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anjali

12-02-2007, 09:55 PM

Hey guys,

i know it's kind of early, but are any of you starting kmcic in july 08? just wanted to know.....a little anxious.....:D

samfromVA

12-04-2007, 12:45 PM

I didn't realize semester in KMC starts on July. I thought semesters in both carribean started in May 2008 and like wise. Well new info...always good.

Laconic

12-09-2007, 11:03 AM

I am awaiting acceptance letter. Do you know anyone who went through the program previously so I can get a little more information on kmcic and manipal?

-Thanks

Laconic

12-11-2007, 12:56 AM

Does anyone have a real perspective on which campus would prepare a student better for usmles? Or to the least, would they be equivalent to each other in teaching methods, facilities, instructional quality, and profs? Although kmcic program is called the twinning program, I am surprised how little information (even on the kmcic website) is available to students interested in the program..
Would really like to get some realistic opinions and facts about the program instead of contemplating stuff. ..

Are there really 5th sem students out there who went through the kmcic program? Cuz I have been trying to reach almost every possible contact I can find on the internet.. lol

Tipton

12-11-2007, 10:26 AM

The most advanced students from KMCIC are in 5th Semester now in Baltimore. That's probably why they haven't been getting back to you.

I anticipate KMCIC students being very well prepared for Step 1. But we won't know for sure until they actually sit for the test and get results.

Sree Cheruku

12-11-2007, 04:26 PM

Does anyone have a real perspective on which campus would prepare a student better for usmles? Or to the least, would they be equivalent to each other in teaching methods, facilities, instructional quality, and profs?

Your performance on the MLE depends far more on your individual effort in the 3-4 months preceding the test than where you went to school. KMC is a much older and more reputable institution so you'll probably get a better overall Basic Sciences education there. The reason most people prefer the Antigua campus because it's closer geographically.

chopramo

12-17-2007, 12:18 PM

Recently I heard that there are 6 semesters to the Basic Sciences in Manipal compared to 4 in Antigua is that true?
Are the courses, exams the same?
are there any disadvantages to going to Manipal, besides being away from home, language and living conditions?

Is there a link to the KMCIC basic sciences besides this Manipal Kmcic (http://www.manipal-kmcic.edu.in/curri.htm) ? This link gives info on the pre-med and basic health sciences and if you see the basic sciences shows 6 semesters. wanted to clarify that. thanks.

chopramo

12-17-2007, 12:53 PM

Can someone confirm that the structure of Manipal and Antigua is the same? I mean if you choose to do basic sciences in Manipal do we do the same courses, exams etc ? I know it take 2 yrs in Manipal compared to 16 months in Antigua, can someone tell me why the diff and is there a diff in the fees? please advice as I am seriously thinking of applying for July 08.

Tipton

12-17-2007, 01:25 PM

Timeframe difference (24 months vs 16 months) resulting from different academic calendar: 2 semesters/year in Manipal vs 3 semesters/year in Antigua.

Have you seen the KMCIC website: www.manipal-kmcic.edu.in (http://www.manipal-kmcic.edu.in/)?

Give me a call if you need to discuss this in more detail. A LOT easier to explain over the phone than here.

adityasplash

01-19-2008, 03:36 AM

hey..
i have just completed my 10+2 from rajasthan india.
i wanted to go for the kmcic aua twinning program and can anyone help me out in getting all the necessary admission requirements.

DOCplucinski

01-20-2008, 06:14 PM

http://www.manipal-kmcic.edu.in/

browse around there, you should be able to find what you're looking for

Tipton

01-25-2008, 08:55 PM

Give me a call on Monday. I just came back from Manipal.

See below...

SGU06

02-12-2008, 07:51 PM

How is it? How's the campus? Are the facilities/dorms/campus nice? Can an Indian American adjust there?

Tipton

02-13-2008, 08:57 AM

I can give you my experiences from my trip there a few weeks ago. And I can tell you what students have told me...But let's wait and see if any students respond first.

Medichick

02-15-2008, 02:38 PM

How is it? Its a nice place...India is great especially if you have family here.
How's the campus? Just visit manipal.edu and you'll see a big building...thats the library. Its amazing. If you have the discipline, you can come and find all your textbooks here without ever buying one. The anatomy building, classes, everything is within walkable distance.
Are the facilities/dorms/campus nice? Both the boys and girls hostels allocated to KMCIC are very good. We get first preference (because we pay lots!) there is laundry service, cleaning and everything. We pretty much get pampered here. My hostel has a 24hr cafe...great for exam time.
Can an Indian American adjust there? Yes but it depends how indian and how american. that is, I love it here because I'm more indian than american. The all-girls mess in the local girls' hostel has the best food! But there is a food court offers more choices internationally.
Each subject has about 3 professors who give out their cell phone numbers and one can go in for help any time.

mannr

02-15-2008, 04:45 PM

I was thinking of going there cuz im indian american, but i kept hearing rumors of discrimination and just general rudeness from students and professors just because your indian american
I dont know how accurate the statements I read were

ravigoteti

02-15-2008, 10:31 PM

Hey Mr. Tipton

I have few questions on KMC Manipal as well, regarding their whole program outline.

I checked their website recently and I see 6 semesters now, instead of 4 semesters even if I am finishing up my HBSc in Medical laboratory science.

I spoke to the director or someone last year and they told me that, if I finish my bachelors of sciences, I can do my 4 semesters @ KMC, followed by the clinicals later.

Can you confirm that for me? As well, when is a good time to contact you?

Thanks
Ravi

Medichick

02-16-2008, 07:34 AM

There is no discrimination...its prejudice. Discrimination involves having power to affect someone's life. KMCIC teachers really don't. Because its all multiple choices...you get what you pick. Education wise, they can't fail you because they don't like you. If the questions aren't fair, we complain and we do get points. There is, however, prejudice due to cultural differences.

Indians believe that to be successful, you need to have a good education. A good education guarantees a stable income. Where in US, your clothes, style and general personality makes you popular, in India it's acedemic achievement that makes everyone take notice.
Teachers love the students who are willing to learn.
Unless you have a buring desire to be a doctor, you've pretty much lost your motivation being far away from home and all...
Sad to say, NRI premeds who come here just get drunk and don't care about classes. Everything is cheaper and there's no drinking age.
We Indian Americans stand out because we don't give a damn about locals
If the teachers are rude its because they see the NRI girls walking to class like they are off to a club. Honestly, if a doctor came to you wearing jeans, tank top and a bandana, would you trust him/her? they want us to discipline ourselves.
In india, students learn through shame...teachers try to shame you into learning. If you know that the teacher is going to pick on you, you better know the material so he won't...is the general attitude. The teachers try to use the same methods with us.

The physiology professor is the former Dean of KMC with about 40 yrs of experience. He's strict but a dynamic teacher. I remember when i went to see him after having failed a test. I broke down and he was like, "Thats ok, your parents are not here. Think of me as your grandfather."
Even the custodiens look out for me, ask me about my classes and wish me luck everytime I go into the exam hall...
They even try to teach me the local language! Although I think they just laugh at my accent.

The teachers scold you, yell at you, shame you, and at the same time care about you. My anatomy teacher made me come to his office every day and quizzed me on neuro a week before the final because I was soo nervous!
In the end, you need to remember than you're here to SIEZE an education not GET it...you TAKE your education no matter what the attitude of the teacher is.

Sorry for that lengthy reply...I got carried away.

Medichick

02-16-2008, 10:52 AM

there are 4 semesters for basic sciences...I'm in the 5th. I'll be done in December. Its also because our semesters are about 6 months.
Also, they are numbered differently. You see, if you start in 2yr 1st sem of premed and finish 3 yrs, you get BSc. Health sciences degree from Manipal University. So they call is 1st sem BSc. Confusing? Yes, well..

the premed though is a waste of time. they learn basic algebra, what is a simile, and how to eat healthy. Those premeds are bored out of their minds! Out of the 2 yrs of premed, the 2nd yr 2nd sem is the only one that prepares you somewhat for the rigorous curriculum.

Personally, I'd recommend that you take premed courses back home and come here for Basic sciences. Or atleast, take the classes that are taught the first 3 semesters of basic sciences and join here for the rest. But thats just me...

ravigoteti

02-16-2008, 10:53 AM

thats valuable information!

How is the regular environment, outside classes? Student lives, student clubs and things like that?

And how much time do you spend on academic activities /day?

Thanks for all the info!

Sree Cheruku

02-16-2008, 12:39 PM

Sorry for that lengthy reply...I got carried away.

No, it's a great post and something we can link to when students come to this forum asking for information about the KMC side of the twinning program. :)

Doctor_MD

02-16-2008, 05:25 PM

I really don't know much, but I can tell you this. Last semester many of the professors came from Manipal to Antigua to teach the Anatomy labs and I have to say I really enjoyed most of them. They were very knowledgeable and insightful. Needless to say, they are all gone this semester for whatever reason. They are "MIA" according to Dr. H...

Tipton

02-16-2008, 05:39 PM

YES! Thank you Medi...sounds like medschool boot camp.

I wish I had more of a chance to connect with current students while I was over there last month.

Tipton

02-16-2008, 05:45 PM

I spoke to the director or someone last year and they told me that, if I finish my bachelors of sciences, I can do my 4 semesters @ KMC, followed by the clinicals later.

Can you confirm that for me? As well, when is a good time to contact you?

Correct: BSc III through BSc VI at KMCIC correspond to Med 1 through Med 4 at AUA. It confused me the first time I looked at it too.

I'm usually at my desk from 8:30am to 4:25pm or so Monday through Friday. This week I'm out Monday)holiday) and Wednesday(visiting SUNY Stonybrook). But other than that I'm there: 866-562-7708.

RamanSingh

02-16-2008, 08:43 PM

Is AUA trying to get California approval only for their twinning program with KMCIC? Or also for AUA alone? Does anyone also know if one would have to take the basic sciences at Manipal to be eligible for Cali if they were to get approved? Is it also possible for AUA graduates to Cali approval through getting a new york license and then applying for Cali? Thx guys.

