Nothing Has Changed!

[honest2beme]

Due to several PM’s , I will keep you up to date on what has changed at SABA since the last student/admin meeting, NOTHING has changed. The meeting went well in the sense that students communicated what the issues are at the school, and Dr. D listened to us patiently for four hours. From my understanding, this meeting took place to silence the students a bit. I hope to be proven wrong and that action WILL BE TAKEN NOW.
In the meeting, going from semester to semester serious problems were discussed. The student body clarified that problems require immediate attention/action because they have been brewing since the arrival of Dr. L and Dr. W. Students were frank about the critical issues with pathology, anatomy, histology, immunology, the student dean, communication and school policies, no checks and balances for committees/profs, unrepresentative exams, the clinical situation, the loan situation, Dr. D heard it all. These issues are taking place and they need a SOLUTION/ACTION, NONE HAS BEEN TAKEN. We have been discussing this with him for a couple of weeks now and he is well aware of EVERYTHING that is happening at SABA.
The student body presented reasons and possible solutions to current problems. However, we feel that Dr. D’s bias (bias: select few faculty members including Dr. D attend a weekly men’s club set up by Dr. L on Friday’s, how can Dr. D be unbiased if the problems involve his friends)towards some faculty members will hinder the proper decision making of an administrator in his position.
For example, the students stated VALID reasons requesting the immediate dismissal of Dr. W as the student dean, however Dr. D stood in her defense and wanted to give her a TRIAL period. Dr. W is well aware that students DON’T want her as the student DEAN. Dr. W does not have the STUDENTS best interest in mind. HER HUSBAND Dr. L IS ON the promotions COMMITTEE (PLACED THERE BY DR. D) a clear conflict of interest.
If those 2 profs had ANY respect or dignity, they would have clearly understood by now, that the STUDENTS DON’T WANT THEM HERE and they should resign and leave to another school. On a daily basis we are reminded of the SMART students (vs us) that they have taught in the past. We believe they should go back to where it is they came from. They are not good educators, Dr. L has minimal knowledge of pathology, and he taught at a Pathologist Assistant school (he has never taught MEDICAL Doctors (the SABA website claims otherwise) and furthermore he is not a physician. Dr. J is an experienced physician with a fellowship in Pathology along with years of experience of educating excellent physicians that have graduated from SABA. He prepares you well for the USMLE and furthermore as a professional with compassion and knowledge.
Dr. L and Dr. W want power and importance so desperately although it comes undeserved. Currently, Dr. W is working hard on developing a separate immunology course (so that she can become THE DIRECTOR) along with pestering the microbiology department to push Dr. W to leave his position as course director so she can take over (the Micro lab prof Y is already leaving her position). Power does not equal respect. They will not be welcomed among the students.
The local population at SABA speaks badly and does not like Dr. W and Dr. L. They have been evicted from 2 houses on the island and are now in the process of leaving to the third house due to behavior and unsanitary habits (both have been here less than a year). This is just another aspect to prove a point; they are unprofessional and are NOT GOOD PEOPLE for SABA. They should NOT be educating MEDICAL STUDENTS.
Another issue discussed at the meeting involved discouraging posts on VMD, the school doesn’t want the future students to know how bad it REALLY is so they want us to stop posting the facts. Basically, freedom of speech was discouraged on VMD with and underlying intimidation of personal repercussion/passive aggressive behavior towards the ones that do speak the truth (just another way to silence the situation). U.S./Dutch Laws are broken here and as a student at SABA you have no privacy, your computer is registered with the IT department as soon as you arrive to the island for tracking purposes and use of internet/intranet. The school wants to hide NOT SOLVE the problems and doesn’t want the world to know what is happening here. The solutions are simple, yet, NO actions have BEEN TAKEN.
My current suggestion for the future students, please rethink your decision about coming to SABA. This school is still headed on a downward slope, it will be stressful. It would be SMART for future students to postpone coming here until these problems are solved or go to another school don’t waste your money if you can’t even get past the first semester histo and ANT. NOTHING has changed at SABA. It is understood that changes can’t take place overnight; however, some things can change NOW. How can all the negative changes take place so quickly yet the positive take so much time?
Anatomy- No change has occurred. Students continue to learn the erroneous information taught by Dr. P. Dr. R has not been in to lecture the students on a regular basis. The students that desperately need a GOOD EDUCATOR with the accurate knowledge. About 30 people are failing anatomy right now, yet no positive change has taken place. Perhaps we are “trial students.”
It was a meeting to sweep the problems under the rug and hush all the students rather than face and solve the critical issues. For a heavy comparison , the lending and mortgage crisis in the states has been coming for a long time and it was known by the FDIC, yet no laws were put in place to stop predatory lending nor unqualified borrowers from borrowing money. NOW everyone suffers on a tremendous scale economically, job losses, record low stocks, and banks ARE going BANKRUPT. ONLY yesterday laws were made to STOP the predatory lending /unqualified borrower practices. These laws have come a bit late.
I hope that SABA admin can learn something from these problems and takes action to fix them soon. SABA is already seeing a decreased enrollment rate for next semester due to the unsolved problems. These are simple problems with simple solutions if personal interest is overlooked by admin. New students are withdrawing for the upcoming semester and many students here have a back-up school and/or plan if changes are not made NOW. Are the jobs of a few prof’s (3) worth all these student losses/shaky reputation? If this negligence continues, in time there will be no students left to educate and no admin to play as dictators.
TUTION boycotts for August are on the table if immediate change doesn’t occur. How will the school survive. THIS IS OUR SCHOOL AND WE WANT A GOOD MEDICAL EDUCATION, give it to us .

