My first month at Windsor

[gonewithwind]

Hello Guys;
I know, some of you are waiting for my first hand experience during the past month at Windsor. Here we go.....

As I mentioned previously in my other post that school has all the ingredients to become a top notch school if the administration gives some attention to the quality and style of education they are providing.
So far we had two monthly tests (not weekly as they advertise on their website) and next one is this coming Monday. The results of class average will shock all those who are thinking of transferring here from AUA or MUA or any other schools.

In Physio-1, according to the profs own words 68% of the class had less than 10 marks out of 25 ..u do the math. The reason i think is that out of the 25 questions 14 or so were not multiple choice, they were of matching type and the choices were not 14 but 19 or 20, so everyone just stumbled on that. The prof was kind of boasting that the class did so bad rather than considering that it was his own failure at teaching, not the class.

Some profs will test students to fail them and others will test to pass them, and most Indian profs here belong to first category unlike their North American counter part. Most of them are hard to approach and rude to students...seen if on a few occasions already. I firmly believe that how a class does in exams is the reflection of how they were taught. 10-15% failure can be a normal thing but this is just totally outrageous. I don't think USMLE format has any matching questions at all (please correct me if i am wrong).

Now to Biochemistry, here too more than 50% of the class failed. The reason might be the strong Nigerian accent of the Prof, his style of teaching and too much material that was covered in a short time (12 out 32 chapter were tested). He was covering a chapter a day and most student have another 3 subjects to study for plus some still had housing issues and getting used to the new "fascinating" environment. We have seen some new faces showing up in the class until two weeks after the classes started.

U will find out so many little things about the school when u actually get here on the island that the school website or other sources won't tell you. Last semester, apparently more that 80% of premeds failed Physio and that seemed correct when i saw the hall full of retake students taking the exam this week. The school charges $100 for every retake and regular exam and at the third attempt the fee goes to $1000. Also u have to pay $100 to take a look at your exams to find out where you went wrong or just to recount your marks. It all adds up to a decent dollar amount considering the number of students failing courses, good for the school and not as good for poor students.

The school building is nice but without any generator set. The classes were canceled three times because of power failure. Considering the number of students attending school a generator set should not be too much to ask for.

Other than that all is good, just wish that i had known of all this before i transferred. There are a few more transferred students that i know off, who are not very happy with their decision specially who transferred coz of low tuition fees. So think twice before you transfer. U will face profs who will teach from the slides in class and will refuse to give the same to the students coz the slide they are teaching from are not theirs but made by some other prof. When students asked him to give the slides he said..read the books (physio-2).

I will try to post again sometime next month. Please post any questions that u might have on here and i will try my best to reply. It would be nice if some other current students can also post their replies and post their experiences as well. I hope luck will be on our side for the next week's exams. Peace!!

[Fry]

thanks for the insight...

...as much as people want to blame the profs for failing Physio, I'm going to probably be alone on this one, but what about reading BEYOND the lectures and doing questions and knowing the material beyond the daily 1hr lecture? I struggled in my MD1 here but passed and then learned that I can excel by doing questions and reading from other sources to get a better foundation...

I also found the profs helpful the majority of the time. Yes, their attitude might be different than those from other schools in the US, but this isnt the US.


For any students planning on coming here expecting an easy ride as a transfer or even a fresh student...come to the school and see the facilities before hand. Then decide. I dont think anyone would disagree with this idea.


BTW, for our Biochem, it was the same...three tests...with the lipincotts book divided equally...it was hard indeed, but many passed. There are other resources, the textbook does not have an accent nor did the kaplan PDF files that many students are floating around. - I'm not being harsh, so please dont take it like that.

[Baadshah]

thanks for the insight...

...as much as people want to blame the profs for failing Physio, I'm going to probably be alone on this one, but what about reading BEYOND the lectures and doing questions and knowing the material beyond the daily 1hr lecture? I struggled in my MD1 here but passed and then learned that I can excel by doing questions and reading from other sources to get a better foundation...

I also found the profs helpful the majority of the time. Yes, their attitude might be different than those from other schools in the US, but this isnt the US.


For any students planning on coming here expecting an easy ride as a transfer or even a fresh student...come to the school and see the facilities before hand. Then decide. I dont think anyone would disagree with this idea.


BTW, for our Biochem, it was the same...three tests...with the lipincotts book divided equally...it was hard indeed, but many passed. There are other resources, the textbook does not have an accent nor did the kaplan PDF files that many students are floating around. - I'm not being harsh, so please dont take it like that.





What other sources were you studying from? Review books? What questions are refering to? I am sorry but I am not a student yet. I just applied recently. I am saying this because I really want to study and work harder in the future. So please help me. If there's a web site, then give me the correct link so that I won't waste hours on the computer.
You can also pm for futher information.