Sree Cheruku

02-16-2008, 09:52 PM

Does anyone also know if one would have to take the basic sciences at Manipal to be eligible for Cali if they were to get approved?
As I understand it, KMCIC is not California approved, so whether or not you complete your Basic Sciences in India, you won't be able to practice in California.

Is it also possible for AUA graduates to Cali approval through getting a new york license and then applying for Cali?
No.

If you already are a KMC-(AUA) student, don't worry so much about California accreditation. Assume that you won't get licensed there (or in any other state that uses the California list) and focus on maximizing the list of other states you can practice in - by making sure you rotate only through ACGME-accredited clinical sites, for example.

adityasplash

02-16-2008, 10:17 PM

Give me a call on Monday. I just came back from Manipal.

See below...

Sir
Can you please tell me what is the eligibility required for this twinning program because i am a resident of india and just completed my high school from here. I came to know that this program was only for nri students and not for us so kindly reply me regarding the same as soon as possible

Medichick

02-16-2008, 11:26 PM

How is the regular environment, outside classes? Student lives, student clubs and things like that?
There is a basket ball team, a bhangra team, and any other team you can imagine. the teachers strongly encourage to join in after school activities. If there isn't a team, you make one.

They have independence day/republic day parades where our school participates in marches. Our boys basketball team won intercollege so we got a holiday.
I like to hang out with the RIs a lot because they do more fun things. I joined Dramanon, a drama club which puts on wonderful plays!
I go to learn bharatanatyam in Udupi and learn classical music. I spend about a hr each on saturday and sunday for these.
I'm currently learning Kannada so than I can communicate with patients in the hospital. They give you a better response if you can talk to them in their own language.
there is MSAID--they go help out in orphanages about 2/more times a month, they do lots of fundraising and support hospitals.
The Kasturba Hospital recently opened up a volunteer branch where they allow us to go in for a hour or more a week to help them out.
One of my friend belongs to an astronomy club.
And how much time do you spend on academic activities /day?
Hmmmm...Not as much as I should.
The first 2 semesters of basic science is just memorization. This year is more of applying what I learned. I find these classes lots of fun. This time we lucked out and got great professors from the main campus.
Some days I'm done by noon and some by 4pm. So I just go over the lectures and read the related textbook material. So I'm done by 7:30, go to dinner.
Thats all it takes me on short days. Long days takes me up until 9pm or more. I usually have time to read a few pages of my favorite novel by the end of the day.
THIS IS IF I KEPT UP WITH STUDIES EVERY DAY!
If I skip a day or two, I find myself scrambling to finish it on saturday nights/sunday nights.
Again, friday, satuday evenings are when I do my extra activities.
I still wish there are at least 10 more hours in a day so I can completely learn everything... :)

The Night life:
There are a few night clubs. My class goes to Goa/bangalore/mangalore the long weekend after sessional exams.
I don't know much about it because my idea of a wild night is reading a novel until 2 am ;)

ravigoteti

02-17-2008, 08:53 AM

thanks a lot!
I'm glad you're doing well (and liking it). Its also very good to know on the student life @ KMC.

Should I go there, i might learn classical music as well :)! (provided I manage my courses on time).

Thanks again

induram

02-17-2008, 02:32 PM

hi,

i just got got a confirmation letter from Kmc for july 08 anrollment. am really excited. Just wondering if anyone has info abt this kmc-aua twinning program with medical council of india. Any possibility they would approve to practice in india once they graduate or in the future.

DOCplucinski

02-17-2008, 03:17 PM

Since we have 5 different threads about KMCIC (it's great to see it's getting more popularity) i have started this thread and merged the posts. Please come here and look for information regarding the Twinning Program and current students of the program, please post here as well.

SGU06

02-17-2008, 06:02 PM

kmcic graduates cant practice in india?

Tipton

02-18-2008, 08:22 PM

kmcic graduates cant practice in india?

Take a look at the Medical Council of India (MCI) website to see what they require for graduates of non-Indian medical programs (KMCIC is a US-modeled program designed to fufill US licensing requirements).

I'll refressh my memory and get back to this again. Don't want to have to come back and apologize for giving incorrect info.

BTW - KMCIC does not recruit students from India proper unless they have citizenship other than Indian. The main reason: political issues tied to India medical schools in general and MCI in particular.

adityasplash

02-19-2008, 06:20 AM

Your performance on the MLE depends far more on your individual effort in the 3-4 months preceding the test than where you went to school. KMC is a much older and more reputable institution so you'll probably get a better overall Basic Sciences education there. The reason most people prefer the Antigua campus because it's closer geographically.

can you tell what does basic sciences include???
please...

Tipton

02-19-2008, 08:49 AM

"Basic Sciences" refers to the academic/classroom component of Medical School prior to heading back to the US for USMLE Steps 1&2 and Clinical Rotations.

You can see the curriculum here: BSc Semesters III to VI (http://www.manipal-kmcic.edu.in/curri.htm).

adityasplash

02-19-2008, 09:32 AM

Hey guys can anyone tell me how to opt for this twinning program when the applicant is an indian resident??
please help!!!

adityasplash

02-19-2008, 09:36 AM

Tipton

02-19-2008, 10:18 AM

By "Indian resident" so you mean that you are an Indian citizen? Or a resident of India with other-than-Indian citizenship? We have take Indian citizens into KMCIC before but they have either dual citizenship or other status outside India.

If you are simply an Indian citizen, KMCIC can not accept you.

adityasplash

02-22-2008, 01:05 AM

I wanted to know that after completing my pre bsc. and bsc. programs from kmcic in india which degree will i get???
and when will i get mbbs degree???

please help!! please!!!

adityasplash

02-22-2008, 01:12 AM

mannr

02-22-2008, 02:45 AM

Mr. Tipton can you please tell me that as i am an indian resident and presently in Rajasthan(India) and i hav just completed my high school from here.
I want to opt for this program and i want to know that will it be fit for me???
please help!!!

If you are an indian citizen you can't go to KMCIC. You have to have a citizenship of a country other than India for example USA or Canada. It is for NRI's basically

Tipton

02-22-2008, 09:07 AM

[quote=Sree Cheruku;765195]As I understand it, KMCIC is not California approved, so whether or not you complete your Basic Sciences in India, you won't be able to practice in California.

I wanted to ask you people that i came to that physicians from aua are not recognised and respected in New York City and in other cities of USA as well....
Is that true?? Is this program useless????

Please help!!!!
because i am planning to go for this program..

I'll answer the California question and hopefully the other at the same time. Don't quite understand what else you are asking...

AUA is now in the process of applying for CA licensure. The first step is completing California Medical Board's (CMB) 'Self Assessment Report' and submitting it with supporting documentation to CMB.

So you are correct: graduates of AUA are not yet eligible to apply for Licensure in CA. As I tell people all the time, if the most important thing for you is to practice medicine in CA, then make sure you go to a medical school which has already gained CA approval.

As you can see here: NRMP Results (http://www.auamed.org/result.html) we have already proven the capability of our graduates to gain Residency through the match. If this doesn't throw out the "useless" idea, I don't know what does.

I slogged in through the snow this morning...so if you need me to clarify anything give me a call.

adityasplash

02-23-2008, 02:39 AM

Sree Cheruku

02-23-2008, 08:20 AM

I wanted to ask you people that i came to that physicians from aua are not recognised and respected in New York City and in other cities of USA as well....
Is that true?? Is this program useless????

I don't know what "recognized" means, but you can practice medicine in New York as a graduate of the twinning program. In terms of being respected, you will have to deal with the stigma of being a foreign graduate regardless of which foreign school you attend. You can minimize this somewhat with stellar board exam scores and getting into a competitive residency program. In the end, practicing physicians are judged more often by their competence rather than where they went to school.

Tipton

02-23-2008, 12:23 PM

sir i just wanted to ask that after completing my basic sciences at kmcic which degree will i get????
i was a bit confused regarding this as the curriculum followed by the indian medical colleges is a different one!!!
please help!!

Degree: MD conferred by AUA.

KMCIC is not an Indian medical program. It is a US-modeled medical program in which our students complete the requirements for US licensure. For more information about how graduates of non-Indian / non-MCI approved medical schools, visit the MCI website.

Medical Council of India (http://www.mciindia.org/)

Jakeislove

02-23-2008, 03:09 PM

Degree: MD conferred by AUA.

KMCIC is not an Indian medical program. It is a US-modeled medical program in which our students complete the requirements for US licensure. For more information about how graduates of non-Indian / non-MCI approved medical schools, visit the MCI website.

Medical Council of India (http://www.mciindia.org/)
Don't graduates get two degrees?

grobble

02-23-2008, 04:30 PM

AUA/KMCIC is now in the process of applying for CA licensure. The first step is completing California Medical Board's (CMB) 'Self Assessment Report' and submitting it with supporting documentation to CMB.

Clarification please, is this application for CA licensure just for the AUA/KMCIC program grads or is it for AUA grads also?

coolaid

02-23-2008, 05:04 PM

If you are an indian citizen you can't go to KMCIC. You have to have a citizenship of a country other than India for example USA or Canada. It is for NRI's basically

Not true!
Your citizenship has no bearing at KMCIC, as long you pay the stipulated fees.
Most students at KMCIC are non-US passport holders.Some are permanent residents.Majority have Indian passports and US resident cards.

Pls check your facts before you post.

mannr

02-24-2008, 12:12 AM

Not true!
Your citizenship has no bearing at KMCIC, as long you pay the stipulated fees.
Most students at KMCIC are non-US passport holders.Some are permanent residents.Majority have Indian passports and US resident cards.

Pls check your facts before you post.
sorry thats what i meant, its basically for NRI's

coolaid

02-24-2008, 04:05 AM

sorry thats what i meant, its basically for NRI's

Incorrect, you can be a Indian resident or Indian citizen, you can still be a KMCIC student.

Tipton

02-24-2008, 01:26 PM

[/b]Incorrect, you can be a Indian resident or Indian citizen, you can still be a KMCIC student.

