review book list

[dondon]

is the a good list of review books for the first term:

brs for anatomy
brs for biochem
brs for histology
rohen atlas
netter flash cards
high yield for embryology

is this too much?? can i get by without some of these?
thank you.

[kananaskis_girl]

too much, if you want to save weight, narrow it down to the important ones, biochem brs, netter's flash cards and the HY embryo, the rest are fluff

[DWB]

is that brs biochem and molecular biology?
or the older version which is just brs biochem?

[Kongakut]

Brs anatomy is very good. I used it more than any other resource.

Brs biochem/molecular is more relevant to the class but I've heard it has a lot of errors. I would read reviews on that one. I didn't get one because of what I read about it.

Had Netters flash cards but rarely used them.

Also had Rohens and didn't use it because, while the practical exam comes from Rohens, the exam practice slides have already been labeled by upper termers. Since they changed the course, the slides may change but it is an expensive book to buy just for that. I would recommend UWisc (http://www.anatomy.wisc.edu/courses/gross/index.html) or UMich (http://anatomy.med.umich.edu/courseinfo/video_index.html) videos before getting Rohens.

Embryo is taught well from the notes and you really need to know the green boxes from the book. I don't think you need anything else for that.

Histo you can also do well with what they provide. I used the atlas and companion a lot.

[ibepuffin]

does SGU provide all the books and flash cards in the above list? or do we need to buy some of those in addition to what they are providing? thanks!

[Reilly]

The histo brs is a waste. The biochem brs is basically a condensed version of the book you are getting (same authors), which is a condensed version of the book they used to use. It would only be good for the USLME style questions, and many people have them here so it might not be worth getting.

I would take the rest. Though they are changing the books for anatomy, so maybe the brs might not be needed, but I found it helpful.

[dondon]

idk what im getting yet, but just to make sure, these are the correct books, right?

Netter's Anatomy Flash Cards: With STUDENT CONSULT Online Access
John T. Hansen

High-Yield™ Embryology: A Collaborative Project of Medical Students and Faculty
Ronald W. Dudek

BRS Cell Biology and Histology
Leslie Gartner, James L. Hiatt, Judy M. Strum

BRS Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Todd A. Swanson, Sandra I. Kim, Marc J. Glucksman

Gross Anatomy: Board Review Series
Kyung Won Chung, Harold M. Chung

Color Atlas of Anatomy: A Photographic Study of the Human Body
Johannes W. Rohen

[argazul]

we do have McMinns Atlas in our book list. Amazon.com: McMinn's Clinical Atlas of Human Anatomy with DVD (McMinn's Clinical Atls of Human Anatomy): Peter H. Abrahams, Johannes Boon, Jonathan D. Spratt: Books (http://www.amazon.com/McMinns-Clinical-Atlas-Human-Anatomy/dp/0323036058/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216767231&sr=1-2)

it has pictures of cadavers, and between netter's and this I would assume that we have more than enugh anatomy information for an atlas.

Do we really need rohen, and how much more rohen be if we combined netter's and mcninn's to study anatomy?

[argazul]

is there really a need for BRS Biochem? i feel like between Mark's, Lippincott's, and the First Aid there is more than enough Biochem for the class as well as Steps.

[dondon]

the problem is i really dont know what i need and what i dont... i wasnt a science major so i dont have a strong background in anything... i know its too much at the moment, im just not sure what to give up yet...

[Kongakut]

That is one of the hardest adjustments, imo, to figure out how to best use your time. All of those extra resources only take up time you don't have unless they are really good and can add to your understanding.

Are you a visual learner? Then Rohen might be a good investment.

I found that anatomy BRS (chung) was really good because it was succinct and covered most if not all of the clinical correlations that you need to know (though the new text might be better at that than baby moore which covered them but not very well). The anatomy course is clinically oriented. No more rote memorization questions on exams. While obviously, you need to know structures, you also need to know how a person with, for example, a facial nerve lesion presents, not just where the nerve originates. Almost every question begins with clinical scenario such as "a 45 year old women with a previous tongue resection presents to the ED with loss of general and special sensation on the anterior 2/3 of the tongue... this indicates a lesion on which of the following nervous structures?" You will most likely not see "what ligaments prevent a knee from sliding forward?"

