Selfish-Squatters BEWARE!

[Saberrattler]

While I'm not a squatter myself or condone the practice, I do understand the reasons why people do it and have accepted it as the Ross culture.

But now I'm just sick and tired of you squatters who take up an extra study space to store your books/lamp/food/etc at the library cubicles - especially the week before exams -and especially when study space is limited on campus. Seriously, why can't you use ONE cubicle and leave the crap you don't need right then in your locker?! Here's a crazy thought for you selfish morons, let HUMAN BEINGS use the freaking study space! How's that?

I came into the cubicle room earlier this week and found a guy sitting on one chair and resting his legs on another chair!! A girl on the same day was using a chair for her backpack to sit on. After circling the room a few times and realizing that all the cubicles were filled (w/ missing chairs), I just about had it. Sorry to say but I was on the verge of doing a drop-kick on some folks.

We're all adults here so I don't think I need to go up to anyone and remind them of basic manners and courtesy.

But here's a notice for all you selfish (with emphasis on SELFISH) squatters...if I see it...I'm gonna grab your things and turn them over to the front desk. Go to authorities and complain if you want. I'm going to do non-squatters and regular squatters a favor.

Goodluck to you all in the upcoming Mini.

Sabe

[jabee_usm]

"Squatters!" That's what u call them, huh? I bet that is aggravating! You should just walk up to them and ask for the extra chair!:) They might just give it to u.

[summerwind]

They could make up some very amusing "No Squatting" signs for the library.

[Mustango]

its mostly 3rd & 4th who squat since they are use to the period when squating was allowed. Once they are gone, things should be better.

[dingaling]

If you see someone using a desk for books, ask them if you can use it. If you see someone using an extra chair, ask them if you can use it. If they say no, then it's an issue. But i guarantee you no one will. Stop being such a baby... and instead of whining about it and threatening to drop kick this and that, grow a back bone and learn to talk to people. upper semesters such as 3rd and 4th do it because 99% of the time, you can easily find a seat in the cubes, and 99% of the time, the seat next to you IS EMPTY. So it's not a big deal to put some extra books there and if someone needs it, we're more than happy to move them. I don't want this to turn into a upper vs lower semester thing, but apparently, you do. Most of you flake around for the whole semester and when you finally want to come and study the week before the mini, you think everything should be ready and waiting while most of us upper semesters study there every day including weekends when the cubicles are like a ghost town and its not uncommon that half the cube is empty. I dont mean to insult you in any way, but use common sense. Instead of grunting about it, ask the person if you can use the seat. is it really that hard? I've learned to cope with the cubicles, and I've never had a problem. Don't confront... talk. It's not that hard. You'll learn that everyone here is relatively nice. But if you take their stuff and give it to the front desk, this will start and unending cycle of retaliation. If you're 1st sem, you have more important things to worry about... LIKE PASSING FIRST.

[kryptik]

....ownage

[jabee_usm]

If you see someone using a desk for books, ask them if you can use it. If you see someone using an extra chair, ask them if you can use it. If they say no, then it's an issue. But i guarantee you no one will. Stop being such a baby... and instead of whining about it and threatening to drop kick this and that, grow a back bone and learn to talk to people. upper semesters such as 3rd and 4th do it because 99% of the time, you can easily find a seat in the cubes, and 99% of the time, the seat next to you IS EMPTY. So it's not a big deal to put some extra books there and if someone needs it, we're more than happy to move them. I don't want this to turn into a upper vs lower semester thing, but apparently, you do. Most of you flake around for the whole semester and when you finally want to come and study the week before the mini, you think everything should be ready and waiting while most of us upper semesters study there every day including weekends when the cubicles are like a ghost town and its not uncommon that half the cube is empty. I dont mean to insult you in any way, but use common sense. Instead of grunting about it, ask the person if you can use the seat. is it really that hard? I've learned to cope with the cubicles, and I've never had a problem. Don't confront... talk. It's not that hard. You'll learn that everyone here is relatively nice. But if you take their stuff and give it to the front desk, this will start and unending cycle of retaliation. If you're 1st sem, you have more important things to worry about... LIKE PASSING FIRST.

Ouch! This may leave a mark!:bored:

[DrVinsk]

Ok. I've heard so much of this crying about study space that I want a good explanation. Why can't you people study at YOUR APARTMENT? I don't want to hear....there's tv....music.....food.....I can't make myself study at home. If you don't have the ability to study in your own apartment then I can't see how you can possibly adapt to the field of medicine which requires so much sacrifice on your part. If you have a family there I can see how being at home might be difficult for studying but that hardly describes the majority of you. Seriously, don't you see how silly you're being? You have a place at home where NO ONE can take your spot...disturb you..and you can use all the room you want. Hell, you can study buck naked if you want. Please explain to me why studying on that dismal campus is so appealing?

[Saberrattler]

If you see someone using a desk for books, ask them if you can use it. If you see someone using an extra chair, ask them if you can use it. If they say no, then it's an issue. But i guarantee you no one will. Stop being such a baby... and instead of whining about it and threatening to drop kick this and that, grow a back bone and learn to talk to people. upper semesters such as 3rd and 4th do it because 99% of the time, you can easily find a seat in the cubes, and 99% of the time, the seat next to you IS EMPTY. So it's not a big deal to put some extra books there and if someone needs it, we're more than happy to move them. I don't want this to turn into a upper vs lower semester thing, but apparently, you do. Most of you flake around for the whole semester and when you finally want to come and study the week before the mini, you think everything should be ready and waiting while most of us upper semesters study there every day including weekends when the cubicles are like a ghost town and its not uncommon that half the cube is empty. I dont mean to insult you in any way, but use common sense. Instead of grunting about it, ask the person if you can use the seat. is it really that hard? I've learned to cope with the cubicles, and I've never had a problem. Don't confront... talk. It's not that hard. You'll learn that everyone here is relatively nice. But if you take their stuff and give it to the front desk, this will start and unending cycle of retaliation. If you're 1st sem, you have more important things to worry about... LIKE PASSING FIRST.

LOL....it's always hilarious when a 3rd or 4th semester studentat a Caribbean medical school talks down to a lower semester student - as if he/she has accomplished some extraordinary feat and is entitled to tell others what they can or cannot whine about :bored:.