[tiger15lily]

I think back to my 1st year Undergrad Biomed initiation session when the program director said look at the person on your left and right and in 4 years 2/3 of you won't be graduating or even be here. OMG, we should have protested immediately, threatened to transfer, demand that the students decide who is fired and hired, the professors be replaced with those "who care" about students, we should not be expected to attend lectures with up to 600 students in a lecture theatre, we should not have to show our student photo ID card at every exam, no courses should require self-learning, etc.:rolleyes:

Let's thank darkmansaad for some insite and humour on the subject so these posts are not a total waste.

[krust3]

sounds like somebody needs to get off ValueMD and get studying;)

the cream rises to the top, backwash stays at the bottom...

[cavalletti]

Wow. I empathize with you all.

Students used to be so positive about their experience at Saba. Did these problems arise after the sale of the school?

[golfman]

Due to several PM’s , I will keep you up to date on what has changed at SABA since the last student/admin meeting, NOTHING has changed. The meeting went well in the sense that students communicated what the issues are at the school, and Dr. D listened to us patiently for four hours. From my understanding, this meeting took place to silence the students a bit. I hope to be proven wrong and that action WILL BE TAKEN NOW.
In the meeting, going from semester to semester serious problems were discussed. The student body clarified that problems require immediate attention/action because they have been brewing since the arrival of Dr. L and Dr. W. Students were frank about the critical issues with pathology, anatomy, histology, immunology, the student dean, communication and school policies, no checks and balances for committees/profs, unrepresentative exams, the clinical situation, the loan situation, Dr. D heard it all. These issues are taking place and they need a SOLUTION/ACTION, NONE HAS BEEN TAKEN. We have been discussing this with him for a couple of weeks now and he is well aware of EVERYTHING that is happening at SABA.
The student body presented reasons and possible solutions to current problems. However, we feel that Dr. D’s bias (bias: select few faculty members including Dr. D attend a weekly men’s club set up by Dr. L on Friday’s, how can Dr. D be unbiased if the problems involve his friends)towards some faculty members will hinder the proper decision making of an administrator in his position.
For example, the students stated VALID reasons requesting the immediate dismissal of Dr. W as the student dean, however Dr. D stood in her defense and wanted to give her a TRIAL period. Dr. W is well aware that students DON’T want her as the student DEAN. Dr. W does not have the STUDENTS best interest in mind. HER HUSBAND Dr. L IS ON the promotions COMMITTEE (PLACED THERE BY DR. D) a clear conflict of interest.
If those 2 profs had ANY respect or dignity, they would have clearly understood by now, that the STUDENTS DON’T WANT THEM HERE and they should resign and leave to another school. On a daily basis we are reminded of the SMART students (vs us) that they have taught in the past. We believe they should go back to where it is they came from. They are not good educators, Dr. L has minimal knowledge of pathology, and he taught at a Pathologist Assistant school (he has never taught MEDICAL Doctors (the SABA website claims otherwise) and furthermore he is not a physician. Dr. J is an experienced physician with a fellowship in Pathology along with years of experience of educating excellent physicians that have graduated from SABA. He prepares you well for the USMLE and furthermore as a professional with compassion and knowledge.
