How Many Are Sitting Out For Summer 2008

[senz_asian]

Hi guys! not to stir up any drama, but just for a little fun in time of difficulty. How many of us are forced to step out the line caused by the fall of the financial aids programs ?

[DRDR2U]

Hi guys! not to stir up any drama, but just for a little fun in time of difficulty. How many of us are forced to step out the line caused by the fall of the financial aids programs ?

from the way I see it not many are sitting out,,,,,

[camryllionareMD]

Our class is full.

[WSUCougar]

yeah.... and the May class is bigger than I though it would be.... I thought that somebody mentioned around 30something, but I was told today that the May class had 70

[Micfly213]

Our class is full.
Yeah..the classroom's pretty much full (even without the people coming back late) but the Psych roster's at 187 when I checked today.

Interesting considering that it looks like there's more people in Path, and I definitely thought it would be vice versa.

[azulpanther]

people just love to talk and create panic when there is no reason. I knew the summer class will not have been only 30 students SMU is certainly the lesser of evils when compared to other caribbean med schools in the same tier

[BTP Julian]

The summer class is 50 Students except in Anatomy and Histology, where it is around 70

[Diva]

I know of a few people sitting out bc they couldnt get a loan...my roommate......

[butterflymd]

Wow that sucks. I thought the school had something in place for those students.

[DrCannoli]

Well i'm glad to hear people got back to the island to continue now if they can just find a lender :O)

[DRDR2U]

Well i'm glad to hear people got back to the island to continue now if they can just find a lender :O)


Not many sitting out because again the school pulled thru for many
with the TAP program but nobody is thanking SMU for the last minute come thru with the moolah,,,only complainers

WELL THANKS A LOT SMU FOR PULLING THRU FOR MANY HERE AT SMU WITH DA $$$$$$$$$$$$$ EXCELLENT !!!

[jackets5]

the school pulled through, partially. They pulled through for our tuition and fees minus $1500 so now i have to go back to my parents for extra money. This would be fine but they told us that they would cover all our tuition and fees. AUA manged to fully fund students for the semester. UHMS has citibank loans. SMU partially covers our tuition and tells us to do the garbage davenport program which they get a kick back from or self pay. I love SMU the students and faculty but the administration is the worst by far out of the three other schools of higher education i have attended. The orlando office is a bunch of lazy, incompetent people who dont care. the admin is truly a joke

[DRDR2U]

the school pulled through, partially. They pulled through for our tuition and fees minus $1500 so now i have to go back to my parents for extra money. This would be fine but they told us that they would cover all our tuition and fees. AUA manged to fully fund students for the semester. UHMS has citibank loans. SMU partially covers our tuition and tells us to do the garbage davenport program which they get a kick back from or self pay. I love SMU the students and faculty but the administration is the worst by far out of the three other schools of higher education i have attended. The orlando office is a bunch of lazy, incompetent people who dont care. the admin is truly a joke

ASK YOUR PARENTS TO COUGH UP SOME DOUGH FOR THEIR KIDS EDUCATION THE LEAST THEY CAN DO AND KEEPS YOUR LOAN LOWER

[azulpanther]

ASK YOUR PARENTS TO COUGH UP SOME DOUGH FOR THEIR KIDS EDUCATION THE LEAST THEY CAN DO AND KEEPS YOUR LOAN LOWER


what about students that dont have parents ?!?!!? Having parents is a great luxury and honor, it is not a given that everyone has supportive parents in a position that able to help their children.

[jackets5]

my parents are giving me money between 7500 and 10k for the semester. not everyone has rich parents that can pay for medical school. My parents make a very good living but we happen to live in an area that has the highest taxes and cost of living in the country. I also have a brother and sister in college as well. the thing is if they say TAP is going to cover tuition and fees then it dosent its annoying and wrong for the admin to do to the students. Why cant they just be honest and say "we dont know" or "we will cover a portion of tuition" it would make people much happier and less hostile when their false statements come out.

