Heads up! Saba has no Peds...

[remart]

Seems the rumors are true. With the passing of Lincoln, Saba apparently has no greenbook-for-specialty Peds rotations. This will be a problem in several states. So be careful...

[miasma]

are u in clinicals right now? or did you just hear this? just wondering...

[BTH]

Salutations "remart":

Where did you hear this news? I know that Lincoln is no longer Saba friendly but I completed my pediatrics rotation at Brookdale Hospital in Brooklyn, New York. There are other Saba students who also just completed their pediatrics rotation here as well. Please clarify.

[facetguy]

I know that Lincoln is no longer Saba friendly...

Why not? How do these relationships between a school (e.g., Saba) and a hospital (e.g., Lincoln) work? Is it a money thing, or is the hospital saying something about a school's students?

[Reactant]

Why not? How do these relationships between a school (e.g., Saba) and a hospital (e.g., Lincoln) work? Is it a money thing, or is the hospital saying something about a school's students?

Very good question. I'm very interested to know.
At the University of Ontario, the uni did not pay the hospitals. Rather, the hospitals were more than happy to accept the nursing students who worked for free. When we were looking for final year placements, school recognition and student's profile played a huge part in getting a spot in a specialty floor like emergency and ICU.

[js_paramedic_1979]

Children's Hospitals and Clinics of MN

[rokshana]

Why not? How do these relationships between a school (e.g., Saba) and a hospital (e.g., Lincoln) work? Is it a money thing, or is the hospital saying something about a school's students?

schools sign contracts with different hospitals and pay a fee for each student that is placed there....you didn't think these places do it for free did you?

[facetguy]

No, they wouldn't be doing it for free. But why would Saba discontinue this financial relationship? Or did Lincoln discontinue the relationship? And if so, why? That's what I was asking.

[rokshana]

No, they wouldn't be doing it for free. But why would Saba discontinue this financial relationship? Or did Lincoln discontinue the relationship? And if so, why? That's what I was asking.


lincoln, in particular, is an HHC hospital- its exclusive to sgu now.

[facetguy]

lincoln, in particular, is an HHC hospital- its exclusive to sgu now.

Gotcha. Hopefully, losing clinical affiliates won't be a trend for Saba in the future.

[remart]

I am in clinicals right now, and I have researched this myself after months of evasive replies from the Saba clinical office. Lincoln Hospital contracted out to St. George's exclusively, to begin 1/1/2008, despite prior reassurances to the contrary from Dr. *. Saba apparently refused to try to outbid St. George's for the rights, or to bid at all for that matter. As for Brookdale, they, too, have been bought out by St. George's, with an unclear time frame. Some Saba students may manage to sneak in before the end of the year, but it is highly doubtful that the relationship will continue in 2009. As for Minnesota, the hospitals there are strictly community. There are no academic affiliations, the requirement for 'greenbook-for-specialty'. (Remember, the mere presence of residents means nothing.) Also, keep these same requirements in mind when choosing your ob/gyn. St. Anthony's in Chicago, for example, a popular Caribbean-friendly haven, is NOT greenbook-for-specialty. Michael Reese Hospital apparently still is, but they are on the verge of bankruptcy. The bottom line is that we as the students, in addition to putting in 12-16 hour days, frequent overnight calls, studying for Steps, paying thousands of dollars to do so, and having to move from town to town every 6 weeks, must now also be highly vigilant regarding the ACTUAL status of our rotations. Talk to the coordinators at the hospitals where you are or where you are going, and be very specific with your questions. These coordinators are usually much more frank about policies and owning up to accreditations than our own. They are also generally much more helpful than our own. Sorry to present a disheartening picture, but it is what it is. Remember, Saba has recently more than doubled its student intake, while its clinical affiliations have decreased. It's tough to say how many have been lost, since the clinical department continues to list affiliations that no longer exist (e.g., Lincoln) or that never did exist (e.g. Bakersfield, CA). Personally, I'm looking to transfer. Good luck...

[rokshana]

well, IMHO, i don't think that saba really could have bid for the HHC contract- for one, 100 million was probably steep even for sgu and more importantly, two, the contract would have been for 600 clinical spots per year- from my understanding, saba doesn't put out that high a number of clinical students in a year- really would think ross and sgu (maybe auc if they upped there numbers) would be the only ones to realistically bid on the contract.

[facetguy]

So would it be an overstatement to say that Saba (and its students) is in trouble re: clinicals? If true, this sounds like a pretty serious situation, serious enough to make a prospective student want to steer clear. It's been said many times within these forums that Ross is in similar trouble regarding clinicals. Can we now add Saba to that list too?

[golfman]

So let me get this straight, Out of everyone that is in clinicals right now, one guy comes on here and starts screaming FIRE and so now we have no peds rotations? That is interesting. I am not doubting that you are having a hard time with locating a greenbook peds spot, but if this were a systemwide problem there would be more talk than 1 person. There are plenty of people who have already done or are doing peds at a greenbook site.

[facetguy]

I would just like to know if Saba is in the process of losing some of its previous clinical facilities. Simple question. Whether or not anyone has that info, who knows. But obviously, that would be useful information to those of us going through the applications process.

And, if Saba has lost some of its clinical affiliations, for example to SGU, is there a plan in the works to add some others in the same geographical area?

