Out of Network Rotations

[Hawkeye]

Does anyone have any feedback for any out of network rotations in nyc (brooklyn, queens, LI, bronx, manhattan) that accept foreign students? Or at least which hospitals will accept us that we are not affiliated with? I'm looking to use my 12 weeks of out of network time for some electives...

[cavalletti]

Doesn't SGU have Queens now? I thought they were included in the exclusive HHC deal.

[Sree Cheruku]

Northshore LIJ and Downstate Medical School take Carib students for away electives. The first is free, the second has an application fee. The medical school in Albany also has away electives for foreign students but I'm not sure of the details.

Other places like Mount Sinai's medical school take Carib students but require them to pay tuition.

[rokshana]

Doesn't SGU have Queens now? I thought they were included in the exclusive HHC deal.

he meant the borough, not the hospital....

[stephew]

remember you can only do 12 weeks and some states wont license you if you do any.

[Sree Cheruku]

some states wont license you if you do any

Steph dyu know which ones?

[Hawkeye]

remember you can only do 12 weeks and some states wont license you if you do any.

I have heard this as well, but i cant seem to find any info about it. I was under the assumption as long as you do it at a hospital with an ACGME certified program in that field, then it would count. If you are familiar with this, can you explain how to find this info...on maybe california's licensing website or something? Thanks.

[rokshana]

I have heard this as well, but i cant seem to find any info about it. I was under the assumption as long as you do it at a hospital with an ACGME certified program in that field, then it would count. If you are familiar with this, can you explain how to find this info...on maybe california's licensing website or something? Thanks.

the 12 week thing is a NY state thing, check their website.

the everything affliated was a texas thing, but i think that changed a year or 2 ago- check the tmb website

the all ACGME thing is a Pennsylvania thing (but possibly a at least 72 weeks thing) check the Pa website.

best thing to do is check with the particular state medical board that you are concerned about.

the easiest thing to do is have all your rotations at affliated ACGME sites and then you don't have to worry about it (and its doable- - all 80 weeks of clnicals that i will have done are at affliated hospitals with residency(of fellowships) program).

[stephew]

I have heard this as well, but i cant seem to find any info about it. I was under the assumption as long as you do it at a hospital with an ACGME certified program in that field, then it would count. If you are familiar with this, can you explain how to find this info...on maybe california's licensing website or something? Thanks.
no- PA is a state that (last time i checked and I dont go around checkign) will NOT let you get a license if ANY of your rotations were non-Affiliates. Even if its HArvard. No go. If you do extra weeks away, above and beyond youre schools requirmeent that is fine. but if, say, they require 80 weeks of clinicals and you do 4 of those 80 at Posh U, you will be 4 weeks short of your md in their eyes.

[got milk?]

god, this is like playing chess.
if your school doesn't have very many affiliated hospitals, you're screwed.

when you apply for a license, does the board ask you for written proof that the hospital is/was affiliated?
how would they know? and what about schools who lose affiliation agreements, like ross and smu recently?


Where on the NY website does it say you can only do 12 weeks?
I can't find it. i'm looking at NYS Medicine Requirements (http://www.op.nysed.gov/medlic.htm)
i don't see anything

[rokshana]

Where on the NY website does it say you can only do 12 weeks?
I can't find it. i'm looking at NYS Medicine Requirements (http://www.op.nysed.gov/medlic.htm)
i don't see anything

http://www.mountsinai.net/medschool/electives/pdf/nys_eligibility.pdf

[got milk?]

http://www.mountsinai.net/medschool/electives/pdf/nys_eligibility.pdf


this whole time i was worried about licensure in NY for nothing....
If TX and PA have different rules, so be it...... as those states don't interest me

The above rules are not for licensure. They are for clerkships/electives.

According to those rules, NY restricts you from doing more than 12 weeks of rotations at non-affiliated hospitals in NY only.

But you can still go to any of the other 49 states and do all 30 weeks of your electives at non-school-affiliated hospitals....... and then come back to NY to apply for a NY license.
NY won't deny you a license because you did all your electives at a non-affiliated hospital in Kansas.

correct me if i'm wrong.

[Hawkeye]

But you can still go to any of the other 49 states and do all 30 weeks of your electives at non-school-affiliated hospitals.......




If I recall correctly, the school only allows you 12 weeks out of network to count towards graduation....

[got milk?]

If I recall correctly, the school only allows you 12 weeks out of network to count towards graduation....

I go to SMU

your school policy is different.

plus, SGU has so many hospitals, so it's cake finding acgme electives.

[Sree Cheruku]

just got this from Downstate




PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT WE NO LONGER ACCEPT STUDENTS FROM ROSS UNIVERSITY, ST. GEORGES UNIVERSITY or any university or college in the CARIBBEAN.

[vtrain]

...but they take our residents...funny how that works, eh?

[rokshana]

just got this from Downstate

gonna be difficult isn't it, not to take sgu students, when kings county is an HHC hospital??

[stephew]

NY and SGU restrict to 12 weeks. SGU picked 12 weeks based on the NY rule. But no more than 12 are permitted. A note: I did some at sinai. they charge an arm and a leg. And make SURE you keep copies of evals and SPECIFICALLY ASK THAT THEY AND SGU DO. You'll potentially need for licsensure and sinai gets very confused about where to find it years later.
this whole time i was worried about licensure in NY for nothing....
If TX and PA have different rules, so be it...... as those states don't interest me

The above rules are not for licensure. They are for clerkships/electives.

According to those rules, NY restricts you from doing more than 12 weeks of rotations at non-affiliated hospitals in NY only.

But you can still go to any of the other 49 states and do all 30 weeks of your electives at non-school-affiliated hospitals....... and then come back to NY to apply for a NY license.
NY won't deny you a license because you did all your electives at a non-affiliated hospital in Kansas.

correct me if i'm wrong.