Sgu versus UMHS

[Oldanllon]

My daughter is currently being interviewed for UMHS and if accepted, should she go here or SGU? UMHS constantly tells us that SGU grads are transferring here. They say their facilities are as good at a fraction of the cost. Experienced doctors or graduates from Caribbean schools input would be good here. Thank you.

[NYladoo]

My daughter is currently being interviewed for UMHS and if accepted, should she go here or SGU? UMHS constantly tells us that SGU grads are transferring here. They say their facilities are as good at a fraction of the cost. Experienced doctors or graduates from Caribbean schools input would be good here. Thank you.

SGU is the oldest medical institution in the Caribbean originally set up for American students and has the strongest reputation (it is after all called the Harvard of the Caribbean:)). It has graduates in very prestigious attending positions and residencies, and most importantly to students currently studying, a brand new exclusive $100 million contract to be the only foreign med school to rotate in NYC hospitals for the next 10 years. Rotations are available outside of NY and NJ due to SGU vast network of contacts. I recommend SGU for its recognition for excellence by medical students and residency programs. By the way, I'm in my last year of SGU and will be graduating this May.

[NYladoo]

By the way, how can SGU students continue to transfer to UMHS when it (UMHS) was recently founded this year?

[stephew]

My daughter is currently being interviewed for UMHS and if accepted, should she go here or SGU? UMHS constantly tells us that SGU grads are transferring here. They say their facilities are as good at a fraction of the cost. Experienced doctors or graduates from Caribbean schools input would be good here. Thank you.

I am a grad from SGU. I went to Johns Hopkins for residency. I have been moderator here since 2003. I rarely get into School A vs. School B issues (check my posts and you'll see). However I couldnt let this one slide if the school is giving you this information and we're talking ab out your kid. my suspicion is that it is patently untrue that SGU students are transferring at any rate into UMHS. I certainly can't say it never happened, but if so, rarely. the only people I see going there from sgu are people who failed out. In fact I NEVER knew anyone while I was there to transfer anyplace unless it was a US school. I know a few have, but again, its not common. So of this rare occasion, Id suspect an infinitesimally small number would be going to UMHS (Ross auc and saba would be more like it and again...small numbers).

I recommend your daughter come to this forum and ask questions directly. It is be her life, her decisions and her responsibility to get facts. Some parents occasionally post here but really, your daughter needs to learn to do this legwork on her own. In fact self-responsibility is the whole ethic of being a doc.

I will also say that i am not commenting on UMHS as a school in any way shape or form. I know nothing about it whatsoever. Simply that I am HIGHLY skeptical of this claim and would want hard data- numbers and over what time period and written explicit statement that these are folks who transfered rathered that dropped out of sgu. those are my thoughts.

[lswiltshire]

First SGU is the only school recognized by Caribbean educators.

SGU has been around for almost 30 years and has taken the time to develop the necessary infrastructure and relationships at clinical sites to make it the leader in the field among Caribbean offshore schools.

SGU has thus earned its position as the number 1 Caribbean offshore school; not only because of its longevity, but also because it has done its due diligence to produce a proper product.


The team of Dr R--s and Dr Th-------n at UMHS will no doubt repeat thier sucesses at Ross University, but it will take time to convert this potential situation to reality.


It is very unlikely that students would transfer to UMHS or any other school unless they were failing courses perpetually and perennially.

[butters]

First SGU is the only school recognized by Caribbean educators.

SGU has been around for almost 30 years and has taken the time to develop the necessary infrastructure and relationships at clinical sites to make it the leader in the field among Caribbean offshore schools.

SGU has thus earned its position as the number 1 Caribbean offshore school; not only because of its longevity, but also because it has done its due diligence to produce a proper product.


The team of Dr R--s and Dr Th-------n at UMHS will no doubt repeat thier sucesses at Ross University, but it will take time to convert this potential situation to reality.


It is very unlikely that students would transfer to UMHS or any other school unless they were failing courses perpetually and perennially.

