Looks like serious students are doing well (is this school I

[october]

http://www.dentalimplantsurgeon.com/med_prof/med_prof.html see this URL as credentials were too long and were snipped


ALEX MICHAEL GREENBERG, D.D.S.


EDUCATION: BACHELOR OF SCIENCE IN BIOLOGY, 1979
LAFAYETTE COLLEGE, EASTON, PA
DOCTOR OF DENTAL SURGERY, 1983
SCHOOL OF DENTAL AND ORAL SURGERY
COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, NEW YORK, NY

MEDICAL STUDENT, 7/99-PRESENT
UNIVERSITY OF HEALTH SCIENCES ANTIGUA
SCHOOL OF MEDICINE, ANTIGUA, BWI
FLEXIBLE MD PROGRAM WITH ADVANCED STANDING
FOR ORAL AND MAXILLOFACIAL SURGEONS

PRESENTLY 4TH YEAR STUDENT
COMPLETED TOWARDS MD DEGREE REQUIREMENTS:
THIRD YEAR DIDACTICS 7/00-8/01:
INTERNAL MEDICINE-PASS
SURGERY-PASS
OB/GYN-PASS
PEDIATRICS-PASS
FAMILY MEDICINE-PASS
PSYCHIATRY-PASS

GROSS ANATOMY: UPPER AND LOWER
EXTREMITIES 11/99-3/00 GRADE: “A”
COLUMBIA COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS
AND SURGEONS, NEW YORK, NY

Clinical Clerkships Completed:

SURGERY 3/19-5/15/00
SHELF NBME EXAM - “PASS” “72”
MT. SINAI SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
NEW YORK, NY


PEDIATRICS 5/27-6/18/00
“SATISFACTORY” EVALUATION
ASSAF HAROFEH MEDICAL CENTER
SACKLER SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
TEL AVIV, ISRAEL

PLASTIC SURGERY 7/5-7/28/00
“SATISFACTORY” EVALUATION
MT. SINAI SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
NEW YORK, NY

OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY 10/22-12/15/00
SHELF NBME EXAM - “Pass” “81”
NEW JERSEY MEDICAL SCHOOL
NEWARK, NJ

OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY 1/1/01-1/10/01
“PASS”
UNIVERSITY OF HEALTH SCIENCES ANTIGUA
SCHOOL OF MEDICINE, ANTIGUA, BWI

PEDIATRICS 4/6-4/23/01
“SATISFACTORY” EVALUATION
KAPLAN MEDICAL CENTER
AFFILIATED WITH HEBREW UNIVERSITY
HADASSAH FACULTY OF MEDICINE
REHOVOT, ISRAEL

INTERNAL MEDICINE 8/13-9/7/01
“PASS”
DEPARTMENT OF MEDICINE
HOSPITAL OF ST. RAFAEL
AFFILIATED WITH YALE UNIVERSITY
NEW HAVEN, CT

[azskeptic]

http://www.dentalimplantsurgeon.com/med_prof/med_prof.html see this URL as credentials were too long and were snipped


ALEX MICHAEL GREENBERG, D.D.S.


EDUCATION: BACHELOR OF SCIENCE IN BIOLOGY, 1979
LAFAYETTE COLLEGE, EASTON, PA
DOCTOR OF DENTAL SURGERY, 1983
SCHOOL OF DENTAL AND ORAL SURGERY
COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, NEW YORK, NY

MEDICAL STUDENT, 7/99-PRESENT
UNIVERSITY OF HEALTH SCIENCES ANTIGUA
SCHOOL OF MEDICINE, ANTIGUA, BWI
FLEXIBLE MD PROGRAM WITH ADVANCED STANDING
FOR ORAL AND MAXILLOFACIAL SURGEONS

PRESENTLY 4TH YEAR STUDENT
COMPLETED TOWARDS MD DEGREE REQUIREMENTS:
THIRD YEAR DIDACTICS 7/00-8/01:
INTERNAL MEDICINE-PASS
SURGERY-PASS
OB/GYN-PASS
PEDIATRICS-PASS
FAMILY MEDICINE-PASS
PSYCHIATRY-PASS