Before you pass judgement on anyone and assume that 1) I'm a lower semester student, and 2) that most lower semester students are slackers, let me remind you that the both of us are here because we're U.S./Canadian/UK med school REJECTS. The bottom line is...you were/are as academically deficient as I was. Keep it real Dingaling.

Soooo -- before you reply to tell us that I'm wrong and that you chose Ross U. over Johns Hopkins -- please consider that our student body is diverse. We have: rude people who hog up space and shouldn't even have to be asked to move things (especially during peak hours) PLUS we have a lot of shy, non-confrontational, or busy people who just wants to go in and study. Why must they go thru the trouble of even having to tell someone to move their things?

But thanks anyway for dispensing your wise advice and managing to insult 'lower semester' students (even tho I made no mention of a specific semester contributing to the problem). I'm confident that your awesome Caribbean credentials will stand out during the matching process because you graduated from Ross a semester or two ahead of others.

Sabe

[drnate]

Ok. I've heard so much of this crying about study space that I want a good explanation. Why can't you people study at YOUR APARTMENT? I don't want to hear....there's tv....music.....food.....I can't make myself study at home. If you don't have the ability to study in your own apartment then I can't see how you can possibly adapt to the field of medicine which requires so much sacrifice on your part. If you have a family there I can see how being at home might be difficult for studying but that hardly describes the majority of you. Seriously, don't you see how silly you're being? You have a place at home where NO ONE can take your spot...disturb you..and you can use all the room you want. Hell, you can study buck naked if you want. Please explain to me why studying on that dismal campus is so appealing?

Uhhh......are you a student here or have ever lived here? I'll give you 4 good reasons why I can't study in my apartment:

1. It's hot and humid as hell here. I can't afford to buy electricity to run my AC for hours on end.
2. Mediasite - I'm not a member of the ultra-elite PACE society.
3. Non-stop noise from apartment construction next door and roaming, sickly cows.
4. Mosquitos love me and my apartment -- which is why I can't study buck naked.

There are probably hundreds of more reasons. But then you'll have to ask the hundreds of people that study on campus to give them to you.

We're halfway thru the semester. Hurray!!!!!!!!!!!!

N

[Closter]

Lock, warn, infraction, ban

[dingaling]

LOL....it's always hilarious when a 3rd or 4th semester studentat a Caribbean medical school talks down to a lower semester student - as if he/she has accomplished some extraordinary feat and is entitled to tell others what they can or cannot whine about :bored:.

Before you pass judgement on anyone and assume that 1) I'm a lower semester student, and 2) that most lower semester students are slackers, let me remind you that the both of us are here because we're U.S./Canadian/UK med school REJECTS. The bottom line is...you were/are as academically deficient as I was. Keep it real Dingaling.

Soooo -- before you reply to tell us that I'm wrong and that you chose Ross U. over Johns Hopkins -- please consider that our student body is diverse. We have: rude people who hog up space and shouldn't even have to be asked to move things (especially during peak hours) PLUS we have a lot of shy, non-confrontational, or busy people who just wants to go in and study. Why must they go thru the trouble of even having to tell someone to move their things?

But thanks anyway for dispensing your wise advice and managing to insult 'lower semester' students (even tho I made no mention of a specific semester contributing to the problem). I'm confident that your awesome Caribbean credentials will stand out during the matching process because you graduated from Ross a semester or two ahead of others.

Sabe


Since your reply made no sense and applied to ABSOLUTELY nothing that I said... I'll just take into account that you're standing outside somewhere holding ur laptop in one hand typing away because you were too shy to ask for a seat. Thus, you were unable to apply your high scoring verbal mcat reading comprehension skills effectively.
No where did I say I was more accomplished... but.... well... DUH! I AM more accomplished by being in an upper semester than by being in a lower semester. Its a COMMON SENSE thing, not a "I'm better than you" thing. I am where you want to be right? And last time I checked, one does not REGRESS by passing to the next semester. Does this give me the right to tell people what they can whine about? No, but I didnt say that to begin with. I just said INSTEAD of whining, you could use your inside voice and ask for a seat instead of making it into an even BIGGER problem by messing with someone's stuff or how you say "doing a drop-kick on some folks". I defy anyone to tell me when if someone was using their feet for a chair that no one was using at the time, and when a person asked for the chair, they said... "sorry, can't you see my feet are using it... stupid 1st semester".
Also, no where did I say or even imply that Ross is better or equal to Hopkins. I believe you just made that up all by yourself. So you keep it real, you saberrattling rebel you. These shy, non-confrontational people need to get diagnosed with an axiety disorder of some sort, because if they can't ask their fellow classmates for a chair, well...... i guess they could come and complain about it on valuemd. Win win I guess. Hope they destroy the steps and get into radiology and never ever ever have to deal with a patient... ever.
From the tone of your post, it is obvious you have a very low opinion of your fellow Rossies. I'm sorry this is the case. We should just not mess with empty seats in hopes that someone will please sit in them. "should i put my book on this desk? but what if someone sits there? ... 5 hrs later.... any second now... 1 more second...". Please, do yourself a favor. If you need a desk and someone is using it for books. Just ask! I realize it may be a hassle to you... but just suck it up and do it. You'll be a better person for it and the whole time you're studying there, just think in your head what a horrible, selfish person the guy was for forcing you to ask... and then let it go.
btw... the comment about me thinking that my "awesome Caribbean credentials will stand out during the matching process because you graduated from Ross a semester or two ahead of others." I'll just pretend that made sense... at least in your head.... and leave it at that.

[Mustango]

I dont think saberrattle is afraid to ask, its after asking that is annoying.

You get either the rolling eyes, or the "jeesh, you're annoying" blowing.

I study in classroom 1, and all the seats in the back are squatted. kinda annoying, since sometimes they just start at my computer screen from behind me. But w/e, I'm a 2nd (I'm more "accomplished") so I'm use to it. The cleaning staff is just too lazy to move their stuff away, that's basically it.

[DrVinsk]

To the sizzle chest that asked if I've been there......yeah. I was there and lived 12 months without an A/C. I lived with an A/C my 4th semester..I had less money than you and didn't have a problem paying for A/C...and I didn't go to class.

