for those deciding which....

[Stranger Stel]

Hey, alright so, i come from canada, did a bachelors of biological psych, and now live in greece for the time being.

I came to greece looking to do med school since it was free, but let me tell you, nuts to that!! way to corrupt and unprofessional for my tastes, so i was turned onto the idea of studying in hungary since 1) its taught in english and 2) especially in greece, is regarded as having a very high level of education and professionalism..... so i went

This is for those of you who want to apply to hungary but dont have the means to actually go there and look at the schools and surrounding areas first hand.

So i started in Szeged, beautiful town, breathtaking! A little small for my tastes though, coming from Toronto, i mean u can walk around that place in a bout 2 hours and there is one bus line. It seems like a nice university town tho, with the one bus line that goes right through campus, theres no reason to miss class. The university itself is a little weird to navigate at first since its kinda scattered within the city around the main Cathedral, but i didnt slit my throat. Every person i came into contact with was exceptionally nice and helpful, and i spoke to alot of foreign students who were about to graduate. They said theyre time there was great. I mean yes, no one is going to wipe your bum for you, but if ure competent enough to think you can be a doctor then the fact that med school "might" be hard wont come as a surprise to you. The only complaints i have about Szeged is that being a small town, the night life and bar situation wasnt that thrilling, i mean there are places to go and chill, but most students take weekend trips to budapest which is just a 2 hours train ride.

So in closing about Szeged, its a beautiful town, a closed community-ish university....smoking hot girls and 1 euro beers....good beer! It apparenty receives the second largest amount of money from the government second to semmelweis, and is regarded as one of the best schools in hungary and central europe.

Moving on...the next school and town i went to was Debrecen. This is the second largest city in budapest and contains more forestry than Szeged and Budapest. It is known for its forest which is right by the university. Now i went to hungary in winter, but i can tell you that debrecen definitely had a more industrial feel to it than the other cities i visited. There was just something about it, the people, the surroundings i cant put my finger on it exactly, but it just didnt have the same charm budapest or szeged had. The school on the other hand had one of the largest most gorgeous main buildings. It was staggering, it almost looked like the mansion from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. The campus was closed off , meaning it had more of a campus feel and was not scattered throughout the city. The campus wasnt that big, and easy to navigate. I spoke to a bunch of students from all over the world and these two norweigen girls who were two of the hottest girls ive ever seen. The general impression i got from the students was "study your off". I mean i didnt go to hungary for people to tell me that med school is hard, but everyone pretty much said if u study as much as humanly possible, then you should be fine. As far as downtown goes, which one streetcar that takes you from the school to the city, it shares the same feel as the rest of debrecen. I mean its not like there are factories everywhere and smoke chimneys, but it just feels as if not as much asthetic attention was paid when they were building the city. I had a good time there nonetheless, but the people were noticeably more rude and cold than elsewhere. I almost got into a swearing argument with the english secretary. I was standing in front of her desk for about 3 minutes before she looked up and had the nerve to ask me if i needed anything. I replied " im just admiring the top of your head, dont mind me"... and this personality seemed to resonate throughout Debrecen. it seemed like no matter which school i went to the students would say that one was the best, but fact of the matter is debrecen doesnt receive the same funding as szeged or semmelweis, but they say the level of education is pretty stable across hungary and central europe.
In its defense, debrecen does have an abundance of hot spa baths, and a really nice forest park right next to the university, i didnt see anything like that in the other cities, but to directly quote a student from seattle with whom i spoke at great lengths " if you want to learn medicine come here, if you want to learn medicine and have fun go to budapest"
and on that note, i was off, for semmelweis in budapest.

Just a side note... from either of these cities, its about a 2 hour train ride give or take to the next city, so traveling around to look at different schools wasnt that much of a man's best friend.

