Newsday article on AUC's new training contract

[azskeptic]

Offshore med schools paying hospitals for rotations -- Newsday.com (http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-limed5755466jul07,0,248578.story)

[oblomov]

"The average tuition cost of a private U.S. medical school is about $30,000 per year, compared to as much as $60,000 for an offshore school."

Huh? Where did they get these numbers?

[Mermaid Grace]

"The average tuition cost of a private U.S. medical school is about $30,000 per year, compared to as much as $60,000 for an offshore school."

Huh? Where did they get these numbers?

Don't know about the US schools, but the offshore sounds low to me. Nearly 40K in tuition and 36-48K in living/ travel expenses. The only caveat is paying tuition for 3 semesters/ year offshore instead of 2 semesters/ year in the US, might make the comparison for the whole program a tiny bit more even.

[stateofequilibrium]

Interesting article, at least it shows AUC is active in trying to lock up rotations, good for them.

[Closter]

That sentence....grrr...misleads people.
It compares an average to a maximum...

[BiologyBY]

"The average tuition cost of a private U.S. medical school is about $30,000 per year, compared to as much as $60,000 for an offshore school."

Huh? Where did they get these numbers?
I wonder the same thing. Its 36000 in tuition for 3 semesters here. In NY, private schools cost the same for 2 semesters and many cost quite a bit more.

[Arkie]

Way to go, AUC!

[kemper6036]

i love the paranoia by the AMA rep........typical

[BiologyBY]

Good work by AUC for certain

[Goaliegurl33]

It was definitely good of AUC to get this article. Newsday is the big paper on Long Island that everyone reads, so just getting the name of the school out is great!

[Skipper]

19 million and a decade...sounds like AUC working hard!

great work!

skipper

[azskeptic]

It looks to me that these placements will be competitive.....if the medical school doesn't have the money to 'meet' the prices AUC/SGU have set, they won't get the places. This probably will result in some of the smaller medical schools having large problems finding placements or am I missing something?

19 million and a decade...sounds like AUC working hard!

great work!

skipper

[DrFraud]

It looks to me that these placements will be competitive.....if the medical school doesn't have the money to 'meet' the prices AUC/SGU have set, they won't get the places. This probably will result in some of the smaller medical schools having large problems finding placements or am I missing something?

If there continues to be problems with smaller programs having difficulties securing credit for their students, the end result might be a reduction in demand for these spots so that the price might come down a bit in the next few years. The 'credit crisis' seems like a more immediate concern for these smaller programs without guaranteed federal loans.

[DRDRWMD]

It is nice to know AUC is trying to get us decent rotations. The article put AUC in a good light, which is good for us as their students.

[DrFraud]

It is nice to know AUC is trying to get us decent rotations. The article put AUC in a good light, which is good for us as their students.

Yes, this it is great news.

I bet someone who recently took step 1 and who is patiently waiting for their results in order to schedule clinical rotations would find this to be most excellent.

[stateofequilibrium]

Yes, this it is great news.

I bet someone who recently took step 1 and who is patiently waiting for their results in order to schedule clinical rotations would find this to be most excellent.

Anyone you know?

[MedicRN]

That statement by the AMA president is typical of the AMA's stance on FMG/IMG's. I for one would never give any money or dues to the AMA because of that attitude, and I urge you all to do the same. I was born and lived in the USA all my life, and had to go offshore to med school because there is a shortage of spots in US schools, and because of that the AMA is against me. They can kiss my rosy white all American beef patties.

MedicRN

[kemper6036]

agreed .....

[Arkie]

thriced - they wont be getting any of my hard-earned $

[summerwind]

Will students be able to do all cores at the new hospital? It would be great to not have to move around.

I assume that the 64 new spots will be more than enough to offset the spots AUC will be loosing at Wyckoff to Ross.

[BiologyBY]

Yeah, all cores and just about any elective you can think of. The folks who came down to the island from the hospital for the fair were very friendly and excited about working with AUC

[lsmith55uf]

I like this news. Not a big fan of NY, but if we can stay there and not have to move a lot, I'm all for it. Good for AUC

[dydx4]

Good job AUC, but it still seems like there are getting a raw deal compared to SGU. $19 million dollars for 64 spots for ten years is a ton of money compared to SGU's $100mil for 600 spots for 10 years. Tuition will definitely be increasing......I'm guessing there are making this move out of desperation, without a lot of thought but I could be wrong. A better move would have to been to pay 19mill to sgu for some of their spots like 100 since SGU doesn't have a very good incentive to keep increasing class size to meet up the 600 spots there have reserve since it cost a lot more to expand class size and facilities.