Too Hot? Toughen up kiddo.
Noisy: Crazy thing called ear plugs/headphones
Mosquitoes? Screen your windows...I never had a problem and I lived in the ghettos of Portsmouth.
I'd like to hear your 'hundreds of reasons'. You're just being a wimp. Face it. Something as important as studying shouldn't be hindered by such silly excuses.

[Sideswipe]

If you see someone using a desk for books, ask them if you can use it. If you see someone using an extra chair, ask them if you can use it. If they say no, then it's an issue. But i guarantee you no one will. Stop being such a baby... and instead of whining about it and threatening to drop kick this and that, grow a back bone and learn to talk to people. upper semesters such as 3rd and 4th do it because 99% of the time, you can easily find a seat in the cubes, and 99% of the time, the seat next to you IS EMPTY. So it's not a big deal to put some extra books there and if someone needs it, we're more than happy to move them. I don't want this to turn into a upper vs lower semester thing, but apparently, you do. Most of you flake around for the whole semester and when you finally want to come and study the week before the mini, you think everything should be ready and waiting while most of us upper semesters study there every day including weekends when the cubicles are like a ghost town and its not uncommon that half the cube is empty. I dont mean to insult you in any way, but use common sense. Instead of grunting about it, ask the person if you can use the seat. is it really that hard? I've learned to cope with the cubicles, and I've never had a problem. Don't confront... talk. It's not that hard. You'll learn that everyone here is relatively nice. But if you take their stuff and give it to the front desk, this will start and unending cycle of retaliation. If you're 1st sem, you have more important things to worry about... LIKE PASSING FIRST.

You make it sound much easier than it is. If it the way you said it, there would be no problem at all. However, the reason why squatting works is because it preys on the conscience of more higher minded people. Squatters squat because they know they will get away with it. No one wants to be the "bad guy" that comes in and takes a spot. Its along the same lines as a tattle tale. Is telling on the person who cause the problem bad - no. But no one is going to tattle-tale because thats just the way society is. Or telling a person who cuts in line to talk to a friend. Is it right? No. Are there many other people that have been patiently waiting their turn? Yes. Its the same type of dilemma with squatting.

I personally HAVE had instances where I've moved other people's stuff and had them give me the evil eye. As if I did something wrong. They were in the wrong, but had the gall to think like I was somehow the bad guy. Like a thief having his stuff taken back by their rightful owner. The thief has no right to act like he was somehow abused.

I've had a girl confront me when I moved her stuff to another table. She was saving the spot for a friend, but there were no other spots near any outlets for me. So when I moved her stuff, she came and confronted me like I did something wrong. Then, when I went away, she almost took my stuff and trashed it. Luckily, one of my friends was studying nearby and prevented her.

Ross is gonna get in a lot of hot water one day when two very belligerent students confront each other over squatting. I knew a guy in First who flat out stated that if a squatter ever got in his face "he'd bust their face open". There was no joking to it either, this guy was DEAD serious. Just a matter of time till Ross starts enforcing their supposed "no squatting" policy after a really bad episode breaks out.

I personally think they should give squatters "professionalism" cards. I think it will be very hard for these people to adjust back to civilization where crap like this isn't tolerated. Leave your stuff at the library anywhere in the US and its cleared out the next day.

And to the person who said that its only 4th semesters or upper classmen, our class was the same as yours when we got to the island. We were as shocked as you all are at the squatters. But eventually, the people here devolved and started squatting themselves. This is going to happen with your semesters too. The most selfish people in your class are going to start squatting soon - watch...

[Sideswipe]

Since your reply made no sense and applied to ABSOLUTELY nothing that I said... I'll just take into account that you're standing outside somewhere holding ur laptop in one hand typing away because you were too shy to ask for a seat. Thus, you were unable to apply your high scoring verbal mcat reading comprehension skills effectively.
No where did I say I was more accomplished... but.... well... DUH! I AM more accomplished by being in an upper semester than by being in a lower semester. Its a COMMON SENSE thing, not a "I'm better than you" thing. I am where you want to be right? And last time I checked, one does not REGRESS by passing to the next semester. Does this give me the right to tell people what they can whine about? No, but I didnt say that to begin with. I just said INSTEAD of whining, you could use your inside voice and ask for a seat instead of making it into an even BIGGER problem by messing with someone's stuff or how you say "doing a drop-kick on some folks". I defy anyone to tell me when if someone was using their feet for a chair that no one was using at the time, and when a person asked for the chair, they said... "sorry, can't you see my feet are using it... stupid 1st semester".
Also, no where did I say or even imply that Ross is better or equal to Hopkins. I believe you just made that up all by yourself. So you keep it real, you saberrattling rebel you. These shy, non-confrontational people need to get diagnosed with an axiety disorder of some sort, because if they can't ask their fellow classmates for a chair, well...... i guess they could come and complain about it on valuemd. Win win I guess. Hope they destroy the steps and get into radiology and never ever ever have to deal with a patient... ever.
From the tone of your post, it is obvious you have a very low opinion of your fellow Rossies. I'm sorry this is the case. We should just not mess with empty seats in hopes that someone will please sit in them. "should i put my book on this desk? but what if someone sits there? ... 5 hrs later.... any second now... 1 more second...". Please, do yourself a favor. If you need a desk and someone is using it for books. Just ask! I realize it may be a hassle to you... but just suck it up and do it. You'll be a better person for it and the whole time you're studying there, just think in your head what a horrible, selfish person the guy was for forcing you to ask... and then let it go.
btw... the comment about me thinking that my "awesome Caribbean credentials will stand out during the matching process because you graduated from Ross a semester or two ahead of others." I'll just pretend that made sense... at least in your head.... and leave it at that.

Lol, Dingaling got pwned! Your arguments are nonsensical. What in the world? Just because you are a higher semester doesn't mean you are higher semester doesn't make you more accomplished. If you really want to start comparing yourself, why don't you compare your GPA with others? Just because you're a few steps ahead doesn't make you more accomplished.