Only if that status is in combination with other citizenship: US, Canadian...etc. KMCIC is NOT for students whose ONLY citizenship is India.

coolaid

03-01-2008, 11:50 AM

Only if that status is in combination with other citizenship: US, Canadian...etc. KMCIC is NOT for students whose ONLY citizenship is India.

No.
You cannot have Indian citizenship concurrently with another nation's citizenship.India still does not have the dual nationality program ,even though its been in the offing for over a decade now.

You can be and there are students at KMCIC with ONLY Indian citizenship, BUT they hold permanent resident status in the US or Canada. Permamnent resident status is not citizenship, but just a permit to stay and work in the US or in Canada.

Sree Cheruku

03-01-2008, 03:09 PM

BUT they hold permanent resident status in the US or Canada

Yeah, that's it.

zsather

03-02-2008, 10:28 PM

I had a couple of questions for students who are going thru the twinning program"

1. Are there a lot of american/canadian raised kids who go there?
2. What is the best hostel to live in or can you live somewhere else?
3. If you're coming from the US what items should you bring with you (from electronics to foods)
4. Do most students go back home for vacation, such as going back to the US, Canada, or wherever?
5. Is it worth getting a roomate?

I just got accepeted into the twinning program and I'm coming right out of high school so I just wanted to know someones answers and experiences.
Thanks.

vnukala

03-03-2008, 10:02 AM

No.
You cannot have Indian citizenship concurrently with another nation's citizenship.India still does not have the dual nationality program ,even though its been in the offing for over a decade now.

You can be and there are students at KMCIC with ONLY Indian citizenship, BUT they hold permanent resident status in the US or Canada. Permamnent resident status is not citizenship, but just a permit to stay and work in the US or in Canada.

This is totally false, because I have dual citizen from USA and India. You get an additional passport which is blue, and says Non-Resident Indian Citizen on the front of it, and comes with a life long visa to enter the country, and stay as long as you want with out registering with the government as you would have to do if you were not an Indian Citizen.

coolaid

03-03-2008, 01:28 PM

This is totally false, because I have dual citizen from USA and India. You get an additional passport which is blue, and says Non-Resident Indian Citizen on the front of it, and comes with a life long visa to enter the country, and stay as long as you want with out registering with the government as you would have to do if you were not an Indian Citizen.

LOL, you are still not a Indian citizen, you still need a visa[even though its life long as you point out in your post]...what you have is the PIO or person of Indian origin card or a OCI card.

India does not have DUAL NATIONALITY, period. And you cannot vote either.

Here is the link
Dual Nationality, OCI - U.S. Embassy New Delhi, India (http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/acsdualnation.html)

Dude at least read your visa booklet a trifle better:D
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/14/OCI_JK.jpg/300px-OCI_JK.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OCI_JK.jpg)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_nationality_law&action=edit&section=9)] Overseas Citizenship of India

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/14/OCI_JK.jpg/300px-OCI_JK.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OCI_JK.jpg)
Front Cover of an OCI Registration Certificate

There now exists a provision for a new form of Indian nationality, the holders of which are to be known as Overseas Citizens of India. The Constitution of India does not permit dual citizenship or dual nationality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship), except for minors where the second nationality was involuntarily acquired. Indian authorities have interpreted the law to mean a person can't have a second country's passport simultaneously with an Indian one — even in the case of a child who is claimed by another country as a citizen of that country, and who may be required by the laws of the other country to use one of its passports for foreign travel (e.g., a child born in the United States to Indian parents) — and the Indian courts have given the executive branch wide discretion over this matter. Therefore, Overseas Citizenship of India is not a full citizenship of India and thus, does not amount to dual citizenship or dual nationality.
The Central Government may, on application, register any person as an Overseas Citizen of India if that Person is of Indian Origin and is from a country which allows dual citizenship in some form or the other. Broadly speaking, a "Person of Indian Origin" is a citizen of another country who:

was a citizen of India on 26 January (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_26) 1950 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950) or at any time thereafter; or
was eligible to become a citizen of India on 26 January (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_26) 1950 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950); or
belonged to a territory that became part of India after the 15th day of August, 1947; or
is the child or grandchild of a person described above; and
has never been a citizen of Pakistan or Bangladesh.Note that children of Indian parents do not automatically fulfill these requirements, and are therefore not automatically eligible for OCI.
Indian Missions are authorized to grant applications for Overseas citizenship of India within 15 days to cases where there is no involvement in serious offences like drug trafficking, moral turpitude, terrorist activities or anything leading to imprisonment of more than a year.
The introduction of Overseas Indian Citizenship does not entitle people who have acquired, or are planning to acquire, foreign nationality, to retain their Indian passports. The law continues to require that Indian citizens who take foreign nationality must immediately surrender their Indian passports. Those who are eligible can then apply for registration as Overseas Indian Citizens.
There is no plan to issue Indian passports to Overseas Citizens of India, although the registration certificate will be in the form of a passport-like booklet (similar to the #Person of Indian Origin (PIO) Card (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_nationality_law#Person_of_Indian_Origin_.28 PIO.29_Card) mentioned below). The Cabinet has also directed the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs to work on a proposal to give biometric smart cards to registered Overseas Citizens of India.
An Overseas Citizen of India will enjoy all rights and privileges available to Non-Resident Indians excluding the right to invest in agriculture and plantation properties. There is no visa requirement for travel to India. The person has to carry his existing foreign passport along with Registration Certificate. Alternatively, the Overseas Citizen of India can apply for a new type of visa called ‘U’ visa which is a multi-purpose, multiple-entry, life-long visa for those that wish to acquire it. It will entitle the Overseas Citizen of India to visit the country at any time for any length of time and for any purpose.
An Overseas Citizen of India will not enjoy the following rights even if resident in India: (i) the right to vote, (ii) the right to hold the offices of President, Vice-President, Judge of Supreme Court and High Court, Member of Lok sabha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lok_sabha), Rajya Sabha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajya_Sabha), Legislative Assembly or Council, (iii) appointment to Public Services (Government Service). Also Overseas Citizens of India are not eligible for an inner line (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inner_line&action=edit&redlink=1) permit, they have to apply for a Protected area permit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_area_permit) if they want to visit certain areas in India.
An interesting question is whether a person registered as an Overseas Citizen of India will lose the right of diplomatic protection by their home country while in India. Article 4 of the Hague Convention on Certain Questions relating to the Conflict of Nationality Laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hague_Convention_on_Certain_Questi ons_relating_to_the_Conflict_of_Nationality_Laws&action=edit&redlink=1) of 1930 provides that "a State may not afford diplomatic protection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_protection) to one of its nationals against a state whose nationality such person also possesses". The case depends on two things: first, does the Indian government itself recognize Overseas Citizenship of India as a true citizenship and on that basis refuse the right of diplomatic protection by the other country; and second, does the person's home country recognize it and accept India's refusal. Both points are doubtful. India does not give Overseas Citizens an independent travel document but instead puts a visa in the other country's passport. If a person is eligible to have only another country's passport but not any form of Indian travel document, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that the person is a sole citizen of the other country for the purposes of diplomatic protection.
Acquiring Overseas citizenship of India prevents British nationals from registering as full British citizens under Section 4B of the British Nationality Act of 1981 (which requires that nationals have no other citizenship in order to register.) It does not prevent them from acquiring full British citizenship by a different method and it does not revoke their British citizenship if they have already registered under Section 4B. [1] (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199900/ldhansrd/pdvn/lds05/text/50706w02.htm)[2] (http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/8/prweb270791.htm)
The Government of India's Public Information Bureau issued a press release which explains the Scheme for Overseas citizenship of India (http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=9929) on 29 June (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_29) 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005).
Full details of the OCI scheme can be found on the Government of India, Ministry of Home Affairs Web Page: (external link) http://mha.nic.in/oci/oci-main.htm (http://mha.nic.in/oci/oci-main.htm)
A number of other articles have been written including:

Fool's Gold (http://www.littleindia.com/december2004/FoolsGold.htm) published December 2004 in Little India
Dual Citizenship or Dupli City? (http://www.indiacause.com/columns/OL_050130.htm) by Narayanan Komerath, published 28 January (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_28) 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005)
Read the Small Print on Indian Overseas Citizenship Offer, Warns British Immigration NGO (http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/8/prweb270791.htm) by Joint Council for Welfare of Immigrants, released 10 August (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_10) 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005)
Overseas citizenship of India/Dual Nationality - US Embassy, New Delhi (http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/acsdualnation.html)[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_nationality_law&action=edit&section=10)] Person of Indian Origin (PIO) Card

Any person currently holding a non-Indian passport, who can prove their Indian origin up to three generations before (or is the spouse of a citizen of India or person of Indian origin), is eligible for a Person of Indian Origin card (http://www.mha.nic.in/pioscheme.htm). Citizens of Pakistan, Bangladesh and other countries as may be specified by the Central Government are not eligible for grant of PIO Cards.
PIO cards give the holder the following benefits: (a) visa-free entry into India for fifteen years, (b) exemption from registration at a Foreigners' Regional Registration Office if the period of stay in India does not exceed 180 days (for stay of more than 180 days, the PIO card holder needs to register at a FRRO office), and (c) PIO card holders enjoy parity with Non-Resident Indians in economic, financial and educational fields.
A PIO Card is generally valid for a period of fifteen years from the date of issue.
PIO holders can acquire, hold, transfer or dispose of immovable properties in India (except agricultural/ plantation properties), open rupee bank accounts in India, lend in rupees to Indian residents, make investments in India etc.
PIO holders’ children can obtain admission in educational institutions in India in the general category quota for Non-Resident Indians, including Medical, Engineering colleges, IITs & IIMs.
PIO holders are eligible for various Housing schemes under Life Insurance Corporation of India (LIC) or Central/State Governments.
Possession of a PIO card will not entitle the holder to: (a) be eligible for the exercise of any political rights, (b) visit restricted/protected areas without permission, and (c) undertake mountaineering, research and missionary work without permission

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AND THIS IS THE REAL INDIAN PASSPORT!!!!

Tipton

03-03-2008, 02:03 PM

With OCI or PIO you DO NOT need a Visa. These act in lieu of a Visa.