Lippincott is very good for biochem.

Really - I think anything more for histo is a waste of money. The books supplied by the school are more than sufficient. You also have online resources too.

[Reilly]

we do have McMinns Atlas in our book list. Amazon.com: McMinn's Clinical Atlas of Human Anatomy with DVD (McMinn's Clinical Atls of Human Anatomy): Peter H. Abrahams, Johannes Boon, Jonathan D. Spratt: Books (http://www.amazon.com/McMinns-Clinical-Atlas-Human-Anatomy/dp/0323036058/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216767231&sr=1-2)

it has pictures of cadavers, and between netter's and this I would assume that we have more than enugh anatomy information for an atlas.

Do we really need rohen, and how much more rohen be if we combined netter's and mcninn's to study anatomy?

The thing with Rohen is that for the powerpoint slides they use on the exams they basically take them directly from this book. Though, who knows if that will change with the new set of books they are using.

[kananaskis_girl]

we do have McMinns Atlas in our book list. Amazon.com: McMinn's Clinical Atlas of Human Anatomy with DVD (McMinn's Clinical Atls of Human Anatomy): Peter H. Abrahams, Johannes Boon, Jonathan D. Spratt: Books (http://www.amazon.com/McMinns-Clinical-Atlas-Human-Anatomy/dp/0323036058/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216767231&sr=1-2)

it has pictures of cadavers, and between netter's and this I would assume that we have more than enugh anatomy information for an atlas.

Do we really need rohen, and how much more rohen be if we combined netter's and mcninn's to study anatomy?

no, you don't need rohen, it's expensive for the use you'll get out of it for anatomy....yes, slides on the exam come from this book, and yes, SOMEONE in your class or an upper-termer will have the book so you can browse through it once (only once) before an exam, or you can just look at it in the library. This book is not worth buying or taking down there just for a few slides on the exam which you should be able to figure out from the Netter atlas just as easily...or I guess McMinn's b/c it seems that Dr. A has partially swayed Dr. L towards his book :roll:

[kananaskis_girl]

does SGU provide all the books and flash cards in the above list? or do we need to buy some of those in addition to what they are providing? thanks!

no, these are additional books, not on the booklist...some of them are available in the little bookstore on campus if you don't want to bring them down with you or if you want to wait to see if you need them for the course

[argazul]

thanks all for your input. So I have decided on bringing the First Aid, HY Embryology and Rapid Review Anatomy (i know, i know Chung is better but i'm trying RR out, i also have chung in e-version just in case ).

[kananaskis_girl]

is there really a need for BRS Biochem? i feel like between Mark's, Lippincott's, and the First Aid there is more than enough Biochem for the class as well as Steps.

probably if you use all of those resources you'll be just fine arga, I didn't bring FA with me until 4th term so I didn't have that resource. Barely used Lippincott's. I actually used the BRS Biochem to study for Step I, and yes, don't everyone jump on me that there are mistakes in there b/c there is in every book...I like it b/c biochem was not my favorite subject and it put everything together in a way I could understand it. Go to your local medical bookstore, look at it and see if it works for you.

I don't have access to the first term books, which Marks book is on your list?? b/c she wrote the BRS...

[kananaskis_girl]

thanks all for your input. So I have decided on bringing the First Aid, HY Embryology and Rapid Review Anatomy (i know, i know Chung is better but i'm trying RR out, i also have chung in e-version just in case ).

meh, I used RR anatomy for Step I, didn't like Chung at all!

[argazul]

probably if you use all of those resources you'll be just fine arga, I didn't bring FA with me until 4th term so I didn't have that resource. Barely used Lippincott's. I actually used the BRS Biochem to study for Step I, and yes, don't everyone jump on me that there are mistakes in there b/c there is in every book...I like it b/c biochem was not my favorite subject and it put everything together in a way I could understand it. Go to your local medical bookstore, look at it and see if it works for you.

I don't have access to the first term books, which Marks book is on your list?? b/c she wrote the BRS...

I have a good biochem background so i guess it will work out (hopefully). We are using Mark's Essential of Medical Biochem, not the BRS nor the Mark's Basic.

