there is always a bright side. All events that seem bad in the immediate may also have good come out of it in the future. For one to see only the negative makes one a pessimist, and research shows that pessimists live short and poor-health-ridden lives. No emergency medicine personnel wants to see boatloads of emergency cases each day. On the bright side, if they are caught in such a situation, their emergency medical skills are honed even more thus making them even better practitioners of emergency medicine which is a great thing for future patients who need a good emergency medicine doctor.

I love parasitology and infectious diseases. Obviously I plan to get residency in IM and then fellowship in infectious diseases and then get certification in tropical medicine and so on. I don't enjoy seeing people suffering from an infectious disease or parasite infection/infestation, but I do want to see as many cases as possible so that my skills in this area rises to that of an expert. The better my skill, the more I can help patients recover and avoid reinfection. The same can be applied to every area of medicine, and any other profession for that matter. I don't look forward to wars because they also allow disease to flourish, but I can take the possibility into account when I am in a war-prone region and look on the bright side of something I cannot control.

As for amawannabe's question, I agree that the "Jewish" medical schools in the US will probably not consider accommodating you. The Israeli medical school should provide alternative options in such cases of war. You need to do some fact digging in your school to see what their contingency plans are if they have any. If your school does not have any Plan B or C or D, then you may want to consider going elsewhere. It'll be terrible to go for three years and have it all end before you can get your diploma.

Have it all end? As I stated before, universities in Israel find a way of making things work, even during difficult situations. Semesters have been extended through "summer" and so if these type of concerns which are uncontrollable seem to occupy an applicant's thoughts, they should not apply to Israeli schools. Israel is a small country with around 7 million people. There are more people in New York City.

The "number" of emergency cases also does not compare. Yesterday there were 280 response calls for accidents, 22 women in labor, and just under 1000 calls regarding patients in general. Divide that by the more or less 8-10 large hospitals in Israel serving as emergency centers.

Yes if you decide to come to Israel and there happens to be a war you can decide to do everything you can to assist medical personnel and learn from any situation you are presented with. There is a clear difference between that and instead saying, oh there will surely be a war in Israel, that will be good exposure, I think I'll go there. If you wanted real exposure to trauma and emergency why not join the U.S Army.

Rather than insult me or label me as if you know me, it would be more beneficial for everyone to discuss what we are actually discussing. There are always hidden positives and obvious ones for that matter. Life is a trade-off. You can list all the wars of independence where masses have died.

That said, everyone in Israel hopes and prays daily for there to be peace and not war. There is no bright side, there is just doing everything you can to save lives.

[JesusLovesYou]

Hey there excmnd&bdy, sorry about the insult. Didn't really mean it. Been a busy and hectic day. I do agree that if the OP is concerned about war in Israel and that affecting his medical career, then the OP should not consider those schools. I disagree with you though about not having a bright side in any situation. Also I think you did not understand what I was talking about regarding situations that enhance one's skills. Nowhere did I mean that someone should look forward to war and base his/her career decisions on going to areas that will most likely break out in war. Nobody likes war (except for the psychos). What I meant was that if war does break out, instead of freaking out or beating oneself up for being in such a situation, one should instead look at the good that can be done and the good that can come out of such bad situations.

Have it all end? As I stated before, universities in Israel find a way of making things work, even during difficult situations. Semesters have been extended through "summer" and so if these type of concerns which are uncontrollable seem to occupy an applicant's thoughts, they should not apply to Israeli schools. Israel is a small country with around 7 million people. There are more people in New York City.

The "number" of emergency cases also does not compare. Yesterday there were 280 response calls for accidents, 22 women in labor, and just under 1000 calls regarding patients in general. Divide that by the more or less 8-10 large hospitals in Israel serving as emergency centers.

Yes if you decide to come to Israel and there happens to be a war you can decide to do everything you can to assist medical personnel and learn from any situation you are presented with. There is a clear difference between that and instead saying, oh there will surely be a war in Israel, that will be good exposure, I think I'll go there. If you wanted real exposure to trauma and emergency why not join the U.S Army.

Rather than insult me or label me as if you know me, it would be more beneficial for everyone to discuss what we are actually discussing. There are always hidden positives and obvious ones for that matter. Life is a trade-off. You can list all the wars of independence where masses have died.

That said, everyone in Israel hopes and prays daily for there to be peace and not war. There is no bright side, there is just doing everything you can to save lives.

[excmnd&bdy]

Hey there excmnd&bdy, sorry about the insult. Didn't really mean it. Been a busy and hectic day. I do agree that if the OP is concerned about war in Israel and that affecting his medical career, then the OP should not consider those schools. I disagree with you though about not having a bright side in any situation. Also I think you did not understand what I was talking about regarding situations that enhance one's skills. Nowhere did I mean that someone should look forward to war and base his/her career decisions on going to areas that will most likely break out in war. Nobody likes war (except for the psychos). What I meant was that if war does break out, instead of freaking out or beating oneself up for being in such a situation, one should instead look at the good that can be done and the good that can come out of such bad situations.

Ok JesusLovesYOU, Finally we are on the same page. I also try to look for the bright side in anything I am presented with. I was just taking the defensive route because I have lived in Israel and worked as an EMT here.
When I was staffing a station here, I "hoped" things would happen under "my watch". If things are going to happen why not be there and have the opportunity to learn and do something right.