But thanks for all the info...however it muddied the issue.:roll:

coolaid

03-03-2008, 02:12 PM

LOL, had to, the poster yelled 'FALSE', had to jump in to say nothing false was said. Would be obliged if you answer the Canada question, which is in the other post.

Tipton

03-03-2008, 03:18 PM

I would say that every incoming class to KMCIC is about 20%-25% Canadian so far. Is that the "Canadian question"?

coolaid

03-06-2008, 09:44 AM

I would say that every incoming class to KMCIC is about 20%-25% Canadian so far. Is that the "Canadian question"?

No. I was wondering if you know that KMCIC is accepted in Canada....KMC and AUA are accepted, but is the twinning concept accepted?

Tipton

03-07-2008, 09:29 AM

coolaid

03-10-2008, 10:04 AM

AUA/KMCIC meets the Medical Council of Canada's educational standard for non-Canadian medical schools: WHO and/or IMED listing.

What the process is of actually returning to Canada after attending AUA/KMCIC and getting an MD...you would be well served to look at the Clinical/Residency forums here to see how Canadians pass MCC Qualifying Exams 1 & 2 along with USMLE Steps 1 & 2. And of course look at MCC's website just to get a little bit of knowledge of how Canadians come back to practice after seeking education in non-Canadian schools. Also might be useful to look at various provincial websites because some offer programs to encourage non-Canadian educated doctors to come and practice.

Thanks.

I am a little confused about KMCIC's IMED listing though. Pls click on the link below:
IMED - FAIMER International Medical Education Directory - Search Results (http://imed.ecfmg.org/results.asp?country=130&school=&currpage=1&cname=ANTIGUA+AND+BARBUDA&city=&region=CA&rname=Central+America%2FCaribbean&psize=25)

It will take you to the IMED web site listing for AUA, which is fine.

Then if you click the this link below it takes you to the KMC listing on IMED:
IMED - FAIMER International Medical Education Directory - Search Results (http://imed.ecfmg.org/results.asp?country=495&school=&currpage=1&cname=INDIA&city=manipal&region=AS&rname=Asia&psize=25)

So where is KMCIC's listing, that one needs for Canada?
Its clear that if one goes go to KMC or AUA, she can practice, at least theoreticaly in Canada.
But is there any information on KMCIC's IMED listing that one requires for Canada?

I understand that going to KMCIC, one gets a diploma from AUA, but would the Canadian Medical Board object to this arrangement? Specifically if one went to school in India, but got her diploma from a Carribean school?

Tipton

03-10-2008, 10:39 AM

KMCIC students are promoted to 5th Semester just like AUA students.

I can see how the IMED listing is a little confusing. The easiest way to think of it is KMCIC is simply a branch campus of AUA (which it is) in Manipal, India.

As to MCC's 'acceptance' of this arrangement...I have no background/experience to have an opinion. MCC lists their criteria of accepting non-Canadian medical school education on their website. The only other way to judge that I can think of would be to find someone who has actually applied for licensure in Canada as an IMG and see what their process was like.

BTW - this discussion might be more useful over the phone: 866-562-7708. Feel free to post the results of our conversation here if you like.

twilighttrinity

03-31-2008, 06:13 PM

Tipton

04-01-2008, 08:14 AM

I am from Canada and I have applied to KMCIC and I had a few questions
1. Is there discrimination between boys and girls?
2. I believe the boys dorm has no curfew but the girls have to be back by 12?
3. Is the teaching/studying much different from how it is in Canada/USA?
4. Are there any feminist clubs/organizations on the campus?
5. What is the semester system? Does it go from July to Jan and then Jan to May?
6. Does anyone know the status on the CA liscensure?
7. Is it difficult to adjust when you go there, due to language/culture stuff?
Thanks

Not sure what you mean by discrimination between boys and girls.

All students have curfews in Manipal Univ Hostels.

Since KMCIC faculty come from KMC and other Indian universities I would expect their instruction to be quite different from US/Canadian professors. In particular thier expectations for student behavior: no nonsense.

KMCIC Semesters run mid-Jan through mid-June and mid-July through mid-December.

There are many student organizations in Manipal: sports, cultural, social, political...etc. Not sure if any of them would be feminist.

AUA/KMCIC has submitted the "Self-Assessment Report" to the CA Medical Board. Now we're simply waiting to hear back from them what they require next.

I'll leave it to students to clarify how they found adjusting to Manipal. But I haven't heard any complaints.

twilighttrinity

04-06-2008, 10:24 PM

Is AUA's Twinning Program WHO accredited?

twilighttrinity

04-06-2008, 10:42 PM

Also,
Has the first class graduating from India given their USMLE Step 1 yet? And if they have, what were their results?
Thanks

asm64x

04-21-2008, 11:36 AM

I'm in the same boat as you. Also, I would like to know what is the student/teacher ration. Lastly, does anyone have pictures of how the "dorms" look like? That would be very appreciated. Thank you all so much for your generous support. :D

I had a couple of questions for students who are going thru the twinning program"

1. Are there a lot of american/canadian raised kids who go there?
2. What is the best hostel to live in or can you live somewhere else?
3. If you're coming from the US what items should you bring with you (from electronics to foods)
4. Do most students go back home for vacation, such as going back to the US, Canada, or wherever?
5. Is it worth getting a roomate?

I just got accepeted into the twinning program and I'm coming right out of high school so I just wanted to know someones answers and experiences.
Thanks.
:lolup:

Tipton

04-21-2008, 12:40 PM

Is AUA's Twinning Program WHO accredited?

Accredited is the wrong word. You mean listed in WHO's World Directory of Medical Schools. Listed. Yes. There's no such thing as WHO accreditation.

Tipton

04-21-2008, 12:42 PM

I'm in the same boat as you. Also, I would like to know what is the student/teacher ration. Lastly, does anyone have pictures of how the "dorms" look like?

Manipal University's hostels are very nice. Some of our current KMCIC students have placed hostel pictures in Facebook. Just search for KMCIC.

Student teacher ratio? Not sure exactly. I'd say we're still at about 10:1.

Neenapatel56

04-24-2008, 03:54 PM

:pIt is nice to see all of you posting so many inquiries.

Relax! Manipal though hot humid have good acomodation & nice food courts and if you enjoy good food there is plenty around; you will get all kinds of food with an indian version to it. You can hang out in a club on weekend if you are done with your studies. You will have all American Indian classmates so they are your own peer group who will relate to you 100%.

If by any chance someone does say " you Americans "" ; it is their way of saying you are from America. Did not we choose to come to States? So take those remarks in your stride. As in universities here you may like some teachers you may not. But they know what they are doing. And you can go & talk to your teachers if you have any difficulty but YOU HAVE TO STUDY hard.

By far studying at KMCIC will be a far rewarding and valuable experience of your lives.
All the best to you all.

Tipton

04-25-2008, 07:31 AM

Thank you for posting this Neenapatel56!

roopa87

04-28-2008, 11:10 AM

Hey I'm starting this july....in manipal...aua-kmcic twinning program....

asm64x

04-28-2008, 12:08 PM

Me too.

:D

medicine2k6

05-16-2008, 06:17 PM

If you are a KMCIC student and until you come to 5th semester in Miami you become an AUA student THEN why cannot a KMCIC student take out federal stafford loans since KMC is approved for them?????

In these times of financial crisis....this should be allowed but why does AUA stop this!!!!

eagerness

05-29-2008, 01:22 AM

I need a lot of help too

I am a Canadian Grade 12 student at present.

I was wondering if someone could please help me with some of my questions regarding KMC.

First of all, I was talking to one of their people on phone yesterday and he kind of confused me.
Could you please tell me that after completing the BSc health sciences program that they are offering, and the guy said that after completing 4 years in India and then 2 years in US, I can work as a Doctor in US? Is it true that the Health scienes degree is equivalent to the MD Degree?

Thanks a lot
eagerness

GodzillaBorland

05-29-2008, 10:19 PM

the premed though is a waste of time. they learn basic algebra, what is a simile, and how to eat healthy. Those premeds are bored out of their minds! Out of the 2 yrs of premed, the 2nd yr 2nd sem is the only one that prepares you somewhat for the rigorous curriculum.

Personally, I'd recommend that you take premed courses back home and come here for Basic sciences. Or atleast, take the classes that are taught the first 3 semesters of basic sciences and join here for the rest. But thats just me...

I thought the Premeds (Pre-Bsc) are only for 1 year followed by BSC Health Sciences. Is this a different classification - 2 years of premed and 2 years of Basic sciences?

asm64x

05-30-2008, 02:30 AM

Heres is the clarification: Your Pre-BSC year (1st year) and 1st BSC-year (2nd year) are the undergraduate components (=2 years), and two years in BSC (I like to call this graduate school), then clinicals in the states.

Tipton

05-30-2008, 07:40 AM

Yes. The Med School semesters are BSc 3 - BSc 6. Premed are Pre-BSc 1, 2 and BSc 1, 2.

Asclepios22

06-04-2008, 08:21 AM

American University of Antigua College of Medicine is affiliated with Manipal University/Kasturba Medical College International Center (KMCIC), India. The students have the options of enrolling at either the Basic Science campus in Antigua or at the KMCIC Basic Science Campus in Manipal.

Students have the opportunity to complete their clinical Sciences at United States teaching hospitals.

Manipal University/Kasturba Medical College International Center consistently ranks among the top five medical schools in India, and is the third largest in the country. Students from over 40 nations attend KMCIC, and their degrees are recognized world-wide.

There is still time left to apply for the Fall 2008 class!
American University of Antigua College of Medicine has organized seminars regarding the course structure and the whole gamut of medical studies.
For information visit auamed.org/openhouse/index

joyw

06-04-2008, 08:23 AM

that wasn't much of an info, we already know that.

Tipton

06-04-2008, 08:25 AM

That copy is wrong actually. It's not an "opportunity" to do rotations in the US. It's a guarantee for our students.

If that came via email could you forward it to me at tcarlson@auamed.org ? Thanks.

GodzillaBorland

06-05-2008, 07:59 AM

I heard AUA has 150+ students - are there enough spots for clinical rotations?