I, for one, am not pressing any panic button. I'd just like to know all the details before I jump in.

[excited7356]

oh my god!!! is this true?!!! i am getting scared now... can someone please clarify this issue and let everyone the facts about clinical rotations by SABA?????????? i am really worried now........someone please help.....thanks...

[Gigi25]

I am in clinicals right now, and I have researched this myself after months of evasive replies from the Saba clinical office. Lincoln Hospital contracted out to St. George's exclusively, to begin 1/1/2008, despite prior reassurances to the contrary from xx, Saba clinical head and Andersen Consulting employee. Saba apparently refused to try to outbid St. George's for the rights, or to bid at all for that matter. As for Brookdale, they, too, have been bought out by St. George's, with an unclear time frame. Some Saba students may manage to sneak in before the end of the year, but it is highly doubtful that the relationship will continue in 2009. As for Minnesota, the hospitals there are strictly community. There are no academic affiliations, the requirement for 'greenbook-for-specialty'. (Remember, the mere presence of residents means nothing.) Also, keep these same requirements in mind when choosing your ob/gyn. St. Anthony's in Chicago, for example, a popular Caribbean-friendly haven, is NOT greenbook-for-specialty. Michael Reese Hospital apparently still is, but they are on the verge of bankruptcy. The bottom line is that we as the students, in addition to putting in 12-16 hour days, frequent overnight calls, studying for Steps, paying thousands of dollars to do so, and having to move from town to town every 6 weeks, must now also be highly vigilant regarding the ACTUAL status of our rotations. Talk to the coordinators at the hospitals where you are or where you are going, and be very specific with your questions. These coordinators are usually much more frank about policies and owning up to accreditations than our own. They are also generally much more helpful than our own. Sorry to present a disheartening picture, but it is what it is. Remember, Saba has recently more than doubled its student intake, while its clinical affiliations have decreased. It's tough to say how many have been lost, since the clinical department continues to list affiliations that no longer exist (e.g., Lincoln) or that never did exist (e.g. Bakersfield, CA). Personally, I'm looking to transfer. Good luck...


Where are you getting your information??? Children's in Minnesota is academically affiliated with the University of Minnesota school of medicine. It IS greenbook and as a matter of fact if you do your peds rotation there you will rotate with US medical students. Also, we still have Wykcoff which is greenbook for peds under the the Brooklyn Hospital Center, which is directly affiliated with Weil Cornell School of medicine. I personally, had no problems getting my core rotations set up exactly as wanted..

[cavalletti]

. Remember, Saba has recently more than doubled its student intake, while its clinical affiliations have decreased. .

Did class size double after the new owners/administration took over? Do they have a plan to provide clinical rotations for larger classes? This must be of concern for perspectives applying now.

[Experienced]

So let me get this straight, Out of everyone that is in clinicals right now, one guy comes on here and starts screaming FIRE and so now we have no peds rotations? That is interesting. I am not doubting that you are having a hard time with locating a greenbook peds spot, but if this were a systemwide problem there would be more talk than 1 person. There are plenty of people who have already done or are doing peds at a greenbook site.

Thanks Golf for some perspective here. It would certainly be a shame for any prospective students to have concerns about the competency and foresight of those who have made SUSM a certified success, or for current clinical students to consider transferring, based solely on an unsubtantiated rumor posted on valueMD. Let's have some trust, folks, based on the track record of a medical school that is recognised by many (including the chancellor of the venerable St. George's) as one of the top four medical schools in the Caribbean.

E.

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[facetguy]

Edit in progress...

[ducman]

Flaming users shall not be tolerated. Also, this thread shall be closed if users do not stay on topic:

The original topic of the thread assumed that SUSOM does not have any more greenbook Peds clerkships.

This is erroneous as we indeed have University of Minnesota which actually has a great peds residency program! Two current Saba students, jsparamedic and gigi, attempted to provide valuable, relevant info in regards to the clinical sites, but again these threads seem to deteriorate into flame contests!

[wolfvgang22]

Seems the rumors are true. With the passing of Lincoln, Saba apparently has no greenbook-for-specialty Peds rotations. This will be a problem in several states. So be careful...
Very amusing, being as I am just finishing up greenbook peds here at childrens hospital minneapolis. :rolleyes:

p.s.- best rotation...ever

[js_paramedic_1979]

I thought you would like it... I'll be in Rochester on Monday for an interview.. I bet the temp will be nice and chilly!!

[Gigi25]

I thought you would like it... I'll be in Rochester on Monday for an interview.. I bet the temp will be nice and chilly!!

Good luck on your interview!!! What specialty are you going for (if you don't mind me asking)?

[summerwind]

Very amusing, being as I am just finishing up greenbook peds here at childrens hospital minneapolis. :rolleyes:

p.s.- best rotation...ever

I guess the issue is that Saba lost two hospitals to SGU and class sizes are increasing. If new clinical sites are not added there will be a problem with greenbook rotations.

[min3birdie]

Seems the rumors are true. With the passing of Lincoln, Saba apparently has no greenbook-for-specialty Peds rotations. This will be a problem in several states. So be careful...

Brookdale Hospital in NY is greenbook, don't talk about things unless you know them for sure. This is exactly what you say it is, a rumor.
If you don't know something, call Saba and ask them.