ASK YOUR PARENTS TO COUGH UP SOME DOUGH FOR THEIR KIDS EDUCATION THE LEAST THEY CAN DO AND KEEPS YOUR LOAN LOWER

[senz_asian]

This is what I got from the TAP. I guess I have to invite the admin. into my house and show them my bank account ???


Dear Student,

Thank you for applying for the Tuition Assistance Program for the summer 2008 semester. As you know, our parent company EIC Holding, Inc. has made this available to qualified students on a demonstrated needs basis. We understand that EIC has not awarded you an amount via TAP because of your prior status as a self-paying student, and therefore lack of evidence of demonstrated need. If you have any questions or your status has changed in a material way, please send a detailed message to the financial aid department at fa@stmatthews.edu.

[LqdPls]

the school pulled through, partially. They pulled through for our tuition and fees minus $1500 so now i have to go back to my parents for extra money........I love SMU the students and faculty but the administration is the worst by far out of the three other schools of higher education i have attended. The orlando office is a bunch of lazy, incompetent people who dont care. the admin is truly a joke

There is no doubt that that the administration leaves alot to be desired, and without the students the university cannot exist. But it is not the responsibility of any university to fund their student's education. What SMU is doing is extremely generous, no matter what the amount.

[Kronos]

man i have never felt so lucky for finishing school with my high interest loans

what some students have to go through is terrible

hang in there guys

[azulpanther]

This is what I got from the TAP. I guess I have to invite the admin. into my house and show them my bank account ???


Dear Student,

Thank you for applying for the Tuition Assistance Program for the summer 2008 semester. As you know, our parent company EIC Holding, Inc. has made this available to qualified students on a demonstrated needs basis. We understand that EIC has not awarded you an amount via TAP because of your prior status as a self-paying student, and therefore lack of evidence of demonstrated need. If you have any questions or your status has changed in a material way, please send a detailed message to the financial aid department at fa@stmatthews.edu.


wow what bologny

[senz_asian]

There is no doubt that that the administration leaves alot to be desired, and without the students the university cannot exist. But it is not the responsibility of any university to fund their student's education. What SMU is doing is extremely generous, no matter what the amount.

It is a LOAN WIth INTERESTS ... Fidel Castro is near by ... perhaps we can ask him for some help.

[jackets5]

they are loaning us the money not giving it to us. SMU is not like every other school if there are no loans there are no students, no students means no SMU. AUA managed to fully lend their students the money for the semester. UHMS in st. kitts is brand new and has citibank loans. The SMU admin sucks plain and simple no way around it or to dispute it. the school is great but the admin will keep SMU from becoming something special which is what the schools potential is

There is no doubt that that the administration leaves alot to be desired, and without the students the university cannot exist. But it is not the responsibility of any university to fund their student's education. What SMU is doing is extremely generous, no matter what the amount.

[UFTim]

It is a LOAN WIth INTERESTS ... Fidel Castro is near by ... perhaps we can ask him for some help.

Fidel doesn't even help his own people! Ask any Cuban-American.

It's definitely a tough situation. They had Doctor's Choice to fill in for Health Xpress and DC dumped out. They always had Teri, and then they went bankrupt.

The new school in St. Kitts is run by the physician who founded Ross. I'd say that gives him a good track record with loan companies.

I think the school will continue to work on loan options. Hopefully, the school assisted funding will be a short-lived thing and they'll find a permanent loan company again. Too bad it can't happen as quick as ordering a happy meal at McDonald's.

[UFTim]

P.S. If students were a high caliber and didn't flunk out or transfer due to failing, it probably would be easier to get loans. Our attrition rate is high, and therefore I'm sure a lot of students default.

