Chicago Greenbook Core Rotations

[adenosine]

Can anyone tell me which core rotations are affiliated with AUA in Chicago? It must be greenbook listed.

[Sree Cheruku]

FM at Jackson Park and IM at Michael Reese are Green. I don't know about any other Greenbook rotations in Illinois.

[s15]

i've had some friends in clinicals tell me that every rotation at jackson park is considered greenbook through the "family practice umbrella". does anyone know if this is true?

[Sree Cheruku]

i've had some friends in clinicals tell me that every rotation at jackson park is considered greenbook through the "family practice umbrella". does anyone know if this is true?
Many states, (California being the notable exception,) don't accept that.

A rotation that is "accredited" through an ACGME-accredited residency program in Family Medicine is a Bluebook rotation. It is probably safer to do an Osteopathic Rotation than a Bluebook rotation since more states (the exceptions I know are Pennsylvania, Oklahoma and Texas) are ok with DO rotations.

[DrSpeaksSoftly]

Many states, (California being the notable exception,) don't accept that.

A rotation that is "accredited" through an ACGME-accredited residency program in Family Medicine is a Bluebook rotation. It is probably safer to do an Osteopathic Rotation than a Bluebook rotation since more states (the exceptions I know are Pennsylvania, Oklahoma and Texas) are ok with DO rotations.


If I wanted to practice Reproductive Endocrinology in Chicago would it be okay to do blue books in under the "family" umbrella? I ask because I really would prefer to stay in Chicago with all my rotations since I plan on living there when all is said and done. Sorry Sree for all the questions but I need to know if I can "settle" there or if I am going to be a gypsy for 24 more months. :p

[Sree Cheruku]

If you're absolutely sure that you want to practice in Illinois, Bluebook rotations should be fine, but call them to be sure.

[NicSTX]

Ok, so all I have left to schedule is my FM rotation. They told me I would be sent to jackson park, but then was informed that instead of JP hospital I'd be going to some outsource clinic an hour away to do my rotation - but that my grade would be from jackson park.

It sounds a bit iffy to me, has anyone else done this and know anything about it.

I told her absolutely not, and I only wanted to do the rotation at JP, but I'm getting pretty desperate.

[aechev]

I am at JPH right now for IM. I went to day and asked the director of medical education about how FM works. You are off site at a JPH clinic and with JPH doctors and residents. It is a JPH rotation just at an off site clinic. I hope this helps. If there is anything else I can find out for you, please let me know.

[Sree Cheruku]

Ok, so all I have left to schedule is my FM rotation. They told me I would be sent to jackson park, but then was informed that instead of JP hospital I'd be going to some outsource clinic an hour away to do my rotation - but that my grade would be from jackson park.
The AUA eval says Jackson Park's address and the Director of Medical Education's signature will be from Jackson Park Hospital. Apparently there was a case where a State Medical Board (California) chose to dig deeper and found problems with the fact that the address listed on the evaluation did not match that of the training facility where the student performed the clerkship.

Here's the relevant link:
http://www.valuemd.com/ross-university-school-medicine/140207-medical-board-not-accepting-chicago-affiliate-rotations.html

Based on that link, it seems to me that the only reason that California got involved is because a disgruntled student e-mailed the board. Also, Pat Park's response was:


Mr. D, If Ross University submits a Form L6 on your behalf stating that you completed a surgery rotation at Jackson Park Hospital on 7531 South Stony Island Avenue when, in reality, you did the surgery rotation in another facility 5 miles away, that's perjury. The Form L6 needs to reflect the actual facility where the training took place, and that facility needs to be an approved teaching facility as defined by California statute. Ross University can't circumvent the location problem by stating some vague location on the Form L6, say, for example: Jackson Park Clinical Network or Jackson Park Regional Authority, Inc. For career purposes, you need to train in the best facilities possible. For purposes of California licensure, you need to ensure that your licensing application and all supporting documents reflect only true statements. Filing false statements in licensing applications is treated very harshly at the Medical Board of California. Please protect yourself and your future career from others' poor judgments. Let me know if you have other questions.