On Another note, you are going to UAG right. I plan on attending in January. It is good that you stick with this mindframe considering all the obstacles there will be in Guad and everything that comes along with being an IMG. So good luck, maybe I'll see you there...

[JesusLovesYou]

This path we chose is going to be fraught with danger and despair, but we have the right mindset that will help us get through it all and come out stronger. Have you applied yet for the Spring term? You've got an advantage with the smaller class size and extra time to prepare for residency competition. =)

Btw, how is Israel? I've never been there but always wondered how it really is. How are the people there? Did you ever feel like your life was constantly threatened with rocket attacks and suicide bombers?


QUOTE=excmnd&bdy;1120594]Ok JesusLovesYOU, Finally we are on the same page. I also try to look for the bright side in anything I am presented with. I was just taking the defensive route because I have lived in Israel and worked as an EMT here.
When I was staffing a station here, I "hoped" things would happen under "my watch". If things are going to happen why not be there and have the opportunity to learn and do something right.

On Another note, you are going to UAG right. I plan on attending in January. It is good that you stick with this mindframe considering all the obstacles there will be in Guad and everything that comes along with being an IMG. So good luck, maybe I'll see you there...[/QUOTE]

[excmnd&bdy]

[QUOTE=JesusLovesYou;1120647]This path we chose is going to be fraught with danger and despair, but we have the right mindset that will help us get through it all and come out stronger. Have you applied yet for the Spring term? You've got an advantage with the smaller class size and extra time to prepare for residency competition. =)

Btw, how is Israel? I've never been there but always wondered how it really is. How are the people there? Did you ever feel like your life was constantly threatened with rocket attacks and suicide bombers?

Danger and Despair; really? I have a friend who is entering residency from UAG and he had very few negative thoughts about his time there. I think people can adapt to the environment they are in and make the best of it if they willingly want to, as well as having the right attitude to begin with.

I have applied for the Spring. I was considering since last December entering the Fall class but my current situation would have caused me to rush to Guad last minute, etc. Also, this former UAG buddy told me that starting in January ended up great for him in terms of timing for residency, with interviews and study time. He is about to take Step 3 before starting residency as well.

I have lived in Israel for 2 years total, not continously. Once in 2005 and this past year. No, I have never felt threatened. As a tourist, you would probably notice things that for people living here it has no become second nature. There has been a war each time I was here and unless you are in the hotspots you don't even realize it. Of course, people living near the borders have a much harder time. Following the Israeli media can give you better insight on what is happening, there are various english language newspapers- rather than watching Shep on FOx News Primetime with his helmet and army gear on the front lines. Israel is also a very popular tourist destinations with the number of tourists visiting growing every year. It is definitely worth anyone's time to come here at least once in your life.

Good luck in the fall, we'll see how many people show up for Springtime...

[JesusLovesYou]

The despair comes in the form of patients who cannot be cured or treated effectively or who die in your arms. It comes when the empathy kicks in. The danger...comes in the form of contaminated street food =P

I guess I will put Israel on my "places to visit before I die" list =)

[QUOTE=JesusLovesYou;1120647]This path we chose is going to be fraught with danger and despair, but we have the right mindset that will help us get through it all and come out stronger. Have you applied yet for the Spring term? You've got an advantage with the smaller class size and extra time to prepare for residency competition. =)

Btw, how is Israel? I've never been there but always wondered how it really is. How are the people there? Did you ever feel like your life was constantly threatened with rocket attacks and suicide bombers?

Danger and Despair; really? I have a friend who is entering residency from UAG and he had very few negative thoughts about his time there. I think people can adapt to the environment they are in and make the best of it if they willingly want to, as well as having the right attitude to begin with.

I have applied for the Spring. I was considering since last December entering the Fall class but my current situation would have caused me to rush to Guad last minute, etc. Also, this former UAG buddy told me that starting in January ended up great for him in terms of timing for residency, with interviews and study time. He is about to take Step 3 before starting residency as well.

I have lived in Israel for 2 years total, not continously. Once in 2005 and this past year. No, I have never felt threatened. As a tourist, you would probably notice things that for people living here it has no become second nature. There has been a war each time I was here and unless you are in the hotspots you don't even realize it. Of course, people living near the borders have a much harder time. Following the Israeli media can give you better insight on what is happening, there are various english language newspapers- rather than watching Shep on FOx News Primetime with his helmet and army gear on the front lines. Israel is also a very popular tourist destinations with the number of tourists visiting growing every year. It is definitely worth anyone's time to come here at least once in your life.

Good luck in the fall, we'll see how many people show up for Springtime...

[excmnd&bdy]

[QUOTE=JesusLovesYou;1120872]The despair comes in the form of patients who cannot be cured or treated effectively or who die in your arms. It comes when the empathy kicks in. The danger...comes in the form of contaminated street food =P

I guess I will put Israel on my "places to visit before I die" list =)


So we will surely run into situations like the first you mentioned, anytime you are involved with healthcare there are times when nothing can be done, despite your deepest desire to do "something". The danger-well, I guess that depends on luck. I survived 3 months in India eating all the street food I could find, and in China, one of the dirtiest places I've ever seen.