Greenbook electives

[saints17]

Does anyone have a list of greenbook electives AUA is affiliated with?

I was told Wyckoff has a few, but I can't seem to find any on the acgme website. I only know of Radiology at St Joseph-Oakland, Michigan.

[Sree Cheruku]

i contacted US medical schools (albert einstein and downstate) and did my green electives through them - aua had no problems approving it.

but you need good board scores and need to be really persistent for them to accept you.

[mcMD1]

How do you go about requesting an elective at any US school?
Do you just filll out a sheet and give it to the rotation coordinators?
Also, do the schools require a fee you to apply for their rotation?
And do you think it will be difficult to do an elective on the West Coast (i.e. Nevada/Cali)
I'm sorry for all the questions, but this is a great thread!
THANK YOU so much for answering the questions in advance! :D

[Sree Cheruku]

You have to visit the school's website and then call the respective department. Ask them if they will accept a foreign medical student. Most will hang up on you right away. It's really depressing but myself and so many of my classmates have similar experiences.

But be persistent. Keep calling, send letters, show them your board scores/medical school transcript, tell them you are interested in that particular field etc. If you have really good board scores, AUA might make a phone call on your behalf. They did that for one of my friends who had a 257/99.

California doesn't allow foreign students to rotate through. I would expect Nevada to be just as foreign unfriendly. Look eastward.

Also, do the schools require a fee you to apply for their rotation?
I think I had to pay 15 dollars for one place and nothing for another.

[mcMD1]

Do you think the school will provide us with a list of hospitals where previous students were accepted to complete their electives?
THANKS Sree for taking time out of your busy schedule by answering our countless questions and helping us out!!! :D

[OTF]

How do you go about requesting an elective at any US school?
Do you just filll out a sheet and give it to the rotation coordinators?
Also, do the schools require a fee you to apply for their rotation?
And do you think it will be difficult to do an elective on the West Coast (i.e. Nevada/Cali)
I'm sorry for all the questions, but this is a great thread!
THANK YOU so much for answering the questions in advance! :D

If you are interested in rotating somewhere most of the time all the info is on their website. The website will tell you if they take IMG's, the procedure, deadlines, forms, calendar, fees if any, and what rotations they offer for visitng student electives.

[rossmed45]

Maybe we can compile a list of hospitals other AUA students have done greenbook electives at.

The school says that all electives AUA has available are greenbook electives.

[Sree Cheruku]

My clinical coordinator, TL, has approved all my away electives. She knows the procedure pretty well. She should be able to help.

But, the away electives you do depend on what field of medicine you are interested in and where you want to match. So, its better to do your own research:

1. Make a list of programs in the field of your choice that have, in the last 5 years, accepted a Caribbean graduate.
2. Send a letter showing that you're interested in a clerkship there because you plan to apply for residency there, and make yourself look good, emphasizing your strong points like USMLE scores, clinical GPA, research publications, etc.

[mcMD1]

I believe a compiled list of hospitals other AUA students have done greenbook electives at is a great idea! Is there anyway the school can provide this? :confused:

[blackwell]

I can't find any Endocrinology Rotations that are greenbook. Does anyone know if AUA has any? I searched all of our affiliated hospitals from the AUA website using the ACGME search.

Thanks

[Sree Cheruku]

I can't find any Endocrinology Rotations that are greenbook. Does anyone know if AUA has any?

You can do an elective at a hospital with an ACGME-accredited Internal Medicine program. That "counts as" Greenbook in nearly every state.

If you're really interested, you can schedule an elective at an away site like Albany Medical College which has an Endocrinology fellowship.

[surge22]

Hey guys,

Does the school provide a hospital list for core and elective once we pass step 1? Thanks a bunch.

[Sree Cheruku]

nah, you have to do your own research
all you get is a list of hospitals (on the website)

[user name]

Hey Sree do you know where I can do a Family medicine Sub-I or electives?

[surge22]

nah, you have to do your own research
all you get is a list of hospitals (on the website)

Thanks Sree!
Does that mean we can rotate in any program within a affiliated hospital?

[Sree Cheruku]

Does that mean we can rotate in any program within a affiliated hospital?

In most cases, yeah. But not always. For example, we're affiliated with Franklin Square in Baltimore but can only do Family there. We can only do IM at Union Memorial, etc.

[surge22]

So I guess that means we need to call up each hospital on the list, is that correct, Sree? Thanks, Sree.

[caliber38]

I wouldnt call the hospital if i were you. You should contact your AUA clinical coordinator. The school hates it when students call the hospital directly. If you are not starting clinicals soon the same hospitals you wanted to call may not be affiliated with AUA by the time you take your step1 and pass it. The hospital list is constantly changing. The school just doesnt update the website frequently anymore.

[surge22]

Caliber,

Thanks so much for the update.

[got milk?]

You can do an elective at a hospital with an ACGME-accredited Internal Medicine program. That "counts as" Greenbook in nearly every state.




how sure are you about that? where did you read this?

I've always understood it as:
no fellowship = no green

that would mean that nearly every wack elective at Wyckoff is considered green just because it has an IM residency....

[Sree Cheruku]

I've always understood it as:
no fellowship = no green

I've been told by someone who's successfully gone through the Pennsylvania licensure process that IM electives are Green even if there are no fellowships. The exception, I've been told, is Neurology which is not Green unless there is a corresponding residency program.

elective at Wyckoff is considered green just because it has an IM residency

Except Neuro. The GI program there is a formal affiliate of Brooklyn Hospital's GI fellowship so that particular elective is even Green-er!

[mcMD1]

Has anyone in the school's history completed a neuro elective anywhere?
Just curious :confused:
THANKS

[got milk?]

I've been told by someone who's successfully gone through the Pennsylvania licensure process that IM electives are Green even if there are no fellowships. The exception, I've been told, is Neurology which is not Green unless there is a corresponding residency program.




i've been told that PA has become more lenient regarding electives. maybe that's why your buddy didn't have a problem getting a license

[Sree Cheruku]

i've been told that PA has become more lenient regarding electives. maybe that's why your buddy didn't have a problem getting a license

oh wow, so they don't require green electives anymore? i actually didnt apply to PA programs this match cycle because i did a stupid non-green ER elective but I'll look into that

[got milk?]

i've been told that PA has become more lenient regarding electives. maybe that's why your buddy didn't have a problem getting a license

oh wow, so they don't require green electives anymore? i actually didnt apply to PA programs this match cycle because i did a stupid non-green ER elective but I'll look into that



why not apply for residency?
i don't think it has anything to do with applying for residency.


here's the official response regarding licensure:

Pennsylvania no longer has specific requirements for medical school education for graduates of medical schools located outside the US or Canada. The requirement is only to graduate from medical school, and all applications are then evaluated on a case by case basis.

Matt
PA Dept of State


that response was what i was afraid of......... that means I have to go back and search for truly green electives for the states that require it. eg nevada

PA was just being nice to that one grad you mentioned.