So, i arrive in budapest, and instantly as i walked out of the major train station, i was hit by this amazement and excitement that wasnt felt in the other two cities. Its ridiculously stunning, the architecture was breathtaking. I booked myself at a hostel right near the med school (which by the way, if your visiting and need a place to stay, i super recommend the place i was. Maxim hostels. I became friends with the guy who works there and still stay in touch with him, so if you plan to go, ill tell him your a friend of mine and hell hook you up. and believe me he is someone you want hooking you up!), so either way, budapest was pure insanity. Aside from the utter beauty of the town everyone was incredibly nice and were so excited to try their english out on me. I live in greece right now, and if you have been to hungary and think the people are rude there..... take a step in athens, youll see whats what. So anyways, the med school was easy to find and is stretched out along 3 major subway stops, so from one end to the other is really easy to get to. Never mind the people who say its impossible to make all your classes, they must come from a place where the one street light they have causes mass confusion. If you are at all aware of how a city and subways work, then you should have absolutely no problem. I spoke for a while with the english secretary, and one of the questions i asked was whether they take into consideration when timing classes the fact that students have to travel. She assure me that they are aware of travel time, and that you will have ample time to make all your classes. Speaking with some of the students, they all seemed to agree that the city was amazing, and the level of education was what they expected. No one said it was easy, but again, i hate these people on this site that complain about failing classes, and the material being too difficult..the students i talked to said the professors were fair and helpful. and i kept asking people if they have seen or heard about all this corruption that seems to be floating around this site... everyone looked at me like i was on crack.. And as far as the oral exams go, only the students who didnt know english that well had problems with them, i for one would love the opportunity to talk out my knowledge, and so did other american and canadian students who have never been able to do this.

In closing i have applied to Budapest and Szeged.... i am waiting to hear whether or not i have to do the entrance exams. Both universities told me that with a degree from another country, such as states or canada, you may be eligible for direct acceptance, so im waiting to hear.
Well thats my overview of the main med schools in hungary, i didnt go to pecs, so i dunno what to tell you, but if you have any questions or want more detail on a certain school feel free to email me at stelios_naxakis@hotmail.com

hope this helps

peace.

[AVOID_HUNGARY!!]

You said
"And as far as the oral exams go, only the students who didnt know english that well had problems with them"

:)))))))

oh boy

oh boy

oh dear...

...
...

lets see if you have the same opinion after the 2nd year:)))

The truth is: people fail in oral exams because Hungarian professors rob you from your true grade, even if you have answered the question still there is a possibility that u can fail, no matter how many hours you have studied AND NOT BECAUSE OF THE ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just don't blame yourself after a failure because that will make you feel like a TRUE HUNGARIAN:)))))


Choosing to study in Hungary is a RISKY decision. Many many many students leave during the second year because they realize the Hungarian system sucks (oral exams where you fail unfairly, u lose 1 subject you can't go to the next semester, they count how many times you failed -- you are out after when u reach a certain limit)

Now if you are willing to take that risk its up to you.

Who cares about the architecture of the city when you are studying under such a system.


If you are still stubborn and still want to study in Hungary and you think you are SUPERMAN and you can do it...then I wish you good luck my friend, i just hope your powers won't fail you :)))))

[Stranger Stel]

hey "avoid hungary" , thanks for your words of wisdom and encouragement, sincerely i value your opinion like this site values md,,, but if i may, id like to ask you a few questions. the first being what compelled you to study in hungary in the first place and from where do you originate. The second being, what was your prior schooling before attending medical school in hungary, and lastly did everyone in your school year fail out as hard as you did?

if you would be so kind as to answer these questions for me, it would shed a little bit more light on your whole situation, and perhaps in turn, bring us closer together, as humans beings and as life long friends.

[african_child]

hi Stranger Stel,
thanks for your contribution. it has given someone like me, who cannot just visit hungary to "look around", a vivid picture of what to expect. what added to the authenticity of your "situational report" was the fact that you asked students unsupervised. to say the least, you've been most helpful. good luck with your admission.

[amaadani]

hello,

would you please give us all answers to Stranger Stel questions? see, I am not the only one who thinks your arguments are a bit off.





