To potential students

[arvindself_50]

They have no accreditation and have a bunch of people who dont have an idea about teaching as proffs especially the genetics proff who gives research papers as medical genetics and will not even explain what it means.As for US rotations thats all a fluke

USMLE requires you to be ECFMG certified to take ur steps and ECFMG requires ur school be listed on IMED, this is all u need sit for ur steps and this is not just for allsaints but for all FMS, and ive given u the links below, please go take a look for uself to see if we are accredited or not, as far as the comment miscellenos made earlier about the prof, i look at this way, am not sure if u've ever been to an university, if u have everyone knows there r good pfros and bad profs, profs ppl like and profs ppl hate, so dont judge the shcool or its teaching standards based on one prof, am stuent here and have been since last may, i've had some excellent profs and thats my opinion, end of the day its up to u to decide whether u want to apply to a school or not.... am not saying all our students r happy, no school can say that, but for the students u who came here knowing wat they will get, they are happy and satisified, and for ppl like miscellenos who didnt care to research about the school and just landed here cause the tuition was low, well the school didnt match their expectation, simple as that.... this school is for anyone who wants to sit for their steps and ppl who dont expecte to practice in all 50 states, we dont have that yet, this school is only 2 years old, it is growing but dont come here looking for an exponential growth, we wont be new york accredited tomorrow, that being said, we have small class sizes, a decent faculty and nice campus to accomadate the number of students we have...if anyone has any other questions please feel free ask, i know this forum hasnt been all that active, as students who like going to allsaints we shall try to keep this forum active from now on!

IMED: IMED - FAIMER International Medical Education Directory - School Details (http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?country=305&school=&currpage=1&cname=DOMINICA&city=&region=CA&rname=Central+America%2FCaribbean&mcode=305020&psize=25)
ECFMG: ECFMG 2008 Information Booklet - ECFMG Certification (http://www.ecfmg.org/2008ib/ibcert.html#img_define)

[Beachdoctor]

hi , is this post for all saints aruba ?thats what i am interested in , planning to go this fall , can you give me more specific info on the place etc if you have time , thanks

[Beachdoctor]

Pratik thanks for your PM , I cant reply back cuz I dont have the supposedly 15 posts yet ,PM or Email, send me another reply with an email so I can ask you some more questions that are relevent to Asum Aruba (if you have the time that is ) thanks and best regards

[kay2dapee]

Im a prospective student could you tell me exactly which states you guys are allowed to practice in??

[arvindself_50]

Im a prospective student could you tell me exactly which states you guys are allowed to practice in??


As far as i know we can practice in all the states execpt california, texas, kansas and indiana. but i've heard there are some states that look at applicants on case by case basis. Where r u from, i recommend u pay a visit to the office in Toronto and have a chat with Dr.A, he can provied you with all the info, If ur not from canada just email the office or just call, they are very helpful.

[kay2dapee]

yea im 4rm Atlanta an im really interested wat is the school email??:)

[kay2dapee]

an oh yea do u kno if the school has been approved by any states yet??

[mona_zahiri]

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[Sree Cheruku]

As far as i know we can practice in all the states execpt california, texas, kansas and indiana.

You can practice in far fewer states than that if your school doesn't offer Greenbook core rotations. My signature has a list of states that require Green cores.


everyone fort wayne is green book for everything

If you are talking about Fort Wayne in Indiana, it is only Green for Family medicine and Orthopedics.

[stephew]

folks you had better review the terms of service you all agreed to. if you have a PM to edit your post you should take that seriously.

[veegeer]

can some one plz tell me if we get vegetables and indian food items in Dominica? and how costly is a single bed room flat ? will it be furnished?

[poundays.R.U]

Update:

The school now is asking for student to sign a contract with school , my friends are telling me the school is making every student do this..

If this is really happening then, i know for a fact this school is going down, and is going down fast..

Please ask about the charter, Green-Book clinicals and what if you want to leave after not enjoying being ripped off..

This is how St.Chris went down too, not like this but these guys did the same thing

[Zooss]

you are right PRU.. this school is finished.. I dont think they can sink any lower than that. but with mr.p and dr Y you never know hahahaha

[Magen-MD]

usmle Requires You To Be Ecfmg Certified To Take Ur Steps And Ecfmg Requires Ur School Be Listed On Imed, This Is All U Need Sit For Ur Steps And This Is Not Just For Allsaints But For All Fms, And Ive Given U The Links Below, Please Go Take A Look For Uself To See If We Are Accredited Or Not, As Far As The Comment Miscellenos Made Earlier About The Prof, I Look At This Way, Am Not Sure If U've Ever Been To An University, If U Have Everyone Knows There R Good Pfros And Bad Profs, Profs Ppl Like And Profs Ppl Hate, So Dont Judge The Shcool Or Its Teaching Standards Based On One Prof, Am Stuent Here And Have Been Since Last May, I've Had Some Excellent Profs And Thats My Opinion, End Of The Day Its Up To U To Decide Whether U Want To Apply To A School Or Not.... Am Not Saying All Our Students R Happy, No School Can Say That, But For The Students U Who Came Here Knowing Wat They Will Get, They Are Happy And Satisified, And For Ppl Like Miscellenos Who Didnt Care To Research About The School And Just Landed Here Cause The Tuition Was Low, Well The School Didnt Match Their Expectation, Simple As That.... This School Is For Anyone Who Wants To Sit For Their Steps And Ppl Who Dont Expecte To Practice In All 50 States, We Dont Have That Yet, This School Is Only 2 Years Old, It Is Growing But Dont Come Here Looking For An Exponential Growth, We Wont Be New York Accredited Tomorrow, That Being Said, We Have Small Class Sizes, A Decent Faculty And Nice Campus To Accomadate The Number Of Students We Have...if Anyone Has Any Other Questions Please Feel Free Ask, I Know This Forum Hasnt Been All That Active, As Students Who Like Going To Allsaints We Shall Try To Keep This Forum Active From Now On!

Imed: imed - Faimer International Medical Education Directory - School Details (http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?country=305&school=&currpage=1&cname=dominica&city=&region=ca&rname=central+america%2fcaribbean&mcode=305020&psize=25)
Ecfmg: ecfmg 2008 Information Booklet - Ecfmg Certification (http://www.ecfmg.org/2008ib/ibcert.html#img_define)


Well Expressed!!!

[brob311]

Update:

The school now is asking for student to sign a contract with school , my friends are telling me the school is making every student do this..

If this is really happening then, i know for a fact this school is going down, and is going down fast..

Please ask about the charter, Green-Book clinicals and what if you want to leave after not enjoying being ripped off..

This is how St.Chris went down too, not like this but these guys did the same thing

Well Expressed!!

[ALL_Saints_United]

USMLE requires you to be ECFMG certified to take ur steps and ECFMG requires ur school be listed on IMED, this is all u need sit for ur steps and this is not just for allsaints but for all FMS, and ive given u the links below, please go take a look for uself to see if we are accredited or not, as far as the comment miscellenos made earlier about the prof, i look at this way, am not sure if u've ever been to an university, if u have everyone knows there r good pfros and bad profs, profs ppl like and profs ppl hate, so dont judge the shcool or its teaching standards based on one prof, am stuent here and have been since last may, i've had some excellent profs and thats my opinion, end of the day its up to u to decide whether u want to apply to a school or not.... am not saying all our students r happy, no school can say that, but for the students u who came here knowing wat they will get, they are happy and satisified, and for ppl like miscellenos who didnt care to research about the school and just landed here cause the tuition was low, well the school didnt match their expectation, simple as that.... this school is for anyone who wants to sit for their steps and ppl who dont expecte to practice in all 50 states, we dont have that yet, this school is only 2 years old, it is growing but dont come here looking for an exponential growth, we wont be new york accredited tomorrow, that being said, we have small class sizes, a decent faculty and nice campus to accomadate the number of students we have...if anyone has any other questions please feel free ask, i know this forum hasnt been all that active, as students who like going to allsaints we shall try to keep this forum active from now on!





with this school Arvind you and your crew will never even make it far..

[arvindself_50]

wow how easy it is to sit behind a computer all masked up. i dont know who zooos, p.r.u or all saints united are, but how come i never hear your voices raised @ student meetings, b/c why dont you raise your complaints to your fellow students, wat difference are you going to make, taking trash on value md, do u think brob11 is going to come support you, express your opinion in front of the school, if enough students feel the same way as you do then we all can say we have a problem and take the steps necessary, or if ur too scared, which i think u all r, you dont have to come out, send me a pm with all ur complaints i.e. making us sign a contract, no green book ect. i will try to arrange a general student body meeting! b/c none of you seem to be complaining in school, where all this needs to be heard. My name is on my id so if u see me in school pull me aside and talk to me, but my guess would be none of this will happen, you all will still be talking b.s. in here where couple of students from other school will be cheering you on, while they dont really give a dime about you!

[arvindself_50]

with this school Arvind you and your crew will never even make it far..

Well thank you for your concern, i think we all have minds, i think me and "MY crew" know wat we are exactly in for, but am not so sure why your in this school, but hey may be you got tricked by a couple of old guys! lol

[Zooss]

arvind you and magen md.. always insist that value md is useless and it is nothing but B.S.. if that is true then why the two of you are so concerned about it.. I don't know who are all the ppl that you mentioned in your post either so I can not talk for them but I express my opinions no matter what and noe one has the right to tell me not to.. after all that is what this site is for.. now you are a fan of this school and you think highly of it that is fine that is your oppinion and I respect it but dont ever tell me not to express mine.. I have nothing to say to ppl who are already in this school because they can see everything for themselves but my goal is to save new students from making a bug mistake and that is going somewhere with out any research and becoming an easy target for con artists such as P and Y. and dont even dream that any one is scared of you or any one else of these pirates of the carribean ( the admin). you have a lot of confidence for a small guy.. no one needs to take you to corner and talk to you because you are not responsible in this school and you have no authority so come and express you oppinion from the school freely like all of us and dont try to intimidate anyone to impress dr Y because it wont work.
thank you.