Thank You Fry

[windsorMD]

if you guys are struggling with matching questions, then how do you expect to pass a usmle style exam?

this happens every single semester. since 200% of the students that apply get in, you can expect only 20% to do well and actually passs.

[gonewithwind]

Edited post due to personal insults......MOD!

[kryptik]

is it just me or is it getting hot in here?

[windsorMD]

this happens every single semester. since 200% of the students that apply get in, you can expect only 20% to do well and actually passs.

If u have any comments about the post or any other information, that will help future students, u r welcome to reply...otherwise dont tell me if i belong to 180% or not. Tell me if anything u find in my post is not true or not based on facts. Did u saw anything in my post that indicates that i need your help or i failed any thing...*****************.

no i clearly misunderstood you, you do not belong to the 180%. I was unable to saw anything in your above post. you do not need any help whatsoever. you are great my friend.

[kryptik]

usually people that do well on a test dont rant about it.

[websniff]

this happens every single semester. since 200% of the students that apply get in, you can expect only 20% to do well and actually passs. I guess you are a part of the 180%. And yes, I said 180%.

If u have any comments about the post or any other information, that will help future students, u r welcome to reply...otherwise dont tell me if i belong to 180% or not. Tell me if anything u find in my post is not true or not based on facts. Did u saw anything in my post that indicates that i need your help or i failed any thing...read up again and stop judging people .

Hey..no need for disrespect, words like "moron" aint used here....Those guys could still give u lotta dvice even though ur already there and feel you completely know whatsup, WindsorMD is far above you by class and could advice you.....Be humble and no cursing please

[the sheriff]

i am trying to get a frame of reference and i was just wondering after attending windsor would any of you guys have made a different decision. ie would you have rather gone somewhere else such as Ross?

The reason i am asking is because i have gotten into windsor for sept 2008 but i am still deciding on what the best course of action would be for my future.

[windsorMD]

if you've gotten into Ross, then do not make the mistake of coming to Windsor instead.

[MatCFAMD]

Now why would you say that ?

if you've gotten into Ross, then do not make the mistake of coming to Windsor instead.

Windsor may be a young school and underfunded -- unlike Ross or St. George -- but give it a few more years it will be at par with these two (I hope!). Largely, it is the quality of students that make a school's reputation. After over a decade or two and the school becomes financially sound and established, then it can get the state approvals that others have, then it can raise the bar, amongst others.

[MatCFAMD]

Hello Guys;
I know, some of you are waiting for my first hand experience during the past month at Windsor. Here we go.....

As I mentioned previously in my other post that school has all the ingredients to become a top notch school if the administration gives some attention to the quality and style of education they are providing.
So far we had two monthly tests (not weekly as they advertise on their website) and next one is this coming Monday. The results of class average will shock all those who are thinking of transferring here from AUA or MUA or any other schools.

What’s the big deal if it’s monthly or weekly ? This is only one of the typical variabilities in different classes.


In Physio-1, according to the profs own words 68% of the class had less than 10 marks out of 25 ..u do the math. The reason i think is that out of the 25 questions 14 or so were not multiple choice, they were of matching type and the choices were not 14 but 19 or 20, so everyone just stumbled on that. The prof was kind of boasting that the class did so bad rather than considering that it was his own failure at teaching, not the class. [\quote]

I’ve seen samples of USMLE Step 1 questions, and even MCCEE (not official of course), there are matching types also like that, you have to pick several answers out of several choices!

[quote]
Some profs will test students to fail them and others will test to pass them, and most Indian profs here belong to first category unlike their North American counter part. Most of them are hard to approach and rude to students...seen if on a few occasions already. I firmly believe that how a class does in exams is the reflection of how they were taught. 10-15% failure can be a normal thing but this is just totally outrageous. I don't think USMLE format has any matching questions at all (please correct me if i am wrong). [\quote]

It’s a very contentious argument, is it the prof intentionally wanting to fail the students ? or are the students a bit relaxed and have lower expectation of the toughness of the questions? Even with 68% failure rate on one exam does not support the argument that it is the prof to be blamed. I’m not saying it is the class either. I’m saying, your argument cannot be tested to support your theory that the profs are incompetent, which is what you are saying (re: reflection of their teaching). How about this, there are classes where there are incompetent teachers but the class pass rate is so ‘outrageously’ (to use your adjective) high.

[quote]
Now to Biochemistry, here too more than 50% of the class failed. The reason might be the strong Nigerian accent of the Prof, his style of teaching and too much material that was covered in a short time (12 out 32 chapter were tested). He was covering a chapter a day and most student have another 3 subjects to study for plus some still had housing issues and getting used to the new "fascinating" environment. We have seen some new faces showing up in the class until two weeks after the classes started.

