why do federal overtime laws not protect doctors also

[fammed2002]

for anyone to answer

why do federal overtime laws not protect doctors also?

for example a nurse that gets 20 per hour gets 1.5 times that for
overtime; past 8 hrs of work

so why is this protection not there for doctors who work in
employed situations

[Genossa maximillian]

If you are contracted on a fixed salary basis or an hourly basis.


absisfor anyone to answer

why do federal overtime laws not protect doctors also?

for example a nurse that gets 20 per hour gets 1.5 times that for
overtime; past 8 hrs of work

so why is this protection not there for doctors who work in
employed situations

[m2512]

Residents are on salary positions, if they work less or more, they are paid the same, this is the worst thing about those Salaries position.
our per hour salary is less than $4/hour.
funny, we work like slaves and you can't even say no, you can't even get sick, it's cruel to work as a resident.

[grobble]

Residents are on salary positions, if they work less or more, they are paid the same, this is the worst thing about those Salaries position.
our per hour salary is less than $4/hour.
funny, we work like slaves and you can't even say no, you can't even get sick, it's cruel to work as a resident.


Don't be ridiculous if you only got paid $4/hr during residency you would be making $16,640/yr.

$4/hr X 80 hrs week X 52 weeks/yr = $16,640

Most residencies pay low to mid 40 K/yr

[m2512]

yes, your net will pretty much comes to $4-6/h.
I'm doing surgery, we work more than 80 hours a week, it seems you are not a resident yet, or may be you are doing medicine. we work around 120 hours / week. there is in the state of NY, a private company that monitor , that we suppose not to work more than 86 hours/week, but this never happened. our program director made the resident to write down how many hours they work/week, for him to submit that to this private company every month, so as to insure that, residents are not overworked. but he can see the resident's report before being sent to the company. (it supposed to be confidential). but no they would call you and ask you how come you are reporting 110 hours or 116 or even 120 hours/ week. and my reply to him was, this is what I worked exactly. do you want me to report different hours count? and you got frowned at. so next time you report less hours, so as to be called cooperative and flexible.
all my fellow residents who work 115 or 120 hours, they report only 86 hours. so as not to upset the program director. the whole hospital knows that we are understaffed, and this is the reality of the game.
so yes you make around $4-6/ hours net pay. you know you still pay taxes and social security, and pay for health insurance for your family if you have one. believe me it comes down to this number.I make net $1300/2 weeks this is for a salary of $48K/year, if you divide that by 240 hours= $5.7/h, and if you divide that by 200 hours=6.5.
now I still have to pay my rent, eat and commute. my rent is 1550/ month for a studio next to my hospital, the rest if hardly enough for your meals and commute.this is the painful reality buddy.

[grobble]

If you are willing to let your program violate the law that is your own problem. But, I know residents at other NY state uiversity residency programs and they actually follow the law. Matter of fact ,U of Rochester had a violation reported a couple of years ago. Other major university programs (Northwestern, Albany, UPenn, UVA, to name a few) where I have friends at also follow the law strictly and will tell residents to go home and have corss cover to prevent excess hours.

[m2512]

how brave you are to go against the streem when you get residency, you can be eliminated in a blink, the reality is painful my friend.

[wcb22]

i'll be a PGY-1 making $46,250. they put on the website that this is $22... and some change, per hour. but that's based on a 40 hour work week. I believe I will be averaging 70 hour work weeks, given the different rotation schedule, so that averages out to still around $13/hr. It's not bad. It's more than I'm making now.

[IMG SURVIVOR]

In my humble opinion, I think that in some areas like surgery and OB/GYN do not know another one. You actually need more experience in your training the more experience the better and have a couple of easy rotation to balance things out.
Some years ago I remember an OB resident complaining that he was not having enough time with the hours cut.
If there are any practicing Docs or any other residents in full flesh please come and tell us your point of view.
If it were for me a 40 hr a week would do fine, if not is only 3 years.

[grobble]

how brave you are to go against the streem when you get residency, you can be eliminated in a blink, the reality is painful my friend.

Read the law and understand the law. If they try to fire you for reporting a violation such as the other poster said of 120 hrs/ week they will extraordinary legal liability. Like I said before I know people at big univerisity programs and they all say their program directors are very conscious about not violating the law and tell residents to speak up without fear of retribution. Even at hospitals I have rotated at attendings question residents about their hours and I have my resident sent home early b/c he would violate hrs and another had his call partially covered to prevent a violation. Good program directors take this seriously. John Hopkins was made an example and sanctioned for violations a couple of years ago. That proved to everyone that this is not a game and the 80hr rule should be taken seriously.

[fammed2002]

i am talking about as an attending.

lets say you make for example 60 per hour in urgent care;
the med assistants get 1.5 times the salary after 8 hrs of work


so why dont doctors?

[m2512]

[quote=grobble;782136]Read the law and understand the law. If they try to fire you for reporting a violation such as the other poster said of 120 hrs/ week .


this is not about firing, but in surgery for example, they will give you a lousy OR operations. they will not take you with them for the new or the most advanced operation. I spoke up one time, just to let them know how much I work, they asked the chief residents and they all testify for me, that I'm the hardest working guy. I still continued to list the hours, but instead of 116,I put it 100, but I notice, I'm getting more rewarding like the other guys if I follow the stream rather than being the black sheep.
it's a team work rather than, disputing and fighting, and if you want to learn in surgery you need to be very obedient, not like in any other branch. because remember, you are learing the skill of doing the surgery, in Medicine, it's easy to go and get your knowledge from any text book, in Surgery, it's with the attending taking your hand and let you do it yourself.

[Scylin]

While I agree that residents have to put in very long hours and have a ton to absorb, I wonder at the efficacy of an individual's learning if he or she has been working 100-120 hour weeks. I also, as a potential patient, would never want a resident near me who has been working that schedule for who knows how long. It's not fair to the safety of the patient to treat them when one's mental capacity is affected by overwork and lack of sleep. It's why they created those restrictions on a resident's schedule in the first place.

Just my 2 cents.