List of green core rotations for aua

[gatornation]

Hey everyone

I was a bit bored during immunology and decided to go through the acgme website and cross match our list of hospitals with their accredited programs list to compile a list of hospitals that are green by department and also by the state the hospital is located in. These are only for the core rotations and if i have more time i will try and work on the green electives. I just wanted to emphasize that this information was taken out of the acgme website and i am aware that the acgme website is not updated regularly so please bear with me. The acgme link is ACGME Accredited Program and Institutional Listing - Public Access (http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/default.asp) .


INTERNAL MEDICINE: 12 weeks
NEW YORK: Brooklyn Hospital Center
St. John’s Episcopal Hospital
Mount Vernon Hospital
Wyckoff Heights Medical Center
Sound Shore Medical Center

CONNECTICUT: Griffin Hospital

ILLINOIS: Michael Reese Hospital

MARYLAND: Harbor Hospital
Franklin Square Hospital
Union Memorial Hospital

PUERTO RICO: San Juan City Hospital

SURGERY: 12 weeks

NEW YORK: Sound Shore Medical Center

MARYLAND: Union Memorial Hospital

Michigan: St. Joseph-Oakland

PEDIATRICS: 6 weeks

NEW YORK: Wyckoff Heights Medical Center

PUERTO RICO: San Juan City Hospital

OBGYN : 6 weeks

Maryland: Franklin Square Hospital

Michigan: North Oakland Medical Center

Puerto Rico: San Juan City Hospital

PSYCHIATRY: 6 weeks

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA: St. Elizabeth’s hospital


FAMILY MEDICINE: 6 weeks

NEW YORK: Southside Hospital
St. Clare’s Hospital of Schenectady
Wyckoff Heights Medical Center

MARYLAND: Franklin Square Hospital

ILLINOIS: Jackson Park Hospital

MICHIGAN: Genesys Regional Medical Center
North Oakland Medical Center

Total 48 weeks or 336 days

If i have missed any hospitals i do apologize and would hope that you could add to this list. Hope this helps
* I have updated a few of the corrections that Sree pointed out (about Brooklyn hospital and Sheppard Pratt)

[Sree Cheruku]

Good job. There's a few small changes though.

1. As of a month ago, we only have a contract with Brooklyn Hospital for IM and electives.
2. Sheppard Pratt in Maryland only allows us to do Psych electives not the Psych core, as of a few months ago
3. North Oakland Hospital does not plan to renew its ACGME-accreditation for Ob/Gyn after July of this year. However St. Joseph-Mercy Oakland hospital (rumor has it) just got its osteopathic Ob/Gyn program ACGME-approved - so they have a combined MD-DO program there starting this July.
4. Union Memorial, as of two months ago, does not allow AUA students to do General Surgery core or Orthopedics.

It is commendable that you took the time to look this stuff up though. ~0% of my classmates leaving the island had any idea what a Greenbook rotation was before our fifth semester. If you guys, through the SGA, start pushing for Greenbook rotations now, you might have a far more pleasant clinical experience in the future.

[gatornation]

Thanks Sree, i wasn't aware of the importance that many states place on green rotations for residency until a month ago and i am shocked that many students here at aua are clueless about their importance let alone know what they are. I am definitely going to push for our SGA to educate students on green rotations and their importance.

[g6pddfishnc]

Thanks alot! I like the way this list is organized by rotation, followed by the states and hospitals. Nice job, and looking forward to your list of electives.:)

[Sree Cheruku]

i wasn't aware of the importance that many states place on green rotations for residency until a month ago and i am shocked that many students here at aua are clueless about their importance let alone know what they are.
Everyone obsesses about California accreditation which allows you to practice in like 4-5 states. Failure to do your cores at Green places will preclude you from being licensed in 20+ states, including the big, Eastern states which most students are from.

[iwanabmd]

When I looked up Wyckoff Heights I did not see a pediatrics for ACGME accredation. Can someone help explain to me how it is accredited. Also, San Juan is the only other option we have? Is the school trying to add more peds hospitals?

[Sree Cheruku]

Wyckoff is accredited through Brooklyn Hospital's pediatrics program. Do a search on acgme.org for Brooklyn Hospital's program, and you'll see Wyckoff listed as a teaching affiliate.

Ross recently acquired 60 more spots at Wyckoff (displacing non-Ross students) and this takes effect 7/08 so get yourself scheduled there if you haven't already.

[MajMD]

thanks gatornation

[octavio]

maj-to-the-motha-f'in-MD!