Dr. L and Dr. W want power and importance so desperately although it comes undeserved. Currently, Dr. W is working hard on developing a separate immunology course (so that she can become THE DIRECTOR) along with pestering the microbiology department to push Dr. W to leave his position as course director so she can take over (the Micro lab prof Y is already leaving her position). Power does not equal respect. They will not be welcomed among the students.
The local population at SABA speaks badly and does not like Dr. W and Dr. L. They have been evicted from 2 houses on the island and are now in the process of leaving to the third house due to behavior and unsanitary habits (both have been here less than a year). This is just another aspect to prove a point; they are unprofessional and are NOT GOOD PEOPLE for SABA. They should NOT be educating MEDICAL STUDENTS.
Another issue discussed at the meeting involved discouraging posts on VMD, the school doesn’t want the future students to know how bad it REALLY is so they want us to stop posting the facts. Basically, freedom of speech was discouraged on VMD with and underlying intimidation of personal repercussion/passive aggressive behavior towards the ones that do speak the truth (just another way to silence the situation). U.S./Dutch Laws are broken here and as a student at SABA you have no privacy, your computer is registered with the IT department as soon as you arrive to the island for tracking purposes and use of internet/intranet. The school wants to hide NOT SOLVE the problems and doesn’t want the world to know what is happening here. The solutions are simple, yet, NO actions have BEEN TAKEN.
My current suggestion for the future students, please rethink your decision about coming to SABA. This school is still headed on a downward slope, it will be stressful. It would be SMART for future students to postpone coming here until these problems are solved or go to another school don’t waste your money if you can’t even get past the first semester histo and ANT. NOTHING has changed at SABA. It is understood that changes can’t take place overnight; however, some things can change NOW. How can all the negative changes take place so quickly yet the positive take so much time?
Anatomy- No change has occurred. Students continue to learn the erroneous information taught by Dr. P. Dr. R has not been in to lecture the students on a regular basis. The students that desperately need a GOOD EDUCATOR with the accurate knowledge. About 30 people are failing anatomy right now, yet no positive change has taken place. Perhaps we are “trial students.”
It was a meeting to sweep the problems under the rug and hush all the students rather than face and solve the critical issues. For a heavy comparison , the lending and mortgage crisis in the states has been coming for a long time and it was known by the FDIC, yet no laws were put in place to stop predatory lending nor unqualified borrowers from borrowing money. NOW everyone suffers on a tremendous scale economically, job losses, record low stocks, and banks ARE going BANKRUPT. ONLY yesterday laws were made to STOP the predatory lending /unqualified borrower practices. These laws have come a bit late.
I hope that SABA admin can learn something from these problems and takes action to fix them soon. SABA is already seeing a decreased enrollment rate for next semester due to the unsolved problems. These are simple problems with simple solutions if personal interest is overlooked by admin. New students are withdrawing for the upcoming semester and many students here have a back-up school and/or plan if changes are not made NOW. Are the jobs of a few prof’s (3) worth all these student losses/shaky reputation? If this negligence continues, in time there will be no students left to educate and no admin to play as dictators.
TUTION boycotts for August are on the table if immediate change doesn’t occur. How will the school survive. THIS IS OUR SCHOOL AND WE WANT A GOOD MEDICAL EDUCATION, give it to us .