GROSS ANATOMY: UPPER AND LOWER
EXTREMITIES 11/99-3/00 GRADE: “A”
COLUMBIA COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS
AND SURGEONS, NEW YORK, NY

Clinical Clerkships Completed:

SURGERY 3/19-5/15/00
SHELF NBME EXAM - “PASS” “72”
MT. SINAI SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
NEW YORK, NY


PEDIATRICS 5/27-6/18/00
“SATISFACTORY” EVALUATION
ASSAF HAROFEH MEDICAL CENTER
SACKLER SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
TEL AVIV, ISRAEL

PLASTIC SURGERY 7/5-7/28/00
“SATISFACTORY” EVALUATION
MT. SINAI SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
NEW YORK, NY

OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY 10/22-12/15/00
SHELF NBME EXAM - “Pass” “81”
NEW JERSEY MEDICAL SCHOOL
NEWARK, NJ

OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY 1/1/01-1/10/01
“PASS”
UNIVERSITY OF HEALTH SCIENCES ANTIGUA
SCHOOL OF MEDICINE, ANTIGUA, BWI

PEDIATRICS 4/6-4/23/01
“SATISFACTORY” EVALUATION
<a target=new href="http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=c97WUMRO5hY&offerid=47491.10000058&type=3&subid=0" >Kaplan</a>http://ad.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/show?id=c97WUMRO5hY&bids=47491.10000058&type=3&subid=0 MEDICAL CENTER
AFFILIATED WITH HEBREW UNIVERSITY
HADASSAH FACULTY OF MEDICINE
REHOVOT, ISRAEL

INTERNAL MEDICINE 8/13-9/7/01
“PASS”
DEPARTMENT OF MEDICINE
HOSPITAL OF ST. RAFAEL
AFFILIATED WITH YALE UNIVERSITY
NEW HAVEN, CT

He is a dentist and isn't eligible to license as an MD. His school is UHSA-Antigua, a correspondence internet medical school.

[exiuhs]

and that is all i have to say i lost money there and i left becasue i saw what it was.

[SantoB72]

and that is all i have to say i lost money there and i left becasue i saw what it was.
I am a current student at UHSA 3 year MD program. I have spoke with graduates from this program who are currently fully licensed in the US andworking. I spoke with one graduate a Dr. C in FL who stated that several graduates from his class who graduated are licensed and in practice. I also found out from NYS that the school is scheduled for a walkthrough in the early part of 2006, Februrary I think for permission to allow UHSA students to perform greater than 12 weeks rotation in NY and to be granted permission to obtain residency positions in NY. this is a very good and positive move.
I agree with you in certain respects, the school is not for the average student. The students that best fit into this program are the professionals (PA's like myself, NP's, PT's) who have had expierience in medicine. But for the new college grad it is a potential disaster. So people must make a conscious decision. I do think the school has a low overall pass rate for USMLE but again that is b/c it accepts students that are not ready for or are still immature for a program of medicine. However, I believe the ones who do pass and go on to become licensed are professionals already.

[SantoB72]

Below you can view an acceptance letter of a graduated from UHSA into an Anesthesia residency program in Georgia. There are others like it but could not add all.



Acceptance into Anesthesiology Residency Program (Letter from Program Director)
Return to previous page (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:browseback%28%29)
removed for use of personal names by teratos

[Genossa maximillian]

Az, what part of doing clinicals in a hospital is correspondence and internet? You must be confusing the basic sciences portion with the clinical sciences portion, or you are intentionally misleading the subject. Can you explain me how you can do clinicals from the internet? Please, I am very curious.

[Genossa maximillian]

Dear Santo,

I believe that the reason you state that..."the school has a low overall pass rate for USMLE but again that is b/c it accepts students that are not ready for or are still immature for a program of medicine." is incorrect. I believe the problem is that the BASIC SCIENCE PORTION IS POOR.

