this is exciting news

[sukhtinder]

i cannot wait for this new school to take off and become one of the fine institutions located in the carribean.

[windsorMD]

$10k + tuition for a brand new school..no accreditations whatsoever, this should be something..

[lswiltshire]

$10k + tuition for a brand new school..no accreditations whatsoever, this should be something..


How do you mean it is not accredited anywhere?
Are you saying that a charter from the St Vincent Government is less valid than a charter from St Kitts?

It seems that this school is destined to be less bogus than the school that operated for all these years in something like a barn near the Basseterre docks.

Run up and bowl again. That was a rank long hop!

[emt036]

Funny, I don't see any evidence of a charter in IMED. The only school in there is Kingstown Medical College, which was another campus of SGU until they pulled out. Maybe we need to close this forum until the school gets a charter, lest we have another CMU debacle.

[rokshana]

Are you saying that a charter from the St Vincent Government is less valid than a charter from St Kitts?


have you SEEN a charter?? Its not on their website, just saying that they have one.

I'm not saying that there won't be one, but at this point we don't know...

[Scott1981]

agreed.

DOC, this forum is opened a little too early. i think it should be closed until we actually see a charter and imed listing.

[sukhtinder]

user can't play nice

[Scott1981]

opinions on whether this school will "take off" doesnt really matter. what matters is VMD keeping its standards intact and adhering to the policy of no forums for schools with no proof of charters and imed listings.

[MDXRS22]

I do agree with you.......

[emt036]

what matters is VMD keeping its standards intact and adhering to the policy of no forums for schools with no proof of charters and imed listings.

and no advertising... (as in here (http://www.valuemd.com/tusom.php).)

[TXMD2B]

I just think the tuition is a little too steep compared to other schools that have the credentials. Every new school has to start somewhere though…

[argazul]

Wow, and you are too optimistic. It has a long way to go to catch up with the big 3. I'm not saying it may not get there, but i can't see it happening soon. I plan to start med school soon but I sure will not be their guinea pig. Reputation needs time to built, not history at another school.

[medschoolmania]

i second that.....this shud be closed down till further notice

[DOCplucinski]

i saw the banner the other day and checked out their website. ANOTHER caribbean medical school...enough said.

[Yossarrian]

I am really surprised that a school is allowed on St. Vincent's since St. George's has a campus there. Anyone know who owns this new pearl of the Caribbean? Not much substantive info on the web site. Yossarrian

[rokshana]

I am really surprised that a school is allowed on St. Vincent's since St. George's has a campus there. Anyone know who owns this new pearl of the Caribbean? Not much substantive info on the web site. Yossarrian

sgu is no longer in SVG- for about a year now...

[fizzy123]

is this school new?has it already started?how many students are enrolled?

I also dont understand the fee structure!!!is it 10k for the 1st four semesters or 10k/semester?

[dt]

is this school new?has it already started?how many students are enrolled?

I also dont understand the fee structure!!!is it 10k for the 1st four semesters or 10k/semester?


Yes, it's new. No, I dont think it's open yet.

If it 10k for 4 semesters then that's a good deal. But...


I was looking at their financial webpage and come across this:

Canadian students are eligible for federal loans through the Ministry of Education Student Support Branch in a province of residence. Students may apply for up to 52 weeks of financial assistance annually. Work directly with your individual province for information regarding requirements.

In reality, the student loans will not be available for this school till it's designated. The school will need to initiate this (or a student can). Then the student loan office will check accreditation. Thus far, I dont see any evidence of accreditation.

And I also dont see why Royal Bank will lend any money without proof of accreditation.

This school is too new and too risky till it can prove governmental accreditation and listed on IMED.

[NikoMD]

So why is this school still up on VMD.

[StepperK]

Notice that two of the founders were recently a part of Ross University. In fact, one of them worked in the AICM office in Miami in Admissions until recently (see my jumped ship post on Ross)

[jameslynton]

So why is this school still up on VMD.That is a good question. Unlike other unnamed start up medical schools in the last few years - these people did the leg work and got funded first.

However, until they get IMED - they are on probation on the forum. If we see we have an issue like several other ones. They will be locked and lost. See Doc's post about this.

http://www.valuemd.com/trinity-university-school-medicine-tusom/151391-imed-listed.html#post769065

We will be heavily moderating this forum until then and any trolls - cheerleaders - trouble makers that don't post within the (TOS) terms of service of valuemd will be infracted.

[MYMD]

I do not think allowing one school not IMED yet have a forum and yet not another is a good idea.

IMHO all schools must have at least IMED and ECMFG before getting their own forum.

