Help...China medical university!!

[Koolshane]

Hi,I am new to valuemd.Well,I am looking forward for getting admission to CMU,Shenyang.Is this a good choice?and its english programme for MBBS skilled?Is the english program CMU internationaly known because i look forward for residency at US or the UK.Well,according to my knowledge CMU had been teaching in english for 27 years.Then why hasnt its foreign student population increased? Please advise...looking forward for an advise..especially from current students in CMU..


Thanks,please reply soon

[GeneralSurgeon]

hello i'am also searching for admission in tmu i think it's great just look for shadow's posts you'll find many answers it also has mbbs in english

[Koolshane]

yess but i m particularly looking for CMU

[benesan]

oh gosh, if you really want to do residency in the UK or US, your even better off going in India,Phillipines, Caribbean and Australia. Honestly, the reason no one goes to China for MBBS is because the programs there are genuinely hideous. Forget audible english to be spoken there, let alone communicating with locals and patients. Hence, if your actually serious about going to china, think about Hong Kong, Taiwan or the places I said earlier if you wish to gain a decent education with liklihood of obtaining lucrative UK or US residencies.

[shadow7]

China medical is a good school, but its english program is not 27 years old. it started in 2005. So no one has graduated from the english program yet.
Many Chinese students hv been gettin residencies in the US from different schools every year for a long time nw, so it isnt a problem for foreign students however a very high USMLE score is required. The english program is known.

Hi,I am new to valuemd.Well,I am looking forward for getting admission to CMU,Shenyang.Is this a good choice?and its english programme for MBBS skilled?Is the english program CMU internationaly known because i look forward for residency at US or the UK.Well,according to my knowledge CMU had been teaching in english for 27 years.Then why hasnt its foreign student population increased? Please advise...looking forward for an advise..especially from current students in CMU..


Thanks,please reply soon

[Koolshane]

Oh well but the brochures say since 27 years english programme has been established and they have been teaching to foreign students almost 25 years from now.. as u say it started in 2005....could you please attach a reference to it

[shadow7]

I know some students at CMU, and i got to know from them that it started in 2005, and there are currently only 3 batches under the english program.

Oh well but the brochures say since 27 years english programme has been established and they have been teaching to foreign students almost 25 years from now.. as u say it started in 2005....could you please attach a reference to it

[benesan]

lol, the english program isnt even a decade old. there are no english MBBS grads yet, hence the most ackground u get ob chinese MBBS grads are from long-established institutes taught in Mandarin. Have you considered learning chinese?

[medicoanita]

Hi,I am new to valuemd.Well,I am looking forward for getting admission to CMU,Shenyang.Is this a good choice?and its english programme for MBBS skilled?Is the english program CMU internationaly known because i look forward for residency at US or the UK.Well,according to my knowledge CMU had been teaching in english for 27 years.Then why hasnt its foreign student population increased? Please advise...looking forward for an advise..especially from current students in CMU..


Thanks,please reply soon
I am a strudent at CMU. CMU had been teaching in English for 28 years. We were told that at first they taught students of China in English and then of Korea, Japan then gradually of other countries in Asia and then Africa and now we all came from North America (US & Canada).
CMU is rated the best among English medium schools. If you are from North America for admission you need to contact the recruiting firm American Dream Abroad at 209. 832.3111 in US. We all did. Many graduate doctors of CMU have been practising in USA. Teaching at China Medical University is far better than any other / all other English medium schools in China. Of course the low tuition fee in the world and being able to get into after high school are quite attractive for us, right ? If you have a lot of money (may be upto $400,000) and are did PreMed already and be able to get high MCAT score you can go to US Medical School. CMU is the best option if you dont have that much money and no PreMed degree and not high GPA and No MCAT.

[medicoanita]

I am a strudent at CMU. CMU had been teaching in English for 28 years. We were told that at first they taught students of China in English and then of Korea, Japan then gradually of other countries in Asia and then Africa and now we all came from North America (US & Canada).
CMU is rated the best among English medium schools. If you are from North America for admission you need to contact the recruiting firm American Dream Abroad at 209. 832.3111 in US. We all did. Many graduate doctors of CMU have been practising in USA. Teaching at China Medical University is far better than any other / all other English medium schools in China. Of course the low tuition fee in the world and being able to get into after high school are quite attractive for us, right ? If you have a lot of money (may be upto $400,000) and are did PreMed already and be able to get high MCAT score you can go to US Medical School. CMU is the best option if you dont have that much money and no PreMed degree and not high GPA and No MCAT.
I was offered admission at TMU and CMU (both in China) by the recruiters American Dream Abroad in US. I was tossing and took CMU. It is upto the taker. Both are good schools. CMU and TMU are in the top rated schools in China for English medium schools. The teachers have a little accent but this is the best bet in the given circumstances.
If I can afford, get high GPA and get admission in a US school, I would go to US school, of course. I did not have ** degree and I did not have high GPA. I did not take MCAT. Given the limited options I opted for foreign schools. I chose the best schools in China for Medicine in English medium with low cost medical education. I do not regret at all. I am happy this is the best in China. You will get as much Medical knowledge as you want any where in any school. After all it is human body. How medical school can teach you differently ? Any way it all depends on the individual, I believe. There are no short cuts for success in any field. We have to be practical in life. What else we can do ? Make the most out of what you have.