I have been to many classes where the teachers have heavy accent as well, but the class is not 50% failure rate. Do you see now where I’m coming from ? You have to look at both sides, the teaching and the quality of students.


U will find out so many little things about the school when u actually get here on the island that the school website or other sources won't tell you. Last semester, apparently more that 80% of premeds failed Physio and that seemed correct when i saw the hall full of retake students taking the exam this week. The school charges $100 for every retake and regular exam and at the third attempt the fee goes to $1000. Also u have to pay $100 to take a look at your exams to find out where you went wrong or just to recount your marks. It all adds up to a decent dollar amount considering the number of students failing courses, good for the school and not as good for poor students.

Never mind the premed, from high school to Physiology, it’s already a big leap. Not that I undermine your point, but it still does not support your argument that teaching quality is the culprit. It is possible to shine even in a mediocre school. It is also quite possible to see half the class failed in a highly reputable school.


The school building is nice but without any generator set. The classes were canceled three times because of power failure. Considering the number of students attending school a generator set should not be too much to ask for.

This happens too in many financially-challenged schools, and their students still do remarkably well. The first point in saying this is, you know you are in a privately funded but financially challenged school, but your success still rests on what you make out of your education. The second point is, Is it impossible for ALL students at Windsor to pass the USMLE Step 1 with high scores ? It is only to an extent that you can teach and support students to guarantee success, but it is the individual effort that is the largest, if not the sole, contributor.


Other than that all is good, just wish that i had known of all this before i transferred. There are a few more transferred students that i know off, who are not very happy with their decision specially who transferred coz of low tuition fees. So think twice before you transfer. U will face profs who will teach from the slides in class and will refuse to give the same to the students coz the slide they are teaching from are not theirs but made by some other prof. When students asked him to give the slides he said..read the books (physio-2).

If those transferees transferred due to poor academic performance, and now they are failing again, and then you are saying it is the teaching quality that is poor, I hope you see an immediate flaw in your logic. Not to sound condescending, but when a school is underfunded it is always easier to blame the school/teachers when a student fails. There are many schools that are also underfunded and the students do very well.


I will try to post again sometime next month. Please post any questions that u might have on here and i will try my best to reply. It would be nice if some other current students can also post their replies and post their experiences as well. I hope luck will be on our side for the next week's exams. Peace!!

You can still rock your Step 1 even attending Windsor, rock your clinical rotations, and the other Steps, and land a good residency program. Why do I believe that? There are thousands of them who made it, and they, too, came from many financially-challenged schools, like the one you are ranting about. Peace.

[windsorMD]

great post
are you a student at windsor ?

[MDIN2009]

You are correct...there are a few "bad apples" in every bunch. They complain when the sun is out. I mostly see this from the transfer students, they get "Kicked out" of one medical school and then try to blame another when they start making the same mistakes. In the end you have to change yourself as a student....no amount of teaching or tutoring can change that.

And as far as the power going out goes....During my final semester on the island the power was out for almost 24hrs. And this was during Finals week...we sucked it up and used candle light to study. Because in the end you are competing with US medical students for residency spots not the "lazy" guy sitting next you in class.




Windsor may be a young school and underfunded -- unlike Ross or St. George -- but give it a few more years it will be at par with these two (I hope!). Largely, it is the quality of students that make a school's reputation. After over a decade or two and the school becomes financially sound and established, then it can get the state approvals that others have, then it can raise the bar, amongst others.

[2BADoctor]

With all due respect everyone, these assumptions about transfer students and their level of intellect sound accusatory and offensive. GonewithWind's post about the first month at Windsor, I found informative and insightful. He(she?) was saying like it was on a first hand experience.(mind you, the name calling was not appropriate either) He was merely requesting others to post their experiences as well but there were not very many replies from current students or helpful advice about how to overcome the barriers with the heavy accent. I myself am a transfer student who left my other med school for other personal reasons other than being "kicked out" or failing. Rather, I left with First Class Honours. I appreciate Gone with Wind's post as I'm sure Prospective students will also and would also appreciate some tips on how to better understand the lecturer(s) or prepare for the exams. Med School is tough enough as it is without our fellow classmates bashing our intellect.

[Fry]

I'm sorry, but did I read correct? You left another school with First Class Honors to come to Windsor?

[alQurayshee]

I'm sorry, but did I read correct? You left another school with First Class Honors to come to Windsor?

should i remind you that there are other reasons besides failing that a student comes to windsor........

[Baadshah]

thanks for the insight...

...as much as people want to blame the profs for failing Physio, I'm going to probably be alone on this one, but what about reading BEYOND the lectures and doing questions and knowing the material beyond the daily 1hr lecture? I struggled in my MD1 here but passed and then learned that I can excel by doing questions and reading from other sources to get a better foundation...