If you are going to deliver the basic sciences portion online, you must be able to deliver a quality product that enables its students to effectively compete when it is USMLE time. The same is true when you deliver the course at the physical campus.

I do not have an issue with online or distance BASIC SCIENCES portion (except anatomy, intro to physical exam) as long as it is a quality program.

That said, I think IUHS as well as UHSA have a quality problem in this area.

[azskeptic]

Az, what part of doing clinicals in a hospital is correspondence and internet? You must be confusing the basic sciences portion with the clinical sciences portion, or you are intentionally misleading the subject. Can you explain me how you can do clinicals from the internet? Please, I am very curious. Problems with these schools on clinicals is because of lack of staffing and having students arrange their own 'mentors'.

[Genossa maximillian]

AZ, just answer the question, you are the one who claims that these schools are internet correspondence, giving the impression that the entire course work is done online(which is not true). I repeat my question so you can answer it, Can you explain me how you can do clinicals from the internet? Don't dance around the quesion.

[azskeptic]

AZ, just answer the question, you are the one who claims that these schools are internet correspondence, giving the impression that the entire course work is done online(which is not true). I repeat my question so you can answer it, Can you explain me how you can do clinicals from the internet? Don't dance around the quesion. Internet correspondence refers to students not being at the schools like normal medical schools. When I read that people are urged to setup their own clinicals with 'mentors' and Big Brother/Big Sisters I am equally concerned about this. I have never said clinicals are done by the internet.

[Genossa maximillian]

That sounds much better, thanks AZ.

[prof]

I usually like AZSkeptics points, but don't understand why just because he is a dental surgeon he can't get licensed if he get's his MD, by a state or country that accepts the graduating school and rotations. I'd rather go to him for medical problems them many of my psychiatrist friends that graduated from top US schools. I bet he would make a great otolaryngologist. I think Nova Southeastern has a rapid program for podiatrists to get a DO degree, that is probably shorter than what this Dentist is doing. His rotations look alot better than some of the East European MDs that apply to work in the US. On an individual basis I do not see the problem with mature medically trained individuals. But, I do understand the point as related to young college graduates with no experience in the medical settings. They must rely on the school to provide the best education possible.

[SantoB72]

Dear Santo,

I believe that the reason you state that..."the school has a low overall pass rate for USMLE but again that is b/c it accepts students that are not ready for or are still immature for a program of medicine." is incorrect. I believe the problem is that the BASIC SCIENCE PORTION IS POOR.

If you are going to deliver the basic sciences portion online, you must be able to deliver a quality product that enables its students to effectively compete when it is USMLE time. The same is true when you deliver the course at the physical campus.

I do not have an issue with online or distance BASIC SCIENCES portion (except anatomy, intro to physical exam) as long as it is a quality program.

That said, I think IUHS as well as UHSA have a quality problem in this area.
GENOSSA, the basic science portion at UHSA's 3 year program is not online, I am currently a student and I have taken the classes with US MD's teaching the courses. I know students that are just about entering their clinicals and they have only had one class online (genetics), thats it. For someone like myself who has taken genetics in college twice, this class online for me will just be a review. I know the school does in fact have a complete internet based program. However, I do not know much about it I would not recommend this, for I do not believe one can obtain the necessary knowledge. However, I do believe UHSA's program is ample for medical professionals.

[SantoB72]

PROF, I agree. The program at University of Health Science Antigua (UHSA) is a good program for mature students in the medical field. This is my point and what I have been saying from the beginning. I bet, most students that trash the school are not already in the clinical based medical field (PA, NP, etc). I think most RN's have a chance, but not all.

[nurse2md]

PROF, I agree. The program at University of Health Science Antigua (UHSA) is a good program for mature students in the medical field. This is my point and what I have been saying from the beginning. I bet, most students that trash the school are not already in the clinical based medical field (PA, NP, etc). I think most RN's have a chance, but not all.

