Greenbook Discussion

[medschool22]

Title says it all

here's the list from their website: SABA University - www.saba.edu - international medical university college (http://saba.edu/admissions_curriculum_ha.php)

[iowafarmstud]

Most of their clinicals are greenbook, but there are certain "elective" rotations, such as dermatology for example, that may not have the greenbook stamp of approval.

[medschool22]

Most of their clinicals are greenbook, but there are certain "elective" rotations, such as dermatology for example, that may not have the greenbook stamp of approval.

do you mean that they don't offer a greenbook dermatology rotation (for example) or do you mean that just some of the locations don't offer derm greenbook, but some do?

[iowafarmstud]

They have certain clinical sites that are not greenbook. You can talk with your advisor, and they will do their best to get you all greenbook rotations if you want(you may travel a bit). Also, you can still possibly get into a specialty, such as dermatology, without a greenbook rotation.

[oncojut]

Iowafarmstud is correct! There are core rotation sites that ARE NOT greenbook! And, you really need to research your elective rotations, especially if you are setting them up yourself, to make sure that they are greenbook. If you're going to practice in the US and you know which state you'll be in, you should go to the state medical board website. There you will find their requirements regarding greenbook rotations. Some states require that all of your rotations be greenbook. Other states require only core rotations be greenbook. And, some of them don't give a rat's pooper about greenbook rotations. Just make sure you know what you need and if the rotation you're planning on doing meets your needs.

[genialg]

thats so interesting, I asked my interviewers about if the rotations are ACGME approved...and he specifically stated they are all green book!

[js_paramedic_1979]

The family practice umbrella covers many of the rotations..

[wolfvgang22]

Most of their clinicals are greenbook, but there are certain "elective" rotations, such as dermatology for example, that may not have the greenbook stamp of approval.
All Saba cores are supposed to be at least green book under the family practice umbrella. If you want green book by specialty (usually meaning there is a fellowship in that exact field you are wanting to rotate in at that hospital), then you need to
1.) Ask the clinical coordinator verbally, and
2.) double check the fact yourself on the acgme website, and if you want to be super cautious
3.) call and ask if the acgme listing is up to date

Regarding electives, we are responsible for setting up our own 4th year electives. After looking around a second it seems that getting grenen book electives isn't nearly as hard as obtaining green book core rotations. You can go nearly anywhere for electives it seems - for example I am currently looking into doing all my 4th year electives in my home state of Texas as a visiting student. Looks easy - just fill out an application to get the ball rolling.

[bluezeno]

Hello,

I was wondering if there were any people who have successfully done all their core and elective rotations in hopitals that were ACGME approved and are considered "greenbook by specialty".

Does it take longer to achieve this rotation compared to taking just the cores "Grennbook"? I have heard that if you are able to move frequently and don't need to do rotations back to back that it is possible.

I am single and young so I can move around anywhere I want; however, I would like to graduate medical school in 4 years and be able to take the USMLE after finishing all myrotations. Will not doing rotations back to back effect me from doing this? I guess I'm not exactly sure on what doing "rotations back to back" means.

Thank you

[oncojut]

All of my clinical rotations were greenbook rotations. I DID have to move around alot during my last two years. When people reference "back-to-back" rotations, they're basically saying that they had little to no time between rotations. I did all of my rotations back-to-back with the exception of the three week study period that I took for Step II. The rotations are out there. And, it is possible to do all greenbook rotations quickly. But, you have to be willing to do most of the legwork yourself. Don't expect to do back-to-back greenbook rotations if you leave your scheduling to the school. They just don't have enough affiliations to keep everyone satisfied. I did the research on all of my elective rotations, sent the necessary information, and scheduled the rotation dates before ever contacting the school. This way, all you have to do is call the clinical department and ask them to send the Saba packet that they send to every rotation site that you go to. If you do this, however, you'll need to plan your rotations well in advance in order to give both the school and the rotation site enough time to complete the necessary paperwork

[mtbd]

I know there was a post about that, my I would like to ask a bit different question. I think that all core rotations are green book, but what about electives?
I also wondering who and how you get assigned to a rotation, both core and electives? Do you have to find them by yourself or college doing that for you?
Thanks

[mtbd]

I think, i found the answer already.
Thank anyway

[gianefiasco]

All this arranging of your own rotations seems like a hell of alot of work for someone as lazy as myself.

*sigh*

[bahamianguava]

I completed all my cores only to find out that my peds was not greenbook. So I have to repeat it as elective. Any suggestions on where I can get a greenbook peds rotation. I need it for Florida:confused:

[ducman]

Where did you hear that you needed all greenbook for Florida? Did you contact the Florida Medical Licensing Board?