There is still time left to apply for the Fall 2008 class!
American University of Antigua College of Medicine has organized seminars regarding the course structure and the whole gamut of medical studies.
For information visit auamed.org/openhouse/index

asm64x

06-09-2008, 12:00 PM

Clinical Rotations are guaranteed. Its not only one teaching hospital that is taking care of this. You can visit the University of Antigua website for more choices. Hope this helps.

asm64x

06-09-2008, 12:23 PM

=) Never mind.

asm64x

06-10-2008, 01:28 PM

I wanted to know what is the student-faculty ratio I will be expecting in my first year at Manipal, specifically my 1st semester in the Pre-BSc program. Thanks. =)

Asclepios22

06-11-2008, 08:46 AM

Clinical Rotations are guaranteed. Its not only one teaching hospital that is taking care of this. You can visit the University of Antigua website for more choices. Hope this helps.

totally agree...

and the student to faculty ratio is 12:1...

I suggest visit the websites of Antigua College and also KMCIC

violent

06-13-2008, 09:49 AM

Does anyone know about the fee structure for the final 2 years in the U.S?

zamdoc

06-19-2008, 01:25 PM

i wanted more information on how everyone is paying for the schooling in india, from what i've heard right now is that there are no more funds available through the loan service they normally recommend for the students and though they said they may get more next week i do not wish to depend on a maybe. what other options are there for foreign medical students seeking loans?

morpheusreloaded

06-20-2008, 06:57 AM

Well, following in my brother's footsteps, I too have decided to join the Kasturba Medical College International Center (KMCIC) in the Fall '08 batch... Can't wait to get on board...
Morpheus!

medicine2k6

06-22-2008, 12:49 AM

Actually Id like to know that as well, how are new students paying for KMCIC? Ed-Invest? Which loan company?

californiabliss

07-15-2008, 02:52 PM

hey guys,

So what is the oldest student out there? I would imagine that a lot of students go there right out of high school, so they are probably way younger. Is 24 way too old?
:shock:

Tipton

07-15-2008, 03:04 PM

Plenty of students with Bachelor's and higher at KMCIC. Oldest student I met in Manipal was 30 or so.

californiabliss

07-15-2008, 03:11 PM

Plenty of students with Bachelor's and higher at KMCIC. Oldest student I met in Manipal was 30 or so.

mr. tipton,
I tried sending you a PM, but it didnt work. Is there a way I can call you? Or you call me? so I could ask you more questions...

thanks..

Tipton

07-15-2008, 03:35 PM

My toll free #: 866-562-7708. Direct local # in NYC: 646-834-9166.

amu12345

08-04-2008, 08:09 PM

Hey Guyz...which hostel block is better....is New Non-AC okay....because they seem a little cheaper than the other and also single person stay...

amu12345

08-04-2008, 08:16 PM

asm64x

08-04-2008, 08:38 PM

I would like the contact information of the students doing their clinicals in Baltimore as well. Thank you.

Tipton

08-05-2008, 08:28 AM

To contact current students/recent alumni, the best thing to do would be to email Mr. Gelles who is in contact with current students fom our NY office here. His email is:

bgelles@auamed.org

Tipton

08-05-2008, 08:34 AM

Hello Mr. Tipton

I spoke to last week about our admission process, the information that you have provided was extermely valueable for me and my parents to take a decision. Thank you so much for all your help.

Is there any way to contact the students who are in baltimore doing there clinical, it would be nice to know their experience and such

for the recommedation letters, my high school math and science teacher would me with the letters and would you need a professional letter also from my past employer

for the personal statement, what are the required for that..font size, double spaced and any other specification

How are the hostels and what is estimated price for a single occupancy

please help me in these regards

I have a lot of general info that we send out to accepted students. A rough estimate of a Single Hostels room and Utilities charges for a year is $3,000-$4,000.

Keep the eprsonal statement simple: 11 font, 1.5 spacing, no more than 2 pages. Short and sweet.

The letters you mention are fine. The sooner you contact your teachers the better. Letters are usually the slowest component of any application file.

asm64x

08-05-2008, 10:17 AM

Thank you Mr. Carlson. =)

amu12345

08-05-2008, 03:43 PM

Thank you very much Mr. Tipton for all the info

Does the recommendation letters have to made from the high school address made on a high school letter head or can i personally post the reference letter to your office but still made on high school letterhead . I am just worried because, my teachers might not be willing to post it by themselves and might even forget to send it out.

Thank you

Tipton

08-05-2008, 03:47 PM

If they write the letter on school letterhead and hand it to you in a sealed envelope you can include this with your application. I will consider this an official letter.

amu12345

08-07-2008, 12:54 PM

Hello Mr. Tipton

I am applying for Ontario Student Assistance program and since KMCIC is an international medical College. I have to first fill out a application for the institution and program approval form. I need information about the when college started,number of students graduating etc. So, would you prefer if I mail you all the information needed or a phone call to your office or directly contact KMCIC in Manipal.

Thank you very much

Tipton

08-07-2008, 01:04 PM

Fax me the form so I can see shat they are requesting: 973-498-7707

amu12345

08-07-2008, 02:01 PM

I don't have a fax machine avaliable today, so i will fax you the form tomorrow morning to the number you have provided and attention to you.

sonnyC

08-08-2008, 11:01 PM

Hi !! I was just wondering how long does it take, from the time you apply, to get an interview and also if the interview goes well, how long does it take to get an acceptance?

amu12345

08-09-2008, 12:28 PM

is anybody applying from Ontario, Canada . I am from Toronto ...

Tipton

08-09-2008, 09:51 PM

Hi !! I was just wondering how long does it take, from the time you apply, to get an interview and also if the interview goes well, how long does it take to get an acceptance?

No inteview process yet for KMCIC application. File is scanned/sent fron NY office directly to the Admissions Committee in Manipal.

I expect them to begin rendering decisions on 2009 application no sooner than mi-September 2008.

pythagoras

08-11-2008, 11:01 PM

Please let me know the deadlines for the twinning program for 2009 admissions. Thanks

Tipton

08-12-2008, 08:05 AM

KMCIC has "rolling" admissions just like AUA. I suggest sending in your application and supporting docs within about a month or so.

amu12345

08-14-2008, 06:01 PM

Hello Mr.carlson

i hope you receive the fax regarding the OSAP application

Tipton

08-14-2008, 06:14 PM

I did. But please don't use your real name here. Go in and edit it out.

amu12345

08-14-2008, 08:27 PM

Thank you Mr. Carlson :)

civicmd

08-15-2008, 10:50 PM

I am interested in the twinning program in Manipal, but even after reading all the posts i have several questions.
1. What is the curriculum like for basic sciences?
2. What would an average daily schedule of classes entail?
3. What is considered passing for each class?
I appreciate all your inputs
thanks

indianmd

08-17-2008, 12:40 PM

Mr. Carlson, this one is for you to answer ...

Is KMCIC still working on getting california approval ?? how long do you think it'll take them to get that approval??

In what other states AUA/KMCIC students won't be able to practice ?

Thanks for help.

amu12345

08-17-2008, 01:16 PM

Hey civicmed

I have requested for a AUA viewbook and it details the Basic program cirriculum.

This is as follows:

Semester 1
Gross anatomy/embryology 9 credits
Histology/cell biology 5 credits
doctor, patients and society 3 credits

Semester 2
neuroscience 6 credits
medical physiology 6 credits
medical biochemistry 6 credits
medical genetic 4 credits

Semester 3
Behavioral science 6 credits
microbiology 7 credits
immunology 3 credits
general pathlogy 6 credits

Semester 4
Introduction to clinical medcine 8 credits
pharmacology 6 credits
systemic pathlogy 8 credit

For the other few questions mr.Carlson, would provide you with the best answer.
hope this helps
good luck

amu12345

08-17-2008, 04:41 PM

Hello Mr.Carlson

Are kMCIC students also eligible for scholarships and grants that are mentioned in the AUA website under AUA scholarships section or is it only for AUA students?

Thank you

Harjot.Mundi

08-19-2008, 10:37 PM

I am from Canada and im just looking for the basic requirments to get into the KMCIC twinning program? i would like to be here by jan 09

Tipton

08-20-2008, 07:51 AM

I am from Canada and im just looking for the basic requirments to get into the KMCIC twinning program? i would like to be here by jan 09

Are you applying after completing an undergraduate program or directly out of high school?

amu12345

08-20-2008, 10:35 AM

Hello Mr. Carlson

Would you have any KMCIC's Institution's calender, catalogue and or any other published information that supports the information entered on the OSAP application, so that i can include these documents when i submit the OSAP application.

I also require some more additional help in order to completely fill the OSAP application in order for me to receive ontario student funding

Please help in this regard

indianmd

08-20-2008, 12:10 PM

Tipton

08-20-2008, 06:59 PM

I apologize but this issue has been address quite exhaustively by myself and others in this forum.

DOCplucinski

08-20-2008, 07:07 PM

honestly...use the search button, it's not that hard.

indianmd

08-21-2008, 12:56 AM

I apologize but this issue has been address quite exhaustively by myself and others in this forum. To clarify: all info specific to AUA as far as CA approval and licensure applies to KMCIC.

Thank you. I went back and read through the whole forum. It helped. Although, I realized that you said the approval procedure is in process. Is there, by any chance, an estimated time line when this approval would be granted?
My second question relates to the Federal Stafford loans. I looked over this forum, some other ppl asked this question but it was never answered.
if you can please give your insight on whether KMCIC is approved for the fed stafford loan or not?

Thank you once again for your patience in answering our questions and revealing stress for lots of us.

Tipton

08-21-2008, 08:44 AM

Thank you. I went back and read through the whole forum. It helped. Although, I realized that you said the approval procedure is in process. Is there, by any chance, an estimated time line when this approval would be granted?
My second question relates to the Federal Stafford loans. I looked over this forum, some other ppl asked this question but it was never answered.
if you can please give your insight on whether KMCIC is approved for the fed stafford loan or not?

Thank you once again for your patience in answering our questions and revealing stress for lots of us.

