Loans

[sias]

anyone know what loans smu provides (if any)?

[malikaung]

Hi! I think you should be able to get the whole information about loans on the St. Martinus University's website, under Financial Information. Also, you have mentioned about the Residency and I have provided that information on the other thread, under MAY 2008 and September 2008. See the attachment Residency over there. Good Luck!

[lswiltshire]

Malikaung

Have you ever been on the St Martinus campus?
How can you cheerlead without doing so?
Do you realize that it is not traditional to have cheerleaders at St Martinus?

[malikaung]

No but I am coming very soon. Plus if I need information about anything, I just happen to know where to start. And, if any one needs help or needs similar info, I am glad to guide them. It's in my DNA system. I just can't control them. About that cheerlead thing:confused: I am a male dude:p. I will never be depressed. It's just that when something is wrong, I practically fix it:cool:. Because how I am in my entire life. So see you all soon in St. Martinus:welcome: in September 2008!

[lswiltshire]

So then when you go to St Martinus you will fix things eh?

Will you fix this one thing for me?

There is a chap there who says he has a PhD in Psychology that he got from some strange "guru" school. The Administration and Directors know that he has a not so acceptable degree but he has been allowed to "teach" in this medical school.

He is not a doctor, he is not a clinical Psychologist, he has never been to medical school, he absolutely does not know how to interpret the USMLE objectives but was allowed to teach Behavioral Science. He used to pontificate when I was there as if he was a medical educator and knew what he was saying or doing-- much to my great amusement.

Tell me how will you fix this?

I have never thought that this was fair to the students then, but when ever I spoke the truth I was accused of being a trouble maker and to be doing s................t. But you see the teachers at the Medical school I attended were all real real doctors with degrees from acceptable universities.

[malikaung]

So then when you go to St Martinus you will fix things eh?

I never said that. When I said "it's just that when something is wrong, I practically fix it:cool: because that's how I am in my entire life", it means that I do something positive to avoid certain problems that I am facing in that particular setting and situation!!!! When I come then I will see what happens. My only advise to you is that no one is perfect, everyone has some weakness. So just stand up, face challenges, and to the right thing for yourself so that you can succeed your career throughout your life. Other words, STAY POSITIVE AND STAY FOCUS:p. That's the only way to achieve something in this life. The whole world is not easy. Good Luck where ever you are right now. And God bless you:cool:

[microgen]

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[sias]

Well, no one ansewered the question i posed (and this thread just turned into babble, as is usually what happens on valudmd :)) so, does anyone out there know about the student loans that are avaliable to students at st. martinus?

[lswiltshire]

Sias,

You have well said

[sias]

anybody know?

[lswiltshire]

microgen (http://www.valuemd.com/members/microgen.html)

Although you give an accurate account of life at St Martinus when you were there ( you said you left after the second semester) it seems to me that you cannot comment accurately about life there since you left, as you seem to pontificate. I know that I cant, and I was there longer than you and have maintained contact with many that I met there in my time.

I hope that when you return that things are indeed better, and that with the advent of this new owner that St Martinus might achieve its true potential to become unparalleled among the Caribbean medical schools in the quality of Medical Education they offer and deliver. Like you I think it was possible then and that it is still possible, simply because St Martinus (with all its faults) is the best of the several offshore medical schools at which I have taught. I of course only got the chance to teach at some of the worse! At the same time, these schools especially SJMS have put more students into residency in the last 5.5 years while ST Martinus can only boast of one student.

St Martinus has the inique potential that has not been tapped in any other Caribbean medical school ; that is catering to the indigenous population. However, it took more vision than the virgin brain of the previous owner to appreciate that which he had not experienced.

It is true that St Martinus has been led for most of its existence by an inexperienced CEO who refused to listen to those around him who actually went to medical school and who actually saw a real medical school run. It is also true that the owner tried to run a medical school unsuccessfully since, after all, schools are led by scholars, and medical schools by medical scholars.