[Sideswipe]

Ok. I've heard so much of this crying about study space that I want a good explanation. Why can't you people study at YOUR APARTMENT? I don't want to hear....there's tv....music.....food.....I can't make myself study at home. If you don't have the ability to study in your own apartment then I can't see how you can possibly adapt to the field of medicine which requires so much sacrifice on your part. If you have a family there I can see how being at home might be difficult for studying but that hardly describes the majority of you. Seriously, don't you see how silly you're being? You have a place at home where NO ONE can take your spot...disturb you..and you can use all the room you want. Hell, you can study buck naked if you want. Please explain to me why studying on that dismal campus is so appealing?

I only read your first 3 sentences. But already you come off as a blowhard. You ask a question. But then go on to state, but don't give me Reasons, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5! Um, why are those reasons not valid whatever they may be? Who are you to tell anyone else if their reason is valid or not?

[DrVinsk]

Sideswiped....read carefully. Obvioulsy these people are making this squatting issue to sound like it's very disturbing to them. I am simply saying that having a place all to oneself seems like a pretty simple solution to this huge problem. Being too hot at home, mosquitos...blah,blah,blah seems a bit melodramatic...don't you think. If there was no choice other than school then I could see the complaint being legitimate. If these people are attending class, then they don't have to run the A/C all day. Don't you think studying at home is a reasonable solution? I admit, I was a Navy Seal before Ross so I might sound like a blowhard...I apologize for that. However, it doesn't take Seal training to toughen ones skin a bit.

[dingaling]

When I got here, there was old school squatting, with a lot less available study spaces, and the same number of students... and we lived through it. Now there are more study places than ever before with the swing open. There are exceptions to every rule. There are some jerks out there. But what I'm saying is that the overwhelming majority of people just use the desk next to them or an extra chair because after sitting there for hours upon hours, no one is using it. If someone wants to use it, the OVERWHELMING majority of people will give way. It just seems to be crazy to get mad over this because 99% of the time... the cubes are relatively empty. This may change during the few days before minis, but in such a case, you have to go SLIGHTLY out of your way and ask for a desk. Ask a friendly looking person, and if they give you an evil eye, so what? let them give you an evil eye, you got a spot to study though right? and stuff like this happens in the good ole US too. Any setting where there are students studying more than not. Go to any 24 hour law school library or med school. They are not taking they stuff with them when they go to lunch, or dinner, or anything. We students need to learn to conform a little. Be a little flexible. Everything will not be to your ideal standards. And to the person that will beat someone up over this, i'm sorry... but they are too unstable to be here. That is insanity. Oh.. btw... I only study in the cubes 3 times a week when I go in after lunch (peak time)... and i've NEVER found a problem finding a spot. I just ask politely if no one is sitting there, if I may. Don't act all pissed off. And if they say someone is already sitting there, just go "ok thanks", and try again. Its a tough life, i know, but there are worse things. Then again, maybe I'm just a tattle tale.... and that's all i have to say about that. Don't get mad over trivial things. Keep your eye on the ball... goodnight

[syntrik]

There's still no mediasite usage at home (unless you're one of the selected few PACE), no ease of access to reference books. The library and all other spaces are there to facilitate studying, not to mention it's stated many times in regulations that squatting is NOT permitted. There have been several e-mails from the library staff constantly trying to reinforce this. It should not have to be anyones responsibility to go study at home, or to ask someone else to use a space/chair. People should be following the rules. Squatters don't pay any more money to attend Ross then I do, so why do they have 'reserved' seating not only on what they claim as their space, but extra areas as well. Even then asking works most of the time, but I have had people that will get self-richeous when you want to use one of the FOUR spots they are storing their entire life on. THe chair is by far the funniest one, no you can't use my chair - that's where my backpack goes! Get real, put your backpack on the floor - keep your stuff in one space, if you're leaving for a significant amount of time take your crap with you.

[rokshana]

I came into the cubicle room earlier this week and found a guy sitting on one chair and resting his legs on another chair!! A girl on the same day was using a chair for her backpack to sit on. After circling the room a few times and realizing that all the cubicles were filled (w/ missing chairs), I just about had it. Sorry to say but I was on the verge of doing a drop-kick on some folks.


did it maybe cross your mind to maybe, i dunno, ask one of them for the chair?? they probably weren't being used when they came into study and just used it...

i knw exams are stressful and all, but common sense, man, use some common sense!!

[drnate]

To the sizzle chest that asked if I've been there......yeah. I was there and lived 12 months without an A/C. I lived with an A/C my 4th semester..I had less money than you and didn't have a problem paying for A/C...and I didn't go to class.

Too Hot? Toughen up kiddo.
Noisy: Crazy thing called ear plugs/headphones
Mosquitoes? Screen your windows...I never had a problem and I lived in the ghettos of Portsmouth.
I'd like to hear your 'hundreds of reasons'. You're just being a wimp. Face it. Something as important as studying shouldn't be hindered by such silly excuses.

Yeah yeah....you probably drank your own urine to stay hydrated or studied underneath the faint moonlight (when they shut the water or electricity off).....I've heard it all.

Ok 'ghetto supasta'...you win...I'm a wimp.

Btw, shouldn't you be saving people's lives rather than posting comments to glorify your miserable time here or belittling current students? Make us proud and be a role model for the rest of us!

Nate

[Sideswipe]

When I got here, there was old school squatting, with a lot less available study spaces, and the same number of students... and we lived through it. Now there are more study places than ever before with the swing open. There are exceptions to every rule. There are some jerks out there. But what I'm saying is that the overwhelming majority of people just use the desk next to them or an extra chair because after sitting there for hours upon hours, no one is using it. If someone wants to use it, the OVERWHELMING majority of people will give way. It just seems to be crazy to get mad over this because 99% of the time... the cubes are relatively empty. This may change during the few days before minis, but in such a case, you have to go SLIGHTLY out of your way and ask for a desk. Ask a friendly looking person, and if they give you an evil eye, so what? let them give you an evil eye, you got a spot to study though right? and stuff like this happens in the good ole US too. Any setting where there are students studying more than not. Go to any 24 hour law school library or med school. They are not taking they stuff with them when they go to lunch, or dinner, or anything. We students need to learn to conform a little. Be a little flexible. Everything will not be to your ideal standards. And to the person that will beat someone up over this, i'm sorry... but they are too unstable to be here. That is insanity. Oh.. btw... I only study in the cubes 3 times a week when I go in after lunch (peak time)... and i've NEVER found a problem finding a spot. I just ask politely if no one is sitting there, if I may. Don't act all pissed off. And if they say someone is already sitting there, just go "ok thanks", and try again. Its a tough life, i know, but there are worse things. Then again, maybe I'm just a tattle tale.... and that's all i have to say about that. Don't get mad over trivial things. Keep your eye on the ball... goodnight