[arvindself_50]

arvind you and magen md.. always insist that value md is useless and it is nothing but B.S.. if that is true then why the two of you are so concerned about it.. I don't know who are all the ppl that you mentioned in your post either so I can not talk for them but I express my opinions no matter what and noe one has the right to tell me not to.. after all that is what this site is for.. now you are a fan of this school and you think highly of it that is fine that is your oppinion and I respect it but dont ever tell me not to express mine.. I have nothing to say to ppl who are already in this school because they can see everything for themselves but my goal is to save new students from making a bug mistake and that is going somewhere with out any research and becoming an easy target for con artists such as P and Y. and dont even dream that any one is scared of you or any one else of these pirates of the carribean ( the admin). you have a lot of confidence for a small guy.. no one needs to take you to corner and talk to you because you are not responsible in this school and you have no authority so come and express you oppinion from the school freely like all of us and dont try to intimidate anyone to impress dr Y because it wont work.
thank you.


hahahah..lol.... "dont even dream that any one is scared of you or any one else of these pirates of the carribean ( the admin). you have a lot of confidence for a small guy" clearly ur tough big guy, then why dont you be a man and voice ur opinion infront of the school, u say u got coned, by P and Y i am sorry but if ur really blaming P and Y for bringin you into the school, i feel sorry for u and cant believe a 20 some year oldfuture doc, got sold just by P and Y, why didnt u do u research before, form day one there has always been negative post on value md about allsaints, why did u choose to start posting and research about the school after u got here, its supposed to be the other way around my friend... dont blame the school, blame yourself u choose to come here, nobody draged you here.

u dont need to be threatened by my comments, i just a small guy, who just happens to put his initials so P and Y can look at all the good things i say and give me free education lol... r u serious...grow up man!

[Zooss]

hahahah..lol.... "dont even dream that any one is scared of you or any one else of these pirates of the carribean ( the admin). you have a lot of confidence for a small guy" clearly ur tough big guy, then why dont you be a man and voice ur opinion infront of the school, u say u got coned, by P and Y i am sorry but if ur really blaming P and Y for bringin you into the school, i feel sorry for u and cant believe a 20 some year oldfuture doc, got sold just by P and Y, why didnt u do u research before, form day one there has always been negative post on value md about allsaints, why did u choose to start posting and research about the school after u got here, its supposed to be the other way around my friend... dont blame the school, blame yourself u choose to come here, nobody draged you here.

u dont need to be threatened by my comments, i just a small guy, who just happens to put his initials so P and Y can look at all the good things i say and give me free education lol... r u serious...grow up man!
yes arvind maybe I did get coned by p and Y and it is my mistake not to research before going to a school I dont deny any of that.. but atleast I'm smart enough to learn from my mistakes and improve. you can't honestly tell ppl that you have never made a mistake? we all make mistakes that is not a sign of being stupid.. what is important is learning from your mistakes which clearly you do not want to do which draws the line between intelligence and ignorance.. even doctors that you always like to talk about make many mistakes every day.. so yes i did make a mistake by coming here and now I have fixed my mistake and I want to help future students not to make the same mistake.. as I said before If you are happy with the school come and name its positive points that is your right but do not try to make personal issues with ppl over their point of view instead if you really love your school try to make it better instead of covering its flaws..

[arvindself_50]

yes arvind maybe I did get coned by p and Y and it is my mistake not to research before going to a school I dont deny any of that.. but atleast I'm smart enough to learn from my mistakes and improve. you can't honestly tell ppl that you have never made a mistake? we all make mistakes that is not a sign of being stupid.. what is important is learning from your mistakes which clearly you do not want to do which draws the line between intelligence and ignorance.. even doctors that you always like to talk about make many mistakes every day.. so yes i did make a mistake by coming here and now I have fixed my mistake and I want to help future students not to make the same mistake.. as I said before If you are happy with the school come and name its positive points that is your right but do not try to make personal issues with ppl over their point of view instead if you really love your school try to make it better instead of covering its flaws..


i've never made anything personal... go check all my posts i never boast about our school, i dont try to feed false info to potential students..... i tell them how i feel period...and i dont include rumours that are going around.. b/c wat ur doing is supporting P.R.U who is basically a ex student whos at windsor and taking a stab at every rumour possible and u go along with that person saying yes...i like my school... i am proud and thankfull for the opportunity this school has given me... lets not lie/kid or selves we r here b/c we couldnt get into a north american school...u said i cant do anything b/c am just a student.. wrong if a bunch students stand up for wats right anything can be changed and thats wat i told u do... if things are not rite fight for ur rights... if its for the right cause most students will support u... u keep talking about flaws every school has flaws.. our school is barely 2 and some years old...offcourse its going to have flaws...u think big schools are perfect no.. they have their own problems, but at a different level....if u cant work around then u leave, if u want read all my posts my intentions are to make my school grow and if i c false acquisitions made about it i will speak up.... try to use constructive criticism, which will help both the school and future students, instead of bashing and trying to validate rumours!

[Zooss]

i've never made anything personal... go check all my posts i never boast about our school, i dont try to feed false info to potential students..... i tell them how i feel period...and i dont include rumours that are going around.. b/c wat ur doing is supporting P.R.U who is basically a ex student whos at windsor and taking a stab at every rumour possible and u go along with that person saying yes...i like my school... i am proud and thankfull for the opportunity this school has given me... lets not lie/kid or selves we r here b/c we couldnt get into a north american school...u said i cant do anything b/c am just a student.. wrong if a bunch students stand up for wats right anything can be changed and thats wat i told u do... if things are not rite fight for ur rights... if its for the right cause most students will support u... u keep talking about flaws every school has flaws.. our school is barely 2 and some years old...offcourse its going to have flaws...u think big schools are perfect no.. they have their own problems, but at a different level....if u cant work around then u leave, if u want read all my posts my intentions are to make my school grow and if i c false acquisitions made about it i will speak up.... try to use constructive criticism, which will help both the school and future students, instead of bashing and trying to validate rumours!
I do not know who is P.R.U and im not supporting him in any way. I may have agreed with him over afew points that he has posted in the past but if you read all my posts you will see that Im just trying to voice my own opinion too and Im not trying to bash the school for fun.. after all why would I? what ever I have said is pure facts that I and many other students have experienced here nothing more or less. It is true that this school is only 2 years old but there are newer schools with better accreditation and better management and more care for their students.. so I don't think school should use being new as an excuse, and I want to ask you do you really trust P and Y and do you really think they are looking after your interest? or just after making more money at the expense of your future... see in most med schools the student's mind is not occupied with making their school better or all these poetic themes I hear in this school.. they get what they were promised and that's it they are here to study it is admins job to make the school.. we may have not gotten in to american schools or canadian schools but does that mean we should be treated like animals? (ex: stranded in the airport when you arrive to dominica for the first time?) or our school's website do you think its a professional one? is there even a course outline on it? anyways Im glad you are happy with this school and good luck in the future too..

[Priceless]

I don't think you can say that you are treated like an animal - Do North American schools pick you up at the airport? University it is your time to grow up and be an adult. Now I was fortunate when I began on the island a few years ago that I did have someone there for me to pick me up, but even if the person wasn't there I had all the contact numbers and there are tons of taxi's waiting to drive you. At least now they all know where the University is which is more than I can say for when I got there and the University was still brand new.

Did you see the schools website 2 years ago - this one looks very professional compared to that. It takes time and the owners are learning themselves. I don't want you to think that this is an excuse because it isn't - its the truth. We all have a learning curve and different obstacles to face which will make each school progress at different levels.

[Zooss]

I don't think you can say that you are treated like an animal - Do North American schools pick you up at the airport? University it is your time to grow up and be an adult. Now I was fortunate when I began on the island a few years ago that I did have someone there for me to pick me up, but even if the person wasn't there I had all the contact numbers and there are tons of taxi's waiting to drive you. At least now they all know where the University is which is more than I can say for when I got there and the University was still brand new.
Did you see the schools website 2 years ago - this one looks very professional compared to that. It takes time and the owners are learning themselves. I don't want you to think that this is an excuse because it isn't - its the truth. We all have a learning curve and different obstacles to face which will make each school progress at different levels.
priceless your comment was really priceless lol. in northamerican schools no one needs to pick you up because things are advanced enough to find you way anywhere any time, you can't compare U.S or Canada with this place. second of all it is different if they tell you from beginning that no one will pick you up but if they promise one thing and tell you person X will come and take you and then when you get there you stare at the empty street it is another thing. the school website is a disaster I don't think you know too much about websites.. you should compare it with other school not to itself when it was worse.. that is not something that needs too much money to be better either it just reflects the school I guess. lastly please stop trying to convince me that this is school is good because I won't get fooled twice specially after Ive seen how things are here.. advertise to new students all you want but dont sell it to me cuz im not buying. In terms of growing up you should follow your own advice and see what is your goal to be here if you want to be a doctor you might need a reality check and if you are here to spend some time and get a degree that it is only suited for the wall of the basement then you are definitely in the right place. med school is and obstacle academicly in most places and the school tries to make it easier on the students by providing some basic needs. here it is reverse.. academics are a joke but they throw so many other problems your way that drives you crazy..any way like I said to others before if you are happy good for you .. if you want to promote the school to new students that is fine too but dont promote it to me.
take care

[arvindself_50]

I do not know who is P.R.U and im not supporting him in any way. I may have agreed with him over afew points that he has posted in the past but if you read all my posts you will see that Im just trying to voice my own opinion too and Im not trying to bash the school for fun.. after all why would I? what ever I have said is pure facts that I and many other students have experienced here nothing more or less. It is true that this school is only 2 years old but there are newer schools with better accreditation and better management and more care for their students.. so I don't think school should use being new as an excuse, and I want to ask you do you really trust P and Y and do you really think they are looking after your interest? or just after making more money at the expense of your future... see in most med schools the student's mind is not occupied with making their school better or all these poetic themes I hear in this school.. they get what they were promised and that's it they are here to study it is admins job to make the school.. we may have not gotten in to american schools or canadian schools but does that mean we should be treated like animals? (ex: stranded in the airport when you arrive to dominica for the first time?) or our school's website do you think its a professional one? is there even a course outline on it? anyways Im glad you are happy with this school and good luck in the future too..


well as of now my answer would be yes, b/c they havent made any false promises yet, if u going to say oh this school is not accerited, they lied about accreditation and oh the comment about there are newer schools with better accreditation, well my friend not really, unless offcourse ur talking about AUA in which case dose have NY, but offcourse its been open longer than our school, take a look for urself and correct me if am wrong windsor(open for 10yrs) no accrditation, St.james(10+) no, st.eustatius (9+) no, Xavier (7+) nope.. well u get the drift... and dont talk about the WHO being an accrediation, b/c its being replaced and no new schools have it... hmmm they want to make money and run away, they dont care about us!...well while am not sure to what extent they care about us, they sure care about their school,else they could have closed it down long time ago, why spend all the money building labs, buying books for library, why spend money trying to accredit the school, do u know how much it costs for an accreditation vist... well look in to it...not cheap thats for sure....they can have the school open without an accreditation, b/c we have the charter and ecfmg approval... which all schools have, our accreditaion that took place was for, the approval of dominican medical board.. its just another medical board...like NY medical board.... well just b/c u had a bad experience dosent mean everyone gets treated like animals... my experience was different... got picked up got droped off...so dont judge the admin... am not saying they are the best..but if u ask around or even look at value md u will c most ppl arent happy with their admin...just get used it....its not about being poetic, well it a little something called school spirit... which u clearly havent heard off...and this is how i express it... if i feel like someones bad mouthing my school i will defend it, simple as that....pls go take a look @ other schools websites... ours is way better than most!

one question though i looked @ your posts and u have been complaining/informing future students about this school more than a semester.... why did u not leave after the first semester...b/c i c u've made posts last semester as well?..

