licensing

[RDGJD]

I've watched this Board for a while, especially the back and forth about clinicals, state licensure etc. Lots of recrimination on both sides, it seems. I have been seriously looking at St. Chris...I completed a semester at Ross before having to leave due to a family illness and eventual death. I've been offered a chance to go back, but frankly I like the St. Chris model, its location, and its philosophy. But all of that is meaningless, of course, if licensure is impossible, or even in doubt.

Below is Virginia's Regulations for licensure of FMGs, in pertinent part. From my research, it is quite similar to the majority of state licensing regs out there. For those in the know, can and does the program at St. Chris meet these requirements:

1. Was enrolled and physically in attendance at the institution's principal site for a minimum of two consecutive years and fulfilled at least half of the degree requirements while enrolled two consecutive academic years at the institution's principal site.

3. Has obtained a certificate from the Educational Council of Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG), or its equivalent. Proof of licensure by the board of another state or territory of the United States or a province of Canada may be accepted in lieu of ECFMG certification.

4. Has had supervised clinical training as a part of his curriculum in an approved hospital, institution or school of medicine offering an approved residency program in the specialty area for the clinical training received, if such training was received in the United States.

The bolded parts are tricky qualifiers, it seems to me. In any case, I'd really appreciate any feedback, as I (and many others browsing this forum) have an important decision to make. Thanks VERY much.

[teratos]

Principle site should be the country of charter. G

[leloz]

I too am from Virginia and contacted M. Ola Powers of the Virginia Board of Medicine directly about this late last week. I can forward you the email, just PM me for details.
Regards,
Lelo

[AUCMD2006]

principal site: no because SC keeps saying their principal site is in senegal but basic sciences are held in luton.

approved site for rotations: don't know their clinicals are top secret because people will call pretending to be sc students and steal them and the only clinical that was revealed is not green book so it doesn't meet it.

[bts4202]

UHH, actually, you should contact the state board to get a real answer.

Please notice that this also says:

1. Was enrolled and physically in attendance at the institution's principal site for a minimum of two consecutive years and fulfilled at least half of the degree requirements while enrolled two consecutive academic years at the institution's principal site.

That does not say most of two years or part of two years, that says a minimum of two years. That would mean that Ross, SMU, Spartan, and other schools would then be ineligible.

[Japhethi]

UHH, actually, you should contact the state board to get a real answer.

Please notice that this also says:

1. Was enrolled and physically in attendance at the institution's principal site for a minimum of two consecutive years and fulfilled at least half of the degree requirements while enrolled two consecutive academic years at the institution's principal site.

That does not say most of two years or part of two years, that says a minimum of two years. That would mean that Ross, SMU, Spartan, and other schools would then be ineligible.

It is quite clear that the requirement is not two calender years, but two years out of medical school, calculated as academic years.

I hope you see the difference between being in the Caribbean for 20 months (including a summer semester) and being 0 months in the place the school is "located"..
Leave the reasoning to u ;)

[bts4202]

Yes, I see that, but YOU missed my point. Ross and Spartan only spends 16 months in the country of charter. SMU students in the masters program only spend 12 months in the country of charter. That is not "a minimum of two consecutive years".

[FLK]

Yes, I see that, but YOU missed my point. Ross and Spartan only spends 16 months in the country of charter. SMU students in the masters program only spend 12 months in the country of charter. That is not "a minimum of two consecutive years".

Mommy, Johnny jumped off the roof. Can I do it too?

Make sure when they pull you out of residency orientation since your school is in violation of some state law, that you take the SMU masters students with you. That will make it OK

[Picard]

SC cannot have it both ways. Since it states that its main campus is in Senegal... then I suspect that their Luton students are not eligible for licensure in VA. I could be wrong. But that's how I would interpret the laws.

As for doing rotations only in hospitals that have residency programs in the specialty of rotation. This is what I've been saying all along. Having a family practice residency is NOT enough to cover all rotations. Family practice residency is only good for family practice rotation. So, for instance, a while ago SC states it has/had a site in Colorado that folks were doing surgery rotation... well, if memory serves me right, that hospital (name escapes me now) does not have a surgery residency (students just follow attendings around)... so students who did surgery rotation there will be in violation and not eligible.
This is why its so, so, so important that whatever rotation you do, make sure there's a residency program in that specialty at the hospital, and that your rotation is a part of that residency program...

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[bts4202]

You can not have it both ways either. If SC is ineligible, then so is SGU, Ross, SMU, Spartan, MUA Belize, and others. The wording says very specifically..

1. Was enrolled and physically in attendance at the institution's principal site for a minimum of two consecutive years

Not most of the first two years, not part of the first two years, not must at least set foot in country of charter... but A MINIMUM of two consecutive years. SGU, Ross, and Spartan only spend 16 months in the country of charter. SMU only spends 12 months in the country of charter. That does not meet the requirements on the Va board as per their wording. if they choose to ignore the rules for some schools, then they must either do so for all schools OR they must enfore the rules for all schools.

[teratos]

16 months is 2 consecutice ACADEMIC years. A semester is approximately 4 months. 4 X 4 is 16....

There are 2 semesters in an academic year. They call many of these schools "accelerated programs" becuase they have 3 semseters in an academic year. So almost all of the schools are in compliance, except SMU.

For the love of God, just accept that SC may have some issues (is havings some issues, eh?) in the future because few of the students can pick out the country of charter on the map. G

[Picard]

You can not have it both ways either. If SC is ineligible, then so is SGU, Ross, SMU, Spartan, MUA Belize, and others. The wording says very specifically..


Here we go again... I guess you just can't get it though your head... Stop trying to compare SC with carib schools... it will only make you look silly.

It's been discussed to death that medical boards count academic years, not calender years.... All the schools you mentioned (except SMU) have students in their country of charter for a minimum of 2 academic years. In the case of SGU, students are in the country of charter for the entire basic science years. As discussed before (again) KMC is chartered in St. Vincent. So, when SGU students go there, they are still "in the country of charter." SGU can consider both Grenada and St. Vincent as their combined principle site because they are chartered IN BOTH COUNTRIES. Just like Univ. of West Indies have multiple campuses in Caribcom nations, EACH CHARTERED BY THEIR HOST GOVERNMENT. How is SC different? Your Luton campus is NOT chartered by its host country. Big, big difference.

Dont' have to take my word for it. Apparently the licensing boards agree with our take on the issue because SGU, Ross, AUC... etc all have licensed grads there and everywhere else. Just accpet the fact that SC has real problems in the charter department, a problem that cannot be solved with SC-Luton remaining in England.

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