Anyone admitted or going to Fatima or UE this June?

[PrimeMD08]

hi everyone...I'm new to this forum. If you have been recently admitted to FU or UE please share your experience during the process. It would help also if you share how much is the tuition fee, donation fee, etc. PLease share the reason why you picked the school you are going into. Awaiting for your posts. Your ideas would be helpful because until now I have not come up with a definite decision yet where to go.

[hunteradam07]

hi everyone...I'm new to this forum. If you have been recently admitted to FU or UE please share your experience during the process. It would help also if you share how much is the tuition fee, donation fee, etc. PLease share the reason why you picked the school you are going into. Awaiting for your posts. Your ideas would be helpful because until now I have not come up with a definite decision yet where to go.
Let me jz said that went to FEU, but i have lot of friends are currently or graduated from FU. As far as they told me, the tution for Foreignners are ranging from 9G/year up to 20G/yr and the donation is from 6-10G on top of it. It's really depend on the program u take according to my friends. 20G/yr program is what the called 2 by 2 program, they are trying to copy US and Carribean schools, but i dont know if they will get approval from PI government or US since all PI medical schools are 3 yrs basic sciences and one year of clinical rotations. Either way you are going to pay up from 35,000-80,000 dollars for 4 years medical school at FU. Mean while most of PI medical schools charge around 2500 to 3000 per year and 10G donation. I think UE charged 9G-10G for donation and 4G/yr for tution, and it's a much better school with a well establish rep. I would go this way, if i was u or you can always go to FEU. I like my experienced there. Good luck.

[PrimeMD08]

Hunter....- have you graduated already or still on medical school? Since you are at FEU how do you plan to take your core clerkship in the US? I hope you are aware that a LOR from a US program director is important to place someone in a good standing in the residency match. Anyway, how imuch is your tuition at FEU? donation? housing cost?

[hunteradam07]

Hunter....- have you graduated already or still on medical school? Since you are at FEU how do you plan to take your core clerkship in the US? I hope you are aware that a LOR from a US program director is important to place someone in a good standing in the residency match. Anyway, how imuch is your tuition at FEU? donation? housing cost?
Yes i graduated already and currently study for my step 1. I did my clerkship in US (some of them anyway). I got my slot by an agency. Donation is 9g and tution was 1500/sem when i was there. Not sure if it's going up. Bt still hell a lot cheaper than FU, i can tell u that. Jz beware of FU and all the pit falls. To tell u the truth, if you put lot of works in even at FU, you can still succeeeeed :). My friends from FU are doing ok, they jz struggle through the step as most of us do :). I jz dont see why u have to pay so much for the same (if nt better) education at FEU, UST, EU, DLSU, St. Luke, Angeles, oh man the list is on and on. Good luck.

[PrimeMD08]

SO, that was nice that you were able to do core clerkship in the USA for you to get a LOR from a PD. I was wondering how did you do that? From what I've heard you can not take any core clerkship in the US if your school is not affiliated in a US hospital. If you would IM me and tell me that agent, I will greatly appreciate it. The bottom line is that If there is a way to do core clerkship in the US without going to FU or UE, I would consider going to other schools..... My friend is taking her CK2 on Thursday.

[hunteradam07]

SO, that was nice that you were able to do core clerkship in the USA for you to get a LOR from a PD. I was wondering how did you do that? From what I've heard you can not take any core clerkship in the US if your school is not affiliated in a US hospital. If you would IM me and tell me that agent, I will greatly appreciate it. The bottom line is that If there is a way to do core clerkship in the US without going to FU or UE, I would consider going to other schools..... My friend is taking her CK2 on Thursday.
Well back a few years ago, when i went to FEU, they would let you set up your own rotation as long as they are core rotations. I got an agent in Chicago that helped me to set up my rotations. However, they are not in bussiness anymore. I tried to help some of my Fatima friends when they were having problem with their clerkship (YES Fatima is having problem with the clerkship in Chicago). I contacted my old agent but they told me that they are not affilated with the hospital anymore. I guess i was jz very lucky. Oh, about the problem with Fatima clerkship in Chicago mainly they dont have enough slots for their students. From what my friends told me they only allow you to do max 3 months in Chitown, and the rest you have to set up yourself or go to NY rotation which is not Greenbook.

