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covarubious
06-06-2008, 11:16 AM
I asked as many questions as I could remember from here. Its long but very useful. Thoughts? Inconsistencies? Anybody wanna dispute anything said?



<Elizabeth-Admissions> good morning! questions?


<Shine> I was wondering if there is a deadline for fall semester

<Elizabeth-Admissions> good question, the september 2008 semester is virtually closed but we are still considering applicants for our September waitlist


<Elizabeth-Admissions> thats why we strongly recommend that applicants submit all materals at least 6 months in advance


<Shine> How many students are accepted for each term?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> 80-85 per semester


<covarubious> whats the acceptance rate per semester? are some semesters more competitive then others?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> September is by far our most competitive semester followed by January and May


<Greg930> Are there any spaces still open for this Sept2008 ?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Our acceptance rate is about 1:5, but that changes every semester


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We are still accepting applications for our September 2008 waitlist


<Hardik2112> I had a question. The prof. that have writen recommendation letters are not in the country. And thus they will not be able to fill out the special recommendation form in the Application package. Is it fine if I send recommendation letters in sealed envelopes(the prof has signed over the sea)?


<Greg930> for Sept2008 waitlist? OK.


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We do not require the LOR form, so feel free to send the letters you already have.


<covarubious> How important is mcat to an application?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> I said waitlist because the september class is basically closed. It is very late to apply for September 2008


<Elizabeth-Admissions> While most people do submit MCAT scores, they are not required for everyone


<lucky> Hello,my name is lucky.I would like to know if a person graduated in 1988 with a B.Sc in Microbiology & immunology with a GPA of 2.8,then an accounting degree with 3.27 and now retook all basic sciences over again with a 3.62 on 4 -Can I apply-what are my chances of being accepted?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We only require the MCAT from those with community college science courses, C grades or lower in sciences and required coursework older than 5 years


<covarubious> for instance, i am in university here in canada. i have a 3.8 gpa currently and will apply as soon as I have my 90 credits in may 2009. A few of those credits will be transfers from college. ( a couple english classes) will i need to write the mcat?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Lucky, that depends on a number of different factors. Such as the school where you took those courses, MCAT scores if you have a them, recommendations, etc. But your Premend GPA seems competative


<Greg930> Are applications to SABA automatically considered for MUA (if an admission to Saba is denied) ?

<Elizabeth-Admissions> Covarubious, it is unlikely that you will need to submit an MCAT if you only have English courses at the college


<hardik> Hw do we send the application fees


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Greg, many of the students who are not offered a seat at SUSOM are referred to MUA, but the process is not automatic. You must send us a written release to forward those materials


<lucky> Do you offer dual programs-in medecine and a MBA?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> You can pay the application fee with a personal check, bank check or money order


<hardik> the money order should be payable to who?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> SUSOM does not offer an MBA, but we do have partnership with the MBA program at Davenport. Feel free to contact the office for more information.


<Elizabeth-Admissions> As it states in the application form, all checks and money orders should be made payable to Saba University School of Medicine.


<Greg930> I have already graduated in 2001, with degree in Engineering, and my science prereqs except English are completed in the B ave, will you
require me to write the MCAT?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We actually do not require an English course, so you would not be required to submit MCAT scores


<Shine> Is there anyway to check the application status?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> you must contact Joanne at information@saba.edu* or call the office for that information


<covarubious> Can you tell me the difference between Matthews and hillside dorms?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> our Information Coordinator will gladly help you with that


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Matthews dorms are doubles while Hillside are quads or suites


<Elizabeth-Admissions> In both cases you share a bathroom with one other person of the same gender, but in Hillside you get a kitchen/living room area


<covarubious> Ah, cool. How are dorms assigned and can we make requests?


<Greg930> the tuition fees posted for clinicals, do they include hospital surcharges? ie, are there any additional charges on top of the clinical tuition ? just to help us in financial planning,


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Accepted applicants fill out a dorm preference form, the assignments are made on the basis of the date you satisfy our tuition requirement


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Greg, there can be depending on the hospital. Please contact the clinical office for specific information.