[rokshana]

Good job AUC, but it still seems like there are getting a raw deal compared to SGU. $19 million dollars for 64 spots for ten years is a ton of money compared to SGU's $100mil for 600 spots for 10 years. Tuition will definitely be increasing......I'm guessing there are making this move out of desperation, without a lot of thought but I could be wrong. A better move would have to been to pay 19mill to sgu for some of their spots like 100 since SGU doesn't have a very good incentive to keep increasing class size to meet up the 600 spots there have reserve since it cost a lot more to expand class size and facilities.

umm...have you seen the campus lately?...they just finished off a hall that holds 750 students, never mind the 2 other auditoria that holds ~400 each - sgu is expanding by leaps and bounds at the moment (whether its a GOOD idea, well...)- seems to me when the 2nd GSP class makes it up to clinicals (in what a year and half or so?) those 600 spots will fill fast enough.

good that AUC is thinking about their students and anticpating the need for rotations!

[DrFraud]

Anyone you know?


possibly :rolleyes:

[BiologyBY]

Not to downplay SGU, but the hospitals they acquired are slightly cheaper while NUMC's affiliation with LIJH system probably raised the price

[summerwind]

Good job AUC, but it still seems like there are getting a raw deal compared to SGU. $19 million dollars for 64 spots for ten years is a ton of money compared to SGU's $100mil for 600 spots for 10 years. Tuition will definitely be increasing......I'm guessing there are making this move out of desperation, without a lot of thought but I could be wrong. A better move would have to been to pay 19mill to sgu for some of their spots like 100 since SGU doesn't have a very good incentive to keep increasing class size to meet up the 600 spots there have reserve since it cost a lot more to expand class size and facilities.

I agree, it seems like AUC's back was against the wall. At least they are addressing the problem.

[Skipper]

i like how when AUC goes out and gets clinical sites, there are people who still find something wrong with it

skipper

[lsmith55uf]

i like how when AUC goes out and gets clinical sites, there are people who still find something wrong with it

skipper

I know, right? I really don't get it. Why can't anyone just say "wow, this is a good thing, let's hope AUC keeps up the good work..." ???

[Arkie]

I know, right? I really don't get it. Why can't anyone just say "wow, this is a good thing, let's hope AUC keeps up the good work..." ???

wait a sec, that's exactly what I said!

[lsmith55uf]

Sorry Arkie. I stand corrected.

Thank you!

[DrFraud]

i like how when AUC goes out and gets clinical sites, there are people who still find something wrong with it

skipper

It's like some people from other Caribbean Schools have nothing to do but try and spin everything in a negative way at AUC.

I'm totally glad I went to AUC, and I have no regrets.

I'm still waiting for the 'We have bigger cup holders at ........ ' claim.

[lsmith55uf]

I hear at SGU, you can fit a big gulp in their cup holders.

[NYladoo]

I hear at SGU, you can fit a big gulp in their cup holders.

Don't let a newbie's comment turn this into an anti-SGU or anti-Ross thread.

[BiologyBY]

We at AUC are making love, not war

[DrFraud]

Is that why the earth was shaking in the Caribbean last week.

[rokshana]

I hear at SGU, you can fit a big gulp in their cup holders.


no they come WITH a big gulp on your 1st day in class....:p

and how do you know that that guy is from another school (i was nothing but complimentary!!!).

[DrFraud]

Don't let a newbie's comment turn this into an anti-SGU or anti-Ross thread.

I think it was also summerwind's comments too, who is anything but a newbie.

[DrFraud]

no they come WITH a big gulp on your 1st day in class....:p

and how do you know that that guy is from another school (i was nothing but complimentary!!!).

lol....doesn't summerwind go to SGU?

[NYladoo]

lol....doesn't summerwind go to SGU?

I don't know, but I didn't even see that post, scrolled to quickly.

[lsmith55uf]

Oh, no, it's not. I'm totally kidding. I think SGU and Ross are great schools. I am so thankful for schools like AUC, SGU and Ross. Without them, I'd be headed to the Army's PA school.