I think this is a great idea. Lets get online again and start showing our ignorance by screaming and kicking. Give it a rest guy. I'm not sure how you expect things to change overnight. I personally think that the entire feel of the school has changed alot over the past few weeks. I agree with Krust, go its better to study than spend lots of time changing the size of fonts and bolding and underlining sentences to try to start the 2nd Boston Tea Party on Saba in the past month.

[CrazyDiamond]

While it is unrealistic to expect change so soon, we should not assume that everything is well and good just because we had 2 long assemblies. Prospective students should continue to be informed about the situation here. If the admin knows that their actions will be known to thousands of potential students, they may be more likely to make decisions that benefit the students and ultimately the school.

The issues here ARE serious. Hundreds of students -the majority of the school- attended 2 marathon assemblies that lasted 3+ hours 2 days in a row. That so many medical students, very busy people, took that much time out of their days indicates the gravity of the situation as perceived by students.

As it stands right now, I would NOT recommend coming to Saba until some changes are seen. I am however hopeful that changes will be seen.

The meeting with Dr. D was long on time but short on answers:

-Still no answer on when the loan problem might be resolved. Dr. D only stated that the owners are working "tirelessly" for a solution and that they felt a solution was imminent. Of course, they have been saying this for months now.

-Dr. D stated that the highly regarded path prof who is now leaving was demoted because he refused to abide by the admin's curving policy (even though he acknowledged there is no uniform curving policy). It was pointed out by students that this professor only curved so high because a number of students would have otherwise failed mostly due to the fact that Dr. L (the prof who was fired from AUC and who is now the path course director) failed most students on the sections he taught.

-Dr. D continued to defend Dr. L, promising that he will be "in his back pocket" and he stated that he believed that students views of him would change over time. Students were skeptical of this and many students expressed their frustration with his poor teaching and his extremely difficult tests.

-While there were ZERO positive comments about Dr. L, multiple students praised Dr. J as one of the best professors they have ever had. Repeatedly students pointed out that his leaving would represent the loss of an extremely valuable asset to the students; pathology is by far the single highest yield subject for the USMLE.

-Dr. D did not indicate any intention of doing anything to retain Dr. J, stating only that "the door was open" for him; Dr. J will have to ask to return (and undoubtedly accept the terms he disagreed with that led to his resignation in the first place)

-Interestingly, while Dr. D objected to Dr. J's 19 point curve (which helped many students pass the course), he did not appear to have any problem with histology professor's multiple curves of 10+ % which still left a very large portion of the class failing. When students pointed this out, he would not explain himself, instead telling path students that 1st semester histology was not their concern and that path was not a concern of 1st semester students.

-Dr. W, the current dean of students is widely disliked by the student body and this sentiment was made clear by all the students present at the meeting. There was not a SINGLE positive comment about Dr. W (Dr. L's wife who was also dismissed from AUC). Dr. D would go as far as to say that she might not be the right person for the job but thought she still deserved a fruther trial period although in the multiple semesters she has held the post, she has an extremely low approval rating among the students.

In summary, the students got VERY FEW concrete answers. I'll give credit where it's due to Dr. D for standing in front of hundreds of disgruntled students and taking their questions, but the fact remains that he did not do a good job to assure students that the school is headed in the right direction.

One moment sums up the evening best: a student asked Dr. D, "will there be changes? Should I recommend that my friends come here?"

Dr. D responded with something to the effect of "You should tell your friends to come here.....there will be changes, but I can't promise the all the changes you would like, but I will look into the issues and see what I can do." There was no indication of what kind of changes we might expect or any kind of timeframe for these changes.