I also found the profs helpful the majority of the time. Yes, their attitude might be different than those from other schools in the US, but this isnt the US.


For any students planning on coming here expecting an easy ride as a transfer or even a fresh student...come to the school and see the facilities before hand. Then decide. I dont think anyone would disagree with this idea.


BTW, for our Biochem, it was the same...three tests...with the lipincotts book divided equally...it was hard indeed, but many passed. There are other resources, the textbook does not have an accent nor did the kaplan PDF files that many students are floating around. - I'm not being harsh, so please dont take it like that.


I agree. As long as you can work harder enough, you can definitely win on your part. There many review books available out there, just keep searching until you are satisify.

[ag14]

I just wanted to point out that my first hand experience with most students at windsor is that many of the students themselves are to blame for their failure. Doing poorly on a physio test with multiple choice rather than a multiple choice test only shows a lack of the students own knowledge. Everything you are learning is fair game, so there is no point in blaming the teacher for challenging you. And there was that 32% of the class that did pass, which is probably about the percentage of students that actually take their whole medical school seriously in your class.

You also state that "Some profs will test students to fail them and others will test to pass them, and most Indian profs here belong to first category unlike their North American counter part. " Well since you've only been at Windsor for a month, I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion, especially when their are many many students who have never failed a test yet, let alone a class. Having gone to Windsor since MD 1 now, I have never come across this so called prof who wants to fail a student. Have you ever even communicated with the profs outside of the classroom? Maybe you should try, and then judge them accordingly, since they are some of the most geniunly nice people I have met.

"Most of them are hard to approach and rude to students...seen if on a few occasions already. " As for this statement, all I have to ask is have you seen the line-up infront of Dr. Sundaresh's office everyday? If you really would like to talk to him, or the other professurs maybe you should join the line. Actually, most of them don't even have line-ups and are in their offices or walking around campus, so I really do not see what you are complaining about here. Don't you see your prof in class everyday? Maybe you could catch him then?

"I firmly believe that how a class does in exams is the reflection of how they were taught. 10-15% failure can be a normal thing but this is just totally outrageous." Well, do you want to be spoon-fed everything by the prof, have a take-home exam, get 90's at Windsor and fail the USMLE. I didn't think so. There have been and always will be the few studens who still manage to get very good marks, dispite the high failure rate of their fellow classmates. This just goes to show what hard work can do, and what exactly your competition is.

"Now to Biochemistry, here too more than 50% of the class failed. The reason might be the strong Nigerian accent of the Prof, his style of teaching and too much material that was covered in a short time (12 out 32 chapter were tested). " This statement just pissed me off. First of all, the first 12 chapters are on what? Amino acids, Enzymes, rate of reaction, glycolysis etc.? We've been at school for 6 weeks now, thats plenty of time to study these chapters, many of your seniors have done it successfully. Second of all, Dr. Ameka is one of the best prof's there, he may have an accent, he is a very articulate man, one of the best profs by far to my standard, and also someone who jokes around with the students outside of class. Maybe you just need someone to blame for yourself obviously being one of the many who failed. Tommorow when you go to class, pay attention to what he's saying, and not how in terms of his accent. If anything, the text book is in plain english isn't it? That's all you really need, since his test and exam are VERY fair, especially if you put in the effort to study. And also, why would you need more than a day to cover a chapter a day in the first 12 chapters, when its all basic information you should have have done in high school at least, maybe not in as much detail, but still it is familiar information.

"We have seen some new faces showing up in the class until two weeks after the classes started." I don't really know what you are trying to say here, but all I have to say is how are new students coming affecting you? Just pay attention in class who cares who is there and who is not.

"Last semester, apparently more that 80% of premeds failed Physio and that seemed correct when i saw the hall full of retake students taking the exam this week." First, I would like to say that this is FALSE, my cousin was in that class, and i know first hand that not many people failed, only the ones that are ment to fail. And secondly, did you happen to glance at the exam papers of these re-writers? Well if you had, you would have noticed that many of the classes that had retakes were clubbed into one room, so not all these students were from that physio class per se. What were you doing in a retake room anyway?

"The school charges $100 for every retake and regular exam and at the third attempt the fee goes to $1000. Also u have to pay $100 to take a look at your exams to find out where you went wrong or just to recount your marks. " Yes, thanks for re-stating what is already on the school website.

"The school building is nice but without any generator set. The classes were canceled three times because of power failure. Considering the number of students attending school a generator set should not be too much to ask for." Maybe you should make this suggestion. But you have to admit that at the time you were joyous at the thought of class being canceled, I know I was, so I don't know why you are complaining now. If you really feel deprived of class, I'm sure the prof's wouldn't mind giving extra classes, especially Dr. Sunderesh.

