Free Passes to Body Worlds

[ZIMAgo]

There's been talk about a problem obtaining cadavers for weeks, but now its official- the new crop of cadavers ain't coming. I know a lot of schools are moving to prossections but it sucks that having wrestled through head and neck we'll be missing the major dissections of the thorax and abdomen. Guess we'll have to resort to doing what medical students short on cadavers have done for centuries- or get free passes to Body Worlds

[CaptainInsaneO]

You're not missing much.

It is interesting to see what goes on in the body, but you don't need to butcher the cadavars to see that. You only need Dr. N's clean dissection.

[BiologyBY]

Completely disagree, nothing gives you a better feel for structures and how to work to get them out than doing it yourself.

[kemper6036]

no new cadavers period?

[Scientific]

Try using the Color Atlas of Human Anatomy. They should have a couple copies in the library. It shows you the dissections (perfectly done) and content wise, I found that it had almost everything you need to know for the Anatomy practical exams.

[Nelphus]

no new cadavers period?

no bodies for the rest of the semester - the announcement was made in class this morning. Apparently we will be using prosected material and non-human structures. Quite disappointing...I don't know what/where the root of the problem is, but I hope the school is trying additional avenues for obtaining bodies for our class.

[kemper6036]

non human materials? hahah....hopefully they get it resolved for you guys soon. prosected stuff won't be that bad.....i learned a lot of anatomy from prosections when i took it back home

[Nelphus]

Try using the Color Atlas of Human Anatomy. They should have a couple copies in the library. It shows you the dissections (perfectly done) and content wise, I found that it had almost everything you need to know for the Anatomy practical exams.

like BY alluded to, I dont think a color atlas can replace the traditional process of exploration and dissection of the human body. We haven' done much thus far, but I learned a great deal more about the back muscles from cutting and reflecting the muscles myself vs. memorize the pathways and insertions via Rohens etc.
If this was not a predicted outcome for the semester, I don't see how they can get the necessary prosected material in time for us. I understand bodies are harder to get than prosected or plastinated structures, but either way I dont see how we can have the appropriate tools in due time...

[ZIMAgo]

Why don't we go to bliss, cut Block, fail the semester, do it all again in the Fall and keep out fingers crossed that they'll have some cadavers for us in September. This is pretty embarrassing- the head of anatomy having to walk into a class full of students and announce "our bad- we dropped the ball." Where are the market forces that should be at work here- if you cant get them from one supplier, switch suppliers, fork up the dough and get em from another. I'm going to do a google search on this...

[BiologyBY]

There aren't a whole lot of suppliers for this particular murchandise

[slevit1]

Why don't we go to bliss, cut Block, fail the semester, do it all again in the Fall and keep out fingers crossed that they'll have some cadavers for us in September. This is pretty embarrassing- the head of anatomy having to walk into a class full of students and announce "our bad- we dropped the ball." Where are the market forces that should be at work here- if you cant get them from one supplier, switch suppliers, fork up the dough and get em from another. I'm going to do a google search on this...

Not that easy...you can't just walk into a store and buy cadavers.

When we didn't have bodies to start with my first semester, I was very disappointed. However, after about 2 weeks of dissecting, once the novelty wore off, I would have preferred to go back to prosections. You spend an awful lot of time cutting away various junk to finally find the right structures, and hope you don't accidentally cut them in the process. I think we learned a lot more, and were able to use time more effectively, with the prosections. It is still a bit embarrassing and unfortunate that you won't be getting bodies at all though. But, you do have those shiny new TV's :)

[CaptainInsaneO]

Completely disagree, nothing gives you a better feel for structures and how to work to get them out than doing it yourself.

You are also an anatomy TA...so your response makes sense.

I didn't touch a body for the last 2 blocks and I still passed the practicals easily. Hell, I barely even went to the open lab hours.

But I have to admit, that seeing the organs in the thorax was pretty cool, minus the toxic, eye-melting fumes.

[kemper6036]

Why don't we go to bliss, cut Block, fail the semester, do it all again in the Fall and keep out fingers crossed that they'll have some cadavers for us in September. This is pretty embarrassing- the head of anatomy having to walk into a class full of students and announce "our bad- we dropped the ball." Where are the market forces that should be at work here- if you cant get them from one supplier, switch suppliers, fork up the dough and get em from another. I'm going to do a google search on this...

that is a little dramatic. in case you haven't figured it out yet, auc does not like to fork up the dough

[BiologyBY]

I never said you can't pass the course, hell many US schools cut down their anatomy to 5 weeks or so but if you want surgery or vascular or any invasive spot you need to do it yourself because no prosection will teach you to avoid cutting something that is not supposed to be cut.

[kemper6036]

I never said you can't pass the course, hell many US schools cut down their anatomy to 5 weeks or so but if you want surgery or vascular or any invasive spot you need to do it yourself because no prosection will teach you to avoid cutting something that is not supposed to be cut.

i would hope there would be much more education on this in your residency instead of relying on information learned in the very first semester of med school

[Skipper]

cadevors are hard to get for all schools. alot of schools are using prosected and computerized anatomy courses. i do not think your education is being hurt without a cadevor, most of the time your screw up the dissection and you end up studying the prosection.

after first semester anatomy exam, you will rarely use much of the useless anatomy you learned.

you can still be a surgery without dissecting on a body. especially since cutting a live human is completly different than cutting on a cadevor.

skipper

[slevit1]

that is a little dramatic. in case you haven't figured it out yet, auc does not like to fork up the dough

Well they have actually been spending some money lately. Maybe not as much as we'd like them to, but all of our money hasn't been going totally to waste.