You said
"And as far as the oral exams go, only the students who didnt know english that well had problems with them"

:)))))))

oh boy

oh boy

oh dear...

...
...

lets see if you have the same opinion after the 2nd year:)))

The truth is: people fail in oral exams because Hungarian professors rob you from your true grade, even if you have answered the question still there is a possibility that u can fail, no matter how many hours you have studied AND NOT BECAUSE OF THE ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just don't blame yourself after a failure because that will make you feel like a TRUE HUNGARIAN:)))))


Choosing to study in Hungary is a RISKY decision. Many many many students leave during the second year because they realize the Hungarian system sucks (oral exams where you fail unfairly, u lose 1 subject you can't go to the next semester, they count how many times you failed -- you are out after when u reach a certain limit)

Now if you are willing to take that risk its up to you.

Who cares about the architecture of the city when you are studying under such a system.


If you are still stubborn and still want to study in Hungary and you think you are SUPERMAN and you can do it...then I wish you good luck my friend, i just hope your powers won't fail you :)))))

[whattupdog6969]

You said
"And as far as the oral exams go, only the students who didnt know english that well had problems with them"

:)))))))

oh boy

oh boy

oh dear...

...
...

lets see if you have the same opinion after the 2nd year:)))

The truth is: people fail in oral exams because Hungarian professors rob you from your true grade, even if you have answered the question still there is a possibility that u can fail, no matter how many hours you have studied AND NOT BECAUSE OF THE ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just don't blame yourself after a failure because that will make you feel like a TRUE HUNGARIAN:)))))


Choosing to study in Hungary is a RISKY decision. Many many many students leave during the second year because they realize the Hungarian system sucks (oral exams where you fail unfairly, u lose 1 subject you can't go to the next semester, they count how many times you failed -- you are out after when u reach a certain limit)

Now if you are willing to take that risk its up to you.

Who cares about the architecture of the city when you are studying under such a system.


If you are still stubborn and still want to study in Hungary and you think you are SUPERMAN and you can do it...then I wish you good luck my friend, i just hope your powers won't fail you :)))))

I simply cannot believe that this sort of falsification of information is allowed????????????
Many many many students leave the Hungarian system after the second year, because they fail the examinations, and do not want to face the embarrassment of repeating the subjects or year.
Instructors do NOT fail you intentionally. Simply put, if you do not know your material, you are not going to pass the examinations.
People fail examinations because the examiners "rob" you of your grade??? that is an unfair and inaccurate assessment.
You do NOT have to be extraordinarily intelligent or "superman" to pass through the Hungarian medical system.
You have to channel your time and energy into your studies, and not worry why people do not make it, or this professor or that professor.
I do not understand why this sort of falsification of information is allowed, yet arguing to the contrary is not allowed. Why exactly? Who knows. :confused: And you most certainly do NOT need "powers" to pass.
Good and very accurate assessment Stanger Stel. Norwegian girls are some of the most beautiful on the planet, and very very nice also. Like supermodels with brains and personalities.... amazing let me tell you...
the city itself is somewhat boring, but Budapest is less than three hours away. The architecture in Debrecen is breathtaking, even compared to standards in the United States.
Of note, there were several students from Greece, all of which were exceptionally nice, with the notable exception of one :rolleyes:
Overall the medical students from Greece were very hard working and intelligent, diligent workers who studied exceptionally hard.

[AVOID_HUNGARY!!]

How many students didn't make it through the second year? :p

[Stranger Stel]

i have a better question,

how many students are supposed to make it through second year?
what??, all of them,pppphhhhh in every school system people drop out or fail, are you at all aware of the university drop out rate of kids thinking it will be just like highschool??

now lets take those kids who graduated their 12th grade, who got straight As in arts and crafts and who successfully learned to color within the lines, and lets take them not to university where they can get a feel for "big boy" education, no, lets put them in MEDICAL SCHOOL. One of the ,if not THE most difficult field of education and lets see how they do. heaven forbid some fail!