[Priceless]

priceless your comment was really priceless lol. in northamerican schools no one needs to pick you up because things are advanced enough to find you way anywhere any time, you can't compare U.S or Canada with this place. second of all it is different if they tell you from beginning that no one will pick you up but if they promise one thing and tell you person X will come and take you and then when you get there you stare at the empty street it is another thing. the school website is a disaster I don't think you know too much about websites.. you should compare it with other school not to itself when it was worse.. that is not something that needs too much money to be better either it just reflects the school I guess. lastly please stop trying to convince me that this is school is good because I won't get fooled twice specially after Ive seen how things are here.. advertise to new students all you want but dont sell it to me cuz im not buying. In terms of growing up you should follow your own advice and see what is your goal to be here if you want to be a doctor you might need a reality check and if you are here to spend some time and get a degree that it is only suited for the wall of the basement then you are definitely in the right place. med school is and obstacle academicly in most places and the school tries to make it easier on the students by providing some basic needs. here it is reverse.. academics are a joke but they throw so many other problems your way that drives you crazy..any way like I said to others before if you are happy good for you .. if you want to promote the school to new students that is fine too but dont promote it to me.
take care


First, the priceless comment was fantastic I hope you didn't spend your day thinking of it. Now correct me if I am wrong (which I am sure you will think I am) - If you go to a medical school in North America and you fly into an airport how do you get from the airport to the school/dorms? You probably catch a taxi - now tell me what is different about that then Dominica - I have been in and out of that Airports more than a dozen times and I have never had a problem getting a taxi. I don't know maybe you were just upset that no body was there to take your bags and watch your head while getting into the vehicle. It might have been a scheduling mistake - it does happen, especially with Liat. Second, if the website is so bad why did you go to All Saints - Have you looked at Windsors website? They just updated it and it is still worse than All Saints - and who cares its a website either you like it or you don't - my god why don't you complain about something that matters. Lastly, I promise I am not trying to sell you on the school - you are exactly the type of person the school doesn't need I think everyone would be happier if you weren't there. I don't think the school needs to be sold. People can make their own decisions on their education - I personally don't recommend anyone going to a school without doing a site visit first. Talk with students, admin and maybe even some teachers that way you know what you are getting into.

[Zooss]

First, the priceless comment was fantastic I hope you didn't spend your day thinking of it. Now correct me if I am wrong (which I am sure you will think I am) - If you go to a medical school in North America and you fly into an airport how do you get from the airport to the school/dorms? You probably catch a taxi - now tell me what is different about that then Dominica - I have been in and out of that Airports more than a dozen times and I have never had a problem getting a taxi. I don't know maybe you were just upset that no body was there to take your bags and watch your head while getting into the vehicle. It might have been a scheduling mistake - it does happen, especially with Liat. Second, if the website is so bad why did you go to All Saints - Have you looked at Windsors website? They just updated it and it is still worse than All Saints - and who cares its a website either you like it or you don't - my god why don't you complain about something that matters. Lastly, I promise I am not trying to sell you on the school - you are exactly the type of person the school doesn't need I think everyone would be happier if you weren't there. I don't think the school needs to be sold. People can make their own decisions on their education - I personally don't recommend anyone going to a school without doing a site visit first. Talk with students, admin and maybe even some teachers that way you know what you are getting into.
first of all pricelss comment only took me a second.. and the way you talk revealed who you are too.. seems like the only ppl who are happy with this school are the ppl in your class and that is ok because most of them dont' know any better. you should have read arvind's post before writing all this non sense because you just copied everything he said.. website is something that matters and keeping promises to the students is another thing that matters so don't try to make it sound like its nothing and why do you always feel like competing with windsor? is it because alot of students from your school are going there every semester? oh well you shouldnt be too sad after all this school has you and your friends im sure the 10 of you can keep this school up and running for another year untill it closes down lol. it is funny because the admin has called many students practically begging them to stay promising them lowered tuitions lol. sounds like a real professional med school. and consider me gone im sure school will really improve without me. I just hope you can finally get a dean to stay here and not disappear lol. I wish we all knew who the dean was in the first place... or maybe he is just a myth like the accreditation lol. anyways you have got your wish im not there anymore to make your school worse so dont worry about that.. but I will keep what im doing and inform new students of what is really going on... standing fro the truth is what I like to do not sucking up to a washed up admin for some discount or a promise of clinicals in fort wayne which means nothing.. anyways have fun with your school new and improved..

[Zooss]

well as of now my answer would be yes, b/c they havent made any false promises yet, if u going to say oh this school is not accerited, they lied about accreditation and oh the comment about there are newer schools with better accreditation, well my friend not really, unless offcourse ur talking about AUA in which case dose have NY, but offcourse its been open longer than our school, take a look for urself and correct me if am wrong windsor(open for 10yrs) no accrditation, St.james(10+) no, st.eustatius (9+) no, Xavier (7+) nope.. well u get the drift... and dont talk about the WHO being an accrediation, b/c its being replaced and no new schools have it... hmmm they want to make money and run away, they dont care about us!...well while am not sure to what extent they care about us, they sure care about their school,else they could have closed it down long time ago, why spend all the money building labs, buying books for library, why spend money trying to accredit the school, do u know how much it costs for an accreditation vist... well look in to it...not cheap thats for sure....they can have the school open without an accreditation, b/c we have the charter and ecfmg approval... which all schools have, our accreditaion that took place was for, the approval of dominican medical board.. its just another medical board...like NY medical board.... well just b/c u had a bad experience dosent mean everyone gets treated like animals... my experience was different... got picked up got droped off...so dont judge the admin... am not saying they are the best..but if u ask around or even look at value md u will c most ppl arent happy with their admin...just get used it....its not about being poetic, well it a little something called school spirit... which u clearly havent heard off...and this is how i express it... if i feel like someones bad mouthing my school i will defend it, simple as that....pls go take a look @ other schools websites... ours is way better than most!

one question though i looked @ your posts and u have been complaining/informing future students about this school more than a semester.... why did u not leave after the first semester...b/c i c u've made posts last semester as well?..
first to answer your last concern.. I am no longer here and I will continue posting to inform new students of my experience as long as possible.. second windsor does have more accreditation than here and if not they give their students lots of things like free housing free transportation and free lunch because their campus is out of town so there is piece and quiet when you are in class not street cars honking and reggae music blazing and ppl yelling outside.. they also have AC in all classes that actually works not just in the office. They have sitting areas and lounges with chairs and tables and couches that are not broken and stink like in allsaints lounge. and soon I will post the pictures of the school inside and out for future students to make up their decision. and also I will advise them to bring their own toilet paper to school with them specially girls.
anyways arvind like I told priceless a.K.A (KU**) good luck to you guys with your future and your beloved school I'm out so dont argue with me about the school but I will continue informing future students so don't bother writing to me anymore..

[arvindself_50]

first to answer your last concern.. I am no longer here and I will continue posting to inform new students of my experience as long as possible.. second windsor does have more accreditation than here and if not they give their students lots of things like free housing free transportation and free lunch because their campus is out of town so there is piece and quiet when you are in class not street cars honking and reggae music blazing and ppl yelling outside.. they also have AC in all classes that actually works not just in the office. They have sitting areas and lounges with chairs and tables and couches that are not broken and stink like in allsaints lounge. and soon I will post the pictures of the school inside and out for future students to make up their decision. and also I will advise them to bring their own toilet paper to school with them specially girls.
anyways arvind like I told priceless a.K.A (KU**) good luck to you guys with your future and your beloved school I'm out so dont argue with me about the school but I will continue informing future students so don't bother writing to me anymore..

hahah.. seriously theres no point in replying to u anymore... if u had read pricless's posts properly u would know its not (ku**) i dont expect anything more form you... even after the person signs of as price...jeez..watever not everyone comprehends at the same level...u keep doin wat u do best... and no windsor dosent have any accreditation...and i recommend u not go to windsor..cause u will feel the same as u do here.. the free housing is not the best, the food past only everyday, most importantly the school has been open for 10yrs and still their library is smaller than ours...u have to pay for every week of clinical rotation+ tuition....plz do the students of windsor a favour and dont go there.. cause u will end up doin the same thing u did here, complain..complain...ohthey said this...but they had this...blah..blah..blah..really my advice...grow up learn to adjust... if u really arent here @ this school now like u claim ( but i still think u are) .. it dosent take long to guess who u are... cause u were the only one who left the school... never saw u as a someone who'd stoop to this level..well i learnt not to judge a book by its cover!

[bboybetts]

I was wondering who Priceless was, but i am pretty sure he has another account if it is JP. his other name is Asclepios.

But what i dont understand is why, when all you and your friends Arvind are talking about Price leaving this school and transferring, why is he writting these things..

[arvindself_50]

I was wondering who Priceless was, but i am pretty sure he has another account if it is JP. his other name is Asclepios.

But what i dont understand is why, when all you and your friends Arvind are talking about Price leaving this school and transferring, why is he writting these things..



oh here we go again.. another one who has no clue about priceless.. do u know him..is he ur friend.. u do know wat his plans are.. man just lay off with ur rumours... how do u know wat me and my friends are talking...wat r u the gossip queen of the school...try to stay out of other ppls personal life!

