state dissapproval making me think of transferring

[neeL24]

I am considering transferring to another school because of the ridiculous number of states adopting the cali rule. Many of the state boards I contacted that follow cali say they will accept the school of graduation while some say they will not and require all four years at a cali approved school. Right now I am eligible for the states I want to practice in but I feel like in the near future many more states will follow california. I don't like the feeling of uncertainty on whether I will be able to practice medicine. In regards to whether the school can do anything about it, I doubt it, if a states wants to adopt the list it will, however the only hope is getting approved by the state of california. I believe that is a long process. My question is, does anybody know if the situation will improve and have any suggestions for me, should I transfer or stick it out here?
Thanks

[gschneid]

Nobody knows. If we did, we wouldn't be having these discussions. Best of luck to you. Goodbye

[shdc1000]

No one knows if the situation will improve. Its already been 3 years since St.Matts was disapproved. Where do you plan on transferring if you are?

[neeL24]

I have a few choices, two are on the cali list, two are not, but at least they are not dissapproved. The only thing holding me back from transferring is that I do not want it to affect my chances of getting residency. If that were not an issue I'd transfer in a heart beat..

[neeL24]

by on the cali list I mean two are approved and two others are not dissapproved but are not approved either.

[shdc1000]

I don't think it will affect your residency. You just have to explain why you transferred. Since you didn't fail or got disciplined or some other reason, you should be ok.

[OTF]

I am considering transferring to another school because of the ridiculous number of states adopting the cali rule. Many of the state boards I contacted that follow cali say they will accept the school of graduation while some say they will not and require all four years at a cali approved school. Right now I am eligible for the states I want to practice in but I feel like in the near future many more states will follow california. I don't like the feeling of uncertainty on whether I will be able to practice medicine. In regards to whether the school can do anything about it, I doubt it, if a states wants to adopt the list it will, however the only hope is getting approved by the state of california. I believe that is a long process. My question is, does anybody know if the situation will improve and have any suggestions for me, should I transfer or stick it out here?
Thanks

If you don't do all you medical education at a Cali approved school you aren't Cali approved even if you go to a cali approved school later to finish. If you switch and want Cali approval you have to redo all your education done at the original unapproved school.

[neeL24]

Will it affect my chances of getting an interview if I transfer? Meaning will they be like this dude transferred from one carribean school to another and avoid giving me the interview?...just for peoples info I'm a little less than half way through

[neeL24]

OTF,
i realize I can't practice in cali, but I called some of the state boards that follow the cali list and some of them said that as long as I graduate from a cali approved school I will be eligible while other state boards said I still won't be eligible..

[spreebee]

OTF,
i realize I can't practice in cali, but I called some of the state boards that follow the cali list and some of them said that as long as I graduate from a cali approved school I will be eligible while other state boards said I still won't be eligible..

Transfer to one of the big 4, and then austrailia or europe if that doesn't work... Most schools that arn't Caribbean that are in Europe or Austrailia have cali approval....

[OTF]

OTF,
i realize I can't practice in cali, but I called some of the state boards that follow the cali list and some of them said that as long as I graduate from a cali approved school I will be eligible while other state boards said I still won't be eligible..

That's interesting that some states that follow Cali list don't follow it in the case of transfers. That could open a legal loophole for people to challenge the validity of those states using the Cali list at all.

[neeL24]

I don't think it will open any loopholes, nothing will change...And also it was the case in only two of the four states I called so its not too much a big deal but it suggests in the future that some states may care about the school of graduation while some may be strict and want the whole thing at cali approved school....either way the whole system is screwed up and I'm trying to decide if I should make a move to another school and what the consequences will be...

[camryllionareMD]

If you don't do all you medical education at a Cali approved school you aren't Cali approved even if you go to a cali approved school later to finish. If you switch and want Cali approval you have to redo all your education done at the original unapproved school.
Yep, SMU on your transcript is like an incurable STD, if you got it you got it regardless where you go after that. Can't be undone.