I don't agree with the above highlighted statement as Ross, AUC, and Saba are other fine schools that are recognized as well.

Nonetheless, I agree with the above posters that SGU is a far better choice than UMHS...it has a proven track record which is very important. Getting a REsidency spot is becoming more difficult each application cycle so it's best to go with a school that is known and has a good reputation among Program Directors. Ultimately, the goal of medical education is to gain a REsidency spot.

[summerwind]

My daughter is currently being interviewed for UMHS and if accepted, should she go here or SGU? UMHS constantly tells us that SGU grads are transferring here. They say their facilities are as good at a fraction of the cost. Experienced doctors or graduates from Caribbean schools input would be good here. Thank you.

If the UMHS administration are telling you that SGU students are transferring to UMHS I would be suspicious of any other information that they are giving you.

[skull]

My daughter is currently being interviewed for UMHS and if accepted, should she go here or SGU? UMHS constantly tells us that SGU grads are transferring here. They say their facilities are as good at a fraction of the cost. Experienced doctors or graduates from Caribbean schools input would be good here. Thank you.
Come on guys, is this some kind of sick joke?

Steph, I did not think you would fall into this trap :)

looking at this poster's profile, it says that he/she is 2 years old, pr-med!

Not only that, in one of his/her old posts (http://www.valuemd.com/american-university-antigua-aua/151854-aua-versus-sgu.html#post772183), he/she claims to have been accepted to AUA SGU.

Now, you know that no school official would make such a redicolous and childish claim (even SGU official themselves would not say something like this).

I think users like this should be banned............
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Steph?

[summerwind]

Come on guys, is this some kind of sick joke?

Steph, I did not think you would fall into this trap :)

looking at this poster's profile, it says that he/she is 2 years old, pr-med!

Not only that, in one of his/her old posts (http://www.valuemd.com/american-university-antigua-aua/151854-aua-versus-sgu.html#post772183), he/she claims to have been accepted to AUA SGU.

Now, you know that no school official would make such a redicolous and childish claim (even SGU official themselves would not say something like this).

I think users like this should be banned............
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Steph?

Actually, the poster's profile said that he/she is 22 years old. In old posts Oldanllon has been consistent in his search for a med school for his daughter (assume his daughter is the 22 year old pre-med student). In previous posts he was inquiring about the differences between AUA and SGU. He has stated that cost is an important consideration in their choice.

[skull]

Actually, the poster's profile said that he/she is 22 years old. In old posts Oldanllon has been consistent in his search for a med school for his daughter (assume his daughter is the 22 year old pre-med student). In previous posts he was inquiring about the differences between AUA and SGU. He has stated that cost is an important consideration in their choice.

I meant to say "22".

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AUA versus SGU
have been accepted to both schools and am trying to decide which one to attend. thoughts? exclusivally self paying student so cost is a major decider...

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Does this sounds like he/she is looking for a school for his/her daughter? I did not know that "am" means her!

[summerwind]

I meant to say "22". But come on, this sounds childish!

Not necessarily, if Oldanllon has not researched the issue properly he could be taken in by fast talking lower tier schools. Some people do not even know the right questions to ask.

[stephew]

i wouldnt jump to any conclusions. in any event we dont discuss users with other users.


Come on guys, is this some kind of sick joke?

Steph, I did not think you would fall into this trap :)

looking at this poster's profile, it says that he/she is 2 years old, pr-med!

Not only that, in one of his/her old posts (http://www.valuemd.com/american-university-antigua-aua/151854-aua-versus-sgu.html#post772183), he/she claims to have been accepted to AUA SGU.

Now, you know that no school official would make such a redicolous and childish claim (even SGU official themselves would not say something like this).

I think users like this should be banned............
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Steph?

[Oldanllon]

Hi all. Sorry if my question was corny :confused: Indeed cost and living condition (island being the reason why ROSS was ruled out by her) are important factors for us. I appreciate all the replies.