[Zooss]

hahah.. seriously theres no point in replying to u anymore... if u had read pricless's posts properly u would know its not (ku**) i dont expect anything more form you... even after the person signs of as price...jeez..watever not everyone comprehends at the same level...u keep doin wat u do best... and no windsor dosent have any accreditation...and i recommend u not go to windsor..cause u will feel the same as u do here.. the free housing is not the best, the food past only everyday, most importantly the school has been open for 10yrs and still their library is smaller than ours...u have to pay for every week of clinical rotation+ tuition....plz do the students of windsor a favour and dont go there.. cause u will end up doin the same thing u did here, complain..complain...ohthey said this...but they had this...blah..blah..blah..really my advice...grow up learn to adjust... if u really arent here @ this school now like u claim ( but i still think u are) .. it dosent take long to guess who u are... cause u were the only one who left the school... never saw u as a someone who'd stoop to this level..well i learnt not to judge a book by its cover!
I don't really care what you think about windsor students here in windsor are alot happier with their school and i have seen with my own eyes that they back up what they say atleast more than your heroes P and Y.. when is that last time they reached in their pocket to do anything for their students? you act like they're poorer than the bums on the street, do you know how much they make off of ppl like you? and you are impressed they spend some money for that show called the accreditation? wow.. you need to grow up but i'm afraid when you do it will be too late.. I am very happy where I am so you don't need to be concerned about that and it won't take you and your friends a long time to realize the truth.. you guys are in mdIV now and after fifth semester in clinicals it will hit you.. once you are there you will see what I was talking about..may be that will bring you out of this high school mood that you are stuck in.

[arvindself_50]

I don't really care what you think about windsor students here in windsor are alot happier with their school and i have seen with my own eyes that they back up what they say atleast more than your heroes P and Y.. when is that last time they reached in their pocket to do anything for their students? you act like they're poorer than the bums on the street, do you know how much they make off of ppl like you? and you are impressed they spend some money for that show called the accreditation? wow.. you need to grow up but i'm afraid when you do it will be too late.. I am very happy where I am so you don't need to be concerned about that and it won't take you and your friends a long time to realize the truth.. you guys are in mdIV now and after fifth semester in clinicals it will hit you.. once you are there you will see what I was talking about..may be that will bring you out of this high school mood that you are stuck in.

hahah...do u really want me to reply to this... say wat u want ppl like u will never be happy no matter where u go..even if u get into harvard u will find something to complain about!... u know wat i've just realized and am going to have to thank you for this..i''ve just wasted about 30 mins of my life replying back to ur pathetic msgs... thank you so much!

[bboybetts]

Arvind you still have'nt answered my Question yet.

Is priceless in UK in windsor or is he in some European country or is he still in this school

Also please dont bash Zoos. i do believe her/him , on the accred matter being fake and all...

but where is price...

Y said he transferred.

Also about his other account on ValueMD...

[Zooss]

hahah...do u really want me to reply to this... say wat u want ppl like u will never be happy no matter where u go..even if u get into harvard u will find something to complain about!... u know wat i've just realized and am going to have to thank you for this..i''ve just wasted about 30 mins of my life replying back to ur pathetic msgs... thank you so much!
well I am really happy where I am regardless of your non sense comments.. you did waste 30 minutes trying to come up with something to write and before you know you will waste 3 years with this pathetic school..
you are welcome.

[bboybetts]

well I am really happy where I am regardless of your non sense comments.. you did waste 30 minutes trying to come up with something to write and before you know you will waste 3 years with this pathetic school..
you are welcome.


LoL..... This is better then Soccer.....

[arvindself_50]

Arvind you still have'nt answered my Question yet.

Is priceless in UK in windsor or is he in some European country or is he still in this school

Also please dont bash Zoos. i do believe her/him , on the accred matter being fake and all...

but where is price...

Y said he transferred.

Also about his other account on ValueMD...

dude why do u care where price is... and how do u know he has an another account, u werent a friend of his... if u were close enough to him, he would have told u that rite... and really this zoos character is still in our school and hes not at windsor... and he just gave me a bunch of b.s. about how hes at windsor... we all know how ur class feels about the school, he and u are no exceptions!

[xyresic]

wow...i've missed out on a lot...Arvind honestly if they feel like they're saving us and future students from the wrath of All Saints then let them be. It isn't worth your time and energy to care for these people.

[ALL_Saints_United]

Arvind you want constructive criticism right? SO here some constructive criticism.
School brought some actors/ Doctors/ friends of friends, for money down to this school and then to Aruba for some pleasure enjoyment of weather. School told it students this was the New York Medical Board and as of now some students think this is actually the case.
Then the school paid some people such as Dr.D from MDCSA and even brought down our beloved registrar from Canada down to school. They held a meeting which there is video taped conversation of Mr.Y and Mr. P just lying out of there teeth.
As of now this school does not have any Green-Book Hospitals for so many Core rotations.

Then the school tells us, tries to brain wash us by not doing there job correct, about accreditation committee needs to accred the clinical site’s now. But Hello ADMIN , it was a step up in the first place anyways.

I think if this is a real accred committee then we should be very scared for them to even see we have no Green-Book clinical.

Then the School tries to act like a company, so now we need to think like costumers. Do we need satisfaction, do we need to be trained to pass USMLE’s and have a solid basic foundation of Medical sciences. I think with a fake Accred committee, fake Dean, people who come and go like clowns, then this school is not a company and MAGEN-MD this philosophical paradox is for you and your friends.

All Saint’s University Admin are Hustler’s and they will be eliminated by other new school or old school’s who will actually take our credit’s till a certain point.

Coming from this school you cant transfer to AUA, MUA, SABA, ROSS. SGU., St.Eust. AUC

But you can transfer to UMHS , Windsor.

So please don’t try to defend a problem. You are not a police men. You are a little kid like you said you are to ZOOS.

ZOOS. And PRU thank you.

Now my question I have for zoos and PRU or who ever if you can please. What state’s can graduates of all saint’s who are Canadian citizens can get a residency in. thanks.

[ALL_Saints_United]

well as of now my answer would be yes, b/c they havent made any false promises yet, ?..

False promise 1) Charter, 2) Medical Board Approval 3) Green-Book CLinicals

why spend all the money building labs, buying books for library, why spend money trying to accredit the school, do u know how much it costs for an accreditation vist... well look in to it...not cheap thats for sure....they can have the school open without an accreditation, b/c we have the charter and ecfmg approval... which all schools have, our accreditaion that took place was for, the approval of dominican medical board.. its just another medical board...like NY medical board.... ?..

Are you so delusional that dotn understand that was not the Dominica's medical board,,, it was bunch of actors. I know for a fact even people who got to meet the dominica' baord wore all 1/2 paying tution student or student as ignorant as you.

When the day come's that you realize with this school you can't be a doctor since this school doesnt even have a charter and it uses the ARUBA CAMPUS CHARTER.

dont believe me call the aruba office in NJ to learn more.

or even better call ECFMG. CALL you see i am correct.

this school in Dominica is registerd as a Company, other school are registered in US.

[arvindself_50]

Arvind you want constructive criticism right? SO here some constructive criticism.
School brought some actors/ Doctors/ friends of friends, for money down to this school and then to Aruba for some pleasure enjoyment of weather. School told it students this was the New York Medical Board and as of now some students think this is actually the case.
Then the school paid some people such as Dr.D from MDCSA and even brought down our beloved registrar from Canada down to school. They held a meeting which there is video taped conversation of Mr.Y and Mr. P just lying out of there teeth.
As of now this school does not have any Green-Book Hospitals for so many Core rotations.

Then the school tells us, tries to brain wash us by not doing there job correct, about accreditation committee needs to accred the clinical site’s now. But Hello ADMIN , it was a step up in the first place anyways.

I think if this is a real accred committee then we should be very scared for them to even see we have no Green-Book clinical.

Then the School tries to act like a company, so now we need to think like costumers. Do we need satisfaction, do we need to be trained to pass USMLE’s and have a solid basic foundation of Medical sciences. I think with a fake Accred committee, fake Dean, people who come and go like clowns, then this school is not a company and MAGEN-MD this philosophical paradox is for you and your friends.

All Saint’s University Admin are Hustler’s and they will be eliminated by other new school or old school’s who will actually take our credit’s till a certain point.

Coming from this school you cant transfer to AUA, MUA, SABA, ROSS. SGU., St.Eust. AUC

But you can transfer to UMHS , Windsor.

So please don’t try to defend a problem. You are not a police men. You are a little kid like you said you are to ZOOS.

ZOOS. And PRU thank you.

Now my question I have for zoos and PRU or who ever if you can please. What state’s can graduates of all saint’s who are Canadian citizens can get a residency in. thanks.

hahah.. ppl a lesson to be learned... this is what happens when u have too much free time on ur hand...kids these days and thier imaginations, only if u could put the same effort in to medschool...anywayz thanks a lot man, u convinced me to transfer.. am leavin the island 2morrow....... :bored:!

[ALL_Saints_United]

I dont want you to leave, i want you to stay and go down with this school.

New students Beware of this, just like how Price is gone, just like how 1/2 the school is going, just like everyone else who has problems, msg me i will answer your questions.

Already i made two student realize this school is a SCAM, SCAM SCAM. they are going to windsor now...

[lswiltshire]

You can also apply to Burnett's School which is to start up in September I understand

[Staedtler]

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[Zooss]

Arvind you want constructive criticism right? SO here some constructive criticism.
School brought some actors/ Doctors/ friends of friends, for money down to this school and then to Aruba for some pleasure enjoyment of weather. School told it students this was the New York Medical Board and as of now some students think this is actually the case.
Then the school paid some people such as Dr.D from MDCSA and even brought down our beloved registrar from Canada down to school. They held a meeting which there is video taped conversation of Mr.Y and Mr. P just lying out of there teeth.
As of now this school does not have any Green-Book Hospitals for so many Core rotations.

Then the school tells us, tries to brain wash us by not doing there job correct, about accreditation committee needs to accred the clinical site’s now. But Hello ADMIN , it was a step up in the first place anyways.

I think if this is a real accred committee then we should be very scared for them to even see we have no Green-Book clinical.

Then the School tries to act like a company, so now we need to think like costumers. Do we need satisfaction, do we need to be trained to pass USMLE’s and have a solid basic foundation of Medical sciences. I think with a fake Accred committee, fake Dean, people who come and go like clowns, then this school is not a company and MAGEN-MD this philosophical paradox is for you and your friends.

All Saint’s University Admin are Hustler’s and they will be eliminated by other new school or old school’s who will actually take our credit’s till a certain point.

Coming from this school you cant transfer to AUA, MUA, SABA, ROSS. SGU., St.Eust. AUC

But you can transfer to UMHS , Windsor.

So please don’t try to defend a problem. You are not a police men. You are a little kid like you said you are to ZOOS.

ZOOS. And PRU thank you.

Now my question I have for zoos and PRU or who ever if you can please. What state’s can graduates of all saint’s who are Canadian citizens can get a residency in. thanks.
All saints united.. thank you for your post they are always to the point and accurate.. as for the answer to your question the school can on paper have residency in 31 states.. but as you already know you are most likly to do residency where you do clinicals and if those clinicals are all green book.. also the reoutation of the school does play a large factor.. even though I am sure ppl from this school will try to convince you that it doesnt.. so that leaves you with georgia, illinois and Indiana.. and out of those 3 atlanta georgia is your highest chance.. which is anywhere between 0-10%.
hope this helped if there is anything else i'll be glad to answer.