[WSUCougar]

UHMS in st. kitts is brand new and has citibank loans.

there is no doubt that this loan crisis has definitely torn apart the loan stability of the Carib Med Schools. Just look where everybody is applying into. If you talk to Ross.... this falls class for 1-4 semesters is already full. In the past they've accepted students into the fall class less than a month before classes started. Now.... before the summer term even started, they were already full and not accepting any new applications for this falls class. So... having those stafford loans is worth more than the price of gold right now.... So now what are students options.... because all the rest of the schools are in the same predicament that SMU is in....

You're right.... UMHS in St. Kitts. is another option... They are the only Carib school to have a loan program with Citibank. And..... you don't need a co-signer.... But.... the school was built and founded by the Ross Founder... so Dr. Ross has a lot of connections that made that possible. SMU just doesn't have these connections.

There is no doubt that these are extremely tough/stressful times right now... I was extremely caught off guard last semester when I had to find a co-signer, which I thought was a shoe-in with my parents. Until I talked to them and found out that a loan that they were tied to with their business didn't allow them to take on any more financial liability for 2 years. last minute I found a co-signer that only agreed to co-sign for one semester.... I wasn't about to sit this semester just waiting.... for SMU to announce this new program through their parent company.... especially after seeing how this TAP played out. so I had to apply to another school during the break to transfer after this semester..... because the last thing I want to worry about before block exams here again.... is to find a co-signer, and try to figure out what in the heck I was going to do.

The best we can do, is always try to plan ahead, and hit the books hard to make sure your academics are in order. That way.... hopefully you are able to adapt to conflicts as they arise. This applies to everything... not just SMU.... for instance.... if you own stocks and the market becomes extremely volatile (just as it is now), you should diversify your portfolio so that you are able to adapt and not go under...

[gaspass]

P.S. If students were a high caliber and didn't flunk out or transfer due to failing, it probably would be easier to get loans. Our attrition rate is high, and therefore I'm sure a lot of students default.

Tons of students leave for other reasons than failing. Here at AUA there are about 15-20 from SMU just this semester that left because the school can't get its act together.

[Future MD | DM erutuF]

Tons of students leave for other reasons than failing. Here at AUA there are about 15-20 from SMU just this semester that left because the school can't get its act together.

Defaulting on loans implies failure. One does not default if they progress elsewhere, they only default if they fail to progress.

[911Med]

Originally I was a bit perturbed because I was accepted and then pressured by admin to send in the $500 deposit. I wanted to wait and see the results of financial aid, regardless, I followed the admins urgency and sent in my $500.
Later I found out that there was just no way I could qualify for loans. My parents agreed to co-sign and then we saw all of the companies dropping out.
Luckily I applied to a school with federal loans and was accepted.

I am still upset about losing my $500.00 - and if the admin reads this I want my money back.
But I suppose I could be in a worse situation.

[UFTim]

Originally I was a bit perturbed because I was accepted and then pressured by admin to send in the $500 deposit. I wanted to wait and see the results of financial aid, regardless, I followed the admins urgency and sent in my $500.
Later I found out that there was just no way I could qualify for loans. My parents agreed to co-sign and then we saw all of the companies dropping out.
Luckily I applied to a school with federal loans and was accepted.

I am still upset about losing my $500.00 - and if the admin reads this I want my money back.
But I suppose I could be in a worse situation.

Congrats on your acceptance! I know you had to deal with a lot, but glad to hear you're going to be in med school even if it's not with us. :cool:

[UFTim]

Tons of students leave for other reasons than failing. Here at AUA there are about 15-20 from SMU just this semester that left because the school can't get its act together.

At least that's what they tell you...

In my first three years in the Caribbean system, I've learned that most of the students aren't the straightest shooters.

[911Med]

Congrats on your acceptance! I know you had to deal with a lot, but glad to hear you're going to be in med school even if it's not with us. :cool:

Thanks man!
Yeah, let's just say it hasn't been the easiest road. Looking forward to only worrying about studying.

