Maping out the journey-If you started in Jan

[harsy]

Hi All
Hi All
I have a question that i know many of my classmates have as well.I started in Jan and i know that there is a very small window to make the 2011 match.I received advice about the jobs out there for M.D.s but my first priority would be to get on with the program and start residency right away.
Now,as i see it,i can finish M.D.basic science by Aug 2009.If i take 6 weeks to study for the Step1 and write it in Oct(hopefully my prep during Med5 would be good enuf to take lesser time for step1).
I heard that rules have changed and we cant start any rotations untilw e get our step1 score in(ppl used to do psych rotations in the 3 weeks before??).So assuming i start in Nov2009,and 72 weeks of rotation are 1 yr,4 months and 19 days...id finish (theoratically) by end of march 2011).Obviously this is unrealistic,we have to write step2,prepare for applications,take some time between some of our rotations...

My second question ig uess would be,can we apply for residency before completing all our rotations?Whats the deal with prematch.Iknow what it is,but specific rules about it.Does it make a difference if you are Canadian?(i know that if you go thru the match,you have to wait for ur visa before u can start ur residency...how does it differ if u prematched....)

Also,how much time do you need for step2?

The news about being not able to do any rotations in the 3 weeks while you wait for ur step1 result,how accurate is that?

Whens the deadline for match applications and when do ppl start residencies??

ANY advice from Faculty and studetns who are in clincals or residency would be greatly appreciated.i know its a lot of question,but i really want to map this out right...thanks

[harsy]

Hi All
Hi All
I have a question that i know many of my classmates have as well.I started in Jan and i know that there is a very small window to make the 2011 match.I received advice about the jobs out there for M.D.s but my first priority would be to get on with the program and start residency right away.
Now,as i see it,i can finish M.D.basic science by Aug 2009.If i take 6 weeks to study for the Step1 and write it in Oct(hopefully my prep during Med5 would be good enuf to take lesser time for step1).
I heard that rules have changed and we cant start any rotations untilw e get our step1 score in(ppl used to do psych rotations in the 3 weeks before??).So assuming i start in Nov2009,and 72 weeks of rotation are 1 yr,4 months and 19 days...id finish (theoratically) by end of march 2011).Obviously this is unrealistic,we have to write step2,prepare for applications,take some time between some of our rotations...

My second question ig uess would be,can we apply for residency before completing all our rotations?Whats the deal with prematch.Iknow what it is,but specific rules about it.Does it make a difference if you are Canadian?(i know that if you go thru the match,you have to wait for ur visa before u can start ur residency...how does it differ if u prematched....)

Also,how much time do you need for step2?

The news about being not able to do any rotations in the 3 weeks while you wait for ur step1 result,how accurate is that?

Whens the deadline for match applications and when do ppl start residencies??

ANY advice from Faculty and studetns who are in clincals or residency would be greatly appreciated.i know its a lot of question,but i really want to map this out right...thanks

[apple usr]

Hello, i also started in jan and plan on making the 2011 match. what i have found out through many hours on the phone and consulting with uppers, is this...in the fall of 2009 we have to start clinicals by the 3rd week in october in order to get financial aid for the semester. furthermore, you begin interviewing for residencies october-december of 2010, and most programs will not interview with out you having taken step 2. and to take step 2, you have to finish all of your cores, that is it, you do not have to finish the associated shelf exams, though it would be of great value to you for the practice.

so if you start in mid-late october 2009, flash forward 10 months straight (length of cores) if all goes well, you are now scheduling your step 2 date in late august. well, there is usually, from what i have been told, a 1-2 month waiting list to take step 2 being as it is 2 parts and they need to get "patients" to interview, so now you are actually taking you step 2 in early october (hopefully). now while you are waiting for step 2, take your shelf exams and start electives, you may get a full 6 weeks done before step 2. if you pass and get your scores in by the november deadline for your ERAS application, then YES you will have at least a chance of being interview for the 2011 match. now you still have to finish your electives. well if you somehow manage to not miss any time from clinicals while interviewing, you are looking at 30-32 more weeks of electives (some sites make you take FP for a few weeks more) after november, so that gets you to 7.5 more months or around may-june of 2011. well, my math may be off (some) but we are certainly going to be pushing it.

well this is what i have concluded it our schedule, and i hoe it helps you.

[slevit1]

It is possible that you'll make the 2011 match, but not likely. You definitely will not have 6 weeks after you finish basic sciences to study for the step. If you wanna match in 2011, you have to be done studying and ready to take the step as soon as you leave the island (most people are not). Also, you are probably going to have to be very flexible with your rotation sites, since you won't have any time to take a break in between, or wait for a spot you want. Since the May and August class will already be in clinicals, you'll have to take whatever spots are left.

If you don't rush things, you can take more time to study, have a little time to rest between rotations, and wait to get the rotations you want and schedule the electives you want. Also, with the new curriculum, you're going to still have classes the first half of 5th semester, so you don't have the whole semester to study anymore. Keep in mind that if you rush to take the step and wind up just barely passing, that's the score you're stuck with. And, unless you want family practice, that could be a problem.