Estimated time line for CMB approval? - None. It's up to them to decide when and/or if approval takes place.

Federal Loans for AUA/KMCIC? - No.

My inability to elaborate has nothing to do with the question(s). However the Sept 2008 class is beginning in a few weeks. The NY office needs as much time as I can give to help them with the # of students who need help.

azskeptic

08-21-2008, 12:59 PM

You sure KMCIC applies? All I've read (this site perhaps?) is that AUA applied for approval, not the twinning program. I would suggest students check directly with California to confirm that part and perhaps one of them could post it here.

Estimated time line for CMB approval? - None. It's up to them to decide when and/or if approval takes place.

Federal Loans for AUA/KMCIC? - No.

My inability to elaborate has nothing to do with the question(s). However the Sept 2008 class is beginning in a few weeks. The NY office needs as much time as I can give to help them with the # of students who need help.

Tipton

08-21-2008, 01:21 PM

You sure KMCIC applies? All I've read (this site perhaps?) is that AUA applied for approval, not the twinning program. I would suggest students check directly with California to confirm that part and perhaps one of them could post it here.

Yes please do...then we can greet Ms. Park again when she comes and visits like she did a few months ago:roll:.

AUA is the MD-degree-conferring entity.

azskeptic

08-21-2008, 01:29 PM

I see California's list of approved schools

Welcome to the Medical Board of California - Medical Schools Recognized by the Medical Board of California (http://www.medbd.ca.gov/applicant/schools_recognized.html#k)

Don't see the Indian school there. If any part of the education came from it, even if you are twinned, does California accept that? Perhaps someone will greet Ms. park and ask her and report to the group?

Yes please do...then we can greet Ms. Park again when she comes and visits like she did a few months ago:roll:.

AUA is the MD-degree-conferring entity.

Tipton

08-21-2008, 02:12 PM

I see California's list of approved schools...Don't see the Indian school there.

I'm sorry...but what rock have you been hiding under:confused:?

Or as the ever-eloquent Buffy the Vampire Slayer said, "Does the word 'duh' mean anything to you?"

azskeptic

08-21-2008, 02:15 PM

Yes, that is the correct response...duh, I don't see the twinning program on the list. Why didn't I think of that before(Homer Simpson smack to the top of my head) (GRIN)

I'm sorry...but what rock have you been hiding under:confused:?

Or as the ever-eloquent Buffy the Vampire Slayer said, "Does the word 'duh' mean anything to you?"

amu12345

08-21-2008, 07:35 PM

Hello

does anyone know if the clinical rotations that we do in united states are ACGME certified?

Thank you

amu12345

08-26-2008, 07:03 PM

Hello Mr. Carlson

I have requested 3 letters of recommendation from my teacher, I have collected 2 already and made it part of my application and i will post out the other when i receive, made the check in favour of MEMG international and i think i am ready to post it out. is it too early or it doesn't matter. please let me know. And my school office said that they will not send the transcript directly to your office because of the chance of losing it . So they said they will post it to my address and i should send it to you myself. is that fine

Thank you very much for all help with my application process and i hope to be a future student at KMCIC.

Tipton

08-27-2008, 08:48 PM

indianmd

08-28-2008, 09:13 AM

Yes, that is the correct response...duh, I don't see the twinning program on the list. Why didn't I think of that before(Homer Simpson smack to the top of my head) (GRIN)

I talked to cali medical board yesterday, and I was told that the documents were submitted for the review for AUA but not for the twinning program. She said that if the school wants the board to review their twinning program, they must submit the paperwork.
Mr. Carlson, Can you look into this please? thanks.

Tipton

08-28-2008, 12:56 PM

Please read again what I have already written regarding this issue. A clue: KMCIC is not/will not be an MD degree granting institution.

azskeptic

08-28-2008, 01:00 PM

So you are asking California to accept KMCIC's 'bachelor degree level' transfer credits for the Medical school review they will be doing on AUA?

Please read again what I have already written regarding this issue. A clue: KMCIC is not/will not be an MD degree granting institution.

Tipton

08-28-2008, 07:39 PM

So you are asking California to accept KMCIC's 'bachelor degree level' transfer credits for the Medical school review they will be doing on AUA?

I don't think a school "asks California" to do any such thing in the approval process. But I'm the wrong source for this information.

Tipton

08-28-2008, 08:02 PM

As I have written previously: AUA / KMCIC has the correct people working on the CA approval process. We are working on it.

amu12345

09-02-2008, 08:34 PM

Hello Mr. Carlson

My parents are hearing a lot of things about KMC manipal closed or the Medical council of india deaccrediated the university.....said my many newspapers in india. Does this mean anything to KMCIC...international students...should it be a problem for us...please kindly let me since it is kinda hard to convince parents.

Tipton

09-03-2008, 09:33 AM

Have your parents give me a call: 866-562-7708 or 646-834-9167. I've seen the articles as well.

Long story short: no affect on KMCIC students.

Tipton

09-03-2008, 09:41 AM

asm64x

09-04-2008, 01:33 AM

What will happen if KMCIC is officially derecognized? Is there a Plan B for current KMCIC students? Help would be very much appreciated. IBNLive : Two of the Manipal colleges to be derecognised (http://www.ibnlive.com/printpage.php?id=72604&section_id=3) Two of the Manipal colleges to be derecognised Meetu Jain CNN-IBN MONEY MINDED? :The number of students using facilities meant for 250 students is well over 650. Manipal: The centre has taken the unprecedented step of derecognising two medical colleges run by the prestigious Manipal Group. The University is in trouble, the Union Health ministry has derecognised its medical colleges at Manipal and Mangalore from 2008 onwards because of falling education standards. "There were adverse reports from a central team that visited manipal,'' says Health secretary, Naresh Dayal The charges raised against Manipal University are nothing short of a scam. Each of the colleges are allowed to admit only 250 students annually. In reality the colleges have been admitting an additional 250 students who get their degrees from the Melacca medical college in Malaysia. That apart, an unspecified number are admitted from a medical college in Antigua, West Indies. There is even a dental college running without permission. In all, the estimates are that the number of students using facilities meant for 250 students is well over 650. The centre says the colleges can have their recognition back if they make amends. This will cause concern to the MBBS students already admitted. "The recognition is not with retrospective effect. We don’t want to dilute the standard of education,” adds Naresh Dayal Manipal may be considered one of the better medical colleges in the country but the fact is even as the Government looks the other way, India has one of the maximum number of medical colleges in the world. Somehow, this article implies that KMCIC falls under the hands of KMC. Is there any clarification for this?

indianmd

09-04-2008, 02:04 AM

Have your parents give me a call

Long story short: no affect on KMCIC students.

With all the due respect, Mr. Carlson,

what's this "big" secret ??? there has been so much confusion over this derecognization stuff!! Why can't this "Long Story" be told in open?
Please elaborate on "no affect on KMCIC students" ?? It seems like something is missing in this picture!!

Tipton

09-04-2008, 11:52 AM

With all the due respect, Mr. Carlson,

what's this "big" secret ??? there has been so much confusion over this derecognization stuff!! Why can't this "Long Story" be told in open?
Please elaborate on "no affect on KMCIC students" ?? It seems like something is missing in this picture!!

"Secret"? What secret?

I have addressed this issue ad nauseam (on the phone, email and here as well). If you would like to ask me a specific question, I will be happy to address it.

Tipton

09-04-2008, 01:03 PM

I found a relatively easy way to cobble email responses together for your perusal / consumption:

MCI has a listing of MBBS programs in India on their website www.mciindia.org (http://www.mciindia.org/) . If you search (http://www.mciindia.org/apps/search/viewMBBS.asp) for MBBS schools in Karnataka you will find KMC, Manipal and KMC, Mangalore at the top of their list. Next to each school’s listing is this status: “Recognized When granted in or before the year 2008”. So the main claim of articles stating that KMC’s accreditation or “recognition” has been affected is clearly not true according to MCI’s own website.

The Medical Council of India (MCI) is an educational regulatory agency under the Indian Ministry of Health and Family Welfare. MCI previously “recommended” that the Ministry “derecognize” Kasturba Medical College (KMC) resulting from internal Indian political issues which has resulted in a short-term problem with ECFMG which was resolved by KMC officials. KMC is still admitting students. The Indian Ministry of Health and Family Welfare will not “derecognize” KMC: consistently one of India’s top 5 Medical Schools.

This is an old issue: from 2005 or prior. EvenifIndia’s Ministry of Health and Family Welfare decided to “derecognize” KMC (Manipal and Mangalore) it would have exactly zero affect on KMCIC students.

Once more for emphasis: zero affect on KMCIC students.

The main reason this is the case is KMCIC students are not in an MBBS program fulfilling Indian licensing requirements but rather a US-modeled MD program fulfilling US licensing requirements. KMCIC’s relationship with American University of Antigua College of Medicine (AUA) has not changed. They are in fact two campuses for the same US-modeled MD program: simply two locations where our students complete the academic component of medical school. Both cohorts of students (Antigua and India) return to the US for Clinical Rotations at our Affiliated Hospitals. Graduates are conferred an MD from AUA. None of this has changed nor will change no matter what MCI does or threatens to do.