The bottom line: the admin has given only a vauge promise that changes will happen, but we have no idea what kind of changes to expect and when we might see changes.

[JeebusLives]

Its been like a week. What could they have done to appease you? Fire half their faculty and rehire all the good profs leaving by offering them a raise? You have to wait and see what happens by the end of this semester and beginning of next semester policy-wise.

[buddababa]

Saba finally got loans, so instead of complaining, we should be thankful and just patiently wait. Nothing can change overnight--changes occur step by step. Now that we finally got the loan situation resolved, I'm sure all the necessary changes will occur in due time.

[golfman]

While it is unrealistic to expect change so soon, we should not assume that everything is well and good just because we had 2 long assemblies. Prospective students should continue to be informed about the situation here. If the admin knows that their actions will be known to thousands of potential students, they may be more likely to make decisions that benefit the students and ultimately the school.

The issues here ARE serious. Hundreds of students -the majority of the school- attended 2 marathon assemblies that lasted 3+ hours 2 days in a row. That so many medical students, very busy people, took that much time out of their days indicates the gravity of the situation as perceived by students.

As it stands right now, I would NOT recommend coming to Saba until some changes are seen. I am however hopeful that changes will be seen.

The meeting with Dr. D was long on time but short on answers:

-Still no answer on when the loan problem might be resolved. Dr. D only stated that the owners are working "tirelessly" for a solution and that they felt a solution was imminent. Of course, they have been saying this for months now.

-Dr. D stated that the highly regarded path prof who is now leaving was demoted because he refused to abide by the admin's curving policy (even though he acknowledged there is no uniform curving policy). It was pointed out by students that this professor only curved so high because a number of students would have otherwise failed mostly due to the fact that Dr. L (the prof who was fired from AUC and who is now the path course director) failed most students on the sections he taught.

-Dr. D continued to defend Dr. L, promising that he will be "in his back pocket" and he stated that he believed that students views of him would change over time. Students were skeptical of this and many students expressed their frustration with his poor teaching and his extremely difficult tests.

-While there were ZERO positive comments about Dr. L, multiple students praised Dr. J as one of the best professors they have ever had. Repeatedly students pointed out that his leaving would represent the loss of an extremely valuable asset to the students; pathology is by far the single highest yield subject for the USMLE.

-Dr. D did not indicate any intention of doing anything to retain Dr. J, stating only that "the door was open" for him; Dr. J will have to ask to return (and undoubtedly accept the terms he disagreed with that led to his resignation in the first place)

-Interestingly, while Dr. D objected to Dr. J's 19 point curve (which helped many students pass the course), he did not appear to have any problem with histology professor's multiple curves of 10+ % which still left a very large portion of the class failing. When students pointed this out, he would not explain himself, instead telling path students that 1st semester histology was not their concern and that path was not a concern of 1st semester students.

-Dr. W, the current dean of students is widely disliked by the student body and this sentiment was made clear by all the students present at the meeting. There was not a SINGLE positive comment about Dr. W (Dr. L's wife who was also dismissed from AUC). Dr. D would go as far as to say that she might not be the right person for the job but thought she still deserved a fruther trial period although in the multiple semesters she has held the post, she has an extremely low approval rating among the students.

In summary, the students got VERY FEW concrete answers. I'll give credit where it's due to Dr. D for standing in front of hundreds of disgruntled students and taking their questions, but the fact remains that he did not do a good job to assure students that the school is headed in the right direction.

One moment sums up the evening best: a student asked Dr. D, "will there be changes? Should I recommend that my friends come here?"

Dr. D responded with something to the effect of "You should tell your friends to come here.....there will be changes, but I can't promise the all the changes you would like, but I will look into the issues and see what I can do." There was no indication of what kind of changes we might expect or any kind of timeframe for these changes.

The bottom line: the admin has given only a vauge promise that changes will happen, but we have no idea what kind of changes to expect and when we might see changes.