I am assuming you squat somewhat since you identified yourself as "we" and seemed to group yourself with the squatters. Its not as easy as you think. The people who do squat are already the selfish type of personality. For a person to squat, they must think they are somehow more entitled to that spot than anyone else or are simply so callous or self absorbed that they aren't conscientous about others. This is the type of individual you are asking people to say "is that your stuff?". How many of these selfish people do you think would really say, "oh yeah, let me move that for you"? No, they will shrug their shoulder and pretend to study again hoping you go away.

I have been here 4 semesters and have seen it all when it comes to squatting. There are people in the Barn who used to make their own little "forts", for lack of a better word. They would think of the study area as their own PERSONAL space and arrange the desks and cubbies in whatever configuration they wanted. I saw one guy who had taken 4 extremely large desks and made them into a "U". All for himself. One desk is more than enough for one person. You can have your laptop, bag, notes, food, whatver, all on one desk. But this guy used up FOUR! Others would move the cubbies around to make their own little forts with entrances and exits. It was their own little island. However, in the process they would end up taking 4 or 5 cubbies for themselves. Where else can but Ross can you start interior decorating to your own whims?

I've seen a girl who will use up one cubby at the library for her laptop. One cubby for her stuff. And one cubby for her TRASH! What kind of an individual thinks they are entitled to that much? Then I'd see a well meaning student looking for a place to study and be too much of a nice guy or girl and leave because all the desks had "stuff" on them.

No one is going to move their stuff if you ask them. They will first ignore your presence even if they know that the spot they are using for their stuff can be used by you. If you then ask them who's stuff it is, they will shrug and look away. The only real way to do anything is to take the stuff and move it to a cubicle that has someone else's stuff on it too. Thats the ONLY way.

[DEQNY85]

I saw one guy who had taken 4 extremely large desks and made them into a "U". All for himself. One desk is more than enough for one person. You can have your laptop, bag, notes, food, whatver, all on one desk. But this guy used up FOUR!

I've seen a few of those "U"s in the new wing area......some of them even paste their schedule, cascade/reaction images etc on the front inside walls of the cubicles as if to mark their territory......be funny to see a local walk in there and jack all their crap the day before a mini :rolleyes: Do that stuff in an NYC school and kiss your crap goodbye

[islandthrift]

I once saw a squatter who had a plant and a mini watering can for the plant in classroom 1

[Mustango]

Lets put this issue on hold and all go to the forum tomorrow and GET OUR MEDIASITE BACK.

[Closter]

There have been incidents when Student A asks Student B to move from a seat, because Student A claims it is his usual seat, even though student B had every right to sit there.
Sometimes, Student B turned out to be a instructor, and student A got into serious pooh pooh or ran off really quickly.
There have been times, when student A was a pace student and student B was a new pace professor, and the incident occurrs 5 mins before pace session.
Student A wasn't even polite about it...

:rolleyes:Boy was the pace professor pissed off

I did not personally see this, only heard of it from a Prof

[Closter]

Funny thing is I've never encountered these problems.
Maybe I've go to ROSS in a parallel universe, where there are always plenty of empty seats in classrooms and people are nice and always share resources. I've gotten plenty of notes and resources I will never read...
I haven't noticed any hostility between students either...and people always smile...
Maybe Because I'm anti-social and have low expectations?

[got milk?]

this is too funny.


look the person in the eye. firmly.
then say "anyone sitting here." <-- notice, with a period. not a question mark.

they will feel uneasy, and give up the seat. and you will then feel like you have the biggest cojones in the world.

[medic300107]

sounds like a good confidence booster

[karemben]

I have been here 4 semesters and have seen it all when it comes to squatting. There are people in the Barn who used to make their own little "forts", for lack of a better word. They would think of the study area as their own PERSONAL space and arrange the desks and cubbies in whatever configuration they wanted. I saw one guy who had taken 4 extremely large desks and made them into a "U". All for himself. One desk is more than enough for one person. You can have your laptop, bag, notes, food, whatver, all on one desk. But this guy used up FOUR! Others would move the cubbies around to make their own little forts with entrances and exits. It was their own little island. However, in the process they would end up taking 4 or 5 cubbies for themselves. Where else can but Ross can you start interior decorating to your own whims?


I KNOW THE INFIDEL YOU SPEAK OF. HAHAHA

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v272/55/27/16300675/n16300675_34253270_5633.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v272/55/27/16300675/n16300675_34253271_5948.jpg

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v272/55/27/16300675/n16300675_34253272_6213.jpg

[DEQNY85]

:rolleyes:Hmm maybe we should pass this along to Dr. C.......:cool:

[karemben]

haha the picture was staged guys. we took it BECAUSE of this post. calm down on the tattle taleings....the swing has plenty of room for everybody. if you want a cubicle, just ask.

[Sideswipe]

That picture is not staged. Thats the actual configuration of the cubicles. I've seen it. The dude sitting there is staged.

But this is a perfect example to those who don't know the situation. Basically, their clique "marks their territory". They basically lay claim to that portion of the room and those tables. If you were to as an outsider want to study in any of those cubicles, you'd have to go into their little area and sit down and study. Not to mention that the group would think it weird that an outsider would have the nerve to come into "their" area and study there.

Thats how it works here at Ross. Stake your spot. Or have one of your friends stake it for you. Do whatever you need to, to ensure that the spot is yours. Put a plan or your notes their overnight. Make the desks into a fort so people won't take the energy to unmake your fort.

Ah, gotta love Ross. And so long as there is some empty cubicle somewhere on campus, people will always say there is "plenty of room". Will it be right next to a door where people walk in and out of constantly. Probably, but hey, there is still a desk and a chair there so it counts as a spot. Will it be a table and desk no where near a power outlet for you to plug in your laptop? Most definitely as not all the desks are near a power outlet. You get the idea.