[WSUCougar]

Thanks man!
Yeah, let's just say it hasn't been the easiest road. Looking forward to only worrying about studying.

congrats..... geeze.... it seems like you've been on the med school hunt dealing with financial aid for the past 2 years..... you'd be half way home... better late then never though....

good luck man....

[azulpanther]

P.S. If students were a high caliber and didn't flunk out or transfer due to failing, it probably would be easier to get loans. Our attrition rate is high, and therefore I'm sure a lot of students default.



hey TIM dont worry with a (clearing my throat) 94% passing rate SMU students are on par with students from johns hopkins, stanford and harvard .

hehehe

[smithmd]

What are we going to do???? I can't pay for med school without loans. I was forced to take the summer off to work b/c I could not pay for may semester. Does anyone know what SMU is doing right now? This should never happen to use we are in med school. There is a shortage of doc's all over the world and we can't even pay for school.

[WSUCougar]

What are we going to do???? I can't pay for med school without loans. I was forced to take the summer off to work b/c I could not pay for may semester. Does anyone know what SMU is doing right now? This should never happen to use we are in med school. There is a shortage of doc's all over the world and we can't even pay for school.

there is a "sticky" above that talks about other forms of funding for MBA students to help give you more than the standard COA. Did you apply for the TAP? There is a new loan program that is suppose to be finalized and announcement about half way through this semester, that is suppose to cover tuition + cost of living. so we'll see how that turns out.

[senz_asian]

there is a "sticky" above that talks about other forms of funding for MBA students to help give you more than the standard COA. Did you apply for the TAP? There is a new loan program that is suppose to be finalized and announcement about half way through this semester, that is suppose to cover tuition + cost of living. so we'll see how that turns out.


I honestly dont have a huge expectaton for this DAP ... but I believe if I perservere long enough... an angel may descend and then the DAP maybe the way to finish the rest of my education. ... what you guys think ?

by the way... I am sick of the adds that ValueMD places either at the bottom or the top of the page... they are useless, and annoying!!

[butterflymd]

I think that if you have enough faith in God all things are possible. Keep perservering. There is light at the end of the tunnel one day you will look back and say wow look at everything I have been through but look where I am now. Vision.

[camryllionareMD]

What are we going to do???? I can't pay for med school without loans. I was forced to take the summer off to work b/c I could not pay for may semester. Does anyone know what SMU is doing right now? This should never happen to use we are in med school. There is a shortage of doc's all over the world and we can't even pay for school.
In the future, don't take a semester off. Coz there's people in ur shoes where the TAP came thru for them even when they had failed the same class twice and were not supposed to be eligible.

[AftenMD]

Hi guys! not to stir up any drama, but just for a little fun in time of difficulty. How many of us are forced to step out the line caused by the fall of the financial aids programs ?


You forgot to mention that there are 30+ students forced to take a board semester because 5th semester in cayman couldn't get their act together in time for us to take the Step and progress to clinicals in May..... grrrr

[butterflymd]

Oh that sucks. See that is what you don't want to hear as an incoming student drama on the administrations part that will delay you taking the boards and making it to clinicals and residency on time. Perhaps that is why SMU has so many transfers. Not good.

[camryllionareMD]

Oh that sucks. See that is what you don't want to hear as an incoming student drama on the administrations part that will delay you taking the boards and making it to clinicals and residency on time. Perhaps that is why SMU has so many transfers. Not good.
I know, I know. At least you know what you're getting into. It's like getting married, and b4 you say I do, you find out your fiance was in jail b4, addicted to crystal meth for 5 years, and is bipolar. Stuff you wish they weren't, but at least now you can make an informed decision. All these Carib schools have their hang ups, you kinda just pick the one that you feel you can handle.

[senz_asian]

I know, I know. At least you know what you're getting into. It's like getting married, and b4 you say I do, you find out your fiance was in jail b4, addicted to crystal meth for 5 years, and is bipolar. Stuff you wish they weren't, but at least now you can make an informed decision. All these Carib schools have their hang ups, you kinda just pick the one that you feel you can handle.


