medical university in europe

[IramU]

Hi Everyone,


I have applied at OSMU and LSMU in Ukraine. I want to an MD degree but i cant decide which university to go to. I have heard that OSMU does not have good hostels which lack water and hav sanitary problems and have no good heating systems which is a problem and I do not have any information about LSMU. If you can help please answer the questions!

IF its possible, please current students studying at these univiserities can answer this questions?

1. Is there any cheap, i mean anyone who take less fees but good universities in europe which offer the course Md degree? what are the fees?

2. is the degree recongized by WHO AND MCI?

3. Do they have seperate girls hostels?

4. how is the accomodation like? how far from university? how is teh atmosphere and area? is it safe for girls?

5. how are the facilities like?

6. what grades or percentage do i need to qualify for the course? i have completed my Gcse's from england...do they accept this? and i have done science which includes chem,bio and physics altogether so therfore i have only one grade.

7. Does the degree include residency and intership?

8. do they teach in english?

9. can u recommend any other university in europe that provides md course in english? except for any university in poland or romania or russia?

thanks for all you help! i really appreciate it!

[shrey]

I can't answer much for LSMU. I was also considering Ukraine as an option but my parents said no coz of the very high crime rate in that country.

Regarding other universities (other than Poland, Romania and Russia), there are many:

Czech Republic:
1)Charles University 5 different faculties of Medicine, Czech Republilc (3 of them in Prague, 1 in Plzen, and 1 in Hradec Kralove)
2) Palacky Medical University, Olomouc, Czech Republic
3) Masaryk Medical University, Brno, Czech Republic

Slovakia:
Comenius Medical University, Bratislava, Slovakia
Jessenius Medical University, Slovakia

Croatia:
Zagreb medical Universit, Zagreb, Croatia

Hungary:
Debrecen Medical University, Hungary
PECS Medical University, Hungary
Semmelweis Medical University, Hungary

Bulgaria:
Medical University of Varna, Varna, Bulgaria
Sofial Medical University, Sofia, Bulgaria
Pleven Medical University, Bulgaria

Even Matla offers an English program which is just ridiculously expensive and it has excellent credentials and ties with other universities (the tuition fee alone is somewhere around $35,000 - 40,000 USD)

There are also a couple in the South-east Europe (Serbia, Yugoslavia and so on) but I doubt how good they are.

Out of the list I mentioned, the first 4-5 categories of schools (In Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia and Hungary along with Poland) are on the expensive tier and also living expenditure is a bit expensive. Bulgaria is much more cheaper but as it's joined the EU, I assume things will become more expensive there.

The tuition fee for the first 4-5 categories are in the range of 8,000 - 11,500 EUR and above (in case of a few schools in Poland). This is only the tuition fee...living expenses range from 500 - 800+ euros depending on personal preference (whether you're living in an apartment or eating out most of the days etc.)

I would definitely say that Romania and Bulgaria are much better options than Ukraine simply because they're already part of the EU and so you're degree will be recognized in any EU country (although getting employment is a different issue for international graduates). Secondly, since they become part of the EU, they definitely have better statistics when it comes to stuff like quality of life, crime rate, quality of education etc. (they still have a long way to go though). Whereas Ukraine is nowhere close to being part of the EU.

If you're looking for cheap universities, I would recommend for you to look into Bulgaria or Romania (the rest are relatively a lot more expensive - Poland, Hungary, CR, Croatia, Slovakia etc.)

[IramU]

hi thanks for the reply......do you know any medical universities in phillipines?

[devildoc8404]

Just a couple of points on study in Europe... Yugoslavia doesn't exist any more. It's now Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzogovina. Medical education in Serbia is likely as good as elsewhere in countries of the former Yugoslavia, but I wouldn't be in a hurry to study there right now with the political situation. Croatia and Slovenia would be great though, in my opinion, although they are not yet members of the EU.

Also, Romania and Bulgaria are about as SE Europe as you can get, except for Greece and Turkey.

Finally, it seems that the only way that your degree from Romania or Bulgaria will be recognized by the EU is if you graduate from the native language program. In these cases, it is my understanding that the English language programs are NOT approved for EU licensing, and (in Bulgaria, at least) you cannot practice in Bulgaria with the English degree. It's valid and recognized elsewhere in the world, but likely not in the EU or Bulgaria itself. Language of study can be a big deal in Europe, remember to pay attention to it!

[diogenes]

...............Finally, it seems that the only way that your degree from Romania or Bulgaria will be recognized by the EU is if you graduate from the native language program. In these cases, it is my understanding that the English language programs are NOT approved for EU licensing, and (in Bulgaria, at least) you cannot practice in Bulgaria with the English degree. It's valid and recognized elsewhere in the world, but likely not in the EU or Bulgaria itself. Language of study can be a big deal in Europe, remember to pay attention to it!
I don't know anything at all about the attitude of other licensing authorities in the EU, but here in the U.K. the GMC has, so far, not made any distinction between native and English courses - they are equally licensable. However, it's always best to check directly with the relevant body - rules for registration here have tightened significantly and change is continuous.

[Riza]

Finally, it seems that the only way that your degree from Romania or Bulgaria will be recognized by the EU is if you graduate from the native language program. In these cases, it is my understanding that the English language programs are NOT approved for EU licensing, and (in Bulgaria, at least) you cannot practice in Bulgaria with the English degree. It's valid and recognized elsewhere in the world, but likely not in the EU or Bulgaria itself. Language of study can be a big deal in Europe, remember to pay attention to it!