Go study or write it in your blog.

[darkmansaad]

Im glad people are finally seeing the light without me needing to get further infractions. Crush das herb!

[JeebusLives]

seeing the light involved dr. d having a 4 hour long open forum meeting with the students and promising us anything we wanted, lol.

[icesage]

Give admin a chance to work. They are like any other bureaucracy...they will take their sweet time. Do not expect overnight change. Even if there is no change, at least admin cannot say we did not bring up any issues. I think we should let the matter rest for now and concentrate on studying and finishing off this semester successfully. The ball is in admin's court. Based only on their actions (which may take some time to implement) can we determine if they are sincere or if the meeting was just a stall tactic on their part.

[Experienced]

Wah wah wah, I'm all gansta, fite the power, blah blah blah

The dean spent 4 hours listening to concerns and complaints and fully intends to take action on those that are deemed legitimate by himself and the other grownups who run this school. Will the overwrought get everything they want? Of course not. Were those who bravely and professionally expressed their concerns listened to and heard? Absolutely. It's been one week since the meeting and you will see changes, when the time comes.

This is an EXCELLENT medical school that has produced hundreds of first class physicians who are well known among their colleagues for being outstanding and hard working. There are excellent M.D. candidates who as we speak are working hard in their clinical rotations to continue the fine reputation SUSOM has among hosting sites. We have an outstanding and enviable record among Caribbean medical schools for attaining choice residencies. Several Canadian sites now accept IMGs from Saba when that was unheard of only 5 years ago. You should fall on your knees and thank whichever Higher Power you choose that you are affiliated with this fine school.

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[darkday]

Im glad people are finally seeing the light without me needing to get further infractions. Crush das herb!

Darkmansaad, the only comments you should be making should be about what is happening in clinicals.

Your comments on the school on the island no longer apply. You are one of the grandpas. The ones who go "when I went to Saba, blah blah blah" when you went to a different school, owned by different owners, and had different professors. Come back and and try to see the school as it is now and you won't recognize it.

This change is permanent for better or worse. Our only saving grace is that we're now going to be in clinicals and we can leave this mess behind.

Some of the grandpas out there admit that they would not have done as well in their path to becoming physicians if they had these new professors.

[darkmansaad]

Are you high? you created an account specifically to flame on a certain topic and you are questioning my right to say something? Especially when I am always right?

Rotations are even more mentally challenging if not academically than basic sci (especially if you end up in a bad one where you dont learn much or do much) so if your mindset is crying right now get ready for a world of hurt. And good luck complaining later. I am trying to give you the big picture, you are focusing on stupid stuff like block exams. Acing your block 4 histo/micro/immuno/path exam is not going to get you that sick residency you want which is your end goal after saba. And if your content with just settling for some average IMG sweatshop program #1 your opinion officially stopped mattering as the only people on this forum should be those who encourage excellence in everything not mediocrity and #2 you will get pwned even harder during ur ghetto img residency and you will have no one to cry to as you work 140 hour weeks on Q3 call making 40k a year aka less money than someone flipping burgers at mcdonalds. But you will probably post on Valuemd about it or create a new account name like "myresidencysucksbutallicandoiscryontheinternet." Dont talk about stuff you have zero idea or foresight about. You've been pwned, create a new sn and argue with me


Dont start nothing wont be nothing

[CrazyDiamond]

People can try and dismiss it all they like (we know admin checks these forums and it's likely that some of them have accounts and post here too), but the fact of the matter is that the majority of the students taking basic science courses on the island right now do have some serious concerns about the school. Otherwise why would they take 6+ hours out of their busy schedules to attend meetings after spending up to 8 hours in class just before?

Yeah, I know that Saba is a for-profit school, yeah I know it's a second chance school, yeah I know that clinicals, residencies etc. are going to be very challenging. That does not mean that these developments taking place at the school shouldn't concern the students. Maybe the school will do as it pleases and won't give a flying you know what about the students' concerns......that's their right as a privately owned company. But they should know that if the quality of their product drops, people will be informed (for the most part, these forums do provide a fairly accurate reflection of the school).

