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DRDR2U
05-02-2008, 09:29 AM
Shelf exams are purchased by medical schools and graded by those individual medical schools. How those grades are normalized is up to the school that purchased the particular exam. The raw scores are reported back to the NBME but not any percentiles or normalized scores.

You have no way of knowing whether exactly how your score is normalized unless the faculty at your school is willing to share that information with you. Again, one course may normalize a "shelf" to one mean while another may use another score as a mean. Many schools, mine included, do not even administer these subject-based pre-clinical science exams because they are not very useful. Since most curricula are integrated, subject-based basic science shelf exams are obsolete.

Depending on where your school/department sets the mean, those "percentiles" can end up across a spectrum of grades that are only meaningful to your particular class (and definitely not a means of comparison).

Shelf exams for clinical sciences can be used in a similar manner but in general, a raw percentage of 50% is the mean across the U.S. Our school would normalize that percentage to a mean of 45% and would grade us from there. This meant that we had to score above the national mean in order to pass the shelf. We also had in-house exams for every clinical subject that we took at the end of rotations.

Nursing students and physician assistant students do not take NBME shelf subject exams.

THIS IS WHY SMU SHOULD ELIMINATE THESE SHELF EXAMS ,,OR TAKE THEM AS AN OPTIONAL EXAM BUT TO HAVE IT WORTH 20% OF YOUR FINAL GRADE IS NOT DOING ANYONE ANY GOOD NOW..IF WE WANT TO GRADE OURSELVES THEN WE CAN DO NBME EXAMS,KAPLAN EXAMS USMLEWORLD, USMLERX ETC..ANYONE READY TO ABOLISH THESE EXAMS ALREADY?

gschneid
05-02-2008, 05:02 PM
Go to http://www.nbme.org/PDF/2007subexaminfoguide.pdf and read it for yourself.
I happen to like the shelf exams. It lets me see questions from someone other than the professors. If you can't do well on the shelf it means you aren't working hard enough.

I agree that I would like to know how the raw score is converted to percentage for use in the class grade.

IWillBeMD1day
05-04-2008, 02:19 PM
I think the only way to gauge how much you learned during the semester is the shelf exams! I know for the first semester, the exams were rite off the reviews so we knew what to focus on, but when we take the USMLE we will not know what to focus on, so shelf exams give us an idea of how the USMLE will be!

got milk?
05-04-2008, 05:23 PM
your classes are organized by subject.
so why not have shelfs by subject?

the information tested is what you're supposed to have learned.

sounds like you're afraid of the shelf because you don't get 3 months to prepare for it.

DRDR2U
05-04-2008, 07:49 PM
your classes are organized by subject.
so why not have shelfs by subject?

the information tested is what you're supposed to have learned.

sounds like you're afraid of the shelf because you don't get 3 months to prepare for it.


SO TAKE THE SHELFS,,,WHO CARES ABOUT PROPER PREP FOR THEM,,IM FINE WITH THEM BUT CARRY ON,