[Nelphus]

according to Dr. N, the CEO of AUC authorized him to search for alternative sources for cadavers. So I guess he will be "island hopping" to find some bodies.
Today was by far the best day in anatomy lab though..... opening the skull and removing the brain; fitting for our potential "final" dissection.

[kemper6036]

you guys will learn the stuff......im sure you have bigger things to worry about on monday

[Ben_Linus]

according to Dr. N, the CEO of AUC authorized him to search for alternative sources for cadavers. So I guess he will be "island hopping" to find some bodies.
Today was by far the best day in anatomy lab though..... opening the skull and removing the brain; fitting for our potential "final" dissection.

Agreed, although I wish I had brought a surgical mask. Nothing like a chunk of a dead person flying in your mouth

On a sidenote, I will never eat at BB's again

[kemper6036]

Agreed, although I wish I had brought a surgical mask. Nothing like a chunk of a dead person flying in your mouth

On a sidenote, I will never eat at BB's again


ooooh did you get some staph intoxication?

[CaptainInsaneO]

Agreed, although I wish I had brought a surgical mask. Nothing like a chunk of a dead person flying in your mouth

On a sidenote, I will never eat at BB's again

I love BBs. Their food is pretty good for the price.

[kemper6036]

BBs is crap.....sorry. one man's trash is another man's treasure i guess

[Skipper]

back in the day, when i was on the island, i did enjoy their ribs.....but that was a few years ago

skipper

[Scott1981]

back in the day, when i was on the island, i did enjoy their ribs.....but that was a few years ago

skipper

yes, but they were cat and dog ribs.

[kemper6036]

yes, but they were cat and dog ribs.

dont forget goat

[BiologyBY]

ribs is the only thing I can eat there and they haven't failed me yet. Everything else though I don't dare

[slevit1]

Tastes fine until you get sick, which many people have. There are many places with better food and less risk.

[CaptainInsaneO]

Tastes fine until you get sick, which many people have. There are many places with better food and less risk.

Those of us with a working immune system can handle the food.

Maybe if you spent less time pontificating at SGA meetings and more time at the gym, you would be able to handle BBs.

[FOID]

yes, but they were cat and dog ribs.

the torn down schuwan place probably served that in the meat of their noodles

[CaptainInsaneO]

It would cost more to use dog than pork. And cat rib would be too cute to eat.

[kemper6036]

Tastes fine until you get sick, which many people have. There are many places with better food and less risk.

i agree 100%

[DrFraud]

You are also an anatomy TA...so your response makes sense.

I didn't touch a body for the last 2 blocks and I still passed the practicals easily. Hell, I barely even went to the open lab hours.

But I have to admit, that seeing the organs in the thorax was pretty cool, minus the toxic, eye-melting fumes.

Doing well on a test is one thing, but understanding anatomy 1 year so down the line after you took the class so that you can figure out an x-*** or CT scan that you have never had anyone walk you through is something altogether different.

While doing well on a test is admirable, your goal is not just to ace a three week anatomy block. You want to be able to remember some of the important stuff 12 months after you finished the class, and as I have made it a point over and over, when your in 5th semester, or even more important, when you are in a surgery rotation, the last thing you want to is spend your precious time learning things you should have learned 1st semester.

In my class, and every class subsequent that I have seen, there were a few students bragging about how they did well in anatomy because they claimed they studied while their partners did all the work and all the dissecting - and this in their opinion was a better use of their time. In the end, these are the ones that hardly seem to remember the difference between a chordae tendinae and a chordae tympani.

[Skipper]

Doing well on a test is one thing, but understanding anatomy 1 year so down the line after you took the class so that you can figure out an x-*** or CT scan that you have never had anyone walk you through is something altogether different.

While doing well on a test is admirable, your goal is not just to ace a three week anatomy block. You want to be able to remember some of the important stuff 12 months after you finished the class, and as I have made it a point over and over, when your in 5th semester, or even more important, when you are in a surgery rotation, the last thing you want to is spend your precious time learning things you should have learned 1st semester.

In my class, and every class subsequent that I have seen, there were a few students bragging about how they did well in anatomy because they claimed they studied while their partners did all the work and all the dissecting - and this in their opinion was a better use of their time. In the end, these are the ones that hardly seem to remember the difference between a chordae tendinae and a chordae tympani.


i do not remember what they are never-the-less the difference between the two and i did all the cutting while my study partner watched...i bet he remembers what the difference is....where is Options to prove a point

skipper

[slevit1]

Those of us with a working immune system can handle the food.

Maybe if you spent less time pontificating at SGA meetings and more time at the gym, you would be able to handle BBs.

I have been to the gym 3 days/week for the past month or so, thank you! I go to SGA meetings to do my part to help fix the world.

[kemper6036]

i do not remember what they are never-the-less the difference between the two and i did all the cutting while my study partner watched...i bet he remembers what the difference is....where is Options to prove a point

skipper

anatomy was by far my worst distribution on the comp :shock:

[BiologyBY]

That's because comp anatomy is way more than just anatomy its neuro, cell bio and histo in addition to regular anatomy

[kemper6036]

cell bio and histo are separate on the score report

[Ben_Linus]

Edit. sorry, nothing important to say

[kemper6036]

nothing wrong with that.....most of us dont have anything important to say but this is vmd so you can say it anyways!