ER rotations at St. Joes Paterson

[misscanada]

Scheduled ER rotation at St Joes, but its a D.O. program. Wondering if I will have any problems with residency application since its not ACGME.

[cavalletti]

Scheduled ER rotation at St Joes, but its a D.O. program. Wondering if I will have any problems with residency application since its not ACGME.

I don't have experience at St Joes but all of SGU's cores and electives are supposed to be green. Is this a rotation you set up yourself? Call and talk to your clinical advisor. They will answer your questions honestly. They don't have anything to hide as SGU has more clinical spots than they can fill.

[misscanada]

St. Joes is one of the SGU clinical sites but the ER residency there is a D.O. residency

[AngryBaby]

try a search, I think this was brought up a few months ago and the eventual answer was it was OK even though it wasn't listed on the ACGME website though I don't really remember the specifics.

[rokshana]

yes the ER rotation at joes is DO (sorry cav- i've addressed this before- don't believe all the hype- there ARE non-acgme rotations available at sgu - but you are not forced to do any non acgme rotation to fufill a requirement)

as for ER at Joes...

for states that aren't picky its no problem

for states that state rotations MUST be done at an ACGME program (ie Pa, Tx)- it WILL be a problem. If this is the case you need to talk to sister R and tell her this- she will change you out without any issue

for states that just require rotations be done at a place with an accredited residency program (ie Va), this should not pose a problem but you never know so IMHO i wouldn't take the chance.

for Cali ANY rotation, residency present or not is OK, let me repeat, OK with the cali board. Why you ask? well 2 reasons- one- there is an allopathic (ie ACGME) family medicine program at joes- this makes anything at joes covered under the family umbrella. 2 is that Joes is listed with a big "M" in the actual greenbook (there is an actual printed copy of this) signifying that it is a Major Teaching hospital- cali see this as a stamp of approval for any thing out of joes. This is straight from Pat Parks-- the foreign school liason for the cali board (and that is her screen name, so no TOS violation)

so i hope that answers your question- though the EM rotation at joes is quite good- 14 shifts and its quite busy and they will let you do everything if you want- the PD there is fantastic!

[misscanada]

Thanks for all the info Rokshana...u're the best. If I'm going for an ER residency will it be a problem doing ER at St Joes, assuming I won't be licensed in PA or TX?

[RussianJoo]

Thanks for all the info Rokshana...u're the best. If I'm going for an ER residency will it be a problem doing ER at St Joes, assuming I won't be licensed in PA or TX?


Since ER is a DO residency at St. Joe's you will not get it because only DO's can be considered for it.

The same thing happened at SBMC a few years ago with a Neuro Surgery residency and it actually went empty because no DO's applied for it, MD can't apply for DO residencies. So if you're doing the elective thinking you'll get a spot you won't you're just wasting your time.

[kananaskis_girl]

[edit] sorry, mis-read something :rolleyes:

[misscanada]

Since ER is a DO residency at St. Joe's you will not get it because only DO's can be considered for it.

The same thing happened at SBMC a few years ago with a Neuro Surgery residency and it actually went empty because no DO's applied for it, MD can't apply for DO residencies. So if you're doing the elective thinking you'll get a spot you won't you're just wasting your time.

i know i can't apply for a DO residency. What I'm asking is, if I apply for ER residency, will it matter to them that I did an elective in a DO program?

[RussianJoo]

ohh sorry, that I don't know. But why would want to do an elective at a place that can't offer you a prematch? isn't the whole point of electives is to get your foot in the door and do like an elective/interview? I mean sure you'll learn a lot from that elective but if I were you I wouldn't waste my time doing an elective somewhere where I can't do a residency and just pick a hospital where I can sign a contract.

[rokshana]

no sometimes the point is to get a good LoR from a well known person in the field. Let's face it- doing a rotation at say, UCSF or MGH will not get your foot in the door there...but it can allow you to meet influential people whos letter will carry a lot of weight at the programs that will be more realistic...

to the OP if you are looking for experience, joes is good..if you are looking for a letter for apps, i'm not sure how helpful it may be...the PD there is great, but whether a DO PD has connections at an MD program, i don't know...

if you are planning on doing more than one EM rotation, i would suggest doing the joes one 1st- you will get to do a bunch and you will look impressive at the next place, because you will know your way around (think of the joes one as a practice to get the bugs out...).

[RussianJoo]

I agree with Rok, St. Joe's would be a good practice ER rotation or a learning rotation. but it's far from MGH or UCSF and I don't think a letter from a DO would carry a lot of weight at MD programs. Like Rok said if you plan on doing more than one ER rotation (which you should) then definitely do the one at st. joe's first to work out the bugs and learn as much as you can. if the st. joe's rotation is going to be your only one or you might go over the 80 weeks allowed for clinicals by doing other rotations then i would suggest doing other rotations that are MD or where you would have a decent shot at being accepted to and skipping the rotation at st. joe's.

[jjphilly13]

If you are just doing a rotation, you should be fine. JUst to be on the safe side I would contact the SGU Clincal Office.

[rokshana]

If you are just doing a rotation, you should be fine. JUst to be on the safe side I would contact the SGU Clincal Office.

really? haven't necessarily found the clinical office to always be that up to date with info - they'll tell you you still need to do neurology for texas (and well the fiasco with texas rotations IMHO came from someone in the clinical office misreading the statue and not letting go...)