BTW - my enthusiasm (or distinct lack thereof) in addressing this issue has absolutely nothing to do with who is asking. My endurance is simply challenged when taking calls, answering emails and writing responses here. So please ask if you are concerned with something. Just don't expect me to automatically be Mr. Happy duplicating my work. Cheers.

kmcic

09-05-2008, 02:37 AM

wow, these questions must be getting pretty monotonous, tipton. i'm a current kmcic student, so hopefully i can help you field some questions.

asm64x

09-05-2008, 03:03 AM

We were told that Manipal will be acquiring Antigua. What does this signify?
Below are some additional sources in regards to derecognition:
Two of the Manipal colleges to be derecognised (http://www.ibnlive.com/news/two-of--the-manipal-colleges-to-be-derecognised/72604-3.html?from=search#) video: Two of the Manipal colleges to be derecognised: IBNLive.com > Videos (http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/72604/two-of--the-manipal-colleges-to-be-derecognised.html) Two of the Manipal colleges to be derecognized - Talk n Cafe: For Sharp Minds. Global Indian. (http://www.talkncafe.com/India-News/Two-of-the-Manipal-colleges-to-be-derecognized.html) The Manipal Journal (http://www.themanipaljournal.com/News/N02901.html) http://www.valuemd.com/american-university-antigua-aua/161588-bad-news-manipal-what-does-mean-aua.html The Hindu : Karnataka News : KMC surprised over MCI derecognition (http://www.thehindu.com/2008/07/31/stories/2008073154660400.htm) Why Manipal University Medical Colleges are being derecognised | Admission Dates and Notifications (http://www.admissiondates.com/why-manipal-university-medical-colleges-are-being-derecognised.html) MBBS at Kasturba Medical Colleges in Manipal and Mangalore derecognised | Admission Dates and Notifications (http://www.admissiondates.com/mbbs-at-kasturba-medical-colleges-in-manipal-and-mangalore-derecognised.html) Why is MCI taking Antigua's name and Malaysia's Melaka College's into account in the above sources? Is it because KMCIC falls under KMC? Same question applies to Melaka Medical College. I just want to resolve some doubts. Thanks for addressing these concerns.

It appears that MCI has not updated their site in the past days. Derecognition of KMC was very recent.

Tipton

09-05-2008, 08:03 AM

wow, these questions must be getting pretty monotonous, tipton. i'm a current kmcic student, so hopefully i can help you field some questions.

Cool! Feel free.

Tipton

09-05-2008, 10:12 AM

It appears that MCI has not updated their site in the past days. Derecognition of KMC was very recent.

MCI is very good at updating their website very quickly if/when a decision is made by the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare. Other schools have recently had their status changed from recognized to derecognized. KMC2 status changed from "Recommended for Derecognition" to "Recognized When granted in or before the year 2008".

KMC has not been derecognized.

azskeptic

09-05-2008, 12:37 PM

So 2008 and on are not recognized by MCI currently. But that really isn't the issue anyway. KMCIC isn't on the list is it?

MCI is very good at updating their website very quickly if/when a decision is made by the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare. Other schools have recently had their status changed from recognized to derecognized. KMC2 status changed from "Recommended for Derecognition" to "Recognized When granted in or before the year 2008".

KMC has not been derecognized.

Tipton

09-05-2008, 01:52 PM

So 2008 and on are not recognized by MCI currently. But that really isn't the issue anyway. KMCIC isn't on the list is it?

Correct: KMCIC is not an MBBS program / Indian Medical School.

KMC is "recognized" by MCI / Ministry of Health and Family Welfare: if you notice on the list under "Annual Intake / Seats" KMC, Mangalore and KMC, Manipal are both listed as 250. If their recognition or accreditation had been affected the number would be 0. Look down the list for other schools whose accreditation has been affected.

DOCplucinski

09-05-2008, 02:05 PM

speaking of KMCIC i saw, what i think, was a lot of KMCIC students at the 5th semester orientation here in Miami. they were well dressed, i on the other hand wore shorts.

Tipton

09-05-2008, 02:37 PM

LOL...KMCIC has a dress code in Manipal (which is frankly CAKE compared to other programs' dress codes in Manipal). Might take them some time to adjust to being around AUA students.

CTSky

09-15-2008, 12:59 PM

I've read these messageboards and they just run around in circles. People firing at Mr. Tipton, and Mr. Tipton dodging the bullets. I decided to just speak directly to ECFMG regarding this matter, and I was informed directly by the Associate VP of Operations that there is a pending investigation regarding the validity of the KMCIC/AUA program. There was a modification to the ECFMG transfer credit rule after the investigation had been taken underway and ECFMG is well aware of the recognition/permission problems faced by KMC/KMCIC/AUA. You can twist the wording/interpret the following any which way you want, but ultimately this is a blatant attempt at a loophole. One such incident was shut down previously when St. Peters, NJ had a twinning program with St. Chris, UK. And if that can happen to a US institution, I'd be even more cautious with 2 IM programs.

I have highlighted what seem to be modifications in the policy, including the need for "attendance at the IMED listed medical school" where you are receiving credits. AUA can not say the credits at KMCIC are equal to that of AUA, because the student does not have attendance at AUA, they are from a non-IMED institution. They also can not transfer the credits because the program/school is not listed in IMED.

The investigation is still pending, and we will have to wait on the outcome. :confused:

Important Notice on New Restrictions for Transferred Credits

(posted August 3, 2007; updated July 31, 2008, August 1, 2008, August 26, 2008)

One of the medical education credential requirements for ECFMG Certification is that an international medical graduate must have had at least four credit years (academic years for which credit has been given toward completion of the medical curriculum) in attendance at a medical school that is listed in the International Medical Education Directory (IMED). A change to ECFMG’s medical education credentials policy restricts transfer credits that may be used to meet this requirement.
For the purpose of ECFMG Certification, credits earned on or after January 1, 2008 that are transferred to the medical school that awarded or will award an applicant's medical degree must meet all of the following criteria:

Credits must be transferred from one IMED-listed medical school to another IMED-listed medical school.
Credits must be for courses taken at one medical school within seven years of the date of graduation at the medical school that accepts the transferred courses.
Credits must be for courses that were passed at the medical school at which the course was taken.

All applicants who have transferred credits to the medical school that awarded or will award their medical degree must document these credits when they apply to ECFMG for examination, regardless of when the credits were earned. This documentation must be in the form of two photocopies of an official transcript issued by the school or institution at which the course was taken; failure to provide appropriate documentation of transfer credits will prevent exam registration. Further instructions will be provided at the time of application.
Applicants whose transferred credits do not comply with the policy outlined above will not meet the requirements to be registered by ECFMG for examination or the requirements for ECFMG Certification.
An international medical student/graduate whose transferred credits do not meet all the criteria listed above may request an exception from the ECFMG Medical Education Credentials Committee.

md12886

09-15-2008, 03:57 PM

so what about those students who are already doing there sem 1,2,3,4 in kmcic, those students who are in 5th sem, those who already have passed step 1 and are in clinicals? dont you have to register to ecfmg in order to take your step, I might be wrong with this info but any response would be appreciated! :)

Tipton

09-16-2008, 08:44 AM

I've read these messageboards and they just run around in circles. People firing at Mr. Tipton, and Mr. Tipton dodging the bullets. I decided to just speak directly to ECFMG regarding this matter, and I was informed directly by the Associate VP of Operations that there is a pending investigation regarding the validity of the KMCIC/AUA program. There was a modification to the ECFMG transfer credit rule after the investigation had been taken underway and ECFMG is well aware of the recognition/permission problems faced by KMC/KMCIC/AUA. You can twist the wording/interpret the following any which way you want, but ultimately this is a blatant attempt at a loophole. One such incident was shut down previously when St. Peters, NJ had a twinning program with St. Chris, UK. And if that can happen to a US institution, I'd be even more cautious with 2 IM programs.

I have highlighted what seem to be modifications in the policy, including the need for "attendance at the IMED listed medical school" where you are receiving credits. AUA can not say the credits at KMCIC are equal to that of AUA, because the student does not have attendance at AUA, they are from a non-IMED institution. They also can not transfer the credits because the program/school is not listed in IMED.

The investigation is still pending, and we will have to wait on the outcome. :confused:

Important Notice on New Restrictions for Transferred Credits

(posted August 3, 2007; updated July 31, 2008, August 1, 2008, August 26, 2008)

One of the medical education credential requirements for ECFMG Certification is that an international medical graduate must have had at least four credit years (academic years for which credit has been given toward completion of the medical curriculum) in attendance at a medical school that is listed in the International Medical Education Directory (IMED). A change to ECFMG’s medical education credentials policy restricts transfer credits that may be used to meet this requirement.
For the purpose of ECFMG Certification, credits earned on or after January 1, 2008 that are transferred to the medical school that awarded or will award an applicant's medical degree must meet all of the following criteria:

Credits must be transferred from one IMED-listed medical school to another IMED-listed medical school.
Credits must be for courses taken at one medical school within seven years of the date of graduation at the medical school that accepts the transferred courses.
Credits must be for courses that were passed at the medical school at which the course was taken.
All applicants who have transferred credits to the medical school that awarded or will award their medical degree must document these credits when they apply to ECFMG for examination, regardless of when the credits were earned. This documentation must be in the form of two photocopies of an official transcript issued by the school or institution at which the course was taken; failure to provide appropriate documentation of transfer credits will prevent exam registration. Further instructions will be provided at the time of application.
Applicants whose transferred credits do not comply with the policy outlined above will not meet the requirements to be registered by ECFMG for examination or the requirements for ECFMG Certification.
An international medical student/graduate whose transferred credits do not meet all the criteria listed above may request an exception from the ECFMG Medical Education Credentials Committee.

This is a well thought-out, lucid, provocative and entirely irrelevant post.

AUA and KMCIC are the same program: no transfer of credit is involved. I know even AUA/KMCIC use the word "transfer" when referring to the transition of KMCIC students back to the US for 5th Semester. But they are the same program.

CTSky

09-17-2008, 06:25 AM

I guess an inappropriate remark was what we have come to expect from the "school official" of KMCIC/AUA, so I am not surprised as to how one can call this as "entirely irrelevant" although ECFMG clearly finds it a priority hence the 2 month + long investigation regarding your institution.

Yes, we got it...program, program, and program.
Regardless of the "program" you still need to state your attendance at the location at which you completed your credits, and this should consist of an IMED listed facility. AUA is not in India, and KMCIC is not IMED listed.

The word "program" here is worth peanuts - throw it out of your dictionary.

The rest of the world will only see it as: loophole, loophole, loophole.
Changing the wording, does not make it acceptable, no matter how many bitter/sarcastic comments are thrown out to legitimize the program.
Very unprofessional when coming from a "school official".

At this point I'm expecting another immature response to this post, because it's clear thats all we can get here. Although, I'd like to be proven otherwise.