P. P., Foreign Schools Liaison, Medical Board of California


AUA is not California approved and will never file the Form L6 on your behalf. There are, as the link suggests, many many many Ross students who have done their rotation in JPH's satellite clinic and have been licensed with no problems. There are even people who have done rotations here and have been licensed in California, despite Pat Park's response.

There are better reasons to drop this rotation than because California has a problem with it -

1. like the fact that the rotation is horrible (it really is), and
2. the fact that you are supervised by PAs, at least one of whom has zero medical knowledge (This was my first rotation and I asked if my preceptor would show me how to read an EKG and an X-*** - she told me that she didn't know how herself)
3. the fact that the grading is probably the most subjective that I've ever seen in 1.5 years of rotating.
4. the fact that this clinic is located in the middle of nowhere - you travel on a dirt road that borders a farm to get there

Do family in North Oakland, in Wyckoff, in one of many, many hospitals we have in Upstate New York. AUA does not have a shortage of Family rotations that I know of.

[NicSTX]

Yeah, there seems to be a shortage. Ny is booked solid till next year, michigan refuses to take people who aren't in their 'special' curriculum, baltimore is booked till next year - so all I have is chicago... Bummer

[Madinat]

Yeah, there seems to be a shortage. Ny is booked solid till next year, michigan refuses to take people who aren't in their 'special' curriculum, baltimore is booked till next year - so all I have is chicago... Bummer


***? so everywhere is booked? that's crazy!:?

[BBD]

FM at Jackson Park and IM at Michael Reese are Green. I don't know about any other Greenbook rotations in Illinois.

Michael Reese's IM program is closing, there residents have gotten spots at other programs as of the begininng of July.

[BBD]

***? so everywhere is booked? that's crazy!:?

AUA may have or already has a problem. According to their reports they have 150 in the 5th semester in spring and 80 in 5th that started in May. Plans are to get up to 900 students on the island. I haven't heard of any large number of new clinical spots. Many people seem to be having problems getting things booked. AUA really needs to try to expand somewhere, we don't have much in Chicago compared to the other schools that have more contracts

[Caerus]

It's my understanding that Jackson Park Family Practice Residency is affiliated with the Chicago Medical School, which is listed on ACGME as offering Internal Medicine and Psychiatry residencies. Thus, both IM and Psych core rotations are then considered Green Book in Jackson Park (and of course the FP rotation).

Does this reasoning seem logical? Does anyone know of any other cores in Jackson Park that could be considered green book? Thanks.

[OTF]

It's my understanding that Jackson Park Family Practice Residency is affiliated with the Chicago Medical School, which is listed on ACGME as offering Internal Medicine and Psychiatry residencies. Thus, both IM and Psych core rotations are then considered Green Book in Jackson Park (and of course the FP rotation).

Does this reasoning seem logical? Does anyone know of any other cores in Jackson Park that could be considered green book? Thanks.

The FP program is ACGME and thus that rotation is green book. The other rotations are under the "FP umbrella". There have been past threads regarding the implications of the "FP umbrella green book" and whether it may or may not cause problems in the future in some states. I believe there was a thread about Ross students having some problems getting Texas liscensure with FP umbrella rotations from Jackson Park.

The safest thing to do is only do FP at Jackson Park. You want to do ACGME cores and electives, if all possible. AUA should really work on getting an ACGME IM, Psych, Surg, Peds in Chicago. It appears AUA is really being more concerned about green book rotations. When I put in applications for electives TL said, make sure thet are green book, even though some states let you get away with blue book electives. They were University programs so it wasn't a concern. Having non green book rotations may come back to limit you in the future, so it's better just not to have to worry about it.

[mcMD1]

YES! More greenbook rotations in Chicago PLEASE!!!! ;)