It is true that St Martinus has usually attracted enthusiastic faculty and that financial mismanagement often led to the exodus of angry faculty whose lives were usually disrupted because they were never paid on time, and that they often received checks that bounced higher than a cricket ball delivered by a fast bowler. I remember well finishing my contract, and waiting two months for the wages for my final month. I remember well routinely being paid well into the next month, and others who lived on the island, whose wages were some times three months in arrears-i including the Dean that took over from Dr B.

You are correct when you say that there was always instability in both the future of the student body, the satff and the school. However, when one spoke of it to the students or attempted to answer their questions about it (as one needed to do as student faculty liason) it was not often appreciated in certain quarters. Both staff and students were unwilling to defend the attacks on the school on this forum, or recommend the school to others because they knew the truth was being spoken , and they were embarrased.

How can prospective students know that this is all gone? Are we to rely on your two cheerleading posts?

We know that two of the three faculty members that went to St Martinus from Statia early in 2006, were two of the original faculty members that came to St Martinus with Dr B from Statia when St Martinus began. We know that they are experienced, fluent in English, and trained at National Universities of Medicine and that they worked in research and with patients for years in their respective countries, and we know of the other superb academics from Colombia who were lost to the school because of the disruption to their lives.


There were others similarly qualified etc who also fled St Martinus for the same reasons, and also for other evils that they experienced and endured or witnessed, besides being paid late. Your friends are not the only ones that are doing Medical school right. They were others at St Martinus that went to med schol in thier teens or early twenties who spent thier lives teaching and around med schools who were mistreated by medical cretins at St Martinus.

To warn someone not to read VMD is nonsense, however. That is your silly biased opinion. Many folk come to the VMD pages and learn a lot of what is going on at all the these schools. I certainly learned a lot over the years I have used it. You mean that all the seasoned writers on this forum are all "psychobabblers" too? What poppycock!

The truth is that a lot of information that is posted on these pages is in fact true. Much of the ionfo on St Martinus is also true- especially in the time that I was there. For example you are by your post corroborating and telling the word some of the background to the original post of September 2004 that St Martinus was at that time dead on arrival.


And that was in fact true when I reached at that time, and was given the lowly assignment to teach Chemistry to the Pre Meds, but ended up that semester assisting in Physical Diagnosis,assisting in Pathology, teaching Clinical Medicine, assisting in Biochemistry. That first term, I personally did a lot to revive it and put it back St Martinus on its feet, because they simply were very few staff members, and only one other senior physician.


When I arrived, Dr B the Dean left, and that first term two men who had never once set foot in a medical school was running the school and making all kinds of decisions- including the one with the PhD from the guru school. When he started posting on valumd as the moderator one of the most famous "psychobabblers" reserached him and enquired of me if I knew that I was teaching with a "guru."


The funny thing is that the school’s hierarchy know that he was not properly qualified to teach in medical school, and even laughed at his qualification. Man I even saw the strange certificate myself! Those whom he was assigned to teach soon knew it as well. Even the Pre Med students appreciated that he knew nothing about medical nomenclature. You have a right to ask the owner to replace this man by a qualified teacher in the subject.

Students were indeed screaming to the ocean as you say, because of the pain and hurt they suffered when the chap with fake PhD from the bogus guru school taught them. Some quit the class, and still had trouble the second time around, when they were forced to take it. But the owner said “We will give him a chance to learn to teach.” There was no voice to answer the students.

It certainly is not psychobabble to those who have lost money, been displaced from work with out pay, and other wise mistreated. The problem with this forum is that people think it is for cheerleading. You must only say nice things. But you must not tell the TRUTH when the truth is not nice. That is called causing trouble and doing s---------------t especially if you tend to be melanotic.

I skip over lots of the stuff I read on VMD too, but you know what? That does not mean much of it is not true. Are the pictures by Mace about the MILIK school psychobabble too. What about your post? How does one decide the motive behind it? How do the novice to the forum decide that it is psychobabble or not? How do we know that you are not singing for your supper, or just ecstatic because you are rejoining your friends? When you told the truth in your post was that just TRUTH? And when I tell it in this post, is it psychobabble?

Many learned men post on this forum;including good lawyers, and some physicians. As the good calypsonians sing “ Ah lie?’

[sias]

I really wish people would stop polluting my thread with this stuff. If you have some problem with the school, please, make your own thread.