I have been considering UHSA. I have MSN with 3.87 GPA and I do have good study habits. Older (46 yr old) student. I have read several positive comments regarding those with experience in health care doing ok at UHSA. I do know of US schools that are similar in that students complete a large portion of instruction close to home. Any other insight is appreciated.

[Genossa maximillian]

If the passing rate of USMLE is low, I am simply correlating that fact (that you admit) with what seems to obey to a poor basic sciences program. Online or on site, it seems that there are deficiencies that are reflected in poor pasing rate on board exams.

Just a point of observation. I am glad you are happy there.


GENOSSA, the basic science portion at UHSA's 3 year program is not online, I am currently a student and I have taken the classes with US MD's teaching the courses. I know students that are just about entering their clinicals and they have only had one class online (genetics), thats it. For someone like myself who has taken genetics in college twice, this class online for me will just be a review. I know the school does in fact have a complete internet based program. However, I do not know much about it I would not recommend this, for I do not believe one can obtain the necessary knowledge. However, I do believe UHSA's program is ample for medical professionals.

[SantoB72]

If the passing rate of USMLE is low, I am simply correlating that fact (that you admit) with what seems to obey to a poor basic sciences program. Online or on site, it seems that there are deficiencies that are reflected in poor pasing rate on board exams.

Just a point of observation. I am glad you are happy there.
Ok, the school has a poor pass rate, but so would NYU or Columbia if they accepted 99% of studets that applied, and they have as sound a medical corriculum as there is; dont you agree. Like I said before, UHSA is best suted for a medical professional, i am not saying that 100% of the student already in the medical field will pass USMLE 1 but they seem to have a better shot as performing well and a better chance of passing USMLE 1. And for me as long as I will be able to practice in NY, NJ, FL I have no other problems, except to do what I know needs to be done.

[Genossa maximillian]

cool

max:cool:

Ok, the school has a poor pass rate, but so would NYU or Columbia if they accepted 99% of studets that applied, and they have as sound a medical corriculum as there is; dont you agree. Like I said before, UHSA is best suted for a medical professional, i am not saying that 100% of the student already in the medical field will pass USMLE 1 but they seem to have a better shot as performing well and a better chance of passing USMLE 1. And for me as long as I will be able to practice in NY, NJ, FL I have no other problems, except to do what I know needs to be done.

[SantoB72]

cool

max:cool:
What I would like to know is how to confirm that the school has a scheduled visit from NYS in early 2006. I was told by someone at NYS licensing that this was the fact, but I am now thinking maybe she was confused with AUA and UHSA. How would I confirm? Can anyone confirm this for me and let me know? I have already emailed the school but would like an outside confirmation.

[azskeptic]

What I would like to know is how to confirm that the school has a scheduled visit from NYS in early 2006. I was told by someone at NYS licensing that this was the fact, but I am now thinking maybe she was confused with AUA and UHSA. How would I confirm? Can anyone confirm this for me and let me know? I have already emailed the school but would like an outside confirmation. You'll hear back from NYS I would guess. I beliee your assumption that it is AUA they are visiting is correct; that has been posted elsewhere.

[teratos]

I usually like AZSkeptics points, but don't understand why just because he is a dental surgeon he can't get licensed if he get's his MD, by a state or country that accepts the graduating school and rotations. I'd rather go to him for medical problems them many of my psychiatrist friends that graduated from top US schools. I bet he would make a great otolaryngologist. I think Nova Southeastern has a rapid program for podiatrists to get a DO degree, that is probably shorter than what this Dentist is doing. His rotations look alot better than some of the East European MDs that apply to work in the US. On an individual basis I do not see the problem with mature medically trained individuals. But, I do understand the point as related to young college graduates with no experience in the medical settings. They must rely on the school to provide the best education possible.