[AVOID_HUNGARY!!]

study=you pass

that formula doesn't work in Hungary for many reasons

there are no universities in Hungary, only banks

[Stranger Stel]

study=you pass

that formula doesn't work in Hungary for many reasons

there are no universities in Hungary, only banks



well at least ill be able to take out a loan then

thanks for the hot tip

[amaadani]

why don't you answer Stranger Stel's questions. if that is how you deal with your exams no wonder you are not happy...i am not trying to be mean but your arguments do not make any sense...

study=you pass

that formula doesn't work in Hungary for many reasons

there are no universities in Hungary, only banks

[whattupdog6969]

well at least ill be able to take out a loan then

thanks for the hot tip


:D:D:D:D that was a good one. I think that there are various individuals who failed, who could not stand the system and left. The realization came that
"What??? You mean I actually have to STUDY to be a doctor?? What kind of nonsense is that? I want to treat patients!"
This mentality weeded out a TON of students. The diligent students who studied hard stayed. Those that partied late didn't.
They could not read big books, and couldn't sit down and study continuously, it made them mad, and they failed and left.
There are not stringent admissions standards unfortunately, so 99.9% of those students that failed and left did not belong in a medical school in the first place.

[whattupdog6969]

How many students didn't make it through the second year? :p


why are these nagging insults allowed? Just a question.

[amaadani]

hey,
i know you said that you are a resident in the U.S., from past posting of course... i was wondering if you went through fifth-pathway before residency and what was your personal experience with the program. I have read all about it online but I would like to hear from a person about the program.
arash m.



why are these nagging insults allowed? Just a question.

[AVOID_HUNGARY!!]

There is no point replying to your postings

If you want to go to Hungary and study there its your choice, your time, your money...

... but keep in mind that many students who chose to study in Hungary have DEEPLY REGRETED it, and i am not speaking about the students who failed but also about the students who are still studying there and those who have already finished.

Now if you want to defend the Hungarian medical universities because you already have a degree from there, or because that just makes you feel good then thats another discussion.

[amaadani]

you sound like Rumsfield and Bush on WMD in Iraq and all the idiotic talks about nuclear energy in Iran....

why are you going through circles by repeating yourself....please answer the questions...

:confused::confused:



There is no point replying to your postings

If you want to go to Hungary and study there its your choice, your time, your money...

... but keep in mind that many students who chose to study in Hungary have DEEPLY REGRETED it, and i am not speaking about the students who failed but also about the students who are still studying there and those who have already finished.

Now if you want to defend the Hungarian medical universities because you already have a degree from there, or because that just makes you feel good then thats another discussion.

[Stranger Stel]

ok, ok, i think we have all had enough of this.

Avoid Hungary, you have stated your opinion, numerous times, in numerous ways, and at this point it just seems like we are wasting your precious time and brain power causing you to think of (what i assume is dwindling by the post) new ways to repeat your exact sentiments on the medical academia of Hungary. Do you agree?

and lets be honest now, i for one wish not to see the day that the metaphorical cat catches your very literal tongue on this subject, so do you not agree that for your sake, as well as ours you retire your distaste, your loath, your frustration and possibly pursue new and exciting albeit productive outlets for your anger. I mean "im not a doctor or anything" (and according to you, never will be) but this cant be healthy for you, or those who im sure love you dearly.

But leave not in anguish, for you my friend have greatly contributed to and represented the student body who has been ravished, raped, and stripped of all but a few items by this forementioned medical system. I for one thank you, and wish you nothing but luck in your future quests.

good day, sir.


There is no point replying to your postings

If you want to go to Hungary and study there its your choice, your time, your money...

... but keep in mind that many students who chose to study in Hungary have DEEPLY REGRETED it, and i am not speaking about the students who failed but also about the students who are still studying there and those who have already finished.

Now if you want to defend the Hungarian medical universities because you already have a degree from there, or because that just makes you feel good then thats another discussion.