" U will face profs who will teach from the slides in class and will refuse to give the same to the students coz the slide they are teaching from are not theirs but made by some other prof. When students asked him to give the slides he said..read the books (physio-2)." Well, due to the poor grammer, you sound more nigerian to be than Dr. Ameka. From what i understand though, you want slides that the teacher used? If Dr. Garg is using slides that were used previously, they are probably Dr. Shoba's, and if you were that desprete to get these slides, you could have asked one of us who have already taken physio-2. I do want to add though that you could also write down any important info that you believe would not be in the book (I don't know why it wouldn't be in the book) so that you have if for your reference later, while you are READING THE BOOK.
Sorry you just make me laugh, you seem like you want to do well, yet you want to rely on slides to give you the information a potiential doctor needs? Maybe theres a relation to this attachment to slides and you transferring to Windsor.

"It would be nice if some other current students can also post their replies and post their experiences as well"
Well this is my experience at Windsor: I came to class, payed attention, learned, havn't failed anything yet, had fun along the way, developed a great relationship with many of the profs, and am successfully in MD3. In the end it all depends on how badly you want this, you have to know why you are here at Windsor or any other medical school, only then will you be successful. Maybe if 100% of the class failed badly, it would raise concern, but if there are still a few people with the 80's and 90's then there is no reason the rest of the class shouldn't have those marks also, I mean come on your in medical school

-A.Grewal

[MDIN2009]

AG,

Thanks for the "other side" of the story. There are always two sides to everything and I'm more inclined to believe yours.

[alQurayshee]

I just wanted to point out that my first hand experience with most students at windsor is that many of the students themselves are to blame for their failure. Doing poorly on a physio test with multiple choice rather than a multiple choice test only shows a lack of the students own knowledge. Everything you are learning is fair game, so there is no point in blaming the teacher for challenging you. And there was that 32% of the class that did pass, which is probably about the percentage of students that actually take their whole medical school seriously in your class.

You also state that "Some profs will test students to fail them and others will test to pass them, and most Indian profs here belong to first category unlike their North American counter part. " Well since you've only been at Windsor for a month, I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion, especially when their are many many students who have never failed a test yet, let alone a class. Having gone to Windsor since MD 1 now, I have never come across this so called prof who wants to fail a student. Have you ever even communicated with the profs outside of the classroom? Maybe you should try, and then judge them accordingly, since they are some of the most geniunly nice people I have met.

"Most of them are hard to approach and rude to students...seen if on a few occasions already. " As for this statement, all I have to ask is have you seen the line-up infront of Dr. Sundaresh's office everyday? If you really would like to talk to him, or the other professurs maybe you should join the line. Actually, most of them don't even have line-ups and are in their offices or walking around campus, so I really do not see what you are complaining about here. Don't you see your prof in class everyday? Maybe you could catch him then?

"I firmly believe that how a class does in exams is the reflection of how they were taught. 10-15% failure can be a normal thing but this is just totally outrageous." Well, do you want to be spoon-fed everything by the prof, have a take-home exam, get 90's at Windsor and fail the USMLE. I didn't think so. There have been and always will be the few studens who still manage to get very good marks, dispite the high failure rate of their fellow classmates. This just goes to show what hard work can do, and what exactly your competition is.

"Now to Biochemistry, here too more than 50% of the class failed. The reason might be the strong Nigerian accent of the Prof, his style of teaching and too much material that was covered in a short time (12 out 32 chapter were tested). " This statement just pissed me off. First of all, the first 12 chapters are on what? Amino acids, Enzymes, rate of reaction, glycolysis etc.? We've been at school for 6 weeks now, thats plenty of time to study these chapters, many of your seniors have done it successfully. Second of all, Dr. Ameka is one of the best prof's there, he may have an accent, he is a very articulate man, one of the best profs by far to my standard, and also someone who jokes around with the students outside of class. Maybe you just need someone to blame for yourself obviously being one of the many who failed. Tommorow when you go to class, pay attention to what he's saying, and not how in terms of his accent. If anything, the text book is in plain english isn't it? That's all you really need, since his test and exam are VERY fair, especially if you put in the effort to study. And also, why would you need more than a day to cover a chapter a day in the first 12 chapters, when its all basic information you should have have done in high school at least, maybe not in as much detail, but still it is familiar information.

"We have seen some new faces showing up in the class until two weeks after the classes started." I don't really know what you are trying to say here, but all I have to say is how are new students coming affecting you? Just pay attention in class who cares who is there and who is not.