Thank you for the pics tho! :-D

[DEQNY85]

haha the picture was staged guys. we took it BECAUSE of this post. calm down on the tattle taleings....the swing has plenty of room for everybody. if you want a cubicle, just ask.
It was staged? Noooooo, I couldn't tell by the way he was holding in his smirk so hard :roll:.....figuired a comment about sending this to the school would shake you up a bit ;)

[karemben]

i dont think anyone was shaken up. theres about 30 free cubicles on the otherside of the swing. theres also a plethera of chairs and white tables here. i'm not saying squatting forever is okay,. but i've yet to see anyone walk into the swing and NOT find a place to study. thats IN addition to most other people taking two tables each and making an L shaped office desk.

i guess its the perks of being one of the few that brave the cold and distance of wallking to the swing building.

each of the cubes in the "fort" belong to a different person with THAT respective persons stuff in it. so regardless of what configuration its in, you probably wouldve went and found yourself an empty desk anyway.

anyway, they're fumagating on monday at 7 right? everyones probably gonna have move their stuff anyway. Be there at 6 AM the next day and take what you want. Snooze you lose.

[DEQNY85]

Good for you! I could care less as I only use the wing space for any mediasite I need to catch up on. For me, its not that serious......just for some free A/C ......I'd rather study at home

[watchingrose]

I have seen the person in this picture in the cubes too. This particular picture may be staged, but this is not too far from the truth. He sits in the cubicles and takes at least 3 desks and uses one of them to put his disgustling socks and shoes. He is rude enough to actually put his shoes on top of the desk instead of on the floor. Disgusting. Him and this girl that always sits facing the window talk and talk as if there is no one else in the place. And when you ask them to lower their voices, they speak even louder and start laughing at you. The girl thinks she can get away with it because she's part of the SGA board. She leaves her stuff at the cubicle and goes home to sleep and comes back in 8 hours everyday. Take your garbage with you! You would think SGA members would be more considerate. No wonder nothing gets done, these people are the biggest offenders of all. Everytime the guy in the picture walks into the cube, he has to raise his voice and talk to people to let everyone else in the room know he's there. NO ONE CARES! Shut up and study or you and your girl get out and leave the people that are trying to study in peace while you try to hook up with every girl. No one else cares about your drama and who said what about who. Children!

[DrVinsk]

I certainly hope the guy in the picture is not the true offender. Or for that matter, I hope the offender doesn't look anything like that little punk. I'd have that little runt on his tail in no time. If this stuff is true, then you guys really need to get administration to simply stop it. Leave your stuff....and it gets taken away...that simple. If admin. won't do it, do it yourself. Take stuff and put it away. Nobody wants to have their stuff taken away and that seems to be the best way to solve this matter. I do see, if the pic represents the reality, that for those of you who study at the school this is a real pain.

[jabee_usm]

Wow! So much for Squatters!

[syntrik]

The best part is squatters don't even respect other squatters. They have no problem moving each others shit and using the table/cubicle to expand to their massive construction project, seen it happen a few times now. Why one person needs 3 desks or 5 cubicles is beyond me.

[Aggiemd2b]

Why not study at home? I guess it would only cost the price for electricity but seems to be worth it for all the crap that appears to go on in these rooms.

[Sideswipe]

i dont think anyone was shaken up. theres about 30 free cubicles on the otherside of the swing. theres also a plethera of chairs and white tables here. i'm not saying squatting forever is okay,. but i've yet to see anyone walk into the swing and NOT find a place to study. thats IN addition to most other people taking two tables each and making an L shaped office desk.

i guess its the perks of being one of the few that brave the cold and distance of wallking to the swing building.

each of the cubes in the "fort" belong to a different person with THAT respective persons stuff in it. so regardless of what configuration its in, you probably wouldve went and found yourself an empty desk anyway.

anyway, they're fumagating on monday at 7 right? everyones probably gonna have move their stuff anyway. Be there at 6 AM the next day and take what you want. Snooze you lose.

Hey, I have no problem with people having to exert effort to get a spot. Thats fine if a person has to wake up at 6 everyday to go and get their study spot for the day. That makes sense to me. Its only for a day. Its not as bad as dumping your stuff there for the entire semester. Most people do have to go home to eat or use the bathroom or just take a break. So being gone for a few hours here and there is ok. IF just for a day.

Also, I don't think you mentioned how the other side of the room, close to 75% of the desks are NO WHERE NEAR a power supply. So unless you don't need a laptop, you're SOL.

Those cubes that you saw in the picture were arranged in nice, neat rows by the staff at Ross at the beginning. These people basically commandeered (sp?) for their own purposes to arrange in whatever way they wanted. What would be funny is if the Ross staff AGAIN put the cubicles in straight lines again. What would the squatters ever do?

Someone should take a video of the study spaces at Ross and post them on Youtube. Show all the trash piled up on the desks and in corners and people's stuff staking their spots.

[liqu0rleadstocha0s]

I KNOW THE INFIDEL YOU SPEAK OF. HAHAHA

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v272/55/27/16300675/n16300675_34253270_5633.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v272/55/27/16300675/n16300675_34253271_5948.jpg

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v272/55/27/16300675/n16300675_34253272_6213.jpg

LOL ... just walk up to him and tell him the Redskins suck...or tell him "maybe its maybeline"...if he asks tell him Big Daddy from the other side of the campus told you to say that...

[medic300107]

thats ridiculous

[Laconic]

i skimmed over this thread before writting this. I am in the library right now and half the desks only have a bagpack w/computers on them.. I went across the cubicles twice.. some of them even have dirt building up..., and I cant find a seat. do people usually report such things? ..

[AxlFoley]

geeez, what building is that??

its pretty funny(or sad) that this issue is still as strong as ever. I thought it was horrible when i was on the island....

any new places/buildings added?



*I meant , what building were those pictures taken in? looks new

[Laconic]

library, the "quiet" study area.