<covarubious> great! how early can we move in? i heard the earliest is a week befor classes?


<Shine> Are the opportunities for students those would like to do research?

<Elizabeth-Admissions> Move in dates depend on the dorm assignment. Students can usually move in to Matthews a week before and about 5 days before in Hillside


<Elizabeth-Admissions> There are numerous research opportunities on the island, primarily in the area of hyperbaric medicine


<covarubious> How easy is it to get back to Canada after graduation?


<Shine> How about clinical experiences in the first two years?


<Greg930> Can I do a rotation in Canada arranged by Saba, or do I need to arrange that myself?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> have you seen our residency match list? In 2008, our residency match rate for Canadian students looking for Canadian
residencies was about 86%.


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We offer both core and elective rotations in Canada, our classes are over 50% Canadian now


<covarubious> great! so if i wanted to practice medicine in canada after getting my usmle would i have to write more exams?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Shine, students get plenty of clinical experience on the island by participating in community health fairs and screenings for the island residents. They screen for things like diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Depends on the province in which you want to practice. Some of them require seperate exams and some dont, I recommend checking with your provincial licensing board for more inforamtion


<Greg930> If Sept2008 is pretty much closed, if I apply this month and select Jan2009 entry, how likely is the availability of space for Jan2009?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We are still accepting applications for the January 2009 semester, you should be fine as long as you apply within the next 2-3 months

<covarubious> so if i want to apply for may 2009 i should start my app in oct/nov?


<Greg930> WIll there be any "timing" problem with respect with the Match if started schooling in January (not usual Sept) ?


<Shine> I applied for Sept 08 and since it is closed, would the admission be deferred to Jan 09 then?



<covarubious> even though i would have what i need to get in yet...


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We are already recieving applications for May 2009, so I recommend applying by November or December at the latest.

<Elizabeth-Admissions> Actually January and May are the best semester start dates for Canadians, they allow you the most time to deal with extra exams, USMLE III, etc. Either way you'd be in the 2013 match


<covarubious> long does it take to complete core rotations on average?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Shine, depends when you submitted your materials, have you hear any response from the Admissions Committee? You may have made the September deadline, if not then we'll automatically look at you for January

<Elizabeth-Admissions> We currently do not have any "bench time" between rotations, but the time depends on the students. Some like extra time if they have to move sites, some purposely take time off to visit family, etc.


<covarubious> How are the match rates? What Percentage of Saba grads match somewhere (either in US or Canada) as soon as they graduate?


<Shine> I have submitted everything last week but I have not heard from the Admissions Commmittee yet


<Elizabeth-Admissions> For Canadians or U.S.? For Canadians our match rate this year was 93% for the U.S. students it was about 88%.

<Elizabeth-Admissions> Shine, if your application is complete, you should be hearing from us in the next 2-3 weeks


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Yes, we are very proud of our Canadian matches. The Canadian students are typically excellent.

<Greg930> Does Saba still send the financial aid package for student loan for those accepted?


<covarubious> great, i keep hearing that if you go to a carib school its impossible to get back to canada to practice etc. this makes me a little more hopeful


<Elizabeth-Admissions> The acceptance packets typically include any available finacial aid info, I recommend contacting Janet at finance@saba.edu for loan inforamtion.


<Shine> How much an interview process account for admission?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Covarubious, if you look at our matches, you can see that it is quite possible to get a Canadian residency


<covarubious> goes to show you should never listen to rumors ;)


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Interviews, are a major factor in our decisions. They can "make or break" the application. We really try to get to know that applicant, we want to make sure they fit at SUSOM.


<covarubious> speaking of financial aid, can you tell me anything about your loan situation? i heard theres a new thing the school is setting up...


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Yes, we are in the process of setting up a new loan program for the September 2008 semester, but you'd have to contact finance for the details.


<Shine> Are there any scholarship opportunities available?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We offer scholarships for applicants who are natives of the Netherlands-Antilles


<covarubious> so we can get more info on the financial aid chat in 2 weeks?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Thats the goal! All accepted Sept 08 students will recieve an invite shortly for the finacial aid chat.