"Last semester, apparently more that 80% of premeds failed Physio and that seemed correct when i saw the hall full of retake students taking the exam this week." First, I would like to say that this is FALSE, my cousin was in that class, and i know first hand that not many people failed, only the ones that are ment to fail. And secondly, did you happen to glance at the exam papers of these re-writers? Well if you had, you would have noticed that many of the classes that had retakes were clubbed into one room, so not all these students were from that physio class per se. What were you doing in a retake room anyway?

"The school charges $100 for every retake and regular exam and at the third attempt the fee goes to $1000. Also u have to pay $100 to take a look at your exams to find out where you went wrong or just to recount your marks. " Yes, thanks for re-stating what is already on the school website.

"The school building is nice but without any generator set. The classes were canceled three times because of power failure. Considering the number of students attending school a generator set should not be too much to ask for." Maybe you should make this suggestion. But you have to admit that at the time you were joyous at the thought of class being canceled, I know I was, so I don't know why you are complaining now. If you really feel deprived of class, I'm sure the prof's wouldn't mind giving extra classes, especially Dr. Sunderesh.

" U will face profs who will teach from the slides in class and will refuse to give the same to the students coz the slide they are teaching from are not theirs but made by some other prof. When students asked him to give the slides he said..read the books (physio-2)." Well, due to the poor grammer, you sound more nigerian to be than Dr. Ameka. From what i understand though, you want slides that the teacher used? If Dr. Garg is using slides that were used previously, they are probably Dr. Shoba's, and if you were that desprete to get these slides, you could have asked one of us who have already taken physio-2. I do want to add though that you could also write down any important info that you believe would not be in the book (I don't know why it wouldn't be in the book) so that you have if for your reference later, while you are READING THE BOOK.
Sorry you just make me laugh, you seem like you want to do well, yet you want to rely on slides to give you the information a potiential doctor needs? Maybe theres a relation to this attachment to slides and you transferring to Windsor.

"It would be nice if some other current students can also post their replies and post their experiences as well"
Well this is my experience at Windsor: I came to class, payed attention, learned, havn't failed anything yet, had fun along the way, developed a great relationship with many of the profs, and am successfully in MD3. In the end it all depends on how badly you want this, you have to know why you are here at Windsor or any other medical school, only then will you be successful. Maybe if 100% of the class failed badly, it would raise concern, but if there are still a few people with the 80's and 90's then there is no reason the rest of the class shouldn't have those marks also, I mean come on your in medical school

-A.Grewal

werd......

gluck on microbio this week....i knw i need it

[geese]

Violation of TOS....

[geese]

Violation of TOS....

[geese]

p.s. i can't believe you guys actually waste time reading this crap

[ag14]

lol ok "geese", so did you, and **update** there is now a generator in case the electricity goes out

[MDIN2009]

Nice work on the generator...one step at a time.

lol ok "geese", so did you, and **update** there is now a generator in case the electricity goes out

[alQurayshee]

lol ok "geese", so did you, and **update** there is now a generator in case the electricity goes out

yeay yeaaaa

[windsorMD]

p.s. i can't believe you guys actually waste time reading this crap

i can't believe you actually waste time writing crap like this and admitting that you read crap like this. :twisted:

[~DaZZ|ing~]

I just wanted to point out that my first hand experience with most students at windsor is that many of the students themselves are to blame for their failure. Doing poorly on a physio test with multiple choice rather than a multiple choice test only shows a lack of the students own knowledge. Everything you are learning is fair game, so there is no point in blaming the teacher for challenging you. And there was that 32% of the class that did pass, which is probably about the percentage of students that actually take their whole medical school seriously in your class.

You also state that "Some profs will test students to fail them and others will test to pass them, and most Indian profs here belong to first category unlike their North American counter part. " Well since you've only been at Windsor for a month, I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion, especially when their are many many students who have never failed a test yet, let alone a class. Having gone to Windsor since MD 1 now, I have never come across this so called prof who wants to fail a student. Have you ever even communicated with the profs outside of the classroom? Maybe you should try, and then judge them accordingly, since they are some of the most geniunly nice people I have met.

"Most of them are hard to approach and rude to students...seen if on a few occasions already. " As for this statement, all I have to ask is have you seen the line-up infront of Dr. Sundaresh's office everyday? If you really would like to talk to him, or the other professurs maybe you should join the line. Actually, most of them don't even have line-ups and are in their offices or walking around campus, so I really do not see what you are complaining about here. Don't you see your prof in class everyday? Maybe you could catch him then?

"I firmly believe that how a class does in exams is the reflection of how they were taught. 10-15% failure can be a normal thing but this is just totally outrageous." Well, do you want to be spoon-fed everything by the prof, have a take-home exam, get 90's at Windsor and fail the USMLE. I didn't think so. There have been and always will be the few studens who still manage to get very good marks, dispite the high failure rate of their fellow classmates. This just goes to show what hard work can do, and what exactly your competition is.