[amaadani]

that is the thing about AVOID_HUNGARY!!!

makes you go; :confused:

and

:twisted:

and make you feel like you are talking to an :evil:
in a case that you really wanna be :) and
:p

and not:mad:

anyhow I wish you :cool:and better days....




ok, ok, i think we have all had enough of this.

Avoid Hungary, you have stated your opinion, numerous times, in numerous ways, and at this point it just seems like we are wasting your precious time and brain power causing you to think of (what i assume is dwindling by the post) new ways to repeat your exact sentiments on the medical academia of Hungary. Do you agree?

and lets be honest now, i for one wish not to see the day that the metaphorical cat catches your very literal tongue on this subject, so do you not agree that for your sake, as well as ours you retire your distaste, your loath, your frustration and possibly pursue new and exciting albeit productive outlets for your anger. I mean "im not a doctor or anything" (and according to you, never will be) but this cant be healthy for you, or those who im sure love you dearly.

But leave not in anguish, for you my friend have greatly contributed to and represented the student body who has been ravished, raped, and stripped of all but a few items by this forementioned medical system. I for one thank you, and wish you nothing but luck in your future quests.

good day, sir.

[AVOID_HUNGARY!!]

You have been asking me the same questions and I have been giving you the same answers...what else did you except?

If you want to go and study in Hungary, then please do so...its your choice...end of conversation...you already know from my previous posts that hungarian medical universities have left many people UNHAPPY.

[Stranger Stel]

You have been asking me the same questions and I have been giving you the same answers...what else did you except?

If you want to go and study in Hungary, then please do so...its your choice...end of conversation...you already know from my previous posts that hungarian medical universities have left many people UNHAPPY.


ahahahahahahaah just couldnt help it eh. funny if done in sarcasm, but i have a strange feeling it wasnt. ;)

[amaadani]

what you just said tells me you do not even read what is said on this page. following is the copy and paste from the previous posting by the Stranger. can you please read the following and answer the questions..... :)


hey "avoid hungary" , thanks for your words of wisdom and encouragement, sincerely i value your opinion like this site values md,,, but if i may, id like to ask you a few questions. the first being what compelled you to study in hungary in the first place and from where do you originate. The second being, what was your prior schooling before attending medical school in hungary, and lastly did everyone in your school year fail out as hard as you did?

if you would be so kind as to answer these questions for me, it would shed a little bit more light on your whole situation, and perhaps in turn, bring us closer together, as humans beings and as life long friends.

You have been asking me the same questions and I have been giving you the same answers...what else did you except?

If you want to go and study in Hungary, then please do so...its your choice...end of conversation...you already know from my previous posts that hungarian medical universities have left many people UNHAPPY.

[Bechtel]

You have been asking me the same questions and I have been giving you the same answers...what else did you except?

If you want to go and study in Hungary, then please do so...its your choice...end of conversation...you already know from my previous posts that hungarian medical universities have left many people UNHAPPY.

Hey! AVOID_HUNGARY
CAN YOU ANSWER THE Q,S in POST #21 thanks

[AVOID_HUNGARY!!]

I have answered to Stranger Stel (http://www.valuemd.com/members/stranger-stel.html) privately

Please don't ask me my nationality, what I am doing now, my address, my telephone number, if I have a girlfriend, pictures of me etc. as that doesn't concern you. Thanks

[whattupdog6969]

There is no point replying to your postings

If you want to go to Hungary and study there its your choice, your time, your money...

... but keep in mind that many students who chose to study in Hungary have DEEPLY REGRETED it, and i am not speaking about the students who failed but also about the students who are still studying there and those who have already finished.

Now if you want to defend the Hungarian medical universities because you already have a degree from there, or because that just makes you feel good then thats another discussion.

I want you to PLEASE GIVE ME ONE SINGLE NAME OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO FINISHED HUNGARY AND REGRETS STUDYING THERE GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL NOT.
Nobody wants to know your girlfriend status, everyone including myself just wants to know how much education you had prior to attending Hungary, and the other questions if you dont mind please answer them also
Avoid_Hungary
thank you graciously for your wonderful time!