[kemper6036]

not likely....you will need to take the step shortly after leaving the island, not 6 weeks after. you must have scores in hand before you can get scheduled for clinicals. also don't forget the time it takes to find a place to live/get settled. also, based on the start dates for cores we were given from ocsa, there aren't as many for people finishing in aug. so what that means is that you will most likely be in NY or the UK which might be best for TRYING to make the 2011 match.

like slevit said you guys will have classes in 5th semester to worry about. but just to clarify, 5th semester as it is now is not just a big study-fest. you are quite busy with icm.

as an independent applicant you can prematch if the program accepts prematches. some do, some dont. residency generally starts july 15 i think.

so basically it probably isn't going to happen......the biggest problem i can see would be just barely missing the 2011 match. then what do you do when your loans go into repayment?

as a fellow january class person, i feel your pain but look on the bright side. im going to have time to prep for step 1 how i want, flexibility in cores and electives, and maybe some time off in between killer rotations!

good luck to you

[kemper6036]

wow two posts....this must really be on your mind

[georgelucas45]

yea, lets merge this with the other one... or close this one

[FOID]

oh SOE, where are you...

[FOID]

if you can start clinicals by nov 1st (and do clinicals back to back for 72 weeks) then you have a chance.

[FOID]

don't forget, you need 3 weeks for your scores to come in, and 4 weeks for MEAS to process your applications. it's doable... but very difficult.

[stateofequilibrium]

SOE has merged

[kemper6036]

great work SOE

[CaptainInsaneO]

The OP goes to AUA, not AUC. Look at his posting history.

Don't waste your time replying.

[kemper6036]

and MUA too it would appear

[harsy]

Hi
Sorry for the double post,mistake.Seems to have been sorted out.It really is on my mind,i dont want to wait a year for the next match.
I go to MUA but ive always got good advice here.Being a bigger school,members here are more active.Thanks for all the advice,im sure there are many ppl in AUC who probably wonder abt this stuff too and it would be helpful to them as well.As i see it,we all fall under the same FMG category and have the same difficulties...
Thanks again

[FOID]

The OP goes to AUA, not AUC. Look at his posting history.

Don't waste your time replying.

and MUA too it would appear

yup. you guys are right.

[slevit1]

Hi
As i see it,we all fall under the same FMG category and have the same difficulties...
Thanks again

Well, not exactly. There's definitely a difference between MUA and AUC.

[FOID]

Well, not exactly. There's definitely a difference between MUA and AUC.

a HUGE difference

[DRDRWMD]

I am not sure the differences or details of MUA vs AUC vs whomever else UA, but as an AUC student, I am aiming for the 2009 match from January. It is possible to get things running on time, because in New York, there are enough sites to make it possible. It does occasionally mean commuting to hospitals to get in all the rotations, however.

[kemper6036]

nobody knows all the details but there is one detail i'm sure of.....auc=ability to get licensed in all 50 states. mua=not so much

[slevit1]

nobody knows all the details but there is one detail i'm sure of.....auc=ability to get licensed in all 50 states. mua=not so much

From the rumors I've heard, MUA is also the place to go if you don't make it at AUC.

[Arkie]

From the rumors I've heard, MUA is also the place to go if you don't make it at AUC.

I think AUA would be the better choice.

[kemper6036]

ahhh great new pic arkie

[CaptainInsaneO]

Obama looks like a ****** in that pic.

[Arkie]

I agree. Cigarettes always make people look cooler, more desirable to the opposite sex, and overall badder.

[kemper6036]

and dont forget.....healthier!

[harsy]

I know fully well the difference between AUC and MUA.The only reason i didnt apply to AUC was bcoz of their tuition.However,thats another story.What i meant was that as FMGs,we are faced with similar difficulties during rotations,licensure,stigma etc so its ok to get advice from ppl from other schools. I didnt think it would turn into a MUA vs AUC thing.AUC is big 4,MUA is not...its as simple as that.

Anyhow,i appreciate all the positive input.

[Scott1981]

I know fully well the difference between AUC and MUA.The only reason i didnt apply to AUC was bcoz of their tuition.However,thats another story.What i meant was that as FMGs,we are faced with similar difficulties during rotations,licensure,stigma etc so its ok to get advice from ppl from other schools. I didnt think it would turn into a MUA vs AUC thing.AUC is big 4,MUA is not...its as simple as that.

Anyhow,i appreciate all the positive input.

i understand your sentiment. however, all schools are different. we can only comment on how it is to progress through auc. mua may have different guidelines than auc when it comes to deadlines to start clinicals to be eligible for the match, how many weeks of clinicals they require, whether they can get you through cores in a back to back nature, how long the clinical wait is to start 3rd year, etc etc.

these are things specific to auc. i do think for something like this..... it would be better to get info from mua students and graduates.