[Koolshane]

Then why are they having only 3 batches??? *confused*

[dt]

I am a strudent at CMU. CMU had been teaching in English for 28 years. We were told that at first they taught students of China in English and then of Korea, Japan then gradually of other countries in Asia and then Africa and now we all came from North America (US & Canada).
CMU is rated the best among English medium schools. If you are from North America for admission you need to contact the recruiting firm American Dream Abroad at 209. 832.3111 in US. We all did. Many graduate doctors of CMU have been practising in USA. Teaching at China Medical University is far better than any other / all other English medium schools in China. Of course the low tuition fee in the world and being able to get into after high school are quite attractive for us, right ? If you have a lot of money (may be upto $400,000) and are did PreMed already and be able to get high MCAT score you can go to US Medical School. CMU is the best option if you dont have that much money and no PreMed degree and not high GPA and No MCAT.

Statement in bold makes no sense to me. 28 years ago = 1979. Why would Chinese students in China be taught in English in the 1970's? China was very closed back then, and hardly any foreigners save the brave ones went to China. There would hardly be a need for English since none of the Chinese high schools students going through their school system were taught in English.


If anyone wants to go to CMU I am sure you can apply directly to them and save the agency fee (for eg, American Dream Abroad).

Here is the webpage for CMU:
China Medical University (http://www.cmu.edu.cn/eng/2005011901.htm)
The contact info is at bottom of page.

[dt]

Also, at this webpage
¡¶ÖйúÒ½¿Æ´óѧÍâ¹úÀ´»ª×Ô·ÑѧϰÉêÇë±í¡·(Chinese and English version) (http://www.cmu.edu.cn/cmu/viewpage.aspx?lmid=264&pageid=1535)
there is a link to "CHINA MEDICAL UNIVERSITY Application Form for Foreign Students Intending to Study in China at Their Own Expenses"

If you dont understand the webpage at CMU site, use a translator -- google has one.



If medicoanita is really a student at CMU, he/she should have had dealt with the International/Overseas Student Office when he/she first arrived at CMU, and can confirm the mailing address of the office.

[dt]

There are quite a few universities in China that teaches in English.

For example,
Sichuan University (http://www.scu.org.cn/College&School/WCM2.asp)
MBBS Program (http://en.jlu.edu.cn/admissions/medical.htm)
Programs taught in English (http://www.hust.edu.cn/english/academic/english/default.htm)
ÄÏͨ´óѧ-Ó¢ÎÄ°æ (http://english.ntu.edu.cn/studyatntu/index.htm)



All these universities listed above can be applied to directly (thereby bypassing the useless fee of the agents).

[shadow7]

This fact seems completely true. there was no need for chinese students to study in english back then. So this information doesn seem right. from what i know, the english program for foreign students was intiated at CMU in 2005 hence 3 batches, so no one has graduated yet.

Statement in bold makes no sense to me. 28 years ago = 1979. Why would Chinese students in China be taught in English in the 1970's? China was very closed back then, and hardly any foreigners save the brave ones went to China. There would hardly be a need for English since none of the Chinese high schools students going through their school system were taught in English.


If anyone wants to go to CMU I am sure you can apply directly to them and save the agency fee (for eg, American Dream Abroad).

Here is the webpage for CMU:
China Medical University (http://www.cmu.edu.cn/eng/2005011901.htm)
The contact info is at bottom of page.

[Koolshane]

But the english program is good right?

[shadow7]

But the english program is good right?

Its 3 years old... how good can it be. why wud u choose a new program, when there is a program which is much older and has been dealing with foregin students longer.

[Koolshane]

so then why is CMU considered a good bet for english programe if its not nice...??

[Koolshane]

Hey Shadow you said you know a few students at CMU english programme... are they happy with the classes and everything?

[shadow7]

so then why is CMU considered a good bet for english programe if its not nice...??


its an upcoming school... bt there are more established ones....

[shadow7]

Hey Shadow you said you know a few students at CMU english programme... are they happy with the classes and everything?

They are happy but sme of them like u thought that the program was 27 years old and didn know that they were either the 2nd or 3rd batch of foreign studetns entering till they got there and then they regreted as to y they didn choose another school which has been teachin for longer.

[Koolshane]

Yo! shadow thanks buddy for all the info...It was really valueable thanks 1ce again...

[shadow7]

Yo! shadow thanks buddy for all the info...It was really valueable thanks 1ce again...

No problem... hope u make the best decision.

[stillapplying]

I am a strudent at CMU. CMU had been teaching in English for 28 years. We were told that at first they taught students of China in English and then of Korea, Japan then gradually of other countries in Asia and then Africa and now we all came from North America (US & Canada).
CMU is rated the best among English medium schools. If you are from North America for admission you need to contact the recruiting firm American Dream Abroad at 209. 832.3111 in US. We all did. Many graduate doctors of CMU have been practising in USA. Teaching at China Medical University is far better than any other / all other English medium schools in China. Of course the low tuition fee in the world and being able to get into after high school are quite attractive for us, right ? If you have a lot of money (may be upto $400,000) and are did PreMed already and be able to get high MCAT score you can go to US Medical School. CMU is the best option if you dont have that much money and no PreMed degree and not high GPA and No MCAT.

What a load this is. As others pointed out the history makes no sense. Medicoanita, are you really from North America with writing like that? At the very least you didn't live there long or you went to a woefully inadequate school.

You absolutely DO NOT need to go through American Dream Abroad and not even close to every one from NA used them. Just apply directly to the school using the info in the links already provided by others.

The program is fine although many of the students in the English language program are not serious at all and in no way, shape or form resemble medical students in North America as per their study habits. (I can say from personal experience that the Eng med students' in class behaviour is, at times, disgracefully disrespectful to the professors.) Students in the Chinese medium program are another matter. I'm not sure about the Japanese language medium.

The students in the English language medium are not requireed to learn as much as are their countrparts in the Chinese lang prog. The content is not too far off, though, with the biggest deficit being with respect to math requirements.

The school is fine and the program is better this year than two years ago but still has some kinks. Medical education in China at one of China's better medical programs, among which CMU is most definitely included, is quite good if learning in Chinese. But, the students in the English language program are in general not at all well received by patients as they mostly speak in only very poor Chinese.

As of right now it is very easy to pass in the English language program at CMU with only the laziest of the lazy getting kicked out.

[shadow7]

Alot of stuff your sayin is true, but does not apply to all students studyin in China. There are some students who do very well here, learn alot from the lectures and pick up good chinese. There are the others that u cme across who make u think, are they actually doc material.

The good students take the maximum out of lects, they gain alot of knowledge and with the effort they put in are comparable to students in other med skls in the world.

You dont need to apply thru any agency to get admission, direct application is possible and saves alot of money.

The standard at TMU has been increasing every year and its becomin quite difficult to pass exams with good grades.
In time to come the english med programs in some of the established schools in China will be spoken abt with the same regard as other programs.
Those hu fail to realise and see this are blinded by the bad things abt the place(which all schools no matter how old and prestigious they are hv) and are not interested and positive to see the better side.

What a load this is. As others pointed out the history makes no sense. Medicoanita, are you really from North America with writing like that? At the very least you didn't live there long or you went to a woefully inadequate school.

You absolutely DO NOT need to go through American Dream Abroad and not even close to every one from NA used them. Just apply directly to the school using the info in the links already provided by others.

The program is fine although many of the students in the English language program are not serious at all and in no way, shape or form resemble medical students in North America as per their study habits. (I can say from personal experience that the Eng med students' in class behaviour is, at times, disgracefully disrespectful to the professors.) Students in the Chinese medium program are another matter. I'm not sure about the Japanese language medium.

The students in the English language medium are not requireed to learn as much as are their countrparts in the Chinese lang prog. The content is not too far off, though, with the biggest deficit being with respect to math requirements.

The school is fine and the program is better this year than two years ago but still has some kinks. Medical education in China at one of China's better medical programs, among which CMU is most definitely included, is quite good if learning in Chinese. But, the students in the English language program are in general not at all well received by patients as they mostly speak in only very poor Chinese.

As of right now it is very easy to pass in the English language program at CMU with only the laziest of the lazy getting kicked out.

[texas74]

I am a student at TMU, Every year about 50% of the teachers english is not good. The other 50 % is surprisingly not bad. The majority of the chinese teachers have had some expierence abroad in research or teaching. If you want to pass the USMLE you must work ten time harder than you will to have to pass the school exams. The school exams are difficult but if you attend the lecture you pretty much know what the teachers are going to ask on the exam, making the exams easier. I would say 50% percent of the students don't attend the classes.

I also warn you do not go throught agents, you can get admission into these schools without an agent. This american dream abroad, charges you 1000 dollars application fee, 10,000 dollars tuition , then a 25,000 dollars consultant fee. the total will be 36,000 dollars. and then you have to pay the school every year a 300 dollar labratory fee. The agency will tell you they will help you the entire way but they won't. the agency may mention some negative things about TMU its only because he got into a yelling match with the dean. This is what we were told by the school administration.

The impression that you will get from the school's international department is that they only care about money, its not entirely true the teachers are extremely nice and very helpful, and so are the international departments administration and the dean, they care for your education.

There are some USMLE courses being taught by a private firm. They cost about 100 dollars per course that last about one month per subject. Right know a 6 month pathology course is going on, the cost is 800 rmb per month, which is a about 100 bucks per month.

Also in china, you don't have to worry about being ripped off by any one, or any safety problems