<Greg930> How many spots roughly are you looking to fill in for January2009 Entry?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Yeah, the lending market is a bit up in the air right now but students have to have loans available. We're confident that most of these issues will be settled soon.


<covarubious> can you tell me what criteria are most important for admissions? for example, which the order of important of gpa versus referals, clinical experience etc


<Elizabeth-Admissions> The January 2009 semester will be about 80-85 students, with a rolling admission process it is impossible to tell you how many seats are left at this point


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Number one is academics (GPA, MCATs, etc.) followed by volunteer experience, referrals, etc.


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We do not accept students that we aren't 100% confident can succeed



<Shine> I heard that caribbean graduates are required to take clinical skills assessment in addition to USMLE? If I start in Jan, is the timing going to be off to take the exams?


<covarubious> whats the best idea for banking on the island? i assume american dollar is best?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Those rules went out the window over 10 years ago, Saba grads only have to the USMLE steps just like the U.S. medical students


<Elizabeth-Admissions> The currency is U.S., you can keep your own bank account and use the ATM to get cash in the island

<covarubious> What is a good health insurance plan for Canadian students?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We offer a health insurance plan of our students through CMI


<Elizabeth-Admissions>SABA Insurance Plans (http://www.cmi-insurance.com/SABA.html)
*


<Shine> How about transportation for students even though we are going to live on campus for first year?

<Greg930> what is the attrition rate for Saba?


<JoeB> Hi elizabeth, wondering if US students are at a disadvantage when applying for addmission to Saba? As far as not having loans, does Saba prefer Canadian students?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> You can get an apartment right near campus and walk, use public transportation, car pool, or get your own car


<covarubious> what are the major disadvantages of going to a Caribbean med school?


<covarubious> oh, i heard there is a bus too that can pick you up if you are off campus?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> While we are heavily Canadian, we evaluate everyone equally regardless of citizenship. As was already referenced, we are setting up a loan program for everyone starting with the Sept 08 semester


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Yup, there is a public bus route


<Greg930> There are 10 semesters and you operate on trimester basis, would you say it is possible to finish in less than four full years ?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> The disadvantages are varied, your out of the country for 2 years, depending on where you want to practice some people with have a certain stereotype. But the bottom line is that if you are a strong student and do well on your USMLEs you'll get a good residency and no one will care where you went to medical school. you can still get board certified, etc.


<JoeB> How heavily does Saba wiegh medical experience? sorry i joined late.


<Elizabeth-Admissions> The program is typically 42 months, so less than 4 years


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Academics are first priority, followed by the required clinical experience, references, etc.


<covarubious> perfect, thanks. one of the major advantages about Saba to me is location. beautiful peaceful island, no distractions. imagine, a canadian with a tan. lol


<JoeB> have you herd of any students completing the program through the VA vocational rehabiltation program?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> LOL, yes it is a lovely environment, perfect for studying with some scuba diving on the side


<Elizabeth-Admissions> We are approved for VA benefits, we have students using them now.


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Please contact Janet atfinance@saba.edu for VA benefit information


<covarubious> i was thinking of getting scuba licensing between semesters. i assume you don't have to go home between breaks? can you get off campus housing right after the first semester?


<JoeB> Great thanks, I was preapproved for that program.


<Shine> Is there flexibility in the coursework (the number of electives) and accelerate or decelerate?


<Elizabeth-Admissions> Many students get certified for scuba during the holiday breaks. All students must move off campus after the first semester, we have a housing coordinator on the island who will help you find suitable accommodations.


<Elizabeth-Admissions> last question, we do not advise any of our students to "accelerate or decelerate", the program is specifically designed to help you do well on the USMLE exams. Taking time off or rushing is never a good idea


<Elizabeth-Admissions> okay, thank you for all of the great questions! Please email me with any additional questions you'd like answered at
admissions@saba.edu!


<JoeB> are the classes taught in power point "block format"? are the exams given on individual subject or do they correlate between subjects?

<covarubious> power point and word docs

covarubious
06-06-2008, 11:17 AM
btw financial air chat is coming up. if you have questions post them here and i will ask...