[neeL24]

That is true but two states I called said they care about the school of graduation, however these rules may and probably will change so your analogy of it being like an std is true...the only option that is a good option is getting accepted as a transfer in the US and thats like a one in a trillion chance..

[WSUCougar]

Yep, SMU on your transcript is like an incurable STD, if you got it you got it regardless where you go after that. Can't be undone.

LOL...... hey CamryllionareMD, I'm going to start writing down all of the analagies you've made comparing SMU.

[MadameMedecin]

I heard that SGU, and Ross don't accept transfers from schools that don't have all 50 states approval. So if you transferred, you would have to start from scratch.

[WSUCougar]

I heard that SGU, and Ross don't accept transfers from schools that don't have all 50 states approval. So if you transferred, you would have to start from scratch.

SGU yes, Ross you don't have to. They give you the choice of starting all over to have 50 states, or continuing where you are and not having all 50 states.

[neeL24]

wsucougar is correct...the only problem I have with transferring like I mentioned earlier is how it may affect getting residency and future licensing issues...alot of thins in this business are not clear cut and what may be true today of something may not be so in the future...

[camryllionareMD]

If you start over you will lose time you put in but for the price of peace of mind of where you plan to practice it'll be priceless. Some of us have no family or marriage ties so we can move wherever. Others are married with kids or have family in states using the Cali list so that's a different matter. If you're in a position where not living in state x will lower your quality of life, (you have family there etc) look into that states' requirements and if you have to, start over. The rest of your life is a long long time.

Personally, I have no ties anywhere. I'm a lonely single person with no-one begging me not to leave 'em and I have no kids to feed. No grandparents they need to be near to. So if I say gee, Kansas looks nice, and then find out they're using Cali list, I'll say "whatever", pack my gypsy suitcase and move to Florida or New York. I don't lose sleep at night waking up in a cold sweat at the thought of not living in Cali or Arkansas. But that's me. Everybody's got a different story.

Back to patho....

[neeL24]

camrillyllionaremd,
I agree with you as I'm also like you, but when you say u don't loose sleep over california, arkansas ect, thats fine and all but thats how it is today...what if in a few months its california, arkansas and hypothetically georgia or another state?....and the list goes on....the solution is a simple one, but it seems that some people in charge either don't have our best interests in mind or lack common sense...the answer to this problem is to fix the deficiencies that they said we have and reapply, it's really that simple......But why hasn't this been done yet?...often u hear people say something like we shouldn't apply until we are ready...but are the people in charge making an effort to get ready?...Perhaps they are I'm no longer on the island but when the students are deceived quite often, its hard to believe that anything is getting done...

[BTP Julian]

i feel that in the future....all states are going to allow students in all carib schools in.... more and more dr.'s to date are from out of the country. very few are from the US, as you can tell by the application process...... 100/2000 .... i mean come on... on average 45% of students that apply in the US get in...thats it... 50,000 applicants less than 25,000 students.

[neeL24]

The reality is the opposite, states are creating more "dissapproved" school lists which doesn't make much sense considering theres a shortage of doctors...for example sometime soon Arkansas will publish their dissapproved school list and St. Matthews is on it by default due to California...Does anybody know how we can get in contact with someone high up?

[camryllionareMD]

The reality is the opposite, states are creating more "dissapproved" school lists which doesn't make much sense considering theres a shortage of doctors...for example sometime soon Arkansas will publish their dissapproved school list and St. Matthews is on it by default due to California...Does anybody know how we can get in contact with someone high up?
The reason I don't fear having an MD and working at Wendy's:
#1: There's a doctor shortage- at the very worst, I'll end up where I hate, but I'll still be working
#2: I've met too many doctors from 3rd world countries (disclaimer below for other readers) that practice just fine (after retaking step 1 etc of course). The only ones I've met that weren't practicing hadn't passed the boards and gave up on it.

P.S. I'm NOT saying 3rd world doctors are less qualified, some are even more qualified as seen by evidence on our own TLC channel where an Egyptian doctor performed a multi-organ transplant that no American doctor could do, and saved the child's life.