You are right on the money...... about carribean schools!!! I wish I had checked them out like I was getting married. ...Unfortunately, SMU was in jail before, addicted to crystal meth for 5 years and definitely bipolar :rolleyes:

[senz_asian]

You forgot to mention that there are 30+ students forced to take a board semester because 5th semester in cayman couldn't get their act together in time for us to take the Step and progress to clinicals in May..... grrrr


Sorry for not specificially wrote that in the title.. but trust me .. we wanna know all about the students whom are forced to stay out one way or another.... and often are the ones who have the determination and the willingness to finish off what they started!

[UFTim]

You forgot to mention that there are 30+ students forced to take a board semester because 5th semester in cayman couldn't get their act together in time for us to take the Step and progress to clinicals in May..... grrrr

All you have to do is schedule Step 1 and then go take it in 5th semester. The school doesn't plan it for you.

[AftenMD]

They wouldn't let us actually take the Step until we had successfully passed their Kaplan course.... and we didn't get our grades for that until the first week of April....... even if I did take the Step right after that my Step score would not have been in the system in time to register for clincals (3 weeks later). :roll: Everyone that took 5th in cayman last semester is forced to take a National Board semester this summer. Boo

[butterflymd]

What is the national board. Never heard of this exam.

[Future MD | DM erutuF]

They wouldn't let us register for the Step until we had successfully passed their Kaplan course.... and we didn't get our grades for that until the first week of April....... even if I did take the Step right after that my Step score would not have been in the system in time to register for clincals (3 weeks later). :roll: Everyone that took 5th in cayman last semester is forced to take a National Board semester this summer. Boo

Actually, I received confirmation from my Prometric center of my appointment about midway through the semester, well before any grades were given. I think you're confusing the requirement that we HAVE to take the USMLE during any PARTICULAR semester (i.e. we cannot sit for the USMLE during the break, only either during 5th semester or NB).

[Future MD | DM erutuF]

What is the national board. Never heard of this exam.

National Board is a semester. You can register for it if you would like to study for the USMLE after 5th semester is over. If you do not want to, then you can take the USMLE in 5th semester and go straight into clinicals. I believe we're only allowed 2 board semesters, one for Step 1, one for Step 2. If you fail Step 1 you can opt to take another Board semester but the details get real fuzzy from there.

[JamesDeanMD]

They wouldn't let us register for the Step until we had successfully passed their Kaplan course.... and we didn't get our grades for that until the first week of April....... even if I did take the Step right after that my Step score would not have been in the system in time to register for clincals (3 weeks later). :roll: Everyone that took 5th in cayman last semester is forced to take a National Board semester this summer. Boo


Such are the consequences of failing a class in medical school........grow up and deal with the consequences of your own actions

[onesolo]

National Board is a semester. You can register for it if you would like to study for the USMLE after 5th semester is over. If you do not want to, then you can take the USMLE in 5th semester and go straight into clinicals. I believe we're only allowed 2 board semesters, one for Step 1, one for Step 2. If you fail Step 1 you can opt to take another Board semester but the details get real fuzzy from there.

Actually you can take a National Board semester 3 times.... At least that was the case a few semesters ago. Things do change often.

[Future MD | DM erutuF]

Actually you can take a National Board semester 3 times.... At least that was the case a few semesters ago. Things do change often.

Well, let's hope none of us will have to resort to that. One should be good enough. And how do 3 NB's work? Do they take that semester reserved for Step 2 and just assume you'll pass Step 2 without the need to take a semester off? And 3 semesters?? That's a full year!

[azulpanther]

Such are the consequences of failing a class in medical school........grow up and deal with the consequences of your own actions



not everyone that stayed in cayman failed a class. Alot of students actually chose to stay in cayman to do their 5th.

[JamesDeanMD]

not everyone that stayed in cayman failed a class. Alot of students actually chose to stay in cayman to do their 5th.