Mike77
06-06-2008, 11:31 AM
btw financial air chat is coming up. if you have questions post them here and i will ask...


Wow, that chat started off with so many questions that were answered right on their website, lol. Great info, although what I really wanted to know about (the loans) wasn't answered -- as expected.

When is this loan chat? I will make sure that I am there!

VC15
06-06-2008, 11:53 AM
Can you please ask if they do not require an English course why is it on their site as one of required courses.

I hope I'm not taking it for no apparent reason.

Thanks

VC15
06-06-2008, 11:59 AM
OMG, I cant believe they changed their requirements!!!!!! Man I cant even drop the coursee now! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!

covarubious
06-06-2008, 01:07 PM
dang, they really did! thats a surprise!! thats the part of the chat that made me go hmmm... maybe shes not tellin the truth or she doesn't really know her stuff. i stand corrected! i wonder when it changed... is it too late to drop it without a penalty?
OMG, I cant believe they changed their requirements!!!!!! Man I cant even drop the coursee now! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!

covarubious
06-06-2008, 01:26 PM
yeah, i didn't bother pushing her on that point since the financial aid chat is in 2 weeks and is not really her area... the whole thing about getting back into canada was interesting though. the only thing i forgot was about the visa stuff... next chat i guess.

Wow, that chat started off with so many questions that were answered right on their website, lol. Great info, although what I really wanted to know about (the loans) wasn't answered -- as expected.

When is this loan chat? I will make sure that I am there!

wolfvgang22
06-06-2008, 01:52 PM
The only thing I really dispute is that the clinical training on the island is not very good.
Most students get only 2 to 3 days of outpatient clinic experience on the island during the physical diagnosis class (unless things have significantly changed since December 2006 when I left the island). This is no where near enough, and not even close to what students at Ross get. It is my main complaint against Saba (along with the fact they used to turn off the campus wireless until 4pm, I don't know if they are still doing that, too.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Saba in general, and physical diagnosis class was excellent. But being able to get a little practical hospital experience as a student is huge for those of us who were not involved with much inpatient care prior to med school. The tiny A.M. Edwards hospital and clinic with one attending (who I have immense respect for) is nowhere near enough to prepare us for clinicals - I'm not a dumb guy, and had some outpatient experience in other fields, but I was lost on my first rotation regarding how to be an effective 3rd year med student.

covarubious
06-06-2008, 02:03 PM
i hear you on that!! a very valid concern. i think they were trying to get more experience by having students volunteer at the hospitals too and running clinics etc on campus to try to make up for it. i really hope there is a big change before i get there but yeah, besides that, its a great place to get your education.
next chat i'll ask about the wifi. lol or actually, one of my buddies on campus now...

The only thing I really dispute is that the clinical training on the island is not very good.
Most students get only 2 to 3 days of outpatient clinic experience on the island during the physical diagnosis class (unless things have significantly changed since December 2006 when I left the island). This is no where near enough, and not even close to what students at Ross get. It is my main complaint against Saba (along with the fact they used to turn off the campus wireless until 4pm, I don't know if they are still doing that, too.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Saba in general, and physical diagnosis class was excellent. But being able to get a little practical hospital experience as a student is huge for those of us who were not involved with much inpatient care prior to med school. The tiny A.M. Edwards hospital and clinic with one attending (who I have immense respect for) is nowhere near enough to prepare us for clinicals - I'm not a dumb guy, and had some outpatient experience in other fields, but I was lost on my first rotation regarding how to be an effective 3rd year med student.

Mike77
06-06-2008, 06:57 PM
Can you please ask if they do not require an English course why is it on their site as one of required courses.

I hope I'm not taking it for no apparent reason.

Thanks

They're pretty flexible about some of their requirements. Ultimately, they want people that are going to do well on the USMLE and get a good match to make them look good. I haven't taken an English course in my life, but I've taken lots of history courses. Also, I've tutored English to students for a while as well. I told them about this, and they said it would suffice. This is one of the advantages of going to a smaller school-- they're a bit more practical on things like these. I personally would be choked if I had to take a first year English course on university writing after tutoring kids in the course for my university.