[ALL_Saints_United]

All saints united.. thank you for your post they are always to the point and accurate.. as for the answer to your question the school can on paper have residency in 31 states.. but as you already know you are most likly to do residency where you do clinicals and if those clinicals are all green book.. also the reoutation of the school does play a large factor.. even though I am sure ppl from this school will try to convince you that it doesnt.. so that leaves you with georgia, illinois and Indiana.. and out of those 3 atlanta georgia is your highest chance.. which is anywhere between 0-10%.
hope this helped if there is anything else i'll be glad to answer.

With P, And Y, no one from this school will make it..... Have you noticed how Y just want his money.

I am trying to transfer to UMHS...do you think that school my chance of passing usmle is higher and getting residency is higher...

plz answer me

[Zooss]

With P, And Y, no one from this school will make it..... Have you noticed how Y just want his money.

I am trying to transfer to UMHS...do you think that school my chance of passing usmle is higher and getting residency is higher...

plz answer me
yes I have noticed that.. Y and P are all about getting their money and dont care about the future of students. If you transfer to that school you will pass usmle with flying colors it is like going to ross since the owner is ross but they may not take all your credits from all saints just like most good schools dont but it is a worth a try..

[poundays.R.U]

Come to windsor, i know there is 4 students already accepted repeating one semester i believe....

come to windsor

[rose19]

hi,
I recently graduated from my high school in IL. My GPA is not higher then 2.5, and my composite score for the SAT reasoning Test is 1290. Are there any chances of me gtting in. I really want to give to this Univ. Please reply ASAP. Thank you.

[rose19]

Hi,
I was planning on aplying for both windsor univ and all saints, and now tht i have read most of the posts on this thread i am kind of worried about applying.

[brob311]

Well it is simple then, don't go!

[ALL_Saints_United]

Well it is simple then, don't go!


WOW now not only the ADMIN is doing Scam, if you read todays article, in the front cover of newpaper in dominica, it states, All Saints University Student caught for SCAM over 50000$.

I just can't believe this, this school is such a scam, and it teaches it students to do scams also.



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United We Stand, Divided We transfer

[brob311]

Can you post the article. I'm pretty sure that Dominica didn't have their newspaper online, but maybe you could summarize the article on here.

[bboybetts]

United We Stand, Divided We transfer


So true, but regarding this student who did the fraud, I saw the Article, it stated it was 97000$ not 50000$.

On the Radio is stated the student used the money to pay for Kaplan and MDIV and MDV.

[bboybetts]

this is the article as i typed it.

A student at an offshore medical school in Roseau has been suspended from the institution pending police investigations into a suspected case of fraud at the National Bank of Dominica involving 97000$. Student (----) from NIGERIA [A relative of the Executive Dean of Medical University] was arrested by police last week, two weeks after the cash was spend. The bank teller was involved, the manager of bank is not in Dominica, and the School has suspended him,The student used the money to pay for the lavish life style in Dominica and for the school's Admin to travel to Dominica and have the schools white coat.

this is the summary

[poundays.R.U]

I dont understand one thing. Why the students of this University dont even care about their future.

This school does not have a charter, if it does why dont they post it up on the web.

this school does not have greenbook clinicals

this school is a scam, fraud, Mr.Y and P are soon going to jail.

Also i heard some students at all saints are planning on destroying P&Y.

I hope this new dean screw's them over too.

[Zooss]

I said it before nad I say it again.. this school is folding and everyday there is new evidence for it.. hope all students will wake up and see this and plan ahead for future...

[DrMS]

this is the article as i typed it.

A student at an offshore medical school in Roseau has been suspended from the institution pending police investigations into a suspected case of fraud at the National Bank of Dominica involving 97000$. Student (----) from NIGERIA [A relative of the Executive Dean of Medical University] was arrested by police last week, two weeks after the cash was spend. The bank teller was involved, the manager of bank is not in Dominica, and the School has suspended him,The student used the money to pay for the lavish life style in Dominica and for the school's Admin to travel to Dominica and have the schools white coat.

this is the summary
Wow- this is unbelievable.

[arvindself_50]

this is the article as i typed it.

A student at an offshore medical school in Roseau has been suspended from the institution pending police investigations into a suspected case of fraud at the National Bank of Dominica involving 97000$. Student (----) from NIGERIA [A relative of the Executive Dean of Medical University] was arrested by police last week, two weeks after the cash was spend. The bank teller was involved, the manager of bank is not in Dominica, and the School has suspended him,The student used the money to pay for the lavish life style in Dominica and for the school's Admin to travel to Dominica and have the schools white coat.

this is the summary

to set the story straight.. the student is from my class and i personally know wat happened, so here it goes.. apparently the student deposited some cheques written x amount of money, then started using the money... but the funny part is the bank allowed him to withdraw money when those cheques never cleared, i dont know of anybank that dose that... so this is the students side of the story.... whether or not he had money in the nigerian account i dont know, and by the way hes not related to Dr.Y....lord u see any nigerian and hes supposed to be related to Dr.Y and any tamil person hes related to P.... lol and am not sure who posted this but " this school is teaching ppl how to scams" wat are r u like 5yrs old!

[DOCplucinski]

I dont understand one thing. Why the students of this University dont even care about their future.

This school does not have a charter, if it does why dont they post it up on the web.


to be fair, they must have a charter, otherwise the Dominican government would have not contacted IMED for their listing: IMED - FAIMER International Medical Education Directory - School Details (http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?country=305&school=&currpage=1&cname=DOMINICA&city=&region=&rname=&mcode=305020&psize=25)

this doesn't excuse the shadiness of the school and i myself wonder why students would even consider a school like this or continue their education there.

[Magen-MD]

WOW now not only the ADMIN is doing Scam, if you read todays article, in the front cover of newpaper in dominica, it states, All Saints University Student caught for SCAM over 50000$.

I just can't believe this, this school is such a scam, and it teaches it students to do scams also.



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United We Stand, Divided We transfer

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!VMD had interesting characters. It is like saying President B is a Harvard U. graduate therefore all Harvard U is nothing but **. This would be nothing but toxin thinking. Thank goodness one is not serious to think this way.
M-MD

[BRYEE]

Magen-MD do u have any opinions on the legal suit case which was not favorable to the Aruba campus of All Saints University? Aren't both sister campuses? And both have the same executive admin? Do you think it will negatively impact the Dominica campus?


Quote:
Province wins case against Aruba university
Court
ALISHA MORRISSEY
The Telegram

Medical students from this province won't be getting student loans to attend university in Aruba - not that any have applied.

The All Saints University of Medicine in Aruba took this province's Education Department to court over the department's decision to suspend student loan status that it had previously granted to the university.

The province was justified in choosing to revoke that initial decision, says Supreme Court Justice Robert Hall, who presided over the arguments.

Furthermore, the medical school in Aruba - which has never had an applicant from this province - will have to pay the province's legal fees in relation to the case.

The university originally approached the province in January 2005 and asked that it be designated as an "educational institution" under the province's student loans program, meaning that students in this province could apply for student loans to attend the university.

According to the Student Financial Assistance Act, if this province designated the university as an educational institution under the loans program, students from any other Canadian province could apply for federal loans to attend the school.

Officials within the Education Department testified that the minister agreed to allow the loans program designation in July 2005, despite the school not being operational for two years as required in most cases.

The province contended that a "major consideration," in allowing the designation was that the university had what's known as Title IV funding status from the United States, which includes a stringent evaluation process and investigation of schools.

Despite advertising on its website that the medical school had Title IV status, the province became aware that, in fact, it did not.

As a result, the Education Department sent a letter to the school revoking the designation allowing student loans to local students.

Meanwhile, in late 2006, under the direction of a committee that one of the Education Department's directors is on, regulations for granting student loans designation changed - making it imperative that a university be operational for 10 years instead of two to get a student loan designation.

The university was notified of this change, but not before officials there wrote a letter to the province saying that the school had been continually operational for two years and asking if that changed the status of the university's student loans designation, allowing loans to become available again.

It was at that point the school filed suit against the province, asking the courts to force education officials to honour the original rules of designation, instead of the new ones.

Hall ultimately decided with the province, saying that there was no duty on the education minister to act, it is his or her discretion that determines whether to allow the designation, as well, the school should have started a new application process after having its original application suspended.

amorrissey@thetelegram.

Isn't that interesting?

[Magen-MD]

to be fair, they must have a charter, otherwise the Dominican government would have not contacted IMED for their listing: IMED - FAIMER International Medical Education Directory - School Details (http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?country=305&school=&currpage=1&cname=DOMINICA&city=&region=&rname=&mcode=305020&psize=25)

this doesn't excuse the shadiness of the school and i myself wonder why students would even consider a school like this or continue their education there.

The good thing not only for ASUSM but for all new schools is that their future does not depend on mob attacks and slanderings or dirty competitors who wish to dominate the Caribbean market, by keeping away everyone else. The future of all new schools is dependent on other factors, more important that slandering campaigns these campaigns are in themselves self defeating and non-medical profession. However, if any school is doing unacceptable staff, they should be willing to improve the status of affairs for the sake of their students and schools equally. Most of new students who truely have broad base of education and knowledge will not and do not buy into negative publicity which often do not have their interest at heart.

Magen-MD
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As the journey continues...

[lswiltshire]

Prospective students must understand that not only are both of the All Saints poor schools who are particularly resistant to hiring proper staff in order to enhance the status of the school and improve the level of scholarship, but they will let one of thier main administrators Magen-MD continue to pervey persistent and perennially poor presentations (such as the one above) in the hope of persuading prospective students that there are proper scholars at these schools to lead a medical institution.

It is not by chance that current students are crying out in thier confusion.

Why should you join them?

[bboybetts]

Prospective students must understand that not only are both of the All Saints poor schools who are particularly resistant to hiring proper staff in order to enhance the status of the school and improve the level of scholarship, but they will let one of thier main administrators Magen-MD continue to pervey persistent and perennially poor presentations (such as the one above) in the hope of persuading prospective students that there are proper scholars at these schools to lead a medical institution.

It is not by chance that current students are crying out in thier confusion.

Why should you join them?


This is very true.


As of now we have one teacher who teaches PDI and it took her 9 years to finish from ROSS, and ROSS didnt kick her out due to the fact that she is Dominican Citizen.

- Microbiology teacher has no idea about Microbiology.