I understand that. My comment was specifically for AftenMD.

[AftenMD]

I understand that. My comment was specifically for AftenMD.


Wow. Just... wow. You are one classy guy, let me tell you.

How would you like it if I found out one of your mistakes and rubbed your nose in it on a public forum?
Lets keep our posts to those useful for other students, shall we?


And in reply to the poster about taking Step during a semester, we were told that we couldn't take the Step until after we had passed Kaplan. We could register for it at any time. Sorry for the confusion.

[the_punisher]

I was speaking to someone the other day and during this brief conversation we realized how it would be if the program directors knew who each and every one is on this forum. I realized that from what we post on this site, tells everyone a lot about the kind of physicians we are going to be. Some people would like to take a shot at another at every chance they get to make themselves look superior and others would complain about any and everything. Sure, no one likes a whiner but no one likes a person who would try to get you in trouble or take a shot at you at every chance they get to prove that they are smarter than everyone else.

[senz_asian]

This is where our subconscious thinkings are actually being spoken out. ... there are attackers, whiners, toe-stepper, bluffers, 2 headed snakes .. you name it .. we got all here in the medical student forum of hundreds of active users. .. and this is also a defining feature of ValueMD :D



I was speaking to someone the other day and during this brief conversation we realized how it would be if the program directors knew who each and every one is on this forum. I realized that from what we post on this site, tells everyone a lot about the kind of physicians we are going to be. Some people would like to take a shot at another at every chance they get to make themselves look superior and others would complain about any and everything. Sure, no one likes a whiner but no one likes a person who would try to get you in trouble or take a shot at you at every chance they get to prove that they are smarter than everyone else.

[azulpanther]

aftenMd maybe he has a crush on you. Who knows lol

[JamesDeanMD]

Wow. Just... wow. You are one classy guy, let me tell you.

How would you like it if I found out one of your mistakes and rubbed your nose in it on a public forum?
Lets keep our posts to those useful for other students, shall we?


And in reply to the poster about taking Step during a semester, we were told that we couldn't take the Step until after we had passed Kaplan. We could register for it at any time. Sorry for the confusion.


I have no mistakes....so at best you can make something up.....go for it....

[senz_asian]

:starwars:Episode 5: Attack of the Medical Students

[JamesDeanMD]

:starwars:Episode 5: Attack of the Medical Students


hahahahahaha.....that is awesome. I love it

[the_punisher]

I have no mistakes....so at best you can make something up.....go for it....


at some point of our lives, we all made some mistake that landed us in a carib. med school instead of a U.S med. school...
Maybe the mistake was that we "decided" to go to carib. school or we made the mistake of not studying hard enough so our GPA was not high enough for a U.S school... others may have made some other mistakes....
Everyone makes mistakes... after all, that's how one can tell the difference between a human and a robot...
someone told me one time that sometimes it's good to make mistakes... that way you can learn from them... if you don’t make mistakes then either you didn’t realize that you made a mistake or you don’t want to accept that you did... either way, you learn nothing...

[JamesDeanMD]

at some point of our lives, we all made some mistake that landed us in a carib. med school instead of a U.S med. school...
Maybe the mistake was that we "decided" to go to carib. school or we made the mistake of not studying hard enough so our GPA was not high enough for a U.S school... others may have made some other mistakes....
Everyone makes mistakes... after all, that's how one can tell the difference between a human and a robot...
someone told me one time that sometimes it's good to make mistakes... that way you can learn from them... if you don’t make mistakes then either you didn’t realize that you made a mistake or you don’t want to accept that you did... either way, you learn nothing...


lol, touché.

[camryllionareMD]

Such are the consequences of failing a class in medical school........grow up and deal with the consequences of your own actions
And moreover this is coming from a person who failed to get into a US school... wonder how you explain that. Just live life long enough and you'll make more mistakes, your kids will, and grandkids. I have friends who failed a class or two 1st and 2nd semester. So what? Coulda' been me. I hope nobody tries to ridicule or belittle you when you fail at something coz we all do.

