clinicals

[Drzee2012]

Anyone knows where rotations would be for 6-10 semesters. Any idea?

[nikeman]

I received an email that stated "We have established clinical relationships so far with Illinois, Georgia, New York, and Puerto Rico. We are in the process of setting up several other clinical opportunities for our students." I don't know the exact locations, but they did tell me that.

[Drzee2012]

I received an email that stated "We have established clinical relationships so far with Illinois, Georgia, New York, and Puerto Rico. We are in the process of setting up several other clinical opportunities for our students." I don't know the exact locations, but they did tell me that.

So New York is part of it. very good. thank you

[MDIN2009]

How can a school that does not have NY approval have NY clinical s?

[nikeman]

I'm not sure how, but I would like the UMHS official to answer that for all of us. What I posted was sent to me in an email from the west coast office for UMHS.

[rokshana]

i was going to ask the exact same thing....you need NYS approval to do rotations in NY....and that takes a while...typo?

[medicine2k6]

NO you do not need NY approval to do rotations in NY. The rule is that you can do rotations in NY BUT for only LESS than 12 weeks.

However, a school that does have NY approval can do rotations for MORE than 12 weeks. Thats the difference.

But having approval does carry ofcourse leverage for the school and looks great :)

[rokshana]

NO you do not need NY approval to do rotations in NY. The rule is that you can do rotations in NY BUT for only LESS than 12 weeks.

However, a school that does have NY approval can do rotations for MORE than 12 weeks. Thats the difference.

But having approval does carry ofcourse leverage for the school and looks great :)

ahhh...that makes sense, but then why are there schools that can't do clinicals in NY?

[medicine2k6]

Well there can be a variety of reasons why another school cant place their students in rotations in NY such as if they have the proper accreditations, whether a hospital would accept them or even deal with them, status of the school or even whether the school has established strong connections, etc.

But rest assured I doubt UMHS will have any problem because its got all that. NY approval my guess will come within 2-3 years.

You guys should realize something else...Im sure the school is going after several state approvals. Take a look at where there are UMHS offices set up: Flordia, NY, CALI...

I havent even heard of a carribean med school have a office in Cali so thats interesting. This is all preparation to go after state approvals and look good. Also to show them we are legit and know what we are doing.

[MDIN2009]

That still does not answer the question. Do they have NY clinical s now or in 2-3 years. That is the question. There is no doubt that the school will do well...

[medicine2k6]

The answer to your question is YES, they do have NY clinicals right now.

[rokshana]

I havent even heard of a carribean med school have a office in Cali so thats interesting.

actually i believe AUC has a cali office...

[MDIN2009]

The answer to your question is YES, they do have NY clinicals right now.


Oh ok...so only for 12 weeks. thanks

[MDIN2009]

Here is a Great post on NY, clinicals and Residency BYMatCFAMD (http://www.valuemd.com/members/matcfamd.html)

The current situation applies to UMHS as well.

New York: Clinicals, Residency and Licensure as a Windsor Grad
What do you mean Windsor students can't do any rotation in New York?

As a school, Windsor is not in the approved list of schools that can send its students to do clerkships that exceed 12 weeks spread over two-academic years.

To say that Windsor students can't do rotation in New York at all is not the proper way to say it. They can, but not to exceed 12 weeks.

Only those students from the schools in the approved list can do full-time clerkships in New York. Also Not being in this list does not reflect the quality of medical education coming from those schools. This list includes only 13 medical schools who established some affiliations with teaching hospitals, and these schools are the only schools outside USA and Canada that can send their students to the State of New York and be able to do clerkships and rotations the total length of which can aggreggate to exceed 12 weeks over a two-academic-year period.

So, when you talk about the New York approval, that's for clerkships that can exceed 12 weeks. "not exceeding 12 weeks" is the key here. This is strictly reinforced. Here are the 13 schools that are in the approved list.

American University of Antigua, Antigua
American University of the Caribbean, St. Martin, Netherland Antilles
The Autonomous University of Guadalajara, Guadalajara, Mexico
English Language Program, University of Debrecen, Medical and Health Science Center, Medical School, Debrecen, Hungary
English Language Program, Medical University of Lublin, Lublin, Poland
English Language Program, Medical University of Silesia, Katowice, Poland
Fatima College of Medicine, Manila, Philippines
International Health and Medicine Program, Ben Gurion University of the Negrev, Beer-Sheva, Israel
Kasturba Medical College, Manipal, India
Medical University of the Americas/Nevis, Nevis, West Indies
Ross University School of Medicine, Roseau, Dominica
Saba University School of Medicine, Saba, Netherland Antilles
St. George's University School of Medicine, St. George's, Grenada
St. Matthew's University School of Medicine, Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands

Now, not being in this list does not imply the quality of your school's medical education is sub par. This list is not intended to serve that purpose. Okay? This list merely includes those schools that did apply to the State of New York to send their students for full time clerkships, and were approved. It is for that purpose that this list exists. For a school to apply to be in the list, there are a lot of money involved, resources, so not only the quality of the school.

Also, this list is not the eligibility list to do residency in New York. As a Windsor student, you are not ineligible to do postgraduate training in New York. You become ineligible, however, if you spend more than 12 weeks of clerkships outside the country where your medical school is located.