WIthout IMED listing then it is a completely unrecognized school in the USA

[lswiltshire]

WIthout IMED listing then it is a completely unrecognized school in the USA

Last time I checked, there were so many other countries in the world besides the USA

It seems too, that students are coming to offshore schools from countries in the world.....because they want to practice in thier own countries.

When I went to medical school I did not give two hoots if my school was recognised in the USA, cause I had and still have no interest in practicing in the USA.

I off course, went to a very good school that is indeed recognised in the USA in all fifty states.

I am sure that there are many medical students in many other good schools that do not care if their school is recognised in the USA.... like Cambridge and Oxford and Dundee and Edinburgh and St Barts etc. real good schools

I hope thast Trinity will be IMED listed soon and that this school and UMHS will squeeze the life blood out of, and thus close schools like All Saints Xavier SJMS St Theresa Windsor IUA and others of that ilk!

What we need is a few good big schools that are "completely recognized schools in the USA."

[MYMD]

WIthout IMED listing then it is a completely unrecognized school in the USA

Last time I checked, there were so many other countries in the world besides the USA

It seems too, that students are coming to offshore schools from countries in the world.....because they want to practice in thier own countries.

When I went to medical school I did not give two hoots if my school was recognised in the USA, cause I had and still have no interest in practicing in the USA.

I off course, went to a very good school that is indeed recognised in the USA in all fifty states.

I am sure that there are many medical students in many other good schools that do not care if their school is recognised in the USA.... like Cambridge and Oxford and Dundee and Edinburgh and St Barts etc. real good schools

...............................................

LOL All the legit Schools around the world are on the IMED list, this is standard, IMED is the list as WHO once was. WHY would US students go to medical school to practice elsewhere and make less then what a walmart manager does?

Also you do not have to take a shot at other schools every time, it gets old.:rolleyes:

[lswiltshire]

The point that I so eruditely made is that there were many other countries in the world besides the USA and that m ore students are currently coming to Caribbean offshore schools from other countries in the world.....who want to practice in their own countries. This forum does not exist for US students but for MEDICAL STUDENTS! Hence your point “WIthout IMED listing then it is a completely unrecognized school in the USA” is moot. Who cares? Only US students.

So to many folk currently using this forum they do not care if their school is a recognized school in the USA or not! Not everyone desires to live between Alaska and the Florida Keys. To many their homelands are their haven and their heaven!

I learned about IMED listing almost 30 years AFTER I went to medical school. You see folk who go to their country’s medical school don’t know or need to know or care about IMED listing. They just go to school. And much better schools than most of the offshore Caribbean schools.

With respect to WHY would US students go to medical school to practice elsewhere and make less then what a walmart manager does?

Again I did not address the issue of US students going to medical school, cause that is not my focus. However, I know many doctors who practice medicine in other parts of the world and are paid much less than “what a walmart manager does” and who live very wholesome, fruitful and satisfied lives, and are well respected, loved and known in their countries. You see, money is not all. Many of us who went to medical school did not go so as to make loads of money.

I know a US trained Dr that works in the polyclinic system in Barbados since 1985. He is very happy there. And he is probably paid much less than “what a walmart manager does .” Know what? He is having a ball in Bim!

Re Also you do not have to take a shot at other schools every time, it gets old.
To you - but not to me! Quid dixi scripsique, Quid dixi scripsique, Steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work knowing that my labor is not in vain. You see in time some real accreditation body will come into being that cares about standards. One day it will be fixed, and we will have standards.

[Chemist_11]

I am sure that there are many medical students in many other good schools that do not care if their school is recognised in the USA.... like Cambridge and Oxford and Dundee and Edinburgh and St Barts etc. real good schools



:p Cough Cough :p

[MYMD]

The point that I so eruditely made is that there were many other countries in the world besides the USA and that m ore students are currently coming to Caribbean offshore schools from other countries in the world.....who want to practice in their own countries. This forum does not exist for US students but for MEDICAL STUDENTS! Hence your point “WIthout IMED listing then it is a completely unrecognized school in the USA” is moot. Who cares? Only US students.

So to many folk currently using this forum they do not care if their school is a recognized school in the USA or not! Not everyone desires to live between Alaska and the Florida Keys. To many their homelands are their haven and their heaven!

I learned about IMED listing almost 30 years AFTER I went to medical school. You see folk who go to their country’s medical school don’t know or need to know or care about IMED listing. They just go to school. And much better schools than most of the offshore Caribbean schools.

With respect to WHY would US students go to medical school to practice elsewhere and make less then what a walmart manager does?