Is this confirmed, though? I mean I'm studying at the university as well and have spoken with the administration regarding this issue and have been told that the diploma is recognized within EU just like the Bulgarian version of the program. I've also been told that you can practice in Bulgaria with the English degree as well. It's a matter of whether you have a good understanding of the language, or so I've been told by the university's officials.

[arista29]

Ok. I know in Greece you cannot practice without having graduated in the Bulgarian program. This also certainly applies to California Certification which rules out a number of States.

For each country in the EU, however, I would make sure you look very carefully at respective requirements as was previously suggested. Best to sort that out now and not wait until a year before graduation.

On the bright side, we are not alone in having an unlicensed English program in regards to CA certification. Most English programs don't have it yet. I cannot imagine that we will obtain it very quickly because the large majority of foreign students here enroll directly in the Bulgarian program and bite the bullet with the language so to speak.

As far as Bulgaria is concerned, should you be so inclined to practice here, I suspect you will be required to write licensing exams in Bulgarian. :)

[shadhin]

Just a couple of points on study in Europe... Yugoslavia doesn't exist any more. It's now Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzogovina. Medical education in Serbia is likely as good as elsewhere in countries of the former Yugoslavia, but I wouldn't be in a hurry to study there right now with the political situation. Croatia and Slovenia would be great though, in my opinion, although they are not yet members of the EU.

Also, Romania and Bulgaria are about as SE Europe as you can get, except for Greece and Turkey.

Finally, it seems that the only way that your degree from Romania or Bulgaria will be recognized by the EU is if you graduate from the native language program. In these cases, it is my understanding that the English language programs are NOT approved for EU licensing, and (in Bulgaria, at least) you cannot practice in Bulgaria with the English degree. It's valid and recognized elsewhere in the world, but likely not in the EU or Bulgaria itself. Language of study can be a big deal in Europe, remember to pay attention to it!

Sorry dude, I have to disagree with u. As far as I know, when u get ur degree from bulgaria, in ur diploma it says that u have completed ur studies in bulgarian, regardless of ur medium of study. Moreover, I have friends here in bulgaria, practicing as doctors, completed their studies in english.
SHADHIN

[Riza]

After looking into whether the language of the program has a bearing on whether the diploma is recognized or not, it seems to make no difference.

I've emailed the GMC in UK (the registrar for medical doctors, so to say) and have asked if the diploma is fully accredited and if the language of study makes a difference. I've been told that the diploma is fully accredited and the language does not have any influence on the qualification process. This is for the UK only, however, it should be the same for the rest of Europe.

What I've found that is also interesting is the so-called "transitional period" of Bulgaria into the EU. This is a 7-year period in which everything "transitions" so it matches to what the EU requires of each of it's members.

This means that the period ends in 2014 and up until then, European countries can impose any sort of restrictions for Bulgarian citizens who wish to work abroad. Currently, there are 14 nations including the UK who allow Bulgarians to work within their country however there are requirements to be met.

The good news is, after the 7 year transitional period (in 2014), every country within the EU will fully recognize and accredit every diploma from Bulgaria without any restrictions, unlike right now, there are some restrictions.

Bottom line, the diploma from every medical school in Bulgaria, according to the WHO(World Health Organization) directory is accredited regardless of the language you are studying in.

So once I graduate, I'm packing my bags and heading to the UK. :D

[arista29]

See, this is why I like this website because it's nice not to have to figure out these questions on my own. Americans worry about the language issue primarily because of the California certification requirements and it's a significant problem for the students who have specific states in which they want to apply for residency. The UK is open AND it's easier now if we enter as EU citizens.

Another mention for the students who want to work in the EU: There are exchange agreements with the Eurasmus program which I know is good for at least 6 months of study outside or more in (France, Germany and others). This is a good option to get outside references, make contacts, and generally improve one's clinical skills & experience.

[Back_To_School]

Currently, there are 14 nations including the UK who allow Bulgarians to work within their country however there are requirements to be met.

The good news is, after the 7 year transitional period (in 2014), every country within the EU will fully recognize and accredit every diploma from Bulgaria without any restrictions, unlike right now, there are some restrictions.

Bottom line, the diploma from every medical school in Bulgaria, according to the WHO(World Health Organization) directory is accredited regardless of the language you are studying in.

So once I graduate, I'm packing my bags and heading to the UK. :D

At present Bulgarians and Romanians are quite severely restricted when it comes to working in the UK but, like you say that will change after the transitional period. When it comes to medicine I think countries will always have the right to deny practise rights despite what the EU constitution says. The countries concerned will probably get fined but, will continue anyway. The problems regarding the UK are not about degree recognition but, gaining a place in their training programmes which will always favour UK citizens whether they trained at home or abroad. Specialists will never have a problem getting a job as the UK is desperate for them.

I'm sure it is just the language thing but, it concerns me a bit if the country I'm studying medicine in won't let me practise in that country after I've qualified even if I was able to pass language exams. Seems strange no?

[Riza]

^ That does seem strange. Have you been told why you cannot practice in that country or is there something that I have misunderstood? Maybe try looking into the issue and contact the institutions responsible for the licensing and registration and see what they say?

About the point that you made in favouring individuals due to their status within the country, that is definitely true. However it is the same everywhere, is it not? I mean surely a country that is looking to fill a spot would look to its fellow citizens worldwide before considering a foreigner (as in an individual who does not hold a passport for that nation). Otherwise, I could see major protests would be happening. ;)