[PAtoMD]

I completed all my cores only to find out that my peds was not greenbook. So I have to repeat it as elective. Any suggestions on where I can get a greenbook peds rotation. I need it for Florida:confused:

Where did you do Peds that wasn't greenbook if you don't mind me asking. Thanks

[ducman]

Please post all topics related to "Greenbook" rotations here. For an excellent general overview - visit Sree's discussion at

http://www.valuemd.com/aua-medical-school-clinical-forum/139617-what-greenbook-rotation.html

(http://www.valuemd.com/aua-medical-school-clinical-forum/139617-what-greenbook-rotation.html)Many students have questions about specific SUSOM rotations, state requirements for Greenbook, etc... please post questions/comments here.

[mdstudent09]

what do i do if 1 of my cores is not greenbook by specialty, but greenbook under the family practice umbrella, and now that is the specialty i want to apply for residency in? also, i am unsure what state i will practice in, so how do i rectify this ? thanks

[NomadMD]

Hi everyone. I was hoping someone could give me a little info about clinicals and setting up clinicals. I start at Saba this September. How far along during the Basic Sciences do students generally start to arrange their clinicals, or have their rotations set by their advisors? All the clinical rotations are usually all set BEFORE starting, right? Thanks.

[mdstudent09]

the clinical coordinator usually sets them up, she discusses your preferences in a meeting in your 5th semester, so you really dont have to worry about actually setting up your rotations during your time on saba, it might be nice to figure out where you would like to do them though

[NomadMD]

Thanks for the info.

[D.Fish]

what do i do if 1 of my cores is not greenbook by specialty, but greenbook under the family practice umbrella, and now that is the specialty i want to apply for residency in?

MDstudent, or anyone else... do you know what happens in the case quoted above? I'm just curious as to what happens... do you have to repeat the rotation in location that is greenbook approved by specialty?

Thanks!

[futureboy]

I know this is a bit off topic, but is the list of clinical sites on the school website an exhausive list? I would like to do my rotations in Ohio if possible, particularly northeast Ohio. Has anyone heard of Saba students doing Ohio rotations?

[omega's]

I know this is a bit off topic, but is the list of clinical sites on the school website an exhausive list? I would like to do my rotations in Ohio if possible, particularly northeast Ohio. Has anyone heard of Saba students doing Ohio rotations?

Yes, but I believe that student was from the area and had contacts. As far as I know, he set them up himself.

Supposedly, the list is ever-changing. The only way to know for sure is to contact our clinical coordinator.

[krust3]

you can do internal medicine, surgery, and family practice in ohio. check with sandy. i set up the family med site, but it's now a reliable site for us. all 3 are in the same city.

[ngoctranly]

you can do internal medicine, surgery, and family practice in ohio. check with sandy. i set up the family med site, but it's now a reliable site for us. all 3 are in the same city.

Hi krust3,
are these rotation Greenbook?
Thanks

[krust3]

yes. by specialty even. high quality

[Saba5th]

Greenbook by specialty electives.

My questions is, say a hospital has an IM residency program but does not offer any fellowships. If you were to do an elective in oncology, endocrine, cards, etc. is it considered greenbook by specialty?

I thought it would be considered greenbook by specialty but I hear that it is not, it must have a fellowship in that specialty to be considered greenbook by specialty. Does anyone know?

[KingMo]

Greenbook by specialty electives.

My questions is, say a hospital has an IM residency program but does not offer any fellowships. If you were to do an elective in oncology, endocrine, cards, etc. is it considered greenbook by specialty?

I thought it would be considered greenbook by specialty but I hear that it is not, it must have a fellowship in that specialty to be considered greenbook by specialty. Does anyone know?

That would not be greenbook by specialty rotation. It could fall under the internal medicine umbrella, but I don't even know if that formality really exists.

[Saba5th]

That would not be greenbook by specialty rotation. It could fall under the internal medicine umbrella, but I don't even know if that formality really exists.

So states that require all rotations greenbook by specialty would not allow someone's electives to be at places that did not have fellowships in that elective?

Basically, If I do electives in say GI and Cards at a place with an IM residency but the hospital does not have any fellowships, will ANY state deny licensure based on not having all rotations greenbook by specialty?

Seems like scheduling electives is going to be complicated for me if that is the case.

Thanks.

[rokshana]

there is no such thing as an IM umbrella...the IM subspecialites would not be seen as greenbook by specialty if a state requires that...

some places will list an IM sub specialty elective as an IM rotation...do be careful about that, the pickier states may not accept the rotation.