Again I did not address the issue of US students going to medical school, cause that is not my focus. However, I know many doctors who practice medicine in other parts of the world and are paid much less than “what a walmart manager does” and who live very wholesome, fruitful and satisfied lives, and are well respected, loved and known in their countries. You see, money is not all. Many of us who went to medical school did not go so as to make loads of money.

I know a US trained Dr that works in the polyclinic system in Barbados since 1985. He is very happy there. And he is probably paid much less than “what a walmart manager does .” Know what? He is having a ball in Bim!

Re Also you do not have to take a shot at other schools every time, it gets old.
To you - but not to me! Quid dixi scripsique, Quid dixi scripsique, Steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work knowing that my labor is not in vain. You see in time some real accreditation body will come into being that cares about standards. One day it will be fixed, and we will have standards.


OK fine then what standards does this school have? I have not seen any to date? Not listed by anyone and no proven charter?

So originally I posted it should not have a forum due to no IMED since it is a ValueMD standard.

You just posted a "Standards post" This school does not meet it. ;)

[lswiltshire]

Chemist 11
Wrote
Cough Cough
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Yes Sir! Those are REAL fairly universal standards that one can relate to, when one considers the numbers of countries in the Commonwealth. LOL

MYMD

OK fine then what standards does this school have? I have not seen any to date? Not listed by anyone and no proven charter?

Run up and bowl again. That was a rank long hop!
What you have seen does not really matter.
It was written clearly in the St Vincent papers thatDr R G…………. the duly elected PM of St Vincent and the Grenadines has given Trinity a proven charter. That makes the charter valid and creditable to me. I KNOW RG! One expects that in due course that the school will be IMED listed……….and even listed in the Yellow Pages and the Telephone book and ad infinitum and ad nauseam. So what?

Unlike CMU and JBGDL, Trinity actually has a proven charter!

Moderator James Lynton wrote in clear English for those who read and understand English well, thatwith respect to Trinity “until they get IMED - they are on probation on the forum.”

So they have also met a VMD standard for being listed on VMD!

Seems to me that VMD has the right to set and change their standards, just as the so many schools listed on VMD that supposedly have a charter and are IMED listed, but yet have set very poor standards, compared to the standards set by real medical schools around the world (including the US) , in terms of facilities, faculty , scholarship, research, participation in the health delivery services of their hosts etc..

Having been to a school of excellence and an excellent school that demonstrates these things, I think I have just a little idea about what I am saying.

[grobble]

This is what happens when moderators feel the need to have different rules for different schools. If you don't have IMED you shouldn't have a forum on VMD. Why did a moderator feel a need for this special dispensation for TUSM?

[dt]

It was written clearly in the St Vincent papers thatDr R G…………. the duly elected PM of St Vincent and the Grenadines has given Trinity a proven charter. That makes the charter valid and creditable to me. I KNOW RG! One expects that in due course that the school will be IMED listed……….and even listed in the Yellow Pages and the Telephone book and ad infinitum and ad nauseam. So what?



Got a link for the St. Vincent paper? Thanks.

[lswiltshire]

Sorry, no I dont. But read it a few weeks ago.

[DOCplucinski]

This is what happens when moderators feel the need to have different rules for different schools. If you don't have IMED you shouldn't have a forum on VMD. Why did a moderator feel a need for this special dispensation for TUSM?
i suppose the policy is we give schools time to obtain the listing before they are pulled. not only will their forum be closed (like CMUs) but their ads will be pulled as well. i'm not sure what the grace period is for schools not listed in IMED but we will shut it down as we did before with CMU.

[jameslynton]

This is what happens when moderators feel the need to have different rules for different schools. If you don't have IMED you shouldn't have a forum on VMD. Why did a moderator feel a need for this special dispensation for TUSM?We have the same rules for all new schools. It is applied fair and consistently. We will not talk about the other schools on this forum unless you wish to get an infraction for trolling. Grobble, If you have an issue with the policy please PM DOC. I am sure he will explain it to you.

[grobble]

We have the same rules for all new schools. It is applied fair and consistently. We will not talk about the other schools on this forum unless you wish to get an infraction for trolling. Grobble, If you have an issue with the policy please PM DOC. I am sure he will explain it to you.

You might want to read the comment by the other moderator. Asking a question is not obviously allowed in your mind on the "supposed" DB policies. If you noticed the moderators response was far from definitive on the "supposed" policies of the DB.

[dt]

Sorry, no I dont. But read it a few weeks ago.