Mike77
06-06-2008, 07:00 PM
The only thing I really dispute is that the clinical training on the island is not very good.
Most students get only 2 to 3 days of outpatient clinic experience on the island during the physical diagnosis class (unless things have significantly changed since December 2006 when I left the island). This is no where near enough, and not even close to what students at Ross get. It is my main complaint against Saba (along with the fact they used to turn off the campus wireless until 4pm, I don't know if they are still doing that, too.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Saba in general, and physical diagnosis class was excellent. But being able to get a little practical hospital experience as a student is huge for those of us who were not involved with much inpatient care prior to med school. The tiny A.M. Edwards hospital and clinic with one attending (who I have immense respect for) is nowhere near enough to prepare us for clinicals - I'm not a dumb guy, and had some outpatient experience in other fields, but I was lost on my first rotation regarding how to be an effective 3rd year med student.

I have also heard that it's the main complaint about Saba, but I guess it seems like anyone would see that coming. You're on a tiny rock in the Atlantic. I suppose we'll just have to work extra hard when starting our rotations. Enough dedication will compensate (I hope)!

covarubious
06-06-2008, 07:36 PM
I assumed when they said they required an "english" course they were refering to a liberal arts type course.. like history or essays on the art of baskey weaving. ;) don't all universities require those though? unless you think you are going to bomb badly in the class though it shouldn't hurt you./\..

They're pretty flexible about some of their requirements. Ultimately, they want people that are going to do well on the USMLE and get a good match to make them look good. I haven't taken an English course in my life, but I've taken lots of history courses. Also, I've tutored English to students for a while as well. I told them about this, and they said it would suffice. This is one of the advantages of going to a smaller school-- they're a bit more practical on things like these. I personally would be choked if I had to take a first year English course on university writing after tutoring kids in the course for my university.

gumby
06-07-2008, 02:40 PM
The only thing I really dispute is that the clinical training on the island is not very good.
Most students get only 2 to 3 days of outpatient clinic experience on the island during the physical diagnosis class (unless things have significantly changed since December 2006 when I left the island). This is no where near enough, and not even close to what students at Ross get. It is my main complaint against Saba (along with the fact they used to turn off the campus wireless until 4pm, I don't know if they are still doing that, too.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Saba in general, and physical diagnosis class was excellent. But being able to get a little practical hospital experience as a student is huge for those of us who were not involved with much inpatient care prior to med school. The tiny A.M. Edwards hospital and clinic with one attending (who I have immense respect for) is nowhere near enough to prepare us for clinicals - I'm not a dumb guy, and had some outpatient experience in other fields, but I was lost on my first rotation regarding how to be an effective 3rd year med student.

I'm sorry to report that nothing has changed in this respect. The clinical experience is not nearly enough. And they still have the internet off until 4pm. However, you would like the new building. 5th semester classroom can seat 144 people, has 2 flatscreen monitors for those that sit in the back along with the big projector screen up front. And believe it or not, the classroom you did 5th in is the first semester classroom now. They opened the partition between it and the old 4th semester classroom. Just thought you might find that interesting.

wolfvgang22
06-07-2008, 02:48 PM
I do, thank you. I was just looking through numerous photos of Saba yesterday and for the first time since basic science graduation actually missed the place. Might even visit for a day trip once things settle down on my end. :)

covarubious
06-07-2008, 03:25 PM
Yeah, thats what I figured about the clinicals... Far too many peopl for just one little hospital...
Class sounds nice but boo on wifi! does this mean also in res? btw what semester are you in gumby?

I'm sorry to report that nothing has changed in this respect. The clinical experience is not nearly enough. And they still have the internet off until 4pm. However, you would like the new building. 5th semester classroom can seat 144 people, has 2 flatscreen monitors for those that sit in the back along with the big projector screen up front. And believe it or not, the classroom you did 5th in is the first semester classroom now. They opened the partition between it and the old 4th semester classroom. Just thought you might find that interesting.