[trauma]

Here's what I found out about US hospital rotations and green books. Based on postings on the Caribbean students, different states treat green book requirements differently.
NY is the most lenient as long as the rotations you take in NY are greenbook, other states rotations does not have to be green book. From the hospital affiliations of FU and UERM in NY (Peninsula and SJEH) their only greenbook rotations there are IM (internal mediicine), Psych, and Pediatrics. Their common hospital rotation in Chicago (Jackson Park system) is green book on Family Medicine, OB-GYN, IM, and some Peds. California will accept rotations as long as the hospital is green book in Family Medicine (Family Medicine umbrella) but they are very strict on the number of weeks rotation. But other states don't recognize this "umbrella". It's really complicated as you have to determine what each state medical board will accept.

[freesiawhiz]

Hi, I'm a student of UERMMMC and an incoming 2nd year student. I just want to say that the university has changed its curriculum back to the traditional (since SY 2006). However, they've now improved the system by making sure that the lectures are taught in parallel. For example, if the topics in Anatomy are about the Digestive System, the Physio department will be teaching topics concerning the same system. While in Biochem, they'll be teaching the metabolic processes of CHO/Protein/Lipid. Also, in every semester, you'll be given 2 cases (to solve/discuss as a group; a clinical approach) that will aid you more in integrating Anatomy, Physio, and Biochem. Students are also given ISPs (Independent Study Periods).

Also, even when I was a first year, I already got to experience interviewing a patient (for the Patient-Doctor subject) and then make a patient history/profile (by group). I think having a Patient-Doctor (PD) subject is a good opportunity for students to have an early exposure in the clinics.

[Rambo8614]

Can someone from UERM provide me with a sample schedule of exams, classes etc. I want to have an idea of how I will be spending my time there.

Thankss

[samahantayo]

Hi, I'm a student of UERMMMC and an incoming 2nd year student. I just want to say that the university has changed its curriculum back to the traditional (since SY 2006). However, they've now improved the system by making sure that the lectures are taught in parallel. For example, if the topics in Anatomy are about the Digestive System, the Physio department will be teaching topics concerning the same system. While in Biochem, they'll be teaching the metabolic processes of CHO/Protein/Lipid. Also, in every semester, you'll be given 2 cases (to solve/discuss as a group; a clinical approach) that will aid you more in integrating Anatomy, Physio, and Biochem. Students are also given ISPs (Independent Study Periods).

Also, even when I was a first year, I already got to experience interviewing a patient (for the Patient-Doctor subject) and then make a patient history/profile (by group). I think having a Patient-Doctor (PD) subject is a good opportunity for students to have an early exposure in the clinics.

Hi, just curious, are you a Fil-Am or foreign student at UERMMC?

[samahantayo]

Also, curious, what is the attraction to FU since the tuition is right up there compared to other Universities in Manila that have been around much longer and have produced numerous med grads?

[hunteradam07]

Also, curious, what is the attraction to FU since the tuition is right up there compared to other Universities in Manila that have been around much longer and have produced numerous med grads?
FU's Tution is far more than any other medical schools in PI. It's ranging from 9G-20G/yr. It's depend on what program are u taking. I have no idea what is the attraction of FU beside paying much more for a few more possible slots in forth year. That is why the Santos make money, i guess. God helps those who go to FU!

[samahantayo]

I do not understand this "slot" thing:confused:. Whats the big deal:confused:??? All Pinoy med grads I know who come from many other schools have no problem with getting in residency in the US even if they did not do their clinicals in the US.

Where does this information come from???:confused::confused::confused:

[hunteradam07]

I do not understand this "slot" thing:confused:. Whats the big deal:confused:??? All Pinoy med grads I know who come from many other schools have no problem with getting in residency in the US even if they did not do their clinicals in the US.

Where does this information come from???:confused::confused::confused:
well a lot of IMG would like to have US clinical experiences, which would look good on CV. Also u can get LOR from US hospitals. Do u think a residency director would know who the hell is the chief of medicine at Quirrino Memorial Hospital or any of the PI hospital?

[samahantayo]

well a lot of IMG would like to have US clinical experiences, which would look good on CV. Also u can get LOR from US hospitals. Do u think a residency director would know who the hell is the chief of medicine at Quirrino Memorial Hospital or any of the PI hospital?

That may be but all the Pinoy physicians I know both recent and not-so recent including relatives never did clinicals in the US and never had problems getting residency. If anything, the issue is more on being able pass the usmle, physically get yourself in the US after finishing proper and get the interviews.