I just think it is funny that when AUC does something well, the SGU folks and (some) Ross folks come out of the woodwork to bash it, and tell people how much better their respective schools are. All of these "which school should I go to" threads really don't serve any purpose. There are so many resources out there, and so much information. Prospective students should be able to decide without our opinions. When it boils down to it, none of these 3 schools are "better" or "worse". They'll get you where you want to go if you work hard. All of the pros and cons are totally subjective.

And it really makes me chuckle when they bash AUC b/c of the word Caribbean in the school's name. At this point, I really can't believe that is something that is important to people. I have a hard time believing patients are going to walk out of my office b/c of that.

Patient: "So, doc, where did you go to school?"
Doc: "I went to AUC/SGU/Ross."
Patient: "Oh, really? Where's that?"
Doc: "St. Maarten/Grenada/Dominica."
Patient: "Stop stitching me, I'd rather bleed to death! Get me a Harvard grad!"

Or are the SGU and Ross folks gonna pretend they didn't go to school in the caribbean?

[lsmith55uf]

We at AUC are making love, not war

This is true, I never see AUC students bashing other schools.

Just me, I called Grenada a rathole ;)

[lsmith55uf]

no they come WITH a big gulp on your 1st day in class....:p

and how do you know that that guy is from another school (i was nothing but complimentary!!!).

I know, your posts are always very helpful, I wasn't referring to you at all

[DrFraud]

Oh, no, it's not. I'm totally kidding. I think SGU and Ross are great schools. I am so thankful for schools like AUC, SGU and Ross. Without them, I'd be headed to the Army's PA school.

I just think it is funny that when AUC does something well, the SGU folks and (some) Ross folks come out of the woodwork to bash it, and tell people how much better their respective schools are. All of these "which school should I go to" threads really don't serve any purpose. There are so many resources out there, and so much information. Prospective students should be able to decide without our opinions. When it boils down to it, none of these 3 schools are "better" or "worse". They'll get you where you want to go if you work hard. All of the pros and cons are totally subjective.

And it really makes me chuckle when they bash AUC b/c of the word Caribbean in the school's name. At this point, I really can't believe that is something that is important to people. I have a hard time believing patients are going to walk out of my office b/c of that.

Patient: "So, doc, where did you go to school?"
Doc: "I went to AUC/SGU/Ross."
Patient: "Oh, really? Where's that?"
Doc: "St. Maarten/Grenada/Dominica."
Patient: "Stop stitching me, I'd rather bleed to death! Get me a Harvard grad!"

Or are the SGU and Ross folks gonna pretend they didn't go to school in the caribbean?

Actually, this happens more then you think. Do a google on 'Ross University, MD, doctor, and New york' or some criteria like this and you will find graduates who claim that Ross is based in NY and not dominica because their graduation is in NYC.

I don't know why they bother but I guess they think it looks better on a web site even though I think it's totally misleading

[lsmith55uf]

Misleading? Yeah. Wrong? yep. Sad? Very.

Am I happy that I am going to a Caribbean medical school? No, not in the sense as if I were going to a US med school, but that didn't work out, so YES, I am very happy to be going to a Caribbean Med school. Would I ever lie about it? Heck no. If you're willing to lie about where you went to school, what else are you gonna lie about. I question that about a physician far more that where he went to school.

When I finish, I will be proud to tell my patients where I went to school, and I hope that I am a good doctor, and reflect well upon the school.

[rokshana]

I know, your posts are always very helpful, I wasn't referring to you at all


and i'm an honorary AUCer (AUCMD said so!!):D

[lsmith55uf]

Then it must be so!

On topic, I am very happy with the new contract in NY, as is my wife. We hopefully won't have to be Nomads bouncing all over the country with a 2 year old and a nutso Dog....

[DrFraud]

and i'm an honorary AUCer (AUCMD said so!!):D



yes....our newbies must think that you're an AUC graduate :)

[rokshana]

yes....our newbies must think that you're an AUC graduate :)


and i would have no problems with that!

though newbies...i'm an sgu grad....

[lsmith55uf]

Did they give big gulps at graduation too? ;)

[kemper6036]

how about slurpees

[rokshana]

silly! we graduated in NYC.....dunkin' donuts coffee!!

(not much about the northeast i miss, but boy do i miss having a dunkins on every corner!!).