Thomas Edison failed at so many inventions and now we use light-bulbs everyday. Colonel Sanders was a financial failure b4 he started Kentucy Fried Chicken. Oprah dropped out of college. George Bush was a C student. What they all have in common is the last laugh.

Hey AftenMD, keep your head up! Let this guy's laughter be the adrenaline that pushes you forward.

[JamesDeanMD]

And moreover this is coming from a person who failed to get into a US school... wonder how you explain that. Just live life long enough and you'll make more mistakes, your kids will, and grandkids. I have friends who failed a class or two 1st and 2nd semester. So what? Coulda' been me. I hope nobody tries to ridicule or belittle you when you fail at something coz we all do.

Thomas Edison failed at so many inventions and now we use light-bulbs everyday. Colonel Sanders was a financial failure b4 he started Kentucy Fried Chicken. Oprah dropped out of college. George Bush was a C student. What they all have in common is the last laugh.

Hey AftenMD, keep your head up! Let this guy's laughter be the adrenaline that pushes you forward.

hold on there partner, colonel sanders was a financial failure before he started KFC? wow, well in that case, i recant

[camryllionareMD]

hold on there partner, colonel sanders was a financial failure before he started KFC? wow, well in that case, i recant
Yep, he was on the verge of suicide, can't remember if he had already written the note. He took a little gasoline fryer with him on the road and his last mission before dying was to fry chicken and sell it at gas stations. I think he was in his late 60's or early 70's. Little by little, his chicken was so good he kept getting more orders coz the chicken was selling out. Someone suggested he start his own restaurant. And today, there's a KFC on every corner.

[senz_asian]

General Sanders was definitely a role model for all of us .... you can do just about anything in life if you want it bad enough.... However, I hope it wont take me 40 years to get done with medschool!


Yep, he was on the verge of suicide, can't remember if he had already written the note. He took a little gasoline fryer with him on the road and his last mission before dying was to fry chicken and sell it at gas stations. I think he was in his late 60's or early 70's. Little by little, his chicken was so good he kept getting more orders coz the chicken was selling out. Someone suggested he start his own restaurant. And today, there's a KFC on every corner.

[camryllionareMD]

I know, right? But stories like his just give me hope so whenever I screw up I can get back up again.

[AftenMD]

And moreover this is coming from a person who failed to get into a US school... wonder how you explain that. Just live life long enough and you'll make more mistakes, your kids will, and grandkids. I have friends who failed a class or two 1st and 2nd semester. So what? Coulda' been me. I hope nobody tries to ridicule or belittle you when you fail at something coz we all do.

Thomas Edison failed at so many inventions and now we use light-bulbs everyday. Colonel Sanders was a financial failure b4 he started Kentucy Fried Chicken. Oprah dropped out of college. George Bush was a C student. What they all have in common is the last laugh.

Hey AftenMD, keep your head up! Let this guy's laughter be the adrenaline that pushes you forward.

Wonderful people to learn from! Thanks so much camryllionare! I will! :cool:

[camryllionareMD]

No prob! That's what keeps me goin' when I fall down, just someone sayin' to me "keep goin"

[Scott1981]

I was speaking to someone the other day and during this brief conversation we realized how it would be if the program directors knew who each and every one is on this forum. I realized that from what we post on this site, tells everyone a lot about the kind of physicians we are going to be. Some people would like to take a shot at another at every chance they get to make themselves look superior and others would complain about any and everything. Sure, no one likes a whiner but no one likes a person who would try to get you in trouble or take a shot at you at every chance they get to prove that they are smarter than everyone else.

that goes across the board for AMGs as well. whenever you feel down about how IMGs conduct themselves on anonymous forums..... stroll on over to the SDN forums for a real eye opener :lol: