MUCH MUCH shorter!!!

[viva0]

Hi :)
I've picked a few important ones. Can students answer them please? thanks

1) What is the complete fail-out rate, as in the % of students dismissed from SGU each year?

2) Do students compete for the profs' time in the MD program, ie. a prof has ~4 office hours during a week, but he has 400 students asking him questions during these hours?

3) For students who did make-up exams, how many tend to pass?

4) For the decel program, do students normally finish within the 3-year basic science time limit?

5) If you have to re-take a class, can you take it along with ~2 courses from the upcoming semester, or can you ONLY take the failed class by itself?

6) How many people decel? How many times can you decel before being dismissed from SGU?

[viva0]

anyone for the few questions?

[CANeh]

Oh newbie.. so cute. Please tell me your NOT as canuck. Wait till you get started with medical school... you will wonder why you asked all these question and just concentrate on floating.

1) What is the complete fail-out rate, as in the % of students dismissed from SGU each year?

Dismissed I don't know. I think it will be somewhere on website.. but the number we lose each term, decel, withdrawal, sick leave, I calculated to be 10-13%. Not sure if this is true. I calculated it on the back of a napkin.

2) Do students compete for the profs' time in the MD program, ie. a prof has ~4 office hours during a week, but he has 400 students asking him questions during these hours?

Nope. Most students don't even know the profs names when test comes around. You get the notes.. go to class.. study and write the test. Most anyway. Some are really annoying and have to come up to prof and ask a question every break (you guys know who you are).

3) For students who did make-up exams, how many tend to pass?

Not sure.. but in principle if you take the exam once.. and you study and rewrite you are likely to pass. But you can only re-write with few classes now.. since most are 4 credits or more. I think only 4 or 5 classes in the first two years are less than 4 credits.

Are you even in medical school.. or why you asking about repeating exam or courses. If that is your goal maybe you should save yourself the money and stay home.


4) For the decel program, do students normally finish within the 3-year basic science time limit?

You must finish in 3 year. Either you succeed or you get kicked out.. either way you finish. Medicine is not a hobby. 3 years for basic science is enough. If not maybe another career is more fitting.


5) If you have to re-take a class, can you take it along with ~2 courses from the upcoming semester, or can you ONLY take the failed class by itself?

Nope... you must take the classes you failed. Before moving on... I believe this is true for most cases. Some exception happen in first year.
Again.. see above. WHY DO YOU PLAN ON FAILING?


6) How many people decel? How many times can you decel before being dismissed from SGU?[/quote]

3 year limit... therefore decel 2 times and your done.

[CANeh]

anyone for the few questions?

There now stop asking questions and find something more positive to do with yourself than being a pessimist.

[EhJJ]

Hi :)
I've picked a few important ones. Can students answer them please? thanks

1) What is the complete fail-out rate, as in the % of students dismissed from SGU each year?

2) Do students compete for the profs' time in the MD program, ie. a prof has ~4 office hours during a week, but he has 400 students asking him questions during these hours?

3) For students who did make-up exams, how many tend to pass?

4) For the decel program, do students normally finish within the 3-year basic science time limit?

5) If you have to re-take a class, can you take it along with ~2 courses from the upcoming semester, or can you ONLY take the failed class by itself?

6) How many people decel? How many times can you decel before being dismissed from SGU?

1. Typically, only a small percentage do not return the next term. SGU is fairly on-par with US schools, in that it's about 1-2%. The university tries very hard to keep you in the MD program.

2. I haven't heard of problems with students wanting to see profs but that they were unavailable. Most courses have several profs, each has several office hours, and there are many other resources available. Overall, it's not bad except for the week before midterms and finals.

3. Pass rates for make-up exams are good. I don't know if anyone has ever calculated the numbers.

4. Yes, the decel program is designed so that you complete the basic sciences within the specified time. That's the whole point! Why would SGU even offer it otherwise??

5. For courses <4 credits, you take a completion exam. If you fail a "big course" (i.e. anatomy, biochem, neuroscience, physiology) you take ONLY that course. The point is that you get zero credit-points for a failed course, so the second time you take it, they want you to get an A!! That way, you have a C average. I suppose you can always sit in on and study for another course to get ahead. The way the classes are scheduled, they're not set up to take mixed-terms.

6. I'd say about 10% of the class will not pass a course, so the decel rate is fairly high. While not great when applying to residencies, decelling doesn't kill you. SGU tries very hard to get you through the program so that you get your M.D. The people who don't make it are those who a) had some life problem interfere (i.e. pregnancy), b) don't have the ability to become doctors no matter where they go to school (rare), or c) didn't try. (Sorry if that sounds harsh.)

[tin]

There now stop asking questions and find something more positive to do with yourself than being a pessimist.


heheehehe I agree.


I'd like to add a little bit to question 2 and EhJJ's comment

Regarding professors' time you shouldn't have to worry about not being able to ask questions (as far as my experience in term 1). Usually there are multiple professors in a course.........who would love to have students utilize their office hours, so there is no prob with finding time with them (except the week before finals). Also, there are the student-taught DES sessions that help students out and explain the major concepts.


Good luck.......and work hard.

[cooolguy]

i think if you study as hard as you thought about these questions, you will find that you dont need to be asking these questions

[kananaskis_girl]

Hi :)
I've picked a few important ones. Can students answer them please? thanks

1) What is the complete fail-out rate, as in the % of students dismissed from SGU each year?

2) Do students compete for the profs' time in the MD program, ie. a prof has ~4 office hours during a week, but he has 400 students asking him questions during these hours?

3) For students who did make-up exams, how many tend to pass?

4) For the decel program, do students normally finish within the 3-year basic science time limit?

5) If you have to re-take a class, can you take it along with ~2 courses from the upcoming semester, or can you ONLY take the failed class by itself?

6) How many people decel? How many times can you decel before being dismissed from SGU?

unless you plan on being in one of these groups that you're asking questions about the stats don't matter....for the most part, these numbers aren't available from the school. just work hard and don't fail, put your time into more positive pursuits.

[rokshana]

to the OP why are you SOOOO focused on failing or the options to slow down your study? you will at some point NOT be able to slow down- taking the steps, rarely will you get extra time to take the exam...and you will not get extra time in residency...if you can't get everything done in the 80 hours/week you have to work (and believe me its a hard push!! to do so! at least in t he beginning!) you will not survive...

if you are looking always to just pass or are already afraid that you will not pass then you are destined to do so...aim for a "C" and you just may find out that you didn't pass the class....you need to come into any class thinking you are going to get an "A"- then the worst you you will come out with is a "B"- aim lower and you risk failing...

[viva0]

Hey thanks everyone, your answers do make me and my friends at home feel better.

[zack0000]

actually, for classes you've dropped (not failed), do you have to pay tuition again?

-Hey, what are the satisfactory academic progress guidelines they're talking about here in the student handbook?: "Students who fail Step 1 may retake the exam as many times as they want but must stay within satisfactory academic progress guidelines" (pg75)

-also, just curious as to how many people graduate with the same people they started with in term 1?

-since there are only a few classes that you can write make-up tests for, is there a limit as to how many make-up exams you're permitted before being dismissed from the school?

-and someone mentioned on this post that only ~10% decel in any given term. That's not TOO high.

i'm curious about these answers too. thanks!

[argazul]

SGU has much lower dropout numbers due to higher acceptance standards and good academic/student support system.

[argazul]

and no, you don't have to pay tuition for dropped (which is decelled) classes again, since its already been paid for.

[zack0000]

thanks for clearing up the tuition thing.
Can students answer these? thanks:

-Hey, what are the satisfactory academic progress guidelines they're talking about here in the student handbook?: "Students who fail Step 1 may retake the exam as many times as they want but must stay within satisfactory academic progress guidelines" (pg75)

-also, just curious as to how many people graduate with the same people they started with in term 1?

-since there are only a few classes that you can write make-up tests for, is there a limit as to how many make-up exams you're permitted before being dismissed from the school?

-and someone mentioned on this post that only ~10% decel each term. How come I heard that ~30% decelled each term a little while ago? Can someone clarify this?

[EhJJ]

thanks for clearing up the tuition thing.
Can students answer these? thanks:

-Hey, what are the satisfactory academic progress guidelines they're talking about here in the student handbook?: "Students who fail Step 1 may retake the exam as many times as they want but must stay within satisfactory academic progress guidelines" (pg75)
Read "Satisfactory Academic Progress Guidelines" starting on page 80!!
-also, just curious as to how many people graduate with the same people they started with in term 1?

-since there are only a few classes that you can write make-up tests for, is there a limit as to how many make-up exams you're permitted before being dismissed from the school?

Read "Satisfactory Academic Progress Guidelines" starting on page 80!!


-and someone mentioned on this post that only ~10% decel each term. How come I heard that ~30% decelled each term a little while ago? Can someone clarify this?

[kananaskis_girl]

thanks for clearing up the tuition thing.
Can students answer these? thanks:

-Hey, what are the satisfactory academic progress guidelines they're talking about here in the student handbook?: "Students who fail Step 1 may retake the exam as many times as they want but must stay within satisfactory academic progress guidelines" (pg75)

i.e. you have to pass this exam with enough time remaining to finish your degree in the allotted time frame, the school doesn't give you 10 years to finish your degree...it gives you 3 years to start your clinical training (3 years to finish basic sciences) and then another 3 years to complete your clinical training, total of 6 years to finish your MD. So, theoretically, you can get through basic sciences within 2 years, spend 2 years trying to pass Step I and then finish your clinical training in another 2 years, probably not the best route to go with though :rolleyes: Just pass it on the first try. And, since you're reading this from the student handbook, just read 2 more pages and it will explain this to you...

-also, just curious as to how many people graduate with the same people they started with in term 1?

not sure if these numbers are posted anywhere, but the majority of people graduate with the classmates they started with

-since there are only a few classes that you can write make-up tests for, is there a limit as to how many make-up exams you're permitted before being dismissed from the school?

like it's been said before, you are only allowed 3 years to finish your 2 years of basic sciences, if you decel twice, game's over

-and someone mentioned on this post that only ~10% decel each term. How come I heard that ~30% decelled each term a little while ago? Can someone clarify this?

this number changes every semester...don't take these numbers seriously, I don't think the school actually posts these stats anywhere, these are arbitrary guesses. Just don't be in that group. Also, remember that people decel for different reasons, some people take time off to have babies (yes, that's happened before), get married, go home to deal with family situations, etc. So, taking a look at the total numbers of decels doesn't really tell you anything without knowing why people did it...did they fail classes, feel overwhelmed or take a LOA? The numbers don't mean anything unless you get this type of background info, so work hard and don't worry about it.

[rokshana]

actually you can decel 3x and still get out on time...its not advisable, but you can still finish in 6 years...

[argazul]

here is the attrition rate data. and a whole lot of other numbers the OP can enjoy.
About SGU - St. George&rsquo;s University (http://www.sgu.edu/website/sguwebsite.nsf/about-sgu/SOM-student-bodypg2.html#6)