[summerwind]

Hi all. Sorry if my question was corny :confused: Indeed cost and living condition (island being the reason why ROSS was ruled out by her) are important factors for us. I appreciate all the replies.

Not a problem, people think that the post must be joke because there is just no comparison between SGU and UMHS.

I was new on here once and asked some "corny" questions.

[Slaol_121]

Where UMHS beats SGU:
1) Class sizes are much smaller
2) Much cheaper = less financial risk if you flunk out

Where SGU beats UMHS:
1) US clinicals
2) Grads can get licensed in all 50 states (including CA)
3) SGU has a reputation in the US, where UMHS will have to earn a reputation

Risk of Attending UMHS
1) New School => no rep. in US
2) No US Clinicals yet
3) Not approved by any state licensing board
4)**EDIT** see below
5) Financial Aid options limited to a few lenders

There is always a risk with going to the Caribbean to medical school. Just because your daughter got accepted somewhere does not guarantee that she will pass her courses and get the necessary scores to land a decent residency.

I also agree with the previous poster that your daughter should be on here with you researching this information.

**EDIT** UMHS' sister campus, IUON, has both an associates and bachelors program in nursing. I had originally put that being on the same campus as an associates degree nursing program was a risk, I now retract that statement.

[monetsky]

Good points!

[cavalletti]

They say their facilities are as good at a fraction of the cost.



Remember, you get what you pay for. SGU has all greenbook clinicals and more spots than they can currently fill. UMHS doesn't have any clinical affiliations yet.

Anyone who knows SGU's campus will tell you that UMHS's campus doesn't come close to comparing. SGU could rival many campus in the US.

Compare these:

UMHS 100 1253 - ValueMD Photos Album (http://www.valuemd.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1309&c=55)

SGU St. George’s University - Caribbean Medical & Veterinary School (http://www.sgu.edu/website/sguwebsite.nsf/index.html?openFileResource&NS_cid=350) click on "Campus tour"

[Gigi25]

First SGU is the only school recognized by Caribbean educators.

This is most certainly just someone's opinion! Although SGU has the exclusive contract with NY (after all the school does have the money since tuition is pretty expensive), the other "big three" are viable choices esp for those that don't want to spend as much. I will admit that SGU is porbably the MOST recognized, as it is the oldest.

[mrpark01]

a brand new exclusive $100 million contract to be the only foreign med school to rotate in NYC hospitals for the next 10 years.

that's not true.
they made an agreement with HHC (the new york city health and hospitals corporation) which owns many of the major hospitals and facilities in NYC.
st. george's university is the only foreign school to have spots at HHC facilities for the next 10 years.
there are still plenty of facilities available to many other foreign medical schools.

nonetheless.
to the original poster..
if your child got into both schools..
unless SGU's tuition is impossible..
send her there.

[mrpark01]

I am a grad from SGU. I went to Johns Hopkins for residency. I have been moderator here since 2003. I rarely get into School A vs. School B issues (check my posts and you'll see). However I couldnt let this one slide if the school is giving you this information and we're talking ab out your kid. my suspicion is that it is patently untrue that SGU students are transferring at any rate into UMHS. I certainly can't say it never happened, but if so, rarely. the only people I see going there from sgu are people who failed out. In fact I NEVER knew anyone while I was there to transfer anyplace unless it was a US school. I know a few have, but again, its not common. So of this rare occasion, Id suspect an infinitesimally small number would be going to UMHS (Ross auc and saba would be more like it and again...small numbers).

I recommend your daughter come to this forum and ask questions directly. It is be her life, her decisions and her responsibility to get facts. Some parents occasionally post here but really, your daughter needs to learn to do this legwork on her own. In fact self-responsibility is the whole ethic of being a doc.

I will also say that i am not commenting on UMHS as a school in any way shape or form. I know nothing about it whatsoever. Simply that I am HIGHLY skeptical of this claim and would want hard data- numbers and over what time period and written explicit statement that these are folks who transfered rathered that dropped out of sgu. those are my thoughts.

VERY well said.