[Stranger Stel]

avoid hungary did answer , well some of my questions privately, and wished that they remained private. not that i deeply respect him or anything, but ill be civil in my decision not to disclose the information


i will say tho, his answers were just as i expected.

[whattupdog6969]

avoid hungary did answer , well some of my questions privately, and wished that they remained private. not that i deeply respect him or anything, but ill be civil in my decision not to disclose the information


i will say tho, his answers were just as i expected.


and that is just exactly what we expected thanks, figured.

[amaadani]

thanks....................

and that is just exactly what we expected thanks, figured.

[Mister]

wow after reading all of these posts I feel as though I have been through a war zone. I think that we can sum this up by saying WOW....and I appreciate AVOID HUNGARYs' comments but I am confused as to how someone can make general statements about the level of education of a WHOLE country rather than just one school?. It is fair to say that somepeople may have had the worst experience of their lives in Hungarian Medical schools but if we assume that then we must make the same assumption that somepeople may have had the best experience of their lives. The only question left to ask is who to believe? Thank God that we all have brains and are all able to gather huge amounts information and form opinions because without that ability we may all fall into a state of depression led on by information and misinformation and inaction. So.......in conclusion Good luck to everyone and we should all be helping each other with CONSTRUCTIVE opinions because we all have the same goal and we all need some help sometimes.

[whattupdog6969]

wow after reading all of these posts I feel as though I have been through a war zone. I think that we can sum this up by saying WOW....and I appreciate AVOID HUNGARYs' comments but I am confused as to how someone can make general statements about the level of education of a WHOLE country rather than just one school?. It is fair to say that somepeople may have had the worst experience of their lives in Hungarian Medical schools but if we assume that then we must make the same assumption that somepeople may have had the best experience of their lives. The only question left to ask is who to believe? Thank God that we all have brains and are all able to gather huge amounts information and form opinions because without that ability we may all fall into a state of depression led on by information and misinformation and inaction. So.......in conclusion Good luck to everyone and we should all be helping each other with CONSTRUCTIVE opinions because we all have the same goal and we all need some help sometimes.


yes its certainly appreciable, the many perspectives you get here. Unfortunately, the opinion that you have read here dealing with the negativism has been skewed severely left ward in my wholehearted opinion. Yes the Universities in Hungary are not perfect, but they are FAR from what is described here.
What is my point? My point is that it is much much wiser to go the Universities yourself, and ask UPPER LEVEL students what the University is like, like another member has done already, and obtain firsthand information.
The analogy is this --

You can find much LESS biased information by visiting the University yourself.

[Bechtel]

I have answered to Stranger Stel (http://www.valuemd.com/members/stranger-stel.html) privately

Please don't ask me my nationality, what I am doing now, my address, my telephone number, if I have a girlfriend, pictures of me etc. as that doesn't concern you. Thanks

All we want to know is how much education you have had? please don't skirt the issue by stating above things. Have you considered going into politics? (as they all are good at AVOIDING answering questions!!!) :D:D:D:D:D

[whattupdog6969]

hey,
i know you said that you are a resident in the U.S., from past posting of course... i was wondering if you went through fifth-pathway before residency and what was your personal experience with the program. I have read all about it online but I would like to hear from a person about the program.
arash m.


Fifth Pathway is a great great experience for obtaining all of your clinicals essentially in one hospital, and two months of electives anywhere you want to go. Plus they help alot with the match, you get a step by step coaching system. Fifth Pathway is expensive though. You have to research into it yourself, you can obtain clinical rotations on your own, but its a huge hassle. It has provided me with innumerable experiences that were positive. However, I think that its more appropriate to be 6 to 8 months maximum, and not a full year. It is a HUGE committment doing it for a year.

[amaadani]

thanks a lot for your reply, I just found out that the fifth pathway is closing down in Jan. of 2009. so it won't work for me....i guess now i have to work on the idea of finding the clinical rotations here in the U.S. on my own.