[rossmdhopeful]

hey laconic! be a man (or woman) and stand up for yourself. dont let these jerks who have no respect for anyone push you around. You are paying just as much to attend this school as they are. why should you not be able to find a study spot? what makes them so special? if you don't do anything about it, then you have no one to blame but yourself. go to the nearest desk that has crap on it, and pick it up and drop in in another desk that has crap over it, and take the seat and study. if they come back, just say "sorry, no squatting"! what are they gonna do, beat u up? the person will do absolutely nothing and just walk away. and if they say anything to anyone... report the person to the dean. YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT. don't be a chicken. I never had a problem getting a seat and i was there when squatting was HARDCORE! i picked ANY seat i wanted, and just transfered the contents and continued my day. if they came back, which was RARE since these losers just leave their stuff and NEVER come back at times, they didn't say anything because they have no rules to stand on. The admin and librarians will back you. CHUCK THEIR JUNK! in fact, pick one that has a laptop and move that! that'll send the message and maybe these losers will stop squatting!!! someone needs to make a stand. I suggest the new 1st sem students start this now because you guys will inevitably get the short end of the stick. we're not in HighSchool anymore. Toughen up and stand up for your rights cuz I assure you... NO ONE ELSE WILL!!!

[AxlFoley]

its mostly 3rd & 4th who squat since they are use to the period when squating was allowed. Once they are gone, things should be better.


lol, thats what people think every semester......i use to

[AxlFoley]

i skimmed over this thread before writting this. I am in the library right now and half the desks only have a bagpack w/computers on them.. I went across the cubicles twice.. some of them even have dirt building up..., and I cant find a seat. do people usually report such things? ..

Doesnt hurt to ask if they are using the chair or desk (most likely they are probably saving it for someone else)
but if they clearly have gone for a very "extended-bathroom break" , just sit down and start studying. If they arent going to make use of the space, you should. dont feel bad or timid about it.

[thezohan]

To all squatters from a first semester student:

If your stuff is there for more than 15min I will put it on the floor in the middle of the aisle and take your spot. I don't care if I know you or how cute you are: Stuff, Floor, Me in your spot. That is right, if you start seeing stuff in the aisle of the cubicle farm, the fishbowl, or the Pace building, its because TheZohan needed a seat.

[911Med]

To all squatters from a first semester student:

If your stuff is there for more than 15min I will put it on the floor in the middle of the aisle and take your spot. I don't care if I know you or how cute you are: Stuff, Floor, Me in your spot. That is right, if you start seeing stuff in the aisle of the cubicle farm, the fishbowl, or the Pace building, its because TheZohan needed a seat.


Rock on!

Although I would probably revise your time limit to 30 minutes.
30 minutes is the nationally accepted time limit for a decent bowel movement barring any bouts of explosive diarrhea or interesting newspaper articles available while voiding...

Regardless, I applaud your concept. Now, much like Obama, let's see if you actually IMPLEMENT this.

[thezohan]

Its amazing, I came in about an hour ago, and someone else came in about the same time, put his/her stuff in the cubicle next to mine (basically the only 2 places left), and has been gone since then. Also, 5 adjacent cubicles next to me are full of stuff, but have been lacking students since I came.

[Laconic]

Ask? who? Noones there!

Sure there are like 5 or 6 cubicles in a row full of stuff and no ones studying on them. Dont wana get in a complaining mode, but I sure would ask if there was anyone around lol.

btw: i am back in the lib. and just stuff from one of those cubicles and I am writing this from here. :)

Doesnt hurt to ask if they are using the chair or desk (most likely they are probably saving it for someone else)
but if they clearly have gone for a very "extended-bathroom break" , just sit down and start studying. If they arent going to make use of the space, you should. dont feel bad or timid about it.

[rossmdhopeful]

To all squatters from a first semester student:

If your stuff is there for more than 15min I will put it on the floor in the middle of the aisle and take your spot. I don't care if I know you or how cute you are: Stuff, Floor, Me in your spot. That is right, if you start seeing stuff in the aisle of the cubicle farm, the fishbowl, or the Pace building, its because TheZohan needed a seat.

LOL! big talk from someone that will probably be too chicken to ever do it! haha, tough guys from behind an anonymous computer. I love it.

Let's see you actually do this once, then talk.
Every semester there are fake tough guys like you on this forum saying this, and yet... i never saw any "books in the aisle"! haha. maybe you'll prove me wrong, in which case.. i commend you!

[DrVinsk]

Careful, 'chicken' and 'fake' are flaming terms. You may stir a moderator's censorship flag.....you know, the one they wear on their sleeve. To properly phrase your response without getting an infraction:

LOL! (but not at you). You might claim to do something about the squatting situation, golly gee I hope so. I just fear you might fall short (no reference to your stature) in doing so. I understand your courage is exaggerated while being on an anonymous forum, but hopefully you will follow through with your statements. I support you in your quest!

[Mustango]

Squattin' now aint as bad as before. If you use to go to classroom 1 last sem., all the back seats would be taken 24h by 4th sem (TG that they are gone). They would just leave their stuff there over night.

The problem right now is that they took away the barn for regular students and gave it to pace students. I went to the barn recently, there were only 3 students in one room... ridiculous. Meanwhile, at the fishbowl. I was at a table with FOUR other students. That's a total of 5, for the mathematically impair. I just went home and studied there after the person next to me sneezed on my packets.

[AxlFoley]

Its amazing, I came in about an hour ago, and someone else came in about the same time, put his/her stuff in the cubicle next to mine (basically the only 2 places left), and has been gone since then. Also, 5 adjacent cubicles next to me are full of stuff, but have been lacking students since I came.




nice, so in other words....open cubicles!

[Synophrys]

I have been here 4 semesters and have seen it all when it comes to squatting.


Have you ever seen a man squat on his own head? I think not! So NO, you have not seen it all when it comes to squatting! Please take your false remarks where they belong, like that court case with the Ross Vet school and PETA. I hate PETA! They ruin everything... even squatting!

[911Med]

Have you ever seen a man squat on his own head? I think not! So NO, you have not seen it all when it comes to squatting! Please take your false remarks where they belong, like that court case with the Ross Vet school and PETA. I hate PETA! They ruin everything... even squatting!

I once squatted on a baby harp seal.

[Synophrys]

I have been in the library pubicles for over 5 hours today and I have yet to see anyone remove the belongings of a squatter. Amazingly enough, I can count 8 pubicles that have crap in them in my row alone, and the owners have yet to make an appearance.