[trauma]

That may be but all the Pinoy physicians I know both recent and not-so recent including relatives never did clinicals in the US and never had problems getting residency. If anything, the issue is more on being able pass the usmle, physically get yourself in the US after finishing proper and get the interviews.
It's true that you can get residency without US clinical clerkship IN PRIMARY CARE fields like Family Medicine, Internal Medicine and Pediatrics especially in community programs. For those who are ambitious and wants to go to university programs or Emergency Medicine or Surgery, it's very difficult to do that nowadays (competition is getting stiffer every year) without US LOR.

[samahantayo]

It's true that you can get residency without US clinical clerkship IN PRIMARY CARE fields like Family Medicine, Internal Medicine and Pediatrics especially in community programs. For those who are ambitious and wants to go to university programs or Emergency Medicine or Surgery, it's very difficult to do that nowadays (competition is getting stiffer every year) without US LOR.

Generally speaking you are correct as far as Primary Care. However, that is not necessarily a limitation to go in to specialities. Again, I know residents who continue on to speciality residencies or even make it part of their 3 yr residency. There is no written rule that just b/c you did not do clinicals in the US that you are banned from getting into specialities as far as I know.

[trauma]

Generally speaking you are correct as far as Primary Care. However, that is not necessarily a limitation to go in to specialities. Again, I know residents who continue on to speciality residencies or even make it part of their 3 yr residency. There is no written rule that just b/c you did not do clinicals in the US that you are banned from getting into specialities as far as I know.
You can go into subspecialties from Internal Medicine or Pediatrics. That is the usual route for Filipino grads. However, i've never heard or read anybody going for surgery or EM directly who has no US CE in recent years. The last one who was able to do it was about 10 years ago.

[samahantayo]

I know Pinoys who are in surgery, anesthesiology and pathology. Never did clinicals in the US. In fact one just got accepted in a pathology program in Chicago. MCU grad.:lol:

[trauma]

I know Pinoys who are in surgery, anesthesiology and pathology. Never did clinicals in the US. In fact one just got accepted in a pathology program in Chicago. MCU grad.:lol:
Pathology is not very competitive. I know a bunch of Pinoy pathologists. However, the people who are surgeons matched more than 5 years ago. It's a different ballgame nowadays as it is becoming very competitive. Anesthesia is a maybe but still you don't want to leave it by chance.

[freesiawhiz]

Samahantayo -- Nope, I'm Pinay ;]

[samahantayo]

Samahantayo -- Nope, I'm Pinay ;]

Wow, I was in UERM last February visiting the admissions director. She even took me to a couple of living accommodations right behind the school.

[samahantayo]

Pathology is not very competitive. I know a bunch of Pinoy pathologists. However, the people who are surgeons matched more than 5 years ago. It's a different ballgame nowadays as it is becoming very competitive. Anesthesia is a maybe but still you don't want to leave it by chance.

I believe that the opportunities are there for the taking. The level of difficulty one encounters depends on the resourcefulness and aggressiveness of the individual. It may also vary depending on geographics. For example, there may be more opportunities in certain States than others.

One example is someone I know who finished in UERM, contacted hospitals in the US from PI and got several offers for interviews, flew to US and interviewed in 5-6 hospitals and had 3 matches. Just finished residency and now practicing.

[trauma]

I believe that the opportunities are there for the taking. The level of difficulty one encounters depends on the resourcefulness and aggressiveness of the individual. It may also vary depending on geographics. For example, there may be more opportunities in certain parts certain States than others.

One example is someone I know who finished in UERM, contacted hospitals in the US from PI and got several offers for interviews, flew to US and interviewed in 5-6 hospitals and had 3 matches.
As I said, Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, and Family Medicine, Psych are not problematic matches. You can do that coming from anywhere without any US clinical experience. It's only in few specialties where even American grads are having problems that will be more competitive each year. European countries like the UK has closed all opportunities for training for non-EU countries. So currently, only the US is the focus of most FMG's.

[freesiawhiz]

Wow, I was in UERM last February visiting the admissions director. She even took me to a couple of living accommodations right behind the school.

Ohh cool! :] I was just there two weeks ago to enroll. Hm school's gonna start soon. June 10 ;]

[samahantayo]

Ohh cool! :] I was just there two weeks ago to enroll. Hm school's gonna start soon. June 10 ;]

enrolling for premed or proper?

[freesiawhiz]

Proper. i'm on my 2nd year now. :)