Fifth Pathway is a great great experience for obtaining all of your clinicals essentially in one hospital, and two months of electives anywhere you want to go. Plus they help alot with the match, you get a step by step coaching system. Fifth Pathway is expensive though. You have to research into it yourself, you can obtain clinical rotations on your own, but its a huge hassle. It has provided me with innumerable experiences that were positive. However, I think that its more appropriate to be 6 to 8 months maximum, and not a full year. It is a HUGE committment doing it for a year.

[whattupdog6969]

thanks a lot for your reply, I just found out that the fifth pathway is closing down in Jan. of 2009. so it won't work for me....i guess now i have to work on the idea of finding the clinical rotations here in the U.S. on my own.


its not hard to do man. To tell you the absolute truth, its a bit overrated -- USCE. Don't take that the wrong way, but you really only need to have about 3 months or so for USCE. You don't need a full year, its rough very very very rough from Hungary especially at times. But its manageable....
Your boards and LORs are the most crucial part of your application.

[amaadani]

can you please elaborate on your posting?

its rough very very very rough from Hungary especially at times. But its manageable.... what do you exactly mean? thanks, :)



its not hard to do man. To tell you the absolute truth, its a bit overrated -- USCE. Don't take that the wrong way, but you really only need to have about 3 months or so for USCE. You don't need a full year, its rough very very very rough from Hungary especially at times. But its manageable....
Your boards and LORs are the most crucial part of your application.

[whattupdog6969]

can you please elaborate on your posting?

what do you exactly mean? thanks, :)


one year of clinical experience is rough, because you are spending so so so so much time, I was the only one to somehow manage it in just the allotted time of two years from my school -- the one year of clinical experience, fifth pathway training, and graduating medical school from Hungary ( I finished my 6th year in Hungary in world record 10 weeks, by the grace of God's good will), passing USMLE Step 2 ck and USMLE Step II CS, obtaining good letters of recommendation from US hospitals, Deans letter from both fifth pathway and Debrecen.
It is very difficult timewise honestly if not planned properly, with the second part of your boards looming, the cs examination and ecfmg certification.
One year of clinical experience is ALOT of time commitment, but its doable, I did it. If I can do it its possible.
So what I mean is, leaving Hungary RIGHT after the fifth year, start fifth pathway training within basically two weeks, you are there at Fifth Pathway for one full year, plus studying for your USMLE examination and CS, trying to get letters of recommendation, and you need a deans letter from either or both Hungary and Fifth Pathway. Interviewing for residency, and THEN worrying about finishing your examinations in Hungary to complete the sixth and final year to graduate.
That can be a very tight situation if you do not plan it properly.
However soon 5th Pathway is closing, which is really a true shame.

[amaadani]

thanks for your input. yes, fifth pathway program is closing down and I think students have to look for rotations by themselves...i have seen that many schools offer rotations to International students however I do not know how well that will work.

thanks again for your input.


one year of clinical experience is rough, because you are spending so so so so much time, I was the only one to somehow manage it in just the allotted time of two years from my school -- the one year of clinical experience, fifth pathway training, and graduating medical school from Hungary ( I finished my 6th year in Hungary in world record 10 weeks, by the grace of God's good will), passing USMLE Step 2 ck and USMLE Step II CS, obtaining good letters of recommendation from US hospitals, Deans letter from both fifth pathway and Debrecen.
It is very difficult timewise honestly if not planned properly, with the second part of your boards looming, the cs examination and ecfmg certification.
One year of clinical experience is ALOT of time commitment, but its doable, I did it. If I can do it its possible.
So what I mean is, leaving Hungary RIGHT after the fifth year, start fifth pathway training within basically two weeks, you are there at Fifth Pathway for one full year, plus studying for your USMLE examination and CS, trying to get letters of recommendation, and you need a deans letter from either or both Hungary and Fifth Pathway. Interviewing for residency, and THEN worrying about finishing your examinations in Hungary to complete the sixth and final year to graduate.
That can be a very tight situation if you do not plan it properly.
However soon 5th Pathway is closing, which is really a true shame.