[MajMD]

maj-to-the-motha-f'in-MD!

haha...octa-motha-f'in-vio...let's get AUA to get some Boston rotations.

[grobble]

haha...octa-motha-f'in-vio...let's get AUA to get some Boston rotations.

Mass isn't Caribbean frinedly state. If you look at stats of US IMG's getting residency Mass is very low on the list. States that take alot of US IMG's are the states that tend to have alot of Carribbean clinical sites....NY, MI, IL, etc...

IMO there are places that are much more realistic to get cores at that AUA should be working on. Increasing Chicago and Michigan. Getting cores in Atlanta, Ohio, and Florida.

[adenosine]

I was told in order to practice in Texas all core rotations should be greenbook listed and electives does not have to be. Does anyone have info on this topic?

[iwanabmd]

why are AUA students not allowed to do surgery or ortho at union ??

[hannahMD]

So if we want a greenbook rotation in pediatrics and psychiatry, we only have one or two choices. It must be very hard to get in. Do we have to wait for long period of time for those rotations? Can we find our own core rotations that are greenbook?
P.s. I think St. Joseph -Oakland is greenbook for IM, which is not listed.

[Sree Cheruku]

I was told in order to practice in Texas all core rotations should be greenbook listed and electives does not have to be. Does anyone have info on this topic?
Yes. Also, Nevada and Pennsylvania have the same rule. It was previously thought that Nevada would not allow AUA students to practice because they "followed the California list," but an inquiry by two AUA students revealed that they simply demand that graduates of non-Cali approved schools personally appear before the board and they require all Green cores and electives.



So if we want a greenbook rotation in pediatrics and psychiatry, we only have one or two choices. It must be very hard to get in. Do we have to wait for long period of time for those rotations? Can we find our own core rotations that are greenbook?
You can't do cores in hospitals not affiliated with AUA. Wait list isn't too bad for Psych, but for Peds it is. Most people prefer the VA hospital for psych because apparently they let you live in it or something. I did my Psych rotation at St. John's Episcopal Hospital. It wasn't too bad.

I'm scheduled to start Peds at Wyckoff in nine days, but due to the hospital's policy of "bumping students," I won't be sure that I have a spot there till I show up - and I applied for this spot in July (7 months ago).


why are AUA students not allowed to do surgery or ortho at union ??
Because we don't have a contract with the surgery department. I've been told that the IM core there is as good as the one at Harbor.

[NicSTX]

wait, is OBGYN not greenbook at wycoff?

[gatornation]

Wyckoff hospital isn't listed on the acgme website for OBGYN, plus i found a website that lists the intern residency programs at wyckoff as being acgme, aoa or cpme and obgyn is listed as being accredited by the AOA; family medicine, pediatrics and internal medicine are the only three core that are accredited by the acgme

here's the website:Residency Programs (http://www.wyckoffhospital.org/body.cfm?id=155)

hope this helps

[octavio]

Ok, sree, so what happens if you get bumped off? Would you be forced to do a bluebook rotation in peds due to no other options? I was talking to a freind of mine yesterday and he mentioned that Ross had bought out many spots for wycoff peds and that students like us are going to even have a harder time getting that greenbook ped at wycoff. So worst case, lets say we lose peds at wycoff due to Ross, then what? I NEED to do all green rotation, ESPECIALLY cores! I really want as many options as possible when it comes to getting lisenced. This kind sucks eh?

[Sree Cheruku]

Ok, sree, so what happens if you get bumped off?

You only get bumped as an AUA student if you don't have your immunization titer levels in your hand as you walk into Wyckoff. You also need updated physical exam (within the last year). So, have these. In fact, come to Wyckoff the week before you are scheduled and take care of medical approval ahead of time.

Would you be forced to do a bluebook rotation in peds due to no other options?

No reason to do a blue rotation. Just bring titers to Wyckoff and you will be fine.

I was talking to a freind of mine yesterday and he mentioned that Ross had bought out many spots for wycoff peds and that students like us are going to even have a harder time getting that greenbook ped at wycoff.

Ross bought 60 more spots in Wyckoff, unfortunately for us. That won't make much of a difference for my class, but if AUA doesn't acquire more pediatrics spots, your class will have to go to either San Juan or do non-Green rotations.

So worst case, lets say we lose peds at wycoff due to Ross, then what? I NEED to do all green rotation, ESPECIALLY cores! I really want as many options as possible when it comes to getting lisenced. This kind sucks eh?