Did you use Mark's BRS biochem or the newer version not written by Marks?

[kananaskis_girl]

idk what im getting yet, but just to make sure, these are the correct books, right?

Netter's Anatomy Flash Cards: With STUDENT CONSULT Online Access
John T. Hansen

High-Yield™ Embryology: A Collaborative Project of Medical Students and Faculty
Ronald W. Dudek

BRS Cell Biology and Histology
Leslie Gartner, James L. Hiatt, Judy M. Strum

BRS Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Todd A. Swanson, Sandra I. Kim, Marc J. Glucksman

Gross Anatomy: Board Review Series
Kyung Won Chung, Harold M. Chung

Color Atlas of Anatomy: A Photographic Study of the Human Body
Johannes W. Rohen

like konga said, DO NOT get the BRS Cell Bio and Histo, you do not need it and it is one of the worst books out there....people complain about a few mistakes here and there in books but this one takes the cake, there's almost a mistake on every page. Check out my above posts on my opinion of Rohen, good book, but do you really need it? no

[kananaskis_girl]

I have a good biochem background so i guess it will work out (hopefully). We are using Mark's Essential of Medical Biochem, not the BRS nor the Mark's Basic.

Did you use Mark's BRS biochem or the newer version not written by Marks?

oh yeah, we used that one too, geez I used it SO much that I forgot we had it, lol nah, only use that one for reference, too much info for what you need in the course AND in medicine in general. I used the old BRS, the one by Marks, haven't checked out the newer one, I just looked at the reviews on Amazon and it doesn't look promising :( maybe check out the RR biochem in a medical bookstore if you wanted another resource, all I can say is that I liked it for bchem and it helped me through Step I for sure!

[kananaskis_girl]

ok, so y'all might want to consider checking out the RR Biochem, really good reviews on Amazon, and the rest of the RR books that I've used are fantastic!! The new BRS (not by Marks) hasn't gotten the same kind of loving...it seems like RR series is going to be overtaking the BRS series in terms of medical review sources.

[Kongakut]

The thing with Rohen is that for the powerpoint slides they use on the exams they basically take them directly from this book. Though, who knows if that will change with the new set of books they are using.

For our term, the practice exam slides were labeled by a few students and then sent out to everyone, so only a few people actually needed the Rohen book. The term before us had almost the exact slides too.

For those coming into 1st term (and if this doesn't change), Dr. L will give out 45 slides from Rohen and maybe 5 from another source to equal 50 slides (of cadaver pics) and of those, he will use 25 for the virtual practical exam. So, if you study the labeled slides, you should get most of them correct on that portion.

[BSeay-MPH]

My personal adivce...Definitely get the anatomy BRS. I used it more than the text for the class. I used class notes, BRS, Netter's flash, and the Netters Atlas.

BRS Biochem is a take it or leave it type thing. It can help, but is full of mistakes.

I liked the Netters to carry around with me when I was waiting in line for something, like my food at pearl's or glovers. It helps to really pound in the structures.

Histo, I really only used the companion, quizbank, and histo time.

Embryo, I liked the BRS because it helped to get some embryo question like what I would see on the exams. I really liked embryo, think I was the only person in my class that did. But what was said earlier is correct, you really only need to know the green boxes in "Before we are born" for the exams. Dr. L will tell you this up front.

Whatever you do .... when using any reference that is not in the required texts. Do not argue a question saying "You said this, but BRS said this". That is guaranteed to get you singled out for a talkin' to by Dr. B.

[Lateralus]

I'm planning on taking as of right now:

BRS Gross Anatomy by Chung
Netter's Flash Cards
First Aid

I was thinking of getting Rohen's since it seems a large portion of the exam photos are taken from it... but I feel that'll be too many resources for anatomy since we're already getting McMinn. If any upper termers can give me some other advice, please do so. Thanks :)

[SHAS41]

Hey DWB,

Do you need my BRS books or not? Cause there are some other 1st term students who want them. I told them that you replied first and wanted them. I have BRS Anatomy, BRS biochem, Netters anatomy flashcards, and Before we Are born embryo. I have a bunch of other stuff too... if you want I can let you know what they are. Anyways let me know ASAP!

Thanks