[lsmith55uf]

One thing I hope, is that AUC will one day AUC will have graduations in FL.

So I hear you are a guru of licensing for southern states. What'd ya know about FL?

[Skipper]

graduation on the island is great....i always hated the idea until it was time to go back....seeing the island, meeting your friends back where you use to hang out...brought back lots of good memories....

it was a good time

skipper

[DrFraud]

It would definitely be easier for me and my family to go to Florida instead of having to travel all the way to St. Maarten, but as a student, I very much enjoyed being able to meet the AUC graduates each spring. :)

I learned a great deal from these grads too.

[BiologyBY]

When you right , you right

[kemper6036]

graduation on the island is great....i always hated the idea until it was time to go back....seeing the island, meeting your friends back where you use to hang out...brought back lots of good memories....

it was a good time

skipper

i agree.....hopefully they wont change it anytime soon

[Kriterion]

Or are the SGU and Ross folks gonna pretend they didn't go to school in the caribbean?

thats sad if they do...

[rokshana]

One thing I hope, is that AUC will one day AUC will have graduations in FL.

So I hear you are a guru of licensing for southern states. What'd ya know about FL?


its not southern....:D

not too much- scott would be a better person to ask- i know he has put more time into researching fla...

i do know that fla is enforcing the rule about schools must have a formal affliation with a hospital for their students to do rotations- so this can make 4th year electives, esp audtion ones difficult to do in Fla- AUC i think just signed on with cleveland cliinic in weston-( i know sgu just started sending students there in may).

[lsmith55uf]

Seriously, run a search on google for it. I found a ton of Ross and SGU, as well as some SMU grads who apparently went to med school in NJ, NY, or FL...

Pretty sad indeed.

[Skipper]

I have an AUC Alumni pin on my lab coat, right next to my Undergrad pin (university of north florida).......there is no reason to hide it...i figure i matched at a program that allows me to teach their own med students, therefore i meet some standard.....lol :rolleyes::rolleyes:

if no one believes me, i will get them a picture of my coat with my AUC pin on it.....

skipper

Oh, no, it's not. I'm totally kidding. I think SGU and Ross are great schools. I am so thankful for schools like AUC, SGU and Ross. Without them, I'd be headed to the Army's PA school.

I just think it is funny that when AUC does something well, the SGU folks and (some) Ross folks come out of the woodwork to bash it, and tell people how much better their respective schools are. All of these "which school should I go to" threads really don't serve any purpose. There are so many resources out there, and so much information. Prospective students should be able to decide without our opinions. When it boils down to it, none of these 3 schools are "better" or "worse". They'll get you where you want to go if you work hard. All of the pros and cons are totally subjective.

And it really makes me chuckle when they bash AUC b/c of the word Caribbean in the school's name. At this point, I really can't believe that is something that is important to people. I have a hard time believing patients are going to walk out of my office b/c of that.

Patient: "So, doc, where did you go to school?"
Doc: "I went to AUC/SGU/Ross."
Patient: "Oh, really? Where's that?"
Doc: "St. Maarten/Grenada/Dominica."
Patient: "Stop stitching me, I'd rather bleed to death! Get me a Harvard grad!"

Or are the SGU and Ross folks gonna pretend they didn't go to school in the caribbean?

[DrFraud]

Seriously, run a search on google for it. I found a ton of Ross and SGU, as well as some SMU grads who apparently went to med school in NJ, NY, or FL...

Pretty sad indeed.

I'm sure there would be more AUC students who would do this to if it weren't for the Caribbean in our name :).

I wish there was some way to stop this but appartently, at least from the Ross students who I heard that do this, they think that since graduation is in NY, this entitles them to indicate that this is where there school is located.

[rokshana]

if no one believes me, i will get them a picture of my coat with my AUC pin on it.....

skipper

we can put it right next to the pix of the sgu pin on my coat...

[kemper6036]

we can put it right next to the pix of the sgu pin on my coat...

glad to see i'm not the only seasoned vmd member who gets infractions....guess im in good company :twisted:

[DrFraud]

glad to see i'm not the only seasoned vmd member who gets infractions....guess im in good company :twisted:

Everyone is entitled to a bad day every now and then :evil:

[BiologyBY]

I have an AUC Alumni pin on my lab coat, right next to my Undergrad pin (university of north florida).......there is no reason to hide it...i figure i matched at a program that allows me to teach their own med students, therefore i meet some standard.....lol :rolleyes::rolleyes:

if no one believes me, i will get them a picture of my coat with my AUC pin on it.....

skipper
Go ahead Skipper, I want to see what it looks like

[DrFraud]

Yeah, me too.