There are worse problems than squating though... like the girl who sat next to me wearing way too much perfume... these squatters are now using chemical warfare! It's burning my eye's!!

[FusciaNailpolish]

have you tried mebendazole .....?

[Vaginitis]

three cheers for making mountains out of mole hills!
glad to see the island hasn't changed a bit...

[jcu]

Vaginitis, will you marry me?

[IniquityBliss]

I am not going to move my things nine times every day to free up a seat for someone because I'm going to eat, a TA session, take a break, etc. There are times when I go to the library, put my things down, and leave for 2 hours. I do this because I'm going to a peer tutoring session or I'm going in the computer lab to print or I have a meeting with a professor and so on and so on. I study in the fishbowl EVERYDAY. I get there at 8am and I leave at midnight. I will not give up the spot I sit in all day everyday because 1 week before the exam 100 people come to the realization that they are way behind and that maybe going to the library is going to help them catch up. It's unfortunate that people wait until the last minute but it's also not my problem. It's also unrealistic to expect people to pack up all of their things every time they take a break. If someone leaves their seat for a period of a time and then returns that is NOT squatting. When people take over an entire area and leave their things overnight then they are squatting.
If my things end up on the floor so will the person who put them there.

[Synophrys]

Squatting may be a violation of the Honor code. If there are signs posted that prohibit the act of "squatting" and a person chooses to ignore it, it may be reported to the honor council under the pretense of "actions unbecoming of a professional."

Removing someones stuff from a study area, after a prolonged absense of the owner, may be an acceptable action to take. However, any grievances by the party who had thier stuff removed should take them up with either the honor council, or the grievance committee. Taking hostile actions towards any student may result in severe consequences.

The library has signs posted prohibiting squatting. All it takes is one formal complaint against a specific student. The time limitations of squatting have yet to be defined. I would assume that the honor council would review each case on an individual basis until a precedence has been established.

Squatting in a reserved room is also a violation. Please take note that even though a room is empty, does not mean that you can study there. If the party who reserved the room comes to claim the room at any time during their reservation period, you must vacate the room immediately.

All parties involved should address each other with respect and do their best to avoid any confrontations. The Honor Council and Grievance Committee are a "last resort" when nothing else works. Please make an effort to be professional, and have some consideration when dealing with other students.

[IniquityBliss]

I retract my the last sentence of my previous post, but I stand behind all of the others.

[TheMedStudent]

Ok. I've heard so much of this crying about study space that I want a good explanation. Why can't you people study at YOUR APARTMENT? I don't want to hear....there's tv....music.....food.....I can't make myself study at home?...

I always study at my apartment..."buck naked at times"...lol. I honestly don't understand how people study at the library, with all the whispering and shuffling, it's so distracting.

[Mustango]

free internet, electricity, air conditioning, coffee near by as well as food which you don't need to prepare, tutors near by, mediasite, exmediasite always crashes, print center, office hours, keep your sanity by being near people... are just a few reasons off the top of my head to study on campus.

The problem here are there are too many clowns in the library and in classroom 1. You can figure out who the repeats are since they are always chatting it up since they don't have that much to study . These people just hide in the back of the classroom and squat their lazy rumps and have a little social circle of idiots. The cleaning staff does isn't clean their stuff so they just leave it their and so their pile of papers grow... blah i'm just goin' to stop here before it ruins my night. Here here, time to go have post MINI beer. God knows I deserve it.

[thezohan]

The problem here are there are too many clowns in the library and in classroom 1. You can figure out who the repeats are since they are always chatting it up since they don't have that much to study . These people just hide in the back of the classroom and squat their lazy rumps and have a little social circle of idiots.

Just give em a swift kick to the squatter to show your disapproval

[ydobon]

If you need a seat, take it. Drop their stuff off at the library desk.

And, yes, some immature girl with two chairs will whine and yell because you took one of them while she was gone. It's going to happen, because they're entitled to BOTH of those chairs and you get none. But, once your butt is in it, you own it. Smile at her shrieking angry face, put your ear buds in, and go back to studying. Soon, you will be a doctor avoiding panicking family members. Master these skills now.

What types of coping mechanisms are these?

Angry girl: Displacement.

You: Suppression.

Pay attention, this is on the Step.

[Mustango]

It smelled like a squatter died in Classroom 1 today. Please shower.

I miss the good ol' days when there use to be only 15 people studying in Classroom 1... sigh

[Victor604]

I have no problem with squatting. Sure, the whole room may look messy (I'm specifically referring to the barn here), but that's about as far as the frustration goes. Simply put, the reason for my comfort with the situation is that I have no problem taking a few moment of my study time to pile up spread-out stacks of unused packets, scribbled scrap paper, dusty binders, and sweatshirts that haven't been washed in months, and stacking them in some chair, or on some other table. I'm getting to the place where I'm just going to start leaving it on the floor. Of course, some of them will show up hours later and glare at me for moving their stuff - but that's just tough. Actually, I'm personally offended that they didn't clean my study space; so I'm the one who should be pissed. It's as simple as that.

[thezohan]

I remember when I used to be angry at squatters, even threatened to throw there stuff on the floor, but that was before I realized the great advantages of squatting. I have proudly squatted in [_____] for the past 2 months and have settled in quite nicely, I have 1.5 desks, 2 chairs, and never remove my books, i'm planning on buying a cable lock for my laptop next semester so I don't have to trundle it home and back everyday.

[Mustango]

I remember when I used to be angry at squatters, even threatened to throw there stuff on the floor, but that was before I realized the great advantages of squatting. I have proudly squatted in [_____] for the past 2 months and have settled in quite nicely, I have 1.5 desks, 2 chairs, and never remove my books, i'm planning on buying a cable lock for my laptop next semester so I don't have to trundle it home and back everyday.


I plan on buying a machete for that cable lock ;)

[Vaginitis]

seriously, is this thread still active? to whoever started this nonsense, someone needs to squat on your head and take a dump...you deserve it.

[Laconic]

I plan on buying a machete for that cable lock ;)

Go mustango! cuz apparently someone just had a shack attack :p

I dont see any harm in having an extra laptop! pm me. lol