You can always go to Puerto Rico. AUA has a fully accredited pediatrics rotation there. It's just six weeks...you can use Craig's list to find some temporary housing and just deal with it somehow and leave.

[octavio]

thanks sree

[aechev]

To do rotations in Puerto Rico, do you have to be fluent in Spanish?

[Sree Cheruku]

wait, is OBGYN not greenbook at wycoff?

Wyckoff hospital isn't listed on the acgme website for OBGYN
It is green. Go to acgme.org/adspublic, search for Ob/Gyn programs in NY, and look under the entry for New York Medical College (Brooklyn-Queens) Program.


To do rotations in Puerto Rico, do you have to be fluent in Spanish?
I think a lot of people in PR speak English, but whether you rotate in NYC, Michigan, Illinois, Baltimore or PR, it pays to know the Spanish translations of frequently used medical terms and phrases. Finally, every hospital has English-Spanish translators.

[MajMD]

hey sree, how's pediatrics and where r u doing it?

[Sree Cheruku]

wyckoff its going good, they gave us a bunch of days off cuz there's some big jcaho inspection and they dont want med students around to mess it up for them
but other than that rly nice rotation, i opted to do half my rotation at st. johns queens cuz its closer to home and they teach rly well over there, hours are nice too 8am - noon, one overnight call in three weeks, 20 question exam at end

peds is by far the best rotation at wyckoff, according to people who did eveyrthing here

[dkb523]

Nevermind, just found it under Brooklyn Hosp. Center....


How about Peds at Wyckoff? On gatornation's list, it's listed as being greenbook, but on the ACGME website it's not.

[Sree Cheruku]

yeah like you said, its green through brooklyn hospital
there's like 95845849085490 students competeting for a spot in this rotation every 6 weeks so I'm confident that it is accredited.

[mcMD1]

So from what I got from this thread, if we wanted to do all GREEN BOOK rotations in NY we can....except Psych?!?? :confused:
Thanks Sree! :D

[NicSTX]

yeah - st elizabeths is the only greenbook site and it takes only 1 student ever 6 weeks. I scheduled mine a year from now. It's that booked. (sometimes you can get lucky though and an earlier spot will pop up - that happened with me and a may spot, but it conflicted with surgery)

[mcMD1]

THANKS for your reply!!! :)

[reality84]

Im currently in the last semester at KMC-IC and thinking of joining the 5th semester in michigan, baltimore, or miami in sept, but have very little info available about it in India. Can someone brief me on it pls and how the selection process is as well as how many seats are available at each of the locations above etc... also What are the advantages of attending a "greenbook" rotation as opposed to "blt book?" Thanks

[Sree Cheruku]

What are the advantages of attending a "greenbook" rotation as opposed to "blt book?"

see the link in my signature. i don't know how aware students in India are about clinical rotations, but you should encourage them to read up on how ACGME-accreditation works - sooner than later. But, your priority now is Step 1. Don't worry about actually scheduling these rotations till you get your score back.

[mcMD1]

Any updates/editing to the list of AUA's Green core rotations listed on the first page?
I am just making sure I request the right hospitals for GREEN cores.
Thanks so much Gatornation, Sree, and anybody else!!!
:D

[guitarheroMD2B]

Any updates/editing to the list of AUA's Green core rotations listed on the first page?
I am just making sure I request the right hospitals for GREEN cores.
Thanks so much Gatornation, Sree, and anybody else!!!
:D

They are adding another hospital soon which you should ask your CC about. Not sure of the details of where the hospital is and what speciality they will have.

Let us know if you have any trouble getting a spot and if there is any wait time.

[gatornation]

word on the aua street's is that 2 more 5th semester sites are in the works: New York and Puerto Rico...only a matter of when

[Edmond_Sept_08]

Hey Sree i was looking through this thread and i wanted to know is there anything we can do to get more green book rotations or is that something that the school can only do? Secondly were there periods of time where you waited and had no rotations, and just sat around waiting?

[Kriterion]

is the peds rotation in Puerto Rico a greenbook rotation?

[Sree Cheruku]

yeah peds in puerto rico is green last time i checked

[octavio]

yeah, i heard about a possible 5th semi in puerto rico.

[md12886]

Dr. H yesterday in anatomy class stated that PR is next 5th sem site for AUA. Now when will it take place, not sure about it. so that makes AUA with four 5th sem sites (dont know the status of Michigan, do we still have it or did we lost after that incident? ) I think its time to update that clinical site list on our website....need more sites especially when we having close to 900 students alone here in antigua (kmcic and transfers would add on to that count). :)