[Nelphus]

Link to official press release regarding contract in case you guys haven't read further info (linked in yesterdays AUC update email)

nice to hear some details on affiliation and plans on recruiting AUC students for residency

Nassau University Medical Center (http://www.numc.edu/htms/pressreleasedetail.asp?ID=379)

[summerwind]

Link to official press release regarding contract in case you guys haven't read further info (linked in yesterdays AUC update email)

Nassau University Medical Center (http://www.numc.edu/htms/pressreleasedetail.asp?ID=379)

The following is a quote from the article you site:

"NUMC will designate a site director to oversee the clerkships and provide appropriate clinical supervision and training of AUC students, including their performance of relevant clinical procedures, while they are taking core and elective clerkships at NUMC."

Is it normal procedure to assign a separate supervisor for FMGs? Does this mean AUC students will not be rotating with the US students?

[CaptainInsaneO]

I will assume that you are joking or are unfamiliar with clinical rotations.

This is a huge benefit to AUC students and actually normal protocol for clinical centers to organize our rotations and education onsite instead of having to go through Miami whenever an issue arises.

Even if AUC students weren't rotating with US students, which I find to be neither a benefit or detraction from our education, why would that be a bad thing? The only benefit of rotating with US students is the realization that we are just as good or better than them in terms of basic science knowledge.



The following is a quote from the article you site:

"NUMC will designate a site director to oversee the clerkships and provide appropriate clinical supervision and training of AUC students, including their performance of relevant clinical procedures, while they are taking core and elective clerkships at NUMC."

Is it normal procedure to assign a separate supervisor for FMGs? Does this mean AUC students will not be rotating with the US students?

[summerwind]

This is a huge benefit to AUC students and actually normal protocol for clinical centers to organize our rotations and education onsite instead of having to go through Miami whenever an issue arises.


Even if AUC students weren't rotating with US students, which I find to be neither a benefit or detraction from our education, why would that be a bad thing? The only benefit of rotating with US students is the realization that we are just as good or better than them in terms of basic science knowledge.

My point was that the excerpt from the article made it sound like the AUC students may be separate. To answer your question, it would be a benefit to rotate with US students. A benefit for AUC students and a benefit for the US students. It would be advantageous for each group to learn from the others' experience.

[DrFraud]

My point was that the excerpt from the article made it sound like the AUC students may be separate. To answer your question, it would be a benefit to rotate with US students. A benefit for AUC students and a benefit for the US students. It would be advantageous for each group to learn from the others' experience.


No Summerwind, you as are making is sound like the AUC students might be separate. You, as a SGU student seem to be looking to find something wrong with a positive press release by creating some FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt)

.....and next your gonna pull up the lunch menus at our clinical sites to compare the daily specials :bored:

[summerwind]

No Summerwind, you as are making is sound like the AUC students might be separate. You, as a SGU student seem to be looking to find something wrong with a positive press release by creating some FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt)

Wrong again, if you read my previous post I congratulated AUC for addressing the clinical problem.

[DrFraud]

Good job AUC, but it still seems like there are getting a raw deal compared to SGU.......

and your response......
I agree, it seems like AUC's back was against the wall. At least they are addressing the problem.

You have a peculuar way of congratulating someone.

[summerwind]

Fraud,

When you jump into the mud to wrestle with a pig you get dirty too....and the pig likes it.

[BiologyBY]

The director is there to make sure the rotations are up to par. That students aren't scutted mercilessly and that they are taught and not placed in the corner etc. Each site at AUC is reviewed once a year I believe

[DrFraud]

The director is there to make sure the rotations are up to par. That students aren't scutted mercilessly and that they are taught and not placed in the corner etc. Each site at AUC is reviewed once a year I believe

I'm sure everything will be set up well. I been in communication with the clinical dept., and I am excited about having the opportunity to learn medicine at this location.

[rokshana]

The following is a quote from the article you site:

"NUMC will designate a site director to oversee the clerkships and provide appropriate clinical supervision and training of AUC students, including their performance of relevant clinical procedures, while they are taking core and elective clerkships at NUMC."