Mike77
06-07-2008, 04:47 PM
Yeah, thats what I figured about the clinicals... Far too many peopl for just one little hospital...
Class sounds nice but boo on wifi! does this mean also in res? btw what semester are you in gumby?

I believe they turn the internet off because students were getting distracted in class or something? I'm guessing it doesn't mean res, but who knows.

The pictures of the new building look awesome, and it sounds pretty high-tech.

covarubious
06-08-2008, 02:12 PM
seriously? they can get into med school but can't control their own internet use? lol
where did you see the pics of the new building? the album on here?

I believe they turn the internet off because students were getting distracted in class or something? I'm guessing it doesn't mean res, but who knows.

The pictures of the new building look awesome, and it sounds pretty high-tech.

wolfvgang22
06-08-2008, 02:58 PM
Saba does treat med students a lot like children at times. As on the internet issue. However, there are a few students in each class that justify these actions. :sigh:
Saba wants students to excel and reflect well on the school. Saba wants us to make it.
It is in our interest put down our heads and work hard.
This is what the very structured and rigid medical profession requires, and is not unique to Saba. If one cannot do this medicine is not the correct field for that person.

covarubious
06-08-2008, 04:13 PM
that is always a bit of a shock. i always figured the higher the education the more serious you are about your studies. not so much. if you don't want to buckle down and concentrate then leave room for those who will...

Saba does treat med students a lot like children at times. As on the internet issue. However, there are a few students in each class that justify these actions. :sigh:
Saba wants students to excel and reflect well on the school. Saba wants us to make it.
It is in our interest put down our heads and work hard.
This is what the very structured and rigid medical profession requires, and is not unique to Saba. If one cannot do this medicine is not the correct field for that person.

KingMo
06-08-2008, 06:28 PM
that is always a bit of a shock. i always figured the higher the education the more serious you are about your studies. not so much. if you don't want to buckle down and concentrate then leave room for those who will...

Some people don't need to "buckle down" to excel in medical school. I think wolfvgang was referring more to the "few students" who slacked off and subsequently didn't do well, as opposed to students who slacked off and still did well.

covarubious
06-08-2008, 07:49 PM
i understand, my post was ment more as a generalization then directed at Saba. (thinking my schooling so far at college and uni)

Some people don't need to "buckle down" to excel in medical school. I think wolfvgang was referring more to the "few students" who slacked off and subsequently didn't do well, as opposed to students who slacked off and still did well.

aspiringmedstudent
06-08-2008, 08:08 PM
I just finished 5th on Saba and am about to start clinicals. I am glad that there was no internet access during school hours. It's easy to miss little things during class if you're not paying attention. I wouldn't be surfing the net or anything during class, but I am sucker when it comes to messengers, and would probably be logged on throughout the day. I know I would have been having conversations with friends in class, or friends at home.... And would have gotten VERY easily distracted.

Mike77
06-08-2008, 08:39 PM
I just finished 5th on Saba and am about to start clinicals. I am glad that there was no internet access during school hours. It's easy to miss little things during class if you're not paying attention. I wouldn't be surfing the net or anything during class, but I am sucker when it comes to messengers, and would probably be logged on throughout the day. I know I would have been having conversations with friends in class, or friends at home.... And would have gotten VERY easily distracted.

Yea, it couldn't hurt to have no internet in the class.

I'd probably spend most of the class time telling people on valuemd on why it's a good idea to pre-study! :)

covarubious
06-08-2008, 08:42 PM
lol tsk tsk!! little johnny sit up strait! pay attention in class and stop pulling susies hair!

I just finished 5th on Saba and am about to start clinicals. I am glad that there was no internet access during school hours. It's easy to miss little things during class if you're not paying attention. I wouldn't be surfing the net or anything during class, but I am sucker when it comes to messengers, and would probably be logged on throughout the day. I know I would have been having conversations with friends in class, or friends at home.... And would have gotten VERY easily distracted.

covarubious
06-08-2008, 08:43 PM
you trouble maker! lol you know what happens when you poke a bee hive pooh? ;)

Yea, it couldn't hurt to have no internet in the class.

I'd probably spend most of the class time telling people on valuemd on why it's a good idea to pre-study! :)