AUC vs. SMU --- here's what worries me

[seandubbers]

Prospective Students | American University of the Caribbean (http://www.aucmed.edu/prospective/ushospitals.html)

The list of affiliated hospitals.

St. Matthew's University | School of Medicine | Curriculum (http://www.stmatthews.edu/med_curriculum_clinical-science-curriculum.shtml)

the list of affiliated hospitals.

Now look at the lists for Illinois. SMU has so many more for rotations, and AUC is stuck with one(for IL). how does this work for elective rotations? Can we only work with Mt.Sinai (for auc students)??? Thats the only thing that worries me. SMU has access to Rush, etc, and I think thats really neat (having so many options nearby). But then, SMU isn't licensed in all 50 states

[Jon-Monkey]

What exactly worries you.......

[FOID]

electives, you schedule wherever you want.

[seandubbers]

electives, you schedule wherever you want.

So university hospital accept FMGs for rotations?

[Jon-Monkey]

So university hospital accept FMGs for rotations?

Those are hospitals that AUC is affiliated with which mean they we can do rotations at those locations.

[FOID]

So university hospital accept FMGs for rotations?

you can go wherever you want. just depends if the hospital has a space for you or not.

[Jon-Monkey]

It is a gamble. If you want to ultimately work in IL then do your time where a school that is licensed in all 50 states can rotate in. If not and you want to rotate near your hometown but do not want to work there then go somewhere like SMU.

[teratos]

You can't expect every school to have a presence in every state. What about the loan situation? Not to say SMU is a bad school, but aren't there some problems with loans at this point? AUC has been around for a long time. G

[CaptainInsaneO]

What worries me is that this is your criteria when SMU has a whole truckload of issues that I wouldn't have time to list in one night.

[kemper6036]

auc= licensure in all 50 states.....smu= not so much

so in most people's book, there is no comparison.

[seandubbers]

What worries me is that this is your criteria when SMU has a whole truckload of issues that I wouldn't have time to list in one night.


SMU follows the calif list. the the state licensure is limited to there. What are the other major issues I should consider

[DrFraud]

Prospective Students | American University of the Caribbean (http://www.aucmed.edu/prospective/ushospitals.html)

The list of affiliated hospitals.

St. Matthew's University | School of Medicine | Curriculum (http://www.stmatthews.edu/med_curriculum_clinical-science-curriculum.shtml)

the list of affiliated hospitals.

Now look at the lists for Illinois. SMU has so many more for rotations, and AUC is stuck with one(for IL). how does this work for elective rotations? Can we only work with Mt.Sinai (for auc students)??? Thats the only thing that worries me. SMU has access to Rush, etc, and I think thats really neat (having so many options nearby). But then, SMU isn't licensed in all 50 states

Your going to have to do what you think is right for you based upon your ability to get into the best school that you can. No program will offer everything. You have to evaluate your priorities with the program that offers the best set of compromises. No choice will be perfect nor will either choice offer you everything you want in a school.

[DRDRWMD]

SMU follows the calif list. the the state licensure is limited to there. What are the other major issues I should considerThe loan situation is definitely an important factor.

[seandubbers]

The loan situation is definitely an important factor.


Is there a substantional difference?

[Arkie]

Is there a substantional difference?

substantional? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[billydoc]

Is there a substantional difference?
Yeah, like loan vs no loan :twisted:

[billydoc]

SMU follows the calif list. the the state licensure is limited to there. What are the other major issues I should consider


What do you mean SMU "follows" Cali list? :confused: Usually States (and there are quite a few now) that follow Cali list. I have nothing agains SMU, but really there is no comparison at this point to AUC.

[seandubbers]

What do you mean SMU "follows" Cali list? :confused: Usually States (and there are quite a few now) that follow Cali list. I have nothing agains SMU, but really there is no comparison at this point to AUC.


Which states are there now?? what i was tring to say was that SMU would get you to where you need to be, just as AUC would. I have nothing against either school.

[seandubbers]

Yeah, like loan vs no loan :twisted:


Is it hard to get loans from SMU?

[billydoc]

Is it hard to get loans from SMU?


They don't have Stafford loans like AUC, ROSS, SGU, some European, Israili, and Filipino schools. Many private lenders pulled out of Carib med school market altogether. SMU will get you somewhere, but if you wanted Cali, and States that use Cali's list.....just forget it. If you were really accepted in AUC I really don't underfstand what is there to think about.

[Nelphus]

If you were really accepted in AUC I really don't underfstand what is there to think about.

exactly.... 0

[DRDRWMD]

Is there a substantional difference?Granted, I am a clinical student, who has not actually done this; however, I hear the federal loans are at lower interest rates and are easier to defer through residency. It is also nice to know loans are continued throughout one's education. If one does not need loans, California is not an issue, then the schools should be similar. (Granted, I only went to AUC, so I can not say anything regarding SMU, but I am overall happy I went to AUC). Personally, I would go there if given the choice, if all else, it is "rumored" to be higher up on the caribbean medical food chain.

[CaptainInsaneO]

SMU is locked out of something like 12-14 states... That is serious.

Which states? Outside of the Cali list, I don't know and don't care.

That is your job to look it up.

[Arkie]

SMU is locked out of something like 12-14 states... That is serious.

Which states? Outside of the Cali list, I don't know and don't care.

That is your job to look it up.

Directly from Wikipedia:

Graduates of St. Matthew's School of Medicine are currently not able to be licensed as physicians in the following states:

California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California): As a result of a site visit done by the Medical Board of California (http://www.medbd.ca.gov/), SMU was officially disapproved for both training and licensure on February 18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_18), 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005).[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-6)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-7)
Indiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana): States SMU is disapproved as of December 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_5), 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-8)
Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas): State regulations require "a graduate of a school which has been in operation for not less than 15 years and the graduates of which have been licensed in another state or states which has standards similar to Kansas." [10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-9)
North Dakota (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota): States "graduates of [SMU] after the date of disapproval by the California Medical Board should not presume eligibility for either resident or permanent licensure in North Dakota."[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-10)
Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas): SMU is not listed on the Substantial Equivalence list[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-11) and as such SMU graduates wishing to obtain a Texas license must submit supplemental documentation in order to become licensed[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-12).

[stephew]

you can't necessarily do an elective "anywhere you want". here's tyhe problem:
1) some states wont give you credit for away electives no matter where you do them. So even if you went to harvard they wouldnt count it.
2) harvard- and lots of places, wont take imgs. some will but you pay through the nose. on top of your regular tuition.
3) you need to be sure youre picking greenbook ok'd places else youre opening up another licensing kettle of fish.

[seandubbers]

you can't necessarily do an elective "anywhere you want". here's tyhe problem:
1) some states wont give you credit for away electives no matter where you do them. So even if you went to harvard they wouldnt count it.
2) harvard- and lots of places, wont take imgs. some will but you pay through the nose. on top of your regular tuition.
3) you need to be sure youre picking greenbook ok'd places else youre opening up another licensing kettle of fish.

What exactly is thiis "greenbook" and where can i find more infor on it?

[seandubbers]

you can't necessarily do an elective "anywhere you want". here's tyhe problem:
1) some states wont give you credit for away electives no matter where you do them. So even if you went to harvard they wouldnt count it.
2) harvard- and lots of places, wont take imgs. some will but you pay through the nose. on top of your regular tuition.
3) you need to be sure youre picking greenbook ok'd places else youre opening up another licensing kettle of fish.

What exactly is this "greenbook" and where can i find more info on it?

[seandubbers]

SMU is locked out of something like 12-14 states... That is serious.

Which states? Outside of the Cali list, I don't know and don't care.

That is your job to look it up.


Cali,Indiana,kansas,north dakota,texas = 5 states

now is that the same as 12-14? i dont think so. maybe you should post answers that are actually, answers.

have a nice day

[ChanceCount]

Cali,Indiana,kansas,north dakota,texas = 5 states

now is that the same as 12-14? i dont think so. maybe you should post answers that are actually, answers.

have a nice day

Some states follow CA list.

[Jon-Monkey]

Cali,Indiana,kansas,north dakota,texas = 5 states

now is that the same as 12-14? i dont think so. maybe you should post answers that are actually, answers.

have a nice day

That is 5 states that that flat out say no to SMU, any other states that follow the cali list, which could easily be another 7-9, would not allow you to work either. If you are willing to gamble on a school that could leave you $250,000 in debt and with no means to pay it back go for it. If you want to have a little sercurity no to mention peace of mind do what it takes to get into one of the big 3 caribbean schools. You have a nice day.......

[DrFraud]

Cali,Indiana,kansas,north dakota,texas = 5 states

now is that the same as 12-14? i dont think so. maybe you should post answers that are actually, answers.

have a nice day

Most of the people who are responding to your inquires here are very busy medical students who are happy to help, but when you start to become unappreaciative, which you appear to be, it would be better for you to do the research to the questions you are asking first b-4 you ask easy-to-research questions and flaming like this.

[CaptainInsaneO]

You know, you should go to SMU.

you would fit in perfectly!

[billydoc]

You know, you should go to SMU.

you would fit in perfectly!


I agree.

Look Seandubbers, no disrespect to you. You've asked a legit question. Lots of ppl responded to you in good faith. Arkie even did all leg work for you (something you should be doing). If it's not convivcing then by all means go to SMU. But don't say later on "I didn't know".

Good Luck buddy

[Jon-Monkey]

You know, you should go to SMU.

you would fit in perfectly!

I agree.

Look Seandubbers, no disrespect to you. You've asked a legit question. Lots of ppl responded to you in good faith. Arkie even did all leg work for you (something you should be doing). If it's not convivcing then by all means go to SMU. But don't say later on "I didn't know".

Good Luck buddy

Well put, I whole heartedly agree with both of your assessments of Mr Seadubbers

[livingthedream]

Cali,Indiana,kansas,north dakota,texas = 5 states

now is that the same as 12-14? i dont think so. maybe you should post answers that are actually, answers.

have a nice day

I think 12-14 is actually the better answer since it speaks of the actuality of the situation. Yes it is only 5 states but those five states make up like a 1/3 of the united states by area.

[Jon-Monkey]

I think 12-14 is actually the better answer since it speaks of the actuality of the situation. Yes it is only 5 states but those five states make up like a 1/3 of the united states by area.


Rabble rabble rabble....

[livingthedream]

Rabble rabble rabble....

Nice not even a first semester medical student yet, and already using words in the wrong context that you obviously do not know the meaning of. You are at least one maybe two months ahead of the curve.

[lsmith55uf]

I think it was a South Park reference...

[Jon-Monkey]

Nice not even a first semester medical student yet, and already using words in the wrong context that you obviously do not know the meaning of. You are at least one maybe two months ahead of the curve.

Are you not familiar with south park?? As for being ahead of the curve, I do not know if that is a good thing or a slap in the face, sir.....;)

[Jon-Monkey]

I think it was a South Park reference...

Someone knows whats going on, amen

[lsmith55uf]

Haha, glad I could help.

[DrFraud]

Haha, glad I could help.


2000 posts and you haven't even started basic sciences. Now that's impressive.

[lsmith55uf]

Yeah? Thanks :)

I've tapered off a lot since my daughter was born though.

[kemper6036]

i was too scared to post stuff in the early days.....it was nice to network with future classmates though