Is it normal procedure to assign a separate supervisor for FMGs? Does this mean AUC students will not be rotating with the US students?

of course it is...every sgu clinical center has a Director of Medical Education (DME) that structures the educational experience at each site so there is some consistancy (whether that consistancy is real, well, that is debatable)...

[Skipper]

Go ahead Skipper, I want to see what it looks like


find me on Facebook and you can see the picture.....i can be found under anyone of the auc groups

skipper

[BiologyBY]

Should I search for Skipper? :)

[Goaliegurl33]

Hey guys. Here is an editorial that was in Newsday as a follow up of the NUMC/AUC article ...

Good plan for NUMC -- Newsday.com (http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpnumc145763156jul14,0,5437184.story)

[HopefulMD21]

How about this comment to the editorial:

"NUMC is a horrible place. The quality of care there is terrible and Newsday does a disservice to imply that this is good for the public. These foreign medical students will receive substandard training and probable won't be able to successfully compete for quality residency positions after graduation. NUMC knows that it can't attract quality american medical students to train in their residency programs, so they are trying to "bilk" the federal reimbursement system for graduate medical education by training foreign graduates. Our tax dollars should NOT pay for this. WAKEUP NEWSDAY!!"

Such ignorance is disappointing, and if people such as this are really worried about foreign medical graduates, they should be advocating that US med schools take more American students. These on-shore schools are pushing away so many US natives, meanwhile hospitals are "importing" doctors by the thousands from countries such as India, Pakistan, China, etc. In addition, what are his tax dollars paying for? It is the AUC students that are bearing the cost (for the most part). Something tells me this person is an American graduated doctor...

[BiologyBY]

I loved the substandard training comment. That's why the NUMC has something like 17 accredited programs.

[rokshana]

How about this comment to the editorial:

"NUMC is a horrible place. The quality of care there is terrible and Newsday does a disservice to imply that this is good for the public. These foreign medical students will receive substandard training and probable won't be able to successfully compete for quality residency positions after graduation. NUMC knows that it can't attract quality american medical students to train in their residency programs, so they are trying to "bilk" the federal reimbursement system for graduate medical education by training foreign graduates. Our tax dollars should NOT pay for this. WAKEUP NEWSDAY!!"

Such ignorance is disappointing, and if people such as this are really worried about foreign medical graduates, they should be advocating that US med schools take more American students. These on-shore schools are pushing away so many US natives, meanwhile hospitals are "importing" doctors by the thousands from countries such as India, Pakistan, China, etc. In addition, what are his tax dollars paying for? It is the AUC students that are bearing the cost (for the most part). Something tells me this person is an American graduated doctor...


seems to me the poster is blasting NUMC not foreign med students.

[rokshana]

I loved the substandard training comment. That's why the NUMC has something like 17 accredited programs.


come on-- we all know that just because a program is accredited doesn't guarantee that it is a good one.

I don't know this about NUMC- from what i've heard, its not a bad place to train...

[Goaliegurl33]

NUMC was in the past a place for sub-standard care on Long Island. But they have turned over a new leaf a while back, have attracted top doctors, and are certainly on their way toward becoming one of the top medical care centers in Nassau. Don't let the ignorant Long Islanders comments get to you ... Trust me the rest of us on Long Island don't feel that way! I'm super excited about the rotation at NUMC - and its only 40-45 min. from my house in Suffolk County! :D

[kemper6036]

NUMC was in the past a place for sub-standard care on Long Island. But they have turned over a new leaf a while back, have attracted top doctors, and are certainly on their way toward becoming one of the top medical care centers in Nassau. Don't let the ignorant Long Islanders comments get to you ... Trust me the rest of us on Long Island don't feel that way! I'm super excited about the rotation at NUMC - and its only 40-45 min. from my house in Suffolk County! :D

that would make me very excited too if i were you

[BiologyBY]

you can look at joint commission accreditation and see for yourself where they stand

[HopefulMD21]

seems to me the poster is blasting NUMC not foreign med students.

He/she certainly is, but at the same time he/she is suggesting that NUMC is attracting inferior students, not "quality American".

[Goaliegurl33]

Alright so I got so p/o'ed at the comments by "wake-up" that I replied to them on Newsday. I'm always on Newsday's website as it's my hometown paper so I figured I should give them a piece of my mind as well! Such ignorant people! :evil: