Family Practice Elective at Wykoff

[goodmd2010]

I'm starting Family Practice at Wykoff (my very first rotation). Could anyonne offer their advice on what to read, bring and expect at this site or even just the FP rotation in general? Also if anyone knows the kind of schedule I will have, could you please offer some input too? :)

Thanks in advance!!

[gellerf]

I did that rotation this summer, and it was actually pretty good. However, the problem for you is that it is your first rotation and FP is a combination of IM, Peds, and some OBGYN. Therefore, I would recommend that you buy First Aid for the Wards which will tell you what is expected of you on the floors as well as basic info regarding peds (age markers, immunization schedule ect.) Also, I would recommend using this rotation to learn how to do a full H & P and write a proper progress note since you will need to know how do it from now on.

As for reading about diseases, you can use either the blueprint series for the PEDS or OB or the kaplan books. As for the medicine part, I read step up to medicine, but if you have time the CMDT and washington manual are much better. Whatever source you use, just remember to read about the conditions that your patients have first, and then read everything else.

As for the hours, when I was there, it was divided into 2 weeks floors, 2 weeks outpatient, and 2 weeks nights. I am not sure if it still works that way.

Hope this helps.

[Scientific]

I did it at Wyckoff and sad to say I was VERY dissappointed. Good thing is that FP is practically the same as Internal Med. Wyckoff is a poor teaching hospital in general (they didn't allow students to do any clinical procedures, residents/attendings don't really teach (i swear the attending didn't know my name the whole time), there are way too many students (there were about 10 in my group alone, I think about 20-25 doing FP all together). What I did learn, I learned from the 4th year students who were there so take advantage of that while you are there. There is a ton of free time and they'll be studying for Step II so see if they can teach you a thing or two. But on the brighter side, it's an incredibly easy rotation and you'll get a good grade for sure. You'll get some practice doing a SOAP note and you'll learn somewhat of what the general daily routine of a medical student is.....sort of...

The daily schedule there for the clinic is you are there either from 8am-12pm or 12pm-6pm (I think??), on the floors 7am-4pm, and nights 7pm-7am. When you're on call, you're only there until 7pm and you basically just watch the residents do the H&Ps...that is IF any patients come in during that time..it's a waste of time. Anywho, for the floors, your day is as follows: 7am- Sign in, 7-11am - go see your patients and write your notes(students get only 2 patients at a time so you'll have PLENTY of time to finish). After you finish your notes you can get breakfast, study, go for a tour of NYC or whatever until rounds at 11 (or 12...I don't remember). Now rounds are just disgustingly ridiculous. It took a good 3 hours for our attending to round on patients and the whole time it's just her talking to the residents with the students OUTSIDE THE ROOM waiting......dying.....drooling... Bring something to read.. Then after rounds you literally sit around in the FP room until 4pm. That's it.

In the clinic you stand around, and watch the residents do their H&P. Sometimes if it's really busy the attending will let you do it, but I can count on one hand how many times I did one and they don't even use students' notes in the clinic so again, it's a waste of time.

Now nights, if Dr. Hinds comes in, you'll actually get to learn some stuff and go on rounds with him. If not, you hang around and do scut, watch the residents do H&Ps (and even get woken up at 4am to WATCH residents do H&Ps !!!!!:evil:)sleep, play on the computer, go out to dinner etc until 7am rolls around

As far as studying, FP is 90% Internal medicine with about 10% peds/OB patients. Get the Kaplan Internal Medicine notes and start studying that because it's a lot of material and Kaplan is on point with the info. If you know Kaplan cold, you'll ace the IM shelf.

[TheAlchemist]

its nice to see our ever-increasing tuition is used wisely

[aychamo]

Wyckoff is a pit. I wrote a big post about the illegal things they do there, but I am not sure if I should post it.

[levator]

Stop!!! Step Away From Wyckoff... Its A Trick!!! Dont Do It!!!

[goodmd2010]

Thanks again guys for the honest information...hopefully I will learn a little something!!:)

[DrX]

Are students doing the FM core and elective all lumped into the same rotation or is it a different rotation for the core vs. elective students?

[aychamo]

Same rotation

[DrX]

A couple of Qs:

1. Do you get adequate exposure to the different aspects of family med (IM, OB/GYN, PEDS) in this rotation?

2. Do you get adequate interaction with attendings to be able to get a letter of recommendation?

[DrX]

A couple of Qs:

1. Do you get adequate exposure to the different aspects of family med (IM, OB/GYN, PEDS) in this rotation?

2. Do you get adequate interaction with attendings to be able to get a letter of recommendation?


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Anyone??

[Scientific]

No and No. Wyckoff is an awful hospital. DO NOT GO THERE. Seriously, you won't learn, and there will be 10 or more students in your group thus attendings won't get to know you so kiss any non-generic letters of recommendation goodbye.

[marcus "the gun" pupil]

Who grades you? Is it hard to get an A in wykoff FM?