- Clinical Dean is a St.Chris Grad who never did residency

- Pathology prof, is also from St.Chris never did residency

- School has no loans, Acred. & greenbook clinicals.




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United We Stand, Divided We Transfer

[lswiltshire]

bboybetts:

Could you kindly tell the forum how many students there are at your school and how many staff members?

Do you have any idea why your school does not hire better teachers?

What are your tuition fees like?

From which countries does your students come.

Does the Dominican grad from Ross practice medicine in Dominica?

[bboybetts]

Could you kindly tell the forum how many students there are at your school and how many staff members?
-- There is 80 students and liek 10 profs, but all have no idea how to teach.

Do you have any idea why your school does not hire better teachers?
-- The reason the school doesnt hire better prof's is the fact that, in this school the ADMIN has no idea what even good is.

What are your tuition fees like?
-- Tution fees are too high for the non-sense we learn here.

From which countries does your students come.
-- India, Pakistan, NIGERIA, Canada
Does the Dominican grad from Ross practice medicine in Dominica?
-- No, cause she hasnt even doen step II or III or residency.

There is one good thing in this school:
---- the local prof's are having afairs with student(s). [We all know who] i will not name names or even initials.


You are the old micro teacher the school fired. Am i correct?

[lswiltshire]

-- There is 80 students and liek 10 profs, but all have no idea how to teach.
THAT IS VERY INTERESTING- YOUR WEBSITE LISTS MANY MORE THAN 10 TEACHERS?


-- The reason the school doesnt hire better prof's is the fact that, in this school the ADMIN has no idea what even good is.
So how do they expect to succeed? How are they able to get and keep 80 students in such a short time and a school like St Martinus took like 5-6 years?

-- Tution fees are too high for the non-sense we learn here.
HOW DOES IT COMPARE WITH OTHER SCHOOLS? Is it cheap like SJMS or what?

Does the Dominican grad from Ross practice medicine in Dominica?
-- No, cause she hasnt even doen step II or III or residency.
WOW AND THEY REFUSE TO HIRE QUALIFIED FOLK? THAT’S FUNNY LOL!


There is one good thing in this school:
---- the local prof's are having afairs with student(s). [We all know who] i will not name names or even initials.
When you say local Prof’s do you mean Dominicans? Or doctors hired by the school or by the Dominican government

You are the old micro teacher the school fired. Am i correct?
NO Sir Never taught at your school.

[arvindself_50]

There is 80 students and liek 10 profs, but all have no idea how to teach.
THAT IS VERY INTERESTING- YOUR WEBSITE LISTS MANY MORE THAN 10 TEACHERS?

-- The reason the school doesnt hire better prof's is the fact that, in this school the ADMIN has no idea what even good is.

its more like 12...including the premed profs, we lost 3 profs last semester, 2 took off on us and 1 physio prof went back home... 2 profs left in the middle of the semester without notice...thus the lack of profs rite now for physio and psych! hopefully that will be sorted out soon!

So how do they expect to succeed? How are they able to get and keep 80 students in such a short time and a school like St Martinus took like 5-6 years?

we have been here 2 yrs, and our largest class just graduated last december which was 18ppl and the current biggest class is about 24, how there are this many students... my guess, the school is well pubicised in canada and most students are from canada.

-- Tution fees are too high for the non-sense we learn here.



HOW DOES IT COMPARE WITH OTHER SCHOOLS? Is it cheap like SJMS or what?

the tution is the cheap, the person who replied to u and his crew are transfering to windsor and hes comparing it to windsor and how they get food, lodge and transportation.. and so on, compared to SJMS its about the same tution.

Does the Dominican grad from Ross practice medicine in Dominica?
-- No, cause she hasnt even doen step II or III or residency.

WOW AND THEY REFUSE TO HIRE QUALIFIED FOLK? THAT’S FUNNY LOL!

lets get something clear, u dont need step 2 or even step 1 to practice in dominica, and she is preping for her step 2, she happens to be a good teacher @ least for PDI she is!

There is one good thing in this school:
---- the local prof's are having afairs with student(s). [We all know who] i will not name names or even initials.

:bored: anyother rumours u wanna share Ms.gossip queen lol!


When you say local Prof’s do you mean Dominicans? Or doctors hired by the school or by the Dominican government

they are local doctors!


You are the old micro teacher the school fired. Am i correct?
NO Sir Never taught at your school.[/quote]

All this said.. i know bashers will be bashers, the only way we can shut these ppl up is by getting good step scores and some residents... till then cant do much!

[ALL_Saints_United]

Attention All Saints University School of Medicine prospective students:
ASK your school these questions
1) Can I practice in all 50 states, if not how many?
2) If they say any more than 32 then you know they are scamming you?
3) Ask about green book clinical? If they say where, ask for hospital and call the hospital ?
4) Ask about why the owners of schools are so scared of ValueMD?
5) Ask to see the Charter?

Students, please realize, I was once a student like you, but now that I realized what mistake I have done, I want to make sure no one else does the same mistake. Please DO NOT attend all saints.
Contact your licensing board , Contact the school. Ask the school about real loans and why they lost OSAP, and what in their mind made them want to take Ontario’s government to court.
Future prospective students this school is a scam, is a sham, is nothing more than a new century scam. Don’t believe me PM some of the student here on this forum saying good things and bad thing.

[bboybetts]

THIS ARTICLE IS FROM THIS SITE:
Thinking of going to medical school?: certification, high school kids, greater toronto area (http://en.allexperts.com/q/Thinking-medical-school-998/certification.htm)

[lswiltshire]

If what you are saying is the truth, you and your colleagues ought to continue posting and exposing this school not only in VMD but in the newspapers in Canada.

if medical students who know they are being scammed do not speak out these bad medical schools will cintinue to do what they are doing.

[VoiceofReason]

after thorogh research, we have uncovered the following:

- this school is a scam

- currently no state in the U.S. has approved this school

- it is run by a retired mechanical engineer, he knows nothing about medicine or medical education

- his own son can't even pass usmle step 1 for over 7 years now [just passed now]

- they accept anyone that applies into their so-called md program, even high school kids with no pre-med whatsoever!

- they run the school's admin out of their house in canada, but now a warehouse

- and the classes are held in a shopping mall called ' Sun Plaza' in some crime infested island, or some island named dominica

- they illegally run part of the MD program in Toronto and YES there are students now in toronto doing PRE-MED

-they lie to students telling them that residency is gauranteed [lool]

-the other guy who helps run the school (so called 'Dean'), himself was enrolled at another scam carib med school but never took the boards and never finished the program

- the school has no real teaching, no real facilities, no cadavers, no USMLE pass rate, no established clinical rotation program, no graduates, no history of residency placement and of course no history of state licensure.

-the recruit gullible kids, from the greater toronto area, none of whom have any idea what a scam this school really is!


-picture of school on their website is that of a shopping mall (aruba)
- In dominica is even worst.

-run by two guys (one of whom is a retired mechanical engineer who was fired from st james for fraud, sexual harrassment and other criminal behaviour)

more to come, PM us for full report sent to your email address!

uncovered more dirt on All Saints



All saints graduates (they have zero so far)
can not get licensed in Aruba or in Holland or Dominica

There are changes going on in
the Netherland Antilles in terms of recognition of med schools etc.


HOW PATHETIC!

So basically if you go to this scam school you can't ever practice in the country that the school is located in!

BTW: you won't ever get a residency in the U.S. either and as for Canada. . . in your dreams.

Mr.P and Mr.Y are the ppl who runs all saints (PPL)
read his post carefull, you will notice what kind of person they really are.
is funny how he mentions a 'legal battle'
he used to work for st james, was fired because he was stealing money, and sexually harassing young sri lankan girls.
later st james fired him and then sued him [he still goes to court for this]

he then was involved with 4 more foreign/caribbean schools - kigezi, xavier, grace and st martinus

he unilaterally broke contracts with them all, they sued him

this guy has been in and out of toronto courts for about 3 years now

he does not care how much trouble he gets into as long as he can make a fast buck

he ruins peoples lives, goes around toronto spreading lies to the sri lankan community about his school, and these recent immigrants actually think that his scam school is legit and they pay thousands to send their gullible young kids (many of whom are straight out of high school)

he doesn't care, as long as he keeps getting those checks, he even sent his own son to st james back in 2001, poor young guy has not been able to pass usmle step 1 since august of 2003 and has now passed usmle step 1 afetr the 6th time.

making money in a business is good, but it should be done ethically, sooner or later (sooner is our prediction) the parents and students he has scammed will rise up and sue him, and this time no bank will help him in trying to get loans/funds to fight the lawsuit

he has no where to run or hide, he lives in brampton, ontario and everyone knows it

st james, kigezi, xavier, grace and st martinus are all watching him and boy has he made a lot of enemies, the other guy who helps him run the school is perhaps the most unfortunate because he is caught in a mess that he can't get out of . . . it does not pay to become business partners with a retired mechanical engineer, from sri lanka, who knows nothing about medicine or medical education, runs a med school out of canada, that is located in the caribbean, that supposedly leads to a job in the U.S. . . . yeah whatever

we (investigators) of this school predict: This scam school - all saints- will have similar fate as St J a m e s (the other school that the owner used to recruit for). St J a m e s has taken over 1000 students since they opened in 2000, and to date only 27 have been able to get a residency in the U.S. the difference is that st james is run by a guy who worked for caribbean med schools for 20 years, whereas all saints. . .run by a known criminal who will see the inside of a prison very soon

I have recently begun following the discussion under this "thread" Why? because individual's have been personally attacked - though only initials were used or descriptions given this was done in such a manner that the identities of these persons have been revealed. The individuals feel that they may have suffered professional damages and loss of income as a result of unsubstantiated maliciously intended gossip (i.e slander and deformation of character). Several of the individuals are considering their legal options. These people have "warned" clinical faculty that the same fate may befall them when the students posting here on this site get to clinical rotations.

Bboybetts, initially you start out sounding and describing yourself as a student and then in your last post you take on the role of "investigator." How can you be an objective investigator if you are a student? Do not misreperesent yourself. If you are a student you are a student... If you are a bonefied investigator or consumer advocate then you cannot be considered an objective party if you are enrolled as a student at the same time you are investigating the institution. Clear conflict of interest.

Regarding the rest of this thread/discussion....
Valuemd was founded years ago with the intention of disseminating accurate information for anyone interested in foreign medical education. It was not intended for people to engage in slander and deformation of character. It was not intended to potenitally damage people's reputations or professional careers. It was simply to present evidenced-based facts on the pros and cons of education at the world's various institutions of medical education. Obviously, it has evolved into something much different than its original intended purpose.. at least this discussion thread would seem to be evidence of that...