He can get his MD, if he goes through medical school. How does one transition from being an oral surgeon to being an otolaryngologist just like that? I'm not sure i disagree with some credits being accepted between med schools and dental schools. I'm sure many of the courses are quite similar. By the same token, many are very dissimilar as well. G

[azskeptic]

I usually like AZSkeptics points, but don't understand why just because he is a dental surgeon he can't get licensed if he get's his MD, by a state or country that accepts the graduating school and rotations. I'd rather go to him for medical problems them many of my psychiatrist friends that graduated from top US schools. I bet he would make a great otolaryngologist. I think Nova Southeastern has a rapid program for podiatrists to get a DO degree, that is probably shorter than what this Dentist is doing. His rotations look alot better than some of the East European MDs that apply to work in the US. On an individual basis I do not see the problem with mature medically trained individuals. But, I do understand the point as related to young college graduates with no experience in the medical settings. They must rely on the school to provide the best education possible. If he can get into a residency he can do it like any oral surgeon would who did their originally oral surgery trianing in a program that doesn't give md degrees. The oral surgery people just had a conference where apparently an attorney gave a talk on the liability issues of a dentist citing an offshore MD that they have which isn't able to be licensed; ask your risk management officer at your local hospital about if they would allow the DDS/MD privileges in their hospital like they are an MD. the answer is no.

[azskeptic]

He can get his MD, if he goes through medical school. How does one transition from being an oral surgeon to being an otolaryngologist just like that? I'm not sure i disagree with some credits being accepted between med schools and dental schools. I'm sure many of the courses are quite similar. By the same token, many are very dissimilar as well. G george, think of it the oppose way....would people want you to practice oral surgery if you went to an offshore dental school for 8-12 weeks and studied via the internet, and 'mentors' in the US?

[teratos]

george, think of it the oppose way....would people want you to practice oral surgery if you went to an offshore dental school for 8-12 weeks and studied via the internet, and 'mentors' in the US?

uh, heck no.

[prof]

Good points. Clearly the Dentist would need to finish the appropriate residency and pass his boards, and be in a state or country that accepted his degree before being an otolaryngologist. Without doing that the degree is simply academic, which may be useful for him in other non clinical ways such as research or business. Which is why many people now get a JD without passing the bar. Even the Kaplan affiliated law school now has an Executive JD for people who want the degree and associated Knowledge, but do not want to pass the bar or practice. I do understand from your previous posts that the Dentists can not use the MD to mislead or generate clinical income from patients, if they are not licensed as an MD in that state. Remember the medical degree in most countries is an undergraduate degree, and when many of them finish and want to apply to the US for graduate school, they call themselves MD/PhDs without ever doing residencies or licenses. They join faculties in every medical school in the USA and Canada in basic science departments or as researchers in clinical departments. Most in fact call their MBBS or MBBCh degree (if that is waht they got) an MD since they argue it is the american equivalent. That one I question but it is common practice in the US, and most American medical school deans have not questioned their faculty on doing this. I would still argue that a person can get an MD as an academic degree without ever being licensed and get a very high paying job, as long as they focus on being a scholar in something or/and get an additional graduate degree.

[teratos]

Good points. Clearly the Dentist would need to finish the appropriate residency and pass his boards, and be in a state or country that accepted his degree before being an otolaryngologist. Without doing that the degree is simply academic, which may be useful for him in other non clinical ways such as research or business. Which is why many people now get a JD without passing the bar. Even the Kaplan affiliated law school now has an Executive JD for people who want the degree and associated Knowledge, but do not want to pass the bar or practice. I do understand from your previous posts that the Dentists can not use the MD to mislead or generate clinical income from patients, if they are not licensed as an MD in that state. Remember the medical degree in most countries is an undergraduate degree, and when many of them finish and want to apply to the US for graduate school, they call themselves MD/PhDs without ever doing residencies or licenses. They join faculties in every medical school in the USA and Canada in basic science departments or as researchers in clinical departments. Most in fact call their MBBS or MBBCh degree (if that is waht they got) an MD since they argue it is the american equivalent. That one I question but it is common practice in the US, and most American medical school deans have not questioned their faculty on doing this. I would still argue that a person can get an MD as an academic degree without ever being licensed and get a very high paying job, as long as they focus on being a scholar in something or/and get an additional graduate degree.