"Now to Biochemistry, here too more than 50% of the class failed. The reason might be the strong Nigerian accent of the Prof, his style of teaching and too much material that was covered in a short time (12 out 32 chapter were tested). " This statement just pissed me off. First of all, the first 12 chapters are on what? Amino acids, Enzymes, rate of reaction, glycolysis etc.? We've been at school for 6 weeks now, thats plenty of time to study these chapters, many of your seniors have done it successfully. Second of all, Dr. Ameka is one of the best prof's there, he may have an accent, he is a very articulate man, one of the best profs by far to my standard, and also someone who jokes around with the students outside of class. Maybe you just need someone to blame for yourself obviously being one of the many who failed. Tommorow when you go to class, pay attention to what he's saying, and not how in terms of his accent. If anything, the text book is in plain english isn't it? That's all you really need, since his test and exam are VERY fair, especially if you put in the effort to study. And also, why would you need more than a day to cover a chapter a day in the first 12 chapters, when its all basic information you should have have done in high school at least, maybe not in as much detail, but still it is familiar information.

"We have seen some new faces showing up in the class until two weeks after the classes started." I don't really know what you are trying to say here, but all I have to say is how are new students coming affecting you? Just pay attention in class who cares who is there and who is not.

"Last semester, apparently more that 80% of premeds failed Physio and that seemed correct when i saw the hall full of retake students taking the exam this week." First, I would like to say that this is FALSE, my cousin was in that class, and i know first hand that not many people failed, only the ones that are ment to fail. And secondly, did you happen to glance at the exam papers of these re-writers? Well if you had, you would have noticed that many of the classes that had retakes were clubbed into one room, so not all these students were from that physio class per se. What were you doing in a retake room anyway?

"The school charges $100 for every retake and regular exam and at the third attempt the fee goes to $1000. Also u have to pay $100 to take a look at your exams to find out where you went wrong or just to recount your marks. " Yes, thanks for re-stating what is already on the school website.

"The school building is nice but without any generator set. The classes were canceled three times because of power failure. Considering the number of students attending school a generator set should not be too much to ask for." Maybe you should make this suggestion. But you have to admit that at the time you were joyous at the thought of class being canceled, I know I was, so I don't know why you are complaining now. If you really feel deprived of class, I'm sure the prof's wouldn't mind giving extra classes, especially Dr. Sunderesh.

" U will face profs who will teach from the slides in class and will refuse to give the same to the students coz the slide they are teaching from are not theirs but made by some other prof. When students asked him to give the slides he said..read the books (physio-2)." Well, due to the poor grammer, you sound more nigerian to be than Dr. Ameka. From what i understand though, you want slides that the teacher used? If Dr. Garg is using slides that were used previously, they are probably Dr. Shoba's, and if you were that desprete to get these slides, you could have asked one of us who have already taken physio-2. I do want to add though that you could also write down any important info that you believe would not be in the book (I don't know why it wouldn't be in the book) so that you have if for your reference later, while you are READING THE BOOK.
Sorry you just make me laugh, you seem like you want to do well, yet you want to rely on slides to give you the information a potiential doctor needs? Maybe theres a relation to this attachment to slides and you transferring to Windsor.

"It would be nice if some other current students can also post their replies and post their experiences as well"
Well this is my experience at Windsor: I came to class, payed attention, learned, havn't failed anything yet, had fun along the way, developed a great relationship with many of the profs, and am successfully in MD3. In the end it all depends on how badly you want this, you have to know why you are here at Windsor or any other medical school, only then will you be successful. Maybe if 100% of the class failed badly, it would raise concern, but if there are still a few people with the 80's and 90's then there is no reason the rest of the class shouldn't have those marks also, I mean come on your in medical school

-A.Grewal

This is my second semester at Windsor and I agree with everything you've said. There are students here that have persevered and many others who seem to have lost their focus. At the end of the day, it's the student who chooses to make the most of his or her medical education or to discard it as a complete waste. The professors at Windsor will go out of their way for those students who take their education seriously. If you're in medical school, you must study 4 hours every single day separate of school once you go home. This is something that is repeated by the professors every single day, yet there are students who choose not to study until the night before their internals. There are others who study as much as they can and are exceling with grades in the 80s and 90s. I have seen other transfer students coming to the school comment on how the professors are teaching a lot more than what is normally expected and that it'll definitely help in the future. It's nice to hear positive feedback like that - especially when we're working our butts off out here. This is medical school and it seems as if a lot of kids here still think that they're in high school. I also don't think it's fair to continuously blame the "high school" environment on the premeds because many do take school seriously and are doing well. I understand that they're undergraduate credit hours may come into question, but I hope that their hard work pays off one day. The professors are not rude. They come from a part of the world where a certain level of respect is to be maintained in the classroom. I don't find it appropriate for a student to interrupt the professor taking attendance and holler out, "Yo! #---! You missed me on the roll call." I find that offensive, so the professor in question is bound to get upset. Windsor professors are probably amongst the few who show their concern when they see that their students are not understanding the concept being taught. They will do their best to water down the concept for everyone to understand and will only proceed further with their lecture when they are satisfied that the majority of the class understood what was taught. All of the professors are available to answer questions on the course material and will clarify concepts for you outside of the classroom.