I would suggest that many of you posting here review the "terms" of service that you all agreed to when joining valuemd. The "terms" clearly prohibit personal attacks. From what I have read here, even though initials are used the people being slandered/defamed are clearly identifiable. This is a breach of the terms of use/service. The description of professors linked specifically to the courses that they teach also clearly discloses the personal identity of the individual. Valuemd is a great forum for people to gather, discern, and review facts. One interesting fact that is becoming prominent here in this thread.. is that the disgruntled students seem to have a great deal of time in their days devoted to posting on this website.

A word of caution for current and those students that have recently left All Saints University School of Medicine- Dominica. People from the administration and faculty are in the process of hiring someone to monitor ValueMD and this forum (no it is not me). I began watching this site/thread to see what type of character/student I can expect to see in clinical rotations; because people from the institution have warned that all faculty linked in any way to the school could be "fair game" for malicious rumors and attacks. Based on what I am hearing/reading here I am hoping that the trouble making/gossip mongers do not make it to rotations at my institution. I have also been advised by an ASUSM staff member that the administrators are developing plans/policy to clearly spell out acceptable/expected student conduct. The intention being that those students that engage in public behavior damaging to the school such as "bashing" the school (on this website) without factual evidence to support their claims will be held accountable. The proposed plan also calls for students defaming administrators & faculty to be held accountable in equity and law. So, I would suggest before anyone makes any more accussations about professors commiting "sexual harassment".. before you make any more unfounded or inaccurate claims about professors sleeping with students... or claims such as it took someone 9 years to get their MD (by the way most medical schools have a 6 year rule - if you have not made it through the program in 6 years they will not confer a degree on you!) You had best be certain that the person being "bashed" is not easily identifiable and that the information is factually verifiable and not a rumor/gossip (By the way the prof that bboybetts mentions did take 9 years to achieve the level of MD - 5 years of a B. S/MS program and then 4 years of medical school. NOT 9 years in an MD program).

I wish you all the best in your medical education/futures. For those posting here that feel so "slighted" and treated "unjustly" by the school...why not get over it now and move on? Your n egative comments and constant bickering serve no purpose other than to perpetuate negativity and hatred; there is no positive direction or positive course of action to correct the situation ever mentioned here. People will learn that as you age/mature....negative energy & actions only attracts more of the same....as the old saying goes "misery loves company."

For those of you that are so unhappy with this school & it seems life in general.. why not devote your energy toward making the most out of your medical education and becoming the best physician that you possibly can? If you think you are unhappy now I can tell you from experience it will only get worse. Whatever you throw out into the universe (good or bad) will and does come back at you ten fold... It is called Kharma

Best of Luck!

[bboybetts]

I correct my mistake it took the PDI prof 12 years. Since she can easily be found to be a Life long member of Tri-Beta Biological Society-DM chapter.

Now if i was to post the link, that would be against terms and policy.

ttp://en.allexperts.com/q/Thinking-medical-school-998/certification.htm


you have to be a member of Dr.R website, caribeanmedicince.com you can see more detailed facts about what these guys are upto. Dr.R has been on the Quack Watch for a long time.

[bboybetts]

I have recently begun following the discussion under this "thread" Why? because individual's have been personally attacked - though only initials were used or descriptions given this was done in such a manner that the identities of these persons have been revealed. The individuals feel that they may have suffered professional damages and loss of income as a result of unsubstantiated maliciously intended gossip (i.e slander and deformation of character). Several of the individuals are considering their legal options. These people have "warned" clinical faculty that the same fate may befall them when the students posting here on this site get to clinical rotations.

Bboybetts, initially you start out sounding and describing yourself as a student and then in your last post you take on the role of "investigator." How can you be an objective investigator if you are a student? Do not misreperesent yourself. If you are a student you are a student... If you are a bonefied investigator or consumer advocate then you cannot be considered an objective party if you are enrolled as a student at the same time you are investigating the institution. Clear conflict of interest.

Regarding the rest of this thread/discussion....
Valuemd was founded years ago with the intention of disseminating accurate information for anyone interested in foreign medical education. It was not intended for people to engage in slander and deformation of character. It was not intended to potenitally damage people's reputations or professional careers. It was simply to present evidenced-based facts on the pros and cons of education at the world's various institutions of medical education. Obviously, it has evolved into something much different than its original intended purpose.. at least this discussion thread would seem to be evidence of that...

I would suggest that many of you posting here review the "terms" of service that you all agreed to when joining valuemd. The "terms" clearly prohibit personal attacks. From what I have read here, even though initials are used the people being slandered/defamed are clearly identifiable. This is a breach of the terms of use/service. The description of professors linked specifically to the courses that they teach also clearly discloses the personal identity of the individual. Valuemd is a great forum for people to gather, discern, and review facts. One interesting fact that is becoming prominent here in this thread.. is that the disgruntled students seem to have a great deal of time in their days devoted to posting on this website.

A word of caution for current and those students that have recently left All Saints University School of Medicine- Dominica. People from the administration and faculty are in the process of hiring someone to monitor ValueMD and this forum (no it is not me). I began watching this site/thread to see what type of character/student I can expect to see in clinical rotations; because people from the institution have warned that all faculty linked in any way to the school could be "fair game" for malicious rumors and attacks. Based on what I am hearing/reading here I am hoping that the trouble making/gossip mongers do not make it to rotations at my institution. I have also been advised by an ASUSM staff member that the administrators are developing plans/policy to clearly spell out acceptable/expected student conduct. The intention being that those students that engage in public behavior damaging to the school such as "bashing" the school (on this website) without factual evidence to support their claims will be held accountable. The proposed plan also calls for students defaming administrators & faculty to be held accountable in equity and law. So, I would suggest before anyone makes any more accussations about professors commiting "sexual harassment".. before you make any more unfounded or inaccurate claims about professors sleeping with students... or claims such as it took someone 9 years to get their MD (by the way most medical schools have a 6 year rule - if you have not made it through the program in 6 years they will not confer a degree on you!) You had best be certain that the person being "bashed" is not easily identifiable and that the information is factually verifiable and not a rumor/gossip (By the way the prof that bboybetts mentions did take 9 years to achieve the level of MD - 5 years of a B. S/MS program and then 4 years of medical school. NOT 9 years in an MD program).

I wish you all the best in your medical education/futures. For those posting here that feel so "slighted" and treated "unjustly" by the school...why not get over it now and move on? Your n egative comments and constant bickering serve no purpose other than to perpetuate negativity and hatred; there is no positive direction or positive course of action to correct the situation ever mentioned here. People will learn that as you age/mature....negative energy & actions only attracts more of the same....as the old saying goes "misery loves company."

For those of you that are so unhappy with this school & it seems life in general.. why not devote your energy toward making the most out of your medical education and becoming the best physician that you possibly can? If you think you are unhappy now I can tell you from experience it will only get worse. Whatever you throw out into the universe (good or bad) will and does come back at you ten fold... It is called Kharma

Best of Luck!



- I wonder if i say your right, would i just be dumb or stupid.
Also I wonder if i say no, then you will just believe in what you just have written on here.

- I hope you dont use this tactic on your child.

- Is funny how a little bit of talking to other new students who have just came to the island, make's a grown women write so much non-sense.

- I hope the clinicals you have , no other students come to also. But since you like live in a fantasy world and i think the rabbit has just lost the time again.

- You are a worker for the school.

- NY Hospitals would love to know about you also, and your post.


For those students attending or even thinking of attending all saints

- this post by voiceofreason is false. she is not a clinical director and if she is, is at fort wayne, and she would have posted her website and email address of the work place.


- This is a prime example of why this school is a scam

[serious??]

you guys need to lighten up... like seriously!!!

don't you guys have better things to do like study, of which i presume that you guys are either currently enrolled at all saints based on your updated "facts" or that you guys are just a bunch of losers anxiously waiting to a reply to a post and feed us your crap!! grow up!!

bahahahaha.... i laugh because you guys are just a bunch of jokers!

yeah the school isn't perfect when you compare it to other schools and it doesn't have all the resources and facilities like the rest but still, its come a long way. things progress over time and probably in a couple of years things will get better... so you do have a point on that.

with that being said, you do not have the right start bashing people, especially the professors and ruin their reputation!!! thats just wrong. and if you thing its right, then dude you seriously got some issues!!!

we do have some great professors that do not deserve such garbage. they posess great knowledge from their learnings as med students and they are kind enough to share that with the students. and that is priceless!!!

you guys seem to have grown a bunch of balls by talkin crap all over... stop deficating and man up!!! don't leave us in suspense of who that mystery talker is

i think its about time to squash this and just end this nonsense, highly doubtful, and just move on with the next phase of your lives and seek some serious pyschiatric help cuz you guys seriously need it!!!

i know i just fed fuel to the fire but someone has to do it...

*wonder how long it will take for you to reply...*

[lswiltshire]

Voice or Reason

As some Carribbean young people would point out, “ YOU ARE NOT SAYING A PANG!”

Whereas you consider that Bboybetts can not objectively report the truth about the poor facilities and faculty at All Saints Dominica because he is enrolled at the school is nonsense, if Bboybetts has witnessed poor standards he has every right to report what he has seen to the forum and the world. Once he has not told any lies, he is a CREDIBLE WITNESS. And he does sound to be credible.

You say that initials were used and descriptions given to identify persons who are now considering their legal options. Well they have none. There names have not been called, and last I checked it is still true that there is more than one dog called Bob, or Jim or Jack or whatever dogs are called. They can feel that they may have suffered professional damage and loss of income as a result of unsubstantiated maliciously intended gossip, but they can not prove such except at a court with lawyers taught at ASSUM. If your clinical faculty is good when the students posting on this site get to clinical rotations, they will speak well of them. If they are as bad as the ones in Dominica, why should you expect them to sing your praises?

Voice or Reason, it seems that you protest too much, and that you were planted by the school administration to attempt to do some damage control. But if your school is leaky and have cracks in its walls it will crumble, under the sustained attacks of accurate credible witnesses on this forum.

Bboybetts and others at ASUSOM must not succumb to this post which appears to be at best a poor attempt at psychological intimidation. Bboybetts has not been deemed in breach of VMD’s TOS, otherwise he would have already been reprimanded. For those of us who are VMD veterans we find that Bboybetts has indeed posted evidenced-based facts on the pros and cons of education at ASUSOM, and our conclusion is that he is telling the truth and that the education given at your institution is very poor at best. He has only directly stated what was suspected long ago.

I agree with you that Valuemd is a great forum for people to gather, discern, and review facts, and we are very happy to hear the real scoop about All Saints.

Surely you jest, when you write “A word of caution for current and those students that have recently left All Saints University School of Medicine- Dominica. People from the administration and faculty are in the process of hiring someone to monitor ValueMD and this forum.” The aim of your post is now explicitly stated. ASUSOM wants to intimidate all the students who are telling the world about our failure, facilities and faculty. I want to let you know that the forum has received your message loud and clear. WE ALSO GET THE MESSAGE/ IDEA THAT STUDENTS ARE LEAVING ASUSOM IN DROVES AND THAT IT IS HURTING YOUR BOTTOM LINE!

You are repeating your self over and over, and by stating that “I am hoping that the trouble making/gossip mongers do not make it to rotations at my institution” suggests that you do not understand that since the students are leaving or have left ASUSOM they WONT BE COMING TO YOUR INSTITUTION FOR CLINICALS!

Then you continue your poor attempt at psychological intimidation “I have also been advised by an ASUSM staff member that the administrators are developing plans/policy to clearly spell out acceptable/expected student conduct. The intention being that those students that engage in public behavior damaging to the school such as "bashing" the school (on this website) without factual evidence to support their claims will be held accountable. “


For those of you that are so unhappy with this school tell the world. It is high time that as many of the very poor medical schools in the islands be eliminated!

[VoiceofReason]

BBoybetts. I will not dignify this PM with a response. It is quite rude and disrespectful.
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hello
Hello Dr.*$%# (name removed for confidentiality) i hope you and your new laws will work in your favour. Next time please, when you come out with guilty feeling dotn ever think students wore talking about you. They wore talking about %*$#* (name removed for confidentiality)the Nigerian who is now gone and another male dominican doctor.

So please before you go and think your smart, know one thing, there is a reason your not smart.

here is a link of the article i Copied and pasted (link removed because of rule to have 20 posts before lincluding links in a post)


**** and ____ (name removed for confidentiality reasons) cant do anything about this, when is the truth. dont ever forget that.

your girly profile gived out who you are.
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Regarding statements in the most recent post from BBoybetts:

"I hope you dont use this tactic on your chilc"
First, this comment has absolutely no relevance to the discussion.. nor is it appropriate. For the record, since you some how think it is pertinent to personally insult people to make a piont, I chose a career in academic medicine and do not have any children because I am devoted to my vocation, my students, residents, and my patients.

"you are a worker for the school"
No, I do not work for this school. I am an attending clinician in Internal Medicine in Atlanta Georgia where this school is setting up clinical rotations. It is a contact from the school that had told me about all the nonsense that was taking place in "cyberspace."

"NY hospitals would love to know about your post"
Really, why? Your line of reasoning is siginifacntly flawed and implausible. I have not mentioned NY anywhere in my post/discussion.

BBoybetts, you state in your post that I claimed to be a director of clinical rotations. Please do not exaggerate and confound the facts with false conjecture.
I said that I was involved in clinical rotations. I NEVER stated that I was a director of clinical medicine or clinical rotations. You simply ASSumed...Please, if you are going to paraphrase at least be accurate

Regarding the posts that followed Bboybetts:
Does it really seem plausible that the "truth" that is supposedly being propagated on this thread is completely accurate? Several other VMD members have posted positive things or at least objective factual statements about the school (Serious??, Arvindself50, priceless, and magen-MD). It appears that the truth of the matter lies somewhere in between Bboybetts statements and those of the members just mentioned.

Regarding the other attempts at "legalese" stating that there has been no violation of the "terms" and nothing can be done to prevent the "truth" from being posted. If it is indeed the "truth" that would be fine logic. However, posting of information regarding people, students, professionals, doctors etc., is very similar to patient confidentiality that is taught in hospital rotations. Doctors, interns, residents, and nurses are all welcome to have patient discussions within or outside of the hospital confines as long as a passer-by is not able to identify the patient you are talking about based on description and/or symptoms you are providing....that being said... I do not know the faculty at All Saints Univ School of Medicine as I am state side and involved in hospital/clinical based education in Atlanta Georgia (feel free to try an INVESTIGATE as to which clinician I am as I cannot and will not post the name of the hospital/my employer). HOWEVER, after reading these posts and visiting the school's website I was clearly able to identify the people being "bashed." Thus, if a stranger is able to figure out exactly who was being "bashed" the disclosure now teeters on liable and deformation. Cyberspace is no longer a protected frontier where people can say or do whatever they please if it has the potential to harm people emotionally, physically, or financially. This threaded discussion is bordering of liable,slander, and/or deformation whether people chose to acknowledge this or not.

Again, I will CLEARLY STATE... I am NOT an employee of All Saints University School of Medicine. I did have a conversation with an All Saints Univ administrator who did inform me that the school is going to try and "curb" the malicious attacks by hiring someone to monitor VMD (with their intention being to ensure the posting of accurate information and holding students accountable for their behavior if it is damaging to the school, student body, and/or faculty). This makes sense.. it is my understanding that many schools have administrators/support staff that monitor and post regulary here on VMD (ex: St. Matthews, Ross, Saba) in order to ensure the objective dissemination of information.

It is sad that such negative, malicious, malcontents could possibly one day join the ranks of physicians.... no wonder people are so discontent with the quality of helalthcare... ugly on the inside eventually becomes ugly on the outside and patients do pick up on this quite quickly. There was absolutely no need to try and discredit or attack me for my post... it would appear that you are purposely trying to pick fight.. which further proves that your intentions would be malicious and not so "utopian" as you claim.

Good luck in learning how to channel your hostilities, ego, and arrogance before it interferes with your abilities as a physician

[arvindself_50]

Voice or Reason

As some Carribbean young people would point out, “ YOU ARE NOT SAYING A PANG!”

Whereas you consider that Bboybetts can not objectively report the truth about the poor facilities and faculty at All Saints Dominica because he is enrolled at the school is nonsense, if Bboybetts has witnessed poor standards he has every right to report what he has seen to the forum and the world. Once he has not told any lies, he is a CREDIBLE WITNESS. And he does sound to be credible.

You say that initials were used and descriptions given to identify persons who are now considering their legal options. Well they have none. There names have not been called, and last I checked it is still true that there is more than one dog called Bob, or Jim or Jack or whatever dogs are called. They can feel that they may have suffered professional damage and loss of income as a result of unsubstantiated maliciously intended gossip, but they can not prove such except at a court with lawyers taught at ASSUM. If your clinical faculty is good when the students posting on this site get to clinical rotations, they will speak well of them. If they are as bad as the ones in Dominica, why should you expect them to sing your praises?

Voice or Reason, it seems that you protest too much, and that you were planted by the school administration to attempt to do some damage control. But if your school is leaky and have cracks in its walls it will crumble, under the sustained attacks of accurate credible witnesses on this forum.

Bboybetts and others at ASUSOM must not succumb to this post which appears to be at best a poor attempt at psychological intimidation. Bboybetts has not been deemed in breach of VMD’s TOS, otherwise he would have already been reprimanded. For those of us who are VMD veterans we find that Bboybetts has indeed posted evidenced-based facts on the pros and cons of education at ASUSOM, and our conclusion is that he is telling the truth and that the education given at your institution is very poor at best. He has only directly stated what was suspected long ago.

I agree with you that Valuemd is a great forum for people to gather, discern, and review facts, and we are very happy to hear the real scoop about All Saints.

Surely you jest, when you write “A word of caution for current and those students that have recently left All Saints University School of Medicine- Dominica. People from the administration and faculty are in the process of hiring someone to monitor ValueMD and this forum.” The aim of your post is now explicitly stated. ASUSOM wants to intimidate all the students who are telling the world about our failure, facilities and faculty. I want to let you know that the forum has received your message loud and clear. WE ALSO GET THE MESSAGE/ IDEA THAT STUDENTS ARE LEAVING ASUSOM IN DROVES AND THAT IT IS HURTING YOUR BOTTOM LINE!

You are repeating your self over and over, and by stating that “I am hoping that the trouble making/gossip mongers do not make it to rotations at my institution” suggests that you do not understand that since the students are leaving or have left ASUSOM they WONT BE COMING TO YOUR INSTITUTION FOR CLINICALS!

Then you continue your poor attempt at psychological intimidation “I have also been advised by an ASUSM staff member that the administrators are developing plans/policy to clearly spell out acceptable/expected student conduct. The intention being that those students that engage in public behavior damaging to the school such as "bashing" the school (on this website) without factual evidence to support their claims will be held accountable. “


For those of you that are so unhappy with this school tell the world. It is high time that as many of the very poor medical schools in the islands be eliminated!

"he does sound to be credible." ya sure i guess hes credible lol.if ur truly not a hatter and a person who really cares about prospective students, i will get the rest of our school to sign up on value md and post thier opinions, the truth on this forum, so this is where u come as of now we have like 3 to 4 bashers(bboybets, allsaints united and zoos), my question is if majority of the school feels content and happy, will u aggree that those 3 ppl are just bashing this school... honestly i dont need to prove anything to u, but since we are all so concerned about the prospective students here on value md, we shall do this, it starts today...start counting!

[lswiltshire]

Voice of Reason

My Dear Friend

Having taught in a number of these poor so called medical schools in the Caribbean and read the forum for over six years I can easily discern when the "truth" is being propagated on the forum, and when “cheerleaders” like Serious??, Arvindself50, priceless, and magen-MD are in action. I am glad that you can see, despite your disagreement with Bboybetts, that there is some truth in his statements.

Your concern is for the defamation of the faculty at ASUSOM. My interest is in the students and the parents of the students who spend hard earned money to attend some of these very poor medical schools in the islands.I can not understand why folk who tell the truth about a school is bashing. It is time that the word "bashed" be bashed out of this forum.

You state that you do not know the faculty at All Saints Univ School of Medicine, but you seem to be willing to defend them to the hilt. I am sure that you have not visited All Saints Univ School or any of the really bad Caribbean schools, yet you pontificate like if you are the Lord of Hosts.

Tell me my friend, how can the All Saints Univ administration hiring someone to monitor VMD stop anyone from telling the truth about their “school” on VMD. Why don’t they spend the money on making the school better. Are you saying that the only computers in Roseau reside in the facilities at All Saints?

When ever folk rebel and present their pain and the reasons for their pain to the public on this forum those persons are thought to be malicious (i.e bad). This is not necessarily so. Some of the students get a bad break at these bad schools. Some of the troubled students and those who give trouble were badly selected by greedy school officials. When this is compounded by bad faculty, and bad facilities, and there are bad results, who is to blame?

Often times when ever folk rebel