How can you be a scholar when your degree is through an accelerated correspondence course without evidence that prior coursework is comparable?

[prof]

Good question. Publishing or doing a significant thesis is what makes one a recognized scholar. Clearly, that is what state boards such as california look for in approving medical school faculty. At least as I interpret their St. Mathews evaluation. Medical School faculty need to publish. No one ever calls up the school and asks if someone is doing this research or has has any scholarly ideas. Presentations at Professional meetings and publishing is what it is about. The best thing is for a student who has a creative side and does not just want to memorize information is to work with a clinical or research professor during their rotations, and/or for the summer after their second year (if their schedule permits). If they want to be a scholar it doesn't matter to me if they learn their background information on the internet or elsewhere. The british PhD is all about self study. Unlike the American PhD, the british system and most european schools do not have formal coursework, but examine the PhD thesis as a contribution to science. In fact many well recognized Royal Charter british and Australian Universities have complete DL PhD programs. In fact some, including University Technology Sydney, and University of Glamorgan in Wales, and many others now will allow one to be examined for the PhD by prior publications in their field of study. In answer to your question, yes, in the british european system and in some accredited US universities it is possible to be a scholar by studying via the internet. In Science it doesn't matter to most of us where someone got their degree or what degree they have, it matters what contribution to science they are making, and how they are shaping a specific field of study. What if someone got their degree from IUHS and later worked in an inner city hospital and discovered a new type of infection, or a potential treatment using an existing drug off label. He/She diligently researched the cases and published this in a journal which eventually had a significant effect on our public health or created a new field of endeavour. Would it matter if he/she was a Johns Hopkins grad publishing a paper in NEJM. It is the impact of the work and the creativity of the person that is important. Yes I know most students go on this forum because they want to be a practicing physican back in the States. And yes many of you will tell them to go to an American School, or to one of the top Carribean schools and to stay away from the lesser offshore schools. But what is important in our Society is that if these young people have the interest to study health care in this century and the energy to continue doing it in a "lesser" format because of their circumstance (maybe they don't have the college grades, the funds, maybe they have a family and children, maybe they just haven't had good luck, maybe they have an illness themselves or in their family that doesn't allow for travel), then we should embrace that. For at some point whether they are licensed in California or Ethiopia, or just working in healthcare as as a non clinician, for the most part, except for a few petty and malicious people, they will somehow somewhere provide a positive influence in their local community and be a role model for many others. In the long run, it isn't about getting a MD, getting licensed and making money. It is about having an educated society and the more "doctors" the better no matter where they go and what they do.

[Sree Cheruku]

I also found out from NYS that the school is scheduled for a walkthrough in the early part of 2006, Februrary I think for permission to allow UHSA students to perform greater than 12 weeks rotation in NY and to be granted permission to obtain residency positions in NY. this is a very good and positive move.


I was under the impression that AUA was the only school in Antigua getting a NY site visit in January...

[Sree Cheruku]

I am a current student at UHSA 3 year MD program. I have spoke with graduates from this program who are currently fully licensed in the US andworking. I spoke with one graduate a Dr. Tim Carlson in FL who stated that several graduates from his class who graduated are licensed and in practice. I also found out from NYS that the school is scheduled for a walkthrough in the early part of 2006, Februrary I think for permission to allow UHSA students to perform greater than 12 weeks rotation in NY and to be granted permission to obtain residency positions in NY. this is a very good and positive move.


How many UHSA students are on the island right now? Most AUA students are under the impression that your school is an internet operation. I've been here almost 12 months now and I have never seen a student of your school.

[CorporateRaider]

It would be neat to know: "what is the situation @ UHSA".........sans all of the daily intake of "forum rhetoric."





How many UHSA students are on the island right now? Most AUA students are under the impression that your school is an internet operation. I've been here almost 12 months now and I have never seen a student of your school.