There has been a lot of talk on the forum about tuition being raised. Memos from the dean have been released that the tuition will remain the same. They're up on the notice boards around campus.

[~DaZZ|ing~]

This is my second semester at Windsor and I agree with everything you've said. There are students here that have persevered and many others who seem to have lost their focus. At the end of the day, it's the student who chooses to make the most of his or her medical education or to discard it as a complete waste. The professors at Windsor will go out of their way for those students who take their education seriously. If you're in medical school, you must study 4 hours every single day separate of school once you go home. This is something that is repeated by the professors every single day, yet there are students who choose not to study until the night before their internals. There are others who study as much as they can and are exceling with grades in the 80s and 90s. I have seen other transfer students coming to the school comment on how the professors are teaching a lot more than what is normally expected and that it'll definitely help in the future. It's nice to hear positive feedback like that - especially when we're working our butts off out here. This is medical school and it seems as if a lot of kids here still think that they're in high school. I also don't think it's fair to continuously blame the "high school" environment on the premeds because many do take school seriously and are doing well. I understand that they're undergraduate credit hours may come into question, but I hope that their hard work pays off one day. The professors are not rude. They come from a part of the world where a certain level of respect is to be maintained in the classroom. I don't find it appropriate for a student to interrupt the professor taking attendance and holler out, "Yo! #---! You missed me on the roll call." I find that offensive, so the professor in question is bound to get upset. Windsor professors are probably amongst the few who show their concern when they see that their students are not understanding the concept being taught. They will do their best to water down the concept for everyone to understand and will only proceed further with their lecture when they are satisfied that the majority of the class understood what was taught. All of the professors are available to answer questions on the course material and will clarify concepts for you outside of the classroom.

There has been a lot of talk on the forum about tuition being raised. Memos from the dean have been released that the tuition will remain the same. They're up on the notice boards around campus.

I know nothing was said about the premeds on this thread, but I just wanted to add what I thought in my reply.

[Baadshah]

Thank you for your response. Now I am totally satisfy.

[Staedtler]

the premed is a different pack, might be the age/maturity thing, coming out from high school, etc.

on the larger scheme of things, MD students are more serious and goal-oriented, i imagine.

it's good to hear about the profs, that's really something.

thanks for the post.

This is my second semester at Windsor and I agree with everything you've said. There are students here that have persevered and many others who seem to have lost their focus. At the end of the day, it's the student who chooses to make the most of his or her medical education or to discard it as a complete waste. The professors at Windsor will go out of their way for those students who take their education seriously. If you're in medical school, you must study 4 hours every single day separate of school once you go home. This is something that is repeated by the professors every single day, yet there are students who choose not to study until the night before their internals. There are others who study as much as they can and are exceling with grades in the 80s and 90s. I have seen other transfer students coming to the school comment on how the professors are teaching a lot more than what is normally expected and that it'll definitely help in the future. It's nice to hear positive feedback like that - especially when we're working our butts off out here. This is medical school and it seems as if a lot of kids here still think that they're in high school. I also don't think it's fair to continuously blame the "high school" environment on the premeds because many do take school seriously and are doing well. I understand that they're undergraduate credit hours may come into question, but I hope that their hard work pays off one day. The professors are not rude. They come from a part of the world where a certain level of respect is to be maintained in the classroom. I don't find it appropriate for a student to interrupt the professor taking attendance and holler out, "Yo! #---! You missed me on the roll call." I find that offensive, so the professor in question is bound to get upset. Windsor professors are probably amongst the few who show their concern when they see that their students are not understanding the concept being taught. They will do their best to water down the concept for everyone to understand and will only proceed further with their lecture when they are satisfied that the majority of the class understood what was taught. All of the professors are available to answer questions on the course material and will clarify concepts for you outside of the classroom.

There has been a lot of talk on the forum about tuition being raised. Memos from the dean have been released that the tuition will remain the same. They're up on the notice boards around campus.

[Staedtler]

There seems to be proper decorum expected in class, it's a good thing. Things may be different, but shouldn't be an issue. And with the profs making themselves available for questions outside the class is encouraging.