Once again, does *anybody* know about the student loan situation at st martinus university?

[lswiltshire]

LOL

Who is poluting "your" thread?

No one owns any threads on VMD.

Plus dont you have respect for Microgen? He will be one of your teachers if you go there?

You wanna loan? Why dont you call or email the school, or go to a bank man?

You are very unlikely to get an answer or response on this forum from any St Martinus student. That is the point that I made to the chap Makiluang. St Martinus students rarely come on VMD. They bad talk others with the Dean or one of the directors who is usually around.

[sias]

did not mean to be rude. But really, if you started a thread on a particular topic and then it totally got changed to a different topic, wouldn't you be a bit upset?

[lswiltshire]

sias I understand how you feel, but the two St Martinus cheerleaders hijacked your post because few folk have been responding to thier infomercials.

So I just decided to join in the fray and have some fun, as I told some truths.

But you are not likely to get many answers in the St Martinus forum about anything.

[Iwilbadoctr]

Sias,
I don't think SMU is affiliated with any student loan programs - they use to be with the Sallimae Student loan program, but they lost it - don't ask me how, i don't know. I've been talking with a current student down there who just finished his MD2 - and he said he got a loan from his local bank in the US. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to pay for it as well - I'll be going down in late August to start in Sept.

[DOCplucinski]

this thread is all over the place...if you guys can't stick to the topic, then the thread will be closed

[malikaung]

Hey Sias!!

I swear that I did give you the information about the loans. Just look at the first reply after you asked about the loans and I did answered it. Then this Iswiltshire guy comes over and started to make a headache. Just go to the University's website, click on the Finanical Information which is on the left side and then from there it should lead you about the loans. Or if you are still not satisfy, then the best thing to do is contact the Finanical Office. Good luck!

[lswiltshire]

Mal kung !
this Iswiltshire guy comes over and started to make a headache.

This Iswiltshire guy is an island scholar and an ex lecturer at St Martinus. He is more than you are now trying to aspire to. He attended a proper medical school ( not a bogus offshore attempt at a medical school) with a scholarship- not loans, and he knows a hell lot more about St Martinus than you do.

Next, if you gave Sias the info in your first post and he did not get it, then either, you didn’t communicate properly, or he did not understand. Now you will have to learn to communicate better and he will have to understand better if either of you will become good medical students or doctors.

If you think I am causing headaches because I asked you to fix a little problem for me, how will you not have a stroke when you start to study medicine.

You and the other person who sought to attack me might do well to read Romans 1:22. Rude remarks addressed to me tend to cost.

When, as I recently stood in front of a class of 125 students as a visiting lecturer that was inquiring about Caribbean offshore schools, I was able to tell them not to go to Ross because I learned from the psychobabble on VMD that Ross students were having difficulty in getting clinical sites. I could not embarrass myself by recommending St Martinus, knowing that Dr Guru still teaches there. Now you see my dilemma.

[lswiltshire]

Mal kung
You will notice that when the new teacher told the truth of his original experiences at St Martinus he was most likely advised to erase it!

The truth must not be told! I t must be expunged always, if it canot be sucessfully called psychbabble.

[malikaung]

Mal kung
You will notice that when the new teacher told the truth of his original experiences at St Martinus he was most likely advised to erase it!

The truth must not be told! I t must be expunged always, if it canot be sucessfully called psychbabble.



Hey Mr., okay look I am sorry alright. I didn't mean to do anything. You are the boss okay. I messed up the numbers okay. Since you know everything about this place then you are the master!!! i was just trying be positive okay man. Now I want to come to this school because I wanted to, alright man!!! Now let's all take a chill.

[Baadshah]

Wonderful! No one has an idea about loans.

[Iwilbadoctr]

The following is a response that I received from St. Martinus University about the student loan program - as soon as I have new information, I'll post it for all of us.....

3) Yes indeed, we had the sallimae student loan program is not being offer
anymore. At this moment we do not have a loan program, the person in charge
of the Financial Aid is working on this right now. Please give me some days
to inform you about this. I will be given you the name and the email address
for the person in charge of that.