I found this website: Searchlight Newspaper St. Vincent and the Grenadines (http://searchlight.vc/)

They have this article but I'm not going to pay the subscription to read it.
29.FEB.08 Trinity University School of Medicine coming to SVG (http://searchlight.vc/link.asp?smenu=1&twindow=&sdetail=16190&mad=&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=)

[MYMD]

I'm not trying to start anything just point out I think a school should have the very basic Charter and IMED listing, lets not kid ourselves VMD is marketing to the schools and based in the USA or a USA audience so having a School have its own forum that does not have a charter or IMED listing is really not a good idea IMHO

This goes for all schools not just one or two. I think its Bad for VMD to be honest.

So Sorry but I was just giving my opinion on this forum and school at this time

it may be a great school one day I just want to see some standards upheld

[jameslynton]

You might want to read the comment by the other moderator. Asking a question is not obviously allowed in your mind on the "supposed" DB policies. If you noticed the moderators response was far from definitive on the "supposed" policies of the DB.Perhaps I was not clear in what I stated. If you want a definitive answer - PM Doc. We are just lowly moderators - I read what DocP wrote however, discussion of VMD policies is not the title of this thread. Good news for Trinity is. If your want to start a thread do so in the other areas of the forum for questions like that - not here.

[jameslynton]

MYMD - I share your concerns about the IMED - they already have a charter granted 2/29/2008. They are also have money behind them - lots of it if you research it.

My main concern is the reason SGU pulled out of St V - "crime". A quick scan of the local St V newspaper - looks like they have a serious issue with crime there. That however needs to be the topic of another thread maybe called the St V Blotter.

[MYMD]

if they do have a charter that is good

[jameslynton]

if they do have a charter that is goodYes and approved by the Gov of St V. Also I think they have around 15 million in start up funds from the partners.

[rokshana]

Unlike CMU and JBGDL, Trinity actually has a proven charter!



umm, could you show this please? I've looked on the trinity website and its not there.

[lswiltshire]

MYMD
if they do have a charter that is good

OF COURSE IT IS! I TALK FACTS! I NEVER SPECULATE ON THIS FORUM

James wrote
Yes and approved by the Gov of St V.

You bet it is, and RG has more power in ST V than the President has in the USA. And RG has exercised his power (just like the Government of the Cooks islands did last March).

Also I think they have around 15 million in start up funds from the partners

THAT IS GOOD TOO- THEY WONT FIRE STAFF AFTER 4 MONTHS AND CLOSE DOWN IN 8 FOR LACK OF FUNDS

Once you have a charter........IMED will follow. Once you have that financial backing you can go places. You can have some sort of standards. You can hire good staff and look after the students as if there are human beings, unlike what I saw at certain schools. Do you know how many of these exotic and equisite offshore Caribbean schools started on a shoe string, or are running on a shoestring?

James wrote also
My main concern is the reason SGU pulled out of St V - "crime". A quick scan of the local St V newspaper - looks like they have a serious issue with crime there.

James do you think the crime rate in St Vincent has as high an incidence or evinces the type of awfulness as occurs in the average American city, or as say in Orlando, where I live. Tell me so that I can stay here rather than go to St Vincent & the Grenadines to work.

A quick scan of the local Orlando Sentinel paper reveals that they have a serious issue with crime here. But they still have a lot of tourists here too. Oh and there will be a new medical school in Central Florida in a few years still.


Have you ever been to ST V & the Grenadines James?

Is the crime rate in St Vincent greater than say St Kitts/Nevis where they are the most medical schools per square mile.

Just asking a few questions, your honor.

[Scott1981]

MYMD

A quick scan of the local Orlando Sentinel paper reveals that they have a serious issue with crime here. But they still have a lot of tourists here too. Oh and there will be a new medical school in Central Florida in a few years still.



yea, but most of that crime is usually confined to pine hills, parramore, and tangelo park..... all places that tourists and the new med school will be miles away from.

[jameslynton]

lswiltshire asks "Have you ever been to ST V & the Grenadines James?" - Can't say that I have. It is on my travel list for the future. Everywhere has a bit of crime. However, if I remember it was students being raped on St V that was the deciding factor for SGU to leave along with a very serious drug war issue that is still on going there.

Rok - other than the article in the paper, about the charter I have no direct proof. I don't remember seeing a charter on SGU's website last time I looked at it. I did find one line that references their founding and partnership with the island. However, if you do a web search on the partners behind this school, you will find at least one of the partners on linkedin has a very good medical business going.

lswiltshire - without seeing their business plan - we don't know which business model they are picking to use. Many of the start up schools are using the shoestring/bootstap finance method (high rate of failure). Others have used the build it and they will come method. We can only hope they are using a sensible business plan with money, staff and a good infrastructure to get it going. Then get state approvals like AUA did in three or four years. We will have to just wait and see.