For Licensure:
So if you desire to be licensed in New York, as a Windsor student, you can be, regardless whether you did your residency or not in the State of New York. Your postgraduate training must be ACGME-accredited, and if you spent more than 12 weeks of clerkship outside the country where your medical school is located, you must document each of those rotations, using Form 2CC.

For Residency:
If you desire to do your postgraduate training in the State of New York, to be eligible, you cannot exceed 12 weeks clerkship outside the country where your school is located. Options are to spend clerkships in St. Kitts and maximum 12 weeks in the US to be eligible to enter match for and accept postgraduate programs offered located in State of New York; or do all rotations in the US (but not all rotations in the state of New York, for Windsor students, max is 12 weeks) but you cannot accept postgraduate training offered in State of New York. The reason here is because you spend more than 12 weeks of clerkship outside the country where your medical school is chartered and accredited. This rule applies to all foreign medical schools outside USA and Canada, not only to Windsor. Students from schools in the 'approved list' can spend more than 12 weeks of clerkship, however, and still remain eligible to apply for residency in the State of New York.

So, very briefly, Windsor students
-- are allowed only the maximum 12 weeks of clinical rotations in the State of New York;
-- as eligible as any IMED-medical school grad to apply for residency in the State of NY provided the 12 weeks limit for rotations outside his/her country is not exceeded;
-- and can be licensed as any IMED-medical school grad in the State of NY (subject to other requirements relevant to the school, and to the student in particular).

If you are licensed in a state other than the state of new york, you can also apply for licensure subject to other requirements, and may or may need to complete additional year of postgraduate training.

[Compassion MD]

This apply to Sint Eustatius students too.., 12 weeks...

[medschool123]

I was looking on the UMHS website and I see that the school is definitely coming along great, but I was curious to know why the website was so vague on where and if the school has clinical sites yet?

As of right now does the school have any clinical sites? If not, when will you and when will u post where they are?

Id like to know this before transferring and not jus myself, many prospective students are waiting to see and find out!

[medicine2k6]

Growing schools dont immediately publish their clinical sites because of the competition with other carribean schools. UMHS is getting itself established at a rapid rate and Im sure it will release their clinical sites soon. The "competition" between schools is not just about getting the clinical site but to get AS MANY SEATS AS POSSIBLE there for their students. So if they start publishing sites without circulating enough students, other schools will start getting in touch with the hospitals, etc. and start taking seats away. This all from what Ive understood.

[jjphilly13]

I would like either a current UMHS student or UMHS school offical to reply to this posting either in the public forum or send me a private message.

I check the web page for UMHS daily, I see NO changes of were "THESE" clinicals are located...just the states.

Can someone answer a few questions?
1. WHat hospitals/medical centers are these rotations located?
2. Can a student perform all of his/her 3rd yr at one facility?....or does a student have to relocate every 6 or 12 wks??

I know I will have more ? in the future.....so please add some in:idea:

[butterflymd]

Hey J Phil have you tried contacting the main office in New York City. I think that would be a better place to have your questions answered. Associate Director of Adm JK is an excellent source of information. Hope that helps. :p

[UMHS]

We have worked very hard to only send out information that is accurate at the time of the posting or mailing. IF we talk about future plans, we identify them as plans. It saves us from embarrassment when a plan goes awry. When schools, UMHS included, post plans as if they weres current facts, it always looks like they were lying if the plan doesn't come to fruition.

If we say that we have a rotation, it means that we have a contract so that our September 5th semester students will be able to enter that rotation in January 2009.

At the moment, we still are not announcing the exact locations of rotations. As I'm sure you know, it is a highly competitive market and we are keeping our hand close to our vest.

In some cases, 3rd year students will need to switch hospitals for their next rotation. In other cases, they will be able to do all or most of their core rotations in the same location.

As we get closer to the January semester and the ink dries completely on the hospital contracts, we will make one announcement giving specifics of all the clinical sites, both big and small.

[Drwanabe]

hello, i was wondering if anybody knew which hospitals are affiliated with the states in which this schools has clinicals set up. New York, Arizona, Connecticut, Kentucky, Ohio, Illinois, Puerto Rico, and Michigan are listed on their site. thanks

[WSUCougar]

hello, i was wondering if anybody knew which hospitals are affiliated with the states in which this schools has clinicals set up. New York, Arizona, Connecticut, Kentucky, Ohio, Illinois, Puerto Rico, and Michigan are listed on their site. thanks

please refer to the previous post before yours

[rokshana]

We have worked very hard to only send out information that is accurate at the time of the posting or mailing. IF we talk about future plans, we identify them as plans. It saves us from embarrassment when a plan goes awry. When schools, UMHS included, post plans as if they weres current facts, it always looks like they were lying if the plan doesn't come to fruition.

If we say that we have a rotation, it means that we have a contract so that our September 5th semester students will be able to enter that rotation in January 2009.

At the moment, we still are not announcing the exact locations of rotations. As I'm sure you know, it is a highly competitive market and we are keeping our hand close to our vest.

In some cases, 3rd year students will need to switch hospitals for their next rotation. In other cases, they will be able to do all or most of their core rotations in the same location.

As we get closer to the January semester and the ink dries completely on the hospital contracts, we will make one announcement giving specifics of all the clinical sites, both big and small.


bravo! i really like that you are straight forward and up front with both the info that you do have and that you do not have other pieces of info....please keep it up!