I am hopeful that the admin will implement changes as promised by the dean, but let's not be pollyannas and assume that everything is going to be fine just because someone said so. Let's wait and see what changes happen with a healthy dose of skepticism. In the meantime, people will continue to be informed about the situation here.

[krust3]

Darkman is bringin' da thunda!!! :twisted:

[mamashi]

Dr. S of Histology seems to have come to his senses for some reason finally! We are very thankful of that but sadly MANY people have already left the school or have dropped anatomy to focus on Histology!

Can you imagine being the first semester student coming up in September and see that there are nearly 15 people taking Anatomy again!!!

I think something needs to be done such as really looking into the unfair % curves that was given to the first three exams which made no sense at all and maybe that way some Deserving People can pass the course that is not even covered extensively in USLME!

Another thing that has change was Dr. S of Histology's office hours which were created as a result and is scheduled at the same time as we have Anatomy which makes no sense either.

Anatomy has not changed and Dr. P is still lecturing and we are still not learning from him. He actually tells us not to worry about structures that actually showed up on his OWN exams! makes no sense why we should have him teaching while studying Dr. R's notes. Instead why did we not have Dr. R teach us and Dr. P to help out in the lab!! I don't know what has changed overall but Histo exam seems to be the only thing that changed for semester 1

[icesage]

mamashi, give Dr. P sometime!!! I think you are being extremely unfair. How can you criticize him in this manner? After all, he is coming up with novel structures such as the 13th Cranial nerve in the human cadaver. Up until now, the 13th cranial nerve was believed to have existed in only lower animals. You have to get used to his teaching methods, after all he is the course director. If admin feels that a man (Dr. P) who has never dissected a human cadaver prior to teaching at SABA should be course director of Anatomy and teaching more lectures than one (Dr. R) who has had decades of experience and was instrumental in developing word documents that scores of SABA students have used to get them through the anatomy course, then you just have to accept this! Stop complaining!!!

Anatomy has not changed and Dr. P is still lecturing and we are still not learning from him. He actually tells us not to worry about structures that actually showed up on his OWN exams! makes no sense why we should have him teaching while studying Dr. R's notes. Instead why did we not have Dr. R teach us and Dr. P to help out in the lab!! I don't know what has changed overall but Histo exam seems to be the only thing that changed for semester 1

[gianefiasco]

sounds like somebody needs to get off ValueMD and get studying;)

the cream rises to the top, backwash stays at the bottom...

agreed!

Dr.L is the man. I owe at least 50% of my USMLE score to his High yield tests and lectures.

If his tests are hard, study harder.

[gianefiasco]

Are you high? you created an account specifically to flame on a certain topic and you are questioning my right to say something? Especially when I am always right?

Rotations are even more mentally challenging if not academically than basic sci (especially if you end up in a bad one where you dont learn much or do much) so if your mindset is crying right now get ready for a world of hurt. And good luck complaining later. I am trying to give you the big picture, you are focusing on stupid stuff like block exams. Acing your block 4 histo/micro/immuno/path exam is not going to get you that sick residency you want which is your end goal after saba. And if your content with just settling for some average IMG sweatshop program #1 your opinion officially stopped mattering as the only people on this forum should be those who encourage excellence in everything not mediocrity and #2 you will get pwned even harder during ur ghetto img residency and you will have no one to cry to as you work 140 hour weeks on Q3 call making 40k a year aka less money than someone flipping burgers at mcdonalds. But you will probably post on Valuemd about it or create a new account name like "myresidencysucksbutallicandoiscryontheinternet." Dont talk about stuff you have zero idea or foresight about. You've been pwned, create a new sn and argue with me


Dont start nothing wont be nothing

OMG official PWN 2008 thread of the year winner. Congratulations WOW...LOL.....hahaah im speechless