To answer md12886:
ECFMG registration for the USMLE is not extensive enough to dig into where EXACTLY these students are getting credits for their first 2 years.
I believe it was Super Moderator and KMCIC alum: Sree Cheruku - that stated that they use "AUA"'s institution code to sign up for the ECFMG, although they never even once took a class at AUA (that's legal :confused:).

This is basically a bypass of both the Medical Council of India as well as the US ECFMG Board.

It's a play on wording:
The Indian Govt does not recognize these KMCIC students - they will never legally be allowed to practice within Indian borders, however, this is a requirement of ECFMG. The credits should be acknowledged by the foreign nation. It is essentially a non-degree education (these are common all over the US too - its like training). AUA has the ability to accept these credits towards its degree, which is fine.... if you want to practice in Antigua that is.

If ECFMG gets heat of KMCIC, and these students are stuck in limbo, due to the non-IMED listing. KMC will turn the other way, they can only garauntee acceptance to AUA, not the US. KMC can not legally accept you as a transferred Indian medical student, because you are not ever registered as an MBBS student of India. This is because the seats are regulated by the Medical Council of India, and those are filled up for MBBS students, not KMCIC students.

ECFMG just assumes these students are either at AUA all along; or they are KMC transfers. It's 8,000 miles away - California got blindfolded and had no idea who KMCIC when approached...looks like the ECFMG was duped as well. There is no way that KMCIC would fly with ECFMG - hence this pending investigation.

As with any new program, it takes time for the word to spread of what's going on. Same way with St. Peters and St. Chris; and also Weill Cornell which is located in Qatar - they have just graduated their first class - and they say that this is the only institution to have this type of approval.

I have no idea what may or may not happen to these students. The 1-4th semester students are in a bind if there is a fall-out with ECFMG, the only thing they can do is finish up in Antigua and practice there as well (not India, not the US). The 5th semesters - may be alright since they have taken Step 1 at this point and ECFMG gave them authorization to do so. ECFMG could claim some sort of false documentation - but this is worst case scenario, and I would hope it certainly does not get to that point.

Tipton

09-17-2008, 08:28 AM

Program = Medical School. Medical School = Program. Same = Same.

KMCIC students (two that I know of, maybe a couple more) have already passed Step 1 and are in Clinicals now. So I guess ECFMG isn't following CTSky's interpretation of ECFMG's rules.

As for my professionalism and appropriate communication style...well CTSky has very high standards. For me and ECFMG as well. Since ECFMG is continuing to follow its own rules and guidelines without CTSky's help, I will do the same.

I think this might be yours. http://blog.hirestrategies.co.uk/erecruitment/images/2007/03/14/gauntlet.jpg

You can have it back now.

CTSky

09-17-2008, 02:04 PM

Right on time, directly from the Associate VP of Operations - ECFMG, regarding the investigation.
I hope this puts an end to any doubt to the rumors/questions that many have been brought up in this messageboard.

September 17, 2008
To whom it may concern:

You may have seen the recent notice from the Medical Council of India and the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare of India that recognition of Kasturba Medical College Manipal and Kasurba Medical College Mangalore has been revoked. The last degrees from those schools that are recognized are those awarded in 2008.

You should also note the change to these medical schools’ listing in the International Medical Education Directory (IMED). The “graduation years” in IMED for Kasturba Medical College Mangalore and Kasturba Medical College Manipal now end in 2008. One of the eligibility requirements for a medical school student to be registered by ECFMG for a USMLE examination is that the student’s medical school be listed in IMED and the “graduation years” be current. Since the “graduation years” in IMED for Kasturba Medical College Mangalore and Kasturba Medical College Manipal end in 2008 and are no longer “current,” students and graduates of Kasturba Medical College Mangalore and Kasturba Medical College Manipal who will receive their medical degrees in 2009 or later are not eligible to be registered by ECFMG for USMLE examinations and are not eligible for ECFMG certification. The Kasturba Medical College International Center is not listed in IMED and students enrolled in that program are not eligible to be registered by ECFMG for USMLE examinations.

The American University of Antigua College of Medicine is listed in IMED and the “graduation years” are “current.” Therefore, students and graduates of this medical school are eligible to apply to ECFMG for USMLE examinations. However, if they have transfer credits to the American University of Antigua College of Medicine from Kasturba Medical College Mangalore, Kasturba Medical College Manipal, or Kasturba Medical College International Center, they are subject to ECFMG’s restrictions on transfer credits as detailed in the ECFMG Information Booklet.

If the Kasturba Medical College International Center program is part of the American University of Antigua College of Medicine, then the policy of ECFMG is to require that the government of Antigua certify that its recognition of the American University of Antigua College of Medicine includes the program at Kasturba Medical College International Center. Without that confirmation, students who complete the Kasturba Medical College International Center program as students enrolled at the American University of Antigua College of Medicine are also not eligible to be registered by ECFMG for USMLE examinations.

I hope this information clarifies ECFMG policy.

Thank you

yyreddy

09-17-2008, 02:40 PM

Hi
How you got this information? Where can we see this official letter? Is it posted any where on ECFMG site?
Thanks a lot for your information
R

CTSky

09-17-2008, 09:38 PM

It was sent to me in an email directly from ECFMG as I had stated, the Associate VP Of Operations. I suggest you contact them as well for further clarification, after all, they are the final authority regarding this matter.

I will be forwarding the email only to those students/family that I know personally and were thinking about going there in the future. I will not be sending the email to others until ECFMG makes their own public statement of some sort.

However, I doubt ECFMG will openly reject a program on their official site, and I think the change they made on August 26, 2008 to the transfer credit policy was as far an extent as they will go at this point. This is why they then proceeded to clarify that the Antiguan Govt would need to certify the legitimacy of the two programs - including the one in India.

We will find out the outcome of this the next time the KMCIC students attempt to register for the USMLE, unless there is another way around this - such as the Antiguan Govt recognizing the corroboration between the two programs.

Tipton

09-18-2008, 11:32 AM

From the Desk of President NS:

"The government of Antigua has as part of its approval of AUA certified the AUA/KMCIC Twinning Program therefore making its graduates eligible for ECFMG certification and its students are eligible to sit for the USMLE. The ECFMG has the relevant documents and is verified in same."

seema_walia

09-18-2008, 12:38 PM

CTSky

09-18-2008, 12:54 PM

KMCIC students go to AUA or the US for their clinicals.

Who is President NS?
I thought Antigua had a Prime Minister...and those aren't his initials.
Where can we view this statement?

If the Govt issued statement holds valid even with KMC's facilities being inadequate for IMED, then KMC's derecognition should in no way affect the students who are registering via ECFMG due to the certification by the Antiguan Govt.

vasanthd

09-18-2008, 01:07 PM

KMCIC students go to AUA or the US for their clinicals.

Who is President NS?

Its the President & Co-Founder of AUA.

CTSky

09-19-2008, 02:02 PM

Right - Mr.N.S. ...New York lawyer...that decided to be the founder of a foreign medical school.

Overseas accounts anyone...:banana:Just kiddin...

Tipton

09-20-2008, 09:57 AM

Hi guys
I heard if you fail in usmle the first time then you can sit for it only after 7 yrs ?
What does one do till then?
Students from kmcic program are not allowed to practice any were in India so were do they go after clinicals ?

I have no idea why one whould have to wait 7 years to retake Step 1 unless for some reason your Med School won't sponsor you again.

KMCIC is a US-modeled Medical School program designed to complete US licensing requirements. It's pretty premature to speak of AUA/KMCIC grads seeking licensure in India since they haven't even graduated from AUA yet.

atillius

09-24-2008, 11:07 AM

Let me start by saying we have had 2 students continue on back to the states to take the USMLE. Both scored in the 99th percentile. That speaks to the education you receive here. Both girls are now in clinical rotations in the US with now issues.

It is correct that KMCIC is not recognized as a medical school in India. That's because it is not a medical school in India. You receive a Bachelors of Science (undergraduate) degree in health sciences from KMCIC. You receive a medical degree from AUA. When you reach the basic medical sciences here in India, you are a part of AUA. AUA is an IMED school. KMC being "derecognized by MCI" means nothing to a medical degree from AUA or an undergraduate degree from KMCIC. The government of Antigua has certified the KMCIC campus here. The school has had students take and complete the exam. The confusion all stems from the fact that KMCIC issues a bachelors degree while AUA issues the MD.

When you do your basic medical sciences, you are a part of AUA. When you finish your time in Manipal, you graduate with a Bachelors in Health Sciences. They arrange it this way because to practice in all 50 states, you need an undergraduate degree on top of the MD. The program is designed to be like a 6 year medical program from the US (2years undergrad and 4 1/2 years for the MD). It is true that AUA is not certified in all 50 states as of yet, but is certified in most. Certifications will come as the school establishes itself.

As for KMC being derecognized, it is true. But it does not affect the twinning program in the least. The derecognition by the MCI has more to do with money than quality of education. The MCI has a problem with KMC having a "offshore" medical school on its campus and not being paid for it. Sadly it is the state of affairs in India. A matter of 5 crore ruppees would settle this matter. KMC felt that it should have to pay it because the school in question has no bearing in India, and KMC has such a well established reputation that the validity of the decreditation would immediately be in question. It would be the equivalent of LCME decrediting Johns Hopkins Medical School for failure to pay a bribe.

Any further questions please feel free to contact me.

- Amit Kashyap

azskeptic

09-24-2008, 11:11 AM

So there is no transfer of credits from KMCIC to AUA diploma?

Was KMCIC the entity that was approved by NY?

Let me start by saying we have had 2 students continue on back to the states to take the USMLE. Both scored in the 99th percentile. That speaks to the education you receive here. Both girls are now in clinical rotations in the US with now issues.

It is correct that KMCIC is not recognized as a medical school in India. That's because it is not a medical school in India. You receive a Bachelors of Science (undergraduate) degree in health sciences from KMCIC. You receive a medical degree from AUA. When you reach the basic medical sciences here in India, you are a part of AUA. AUA is an IMED school. KMC being "derecognized by MCI" means nothing to a medical degree from AUA or an undergraduate degree from KMCIC. The government of Antigua has certified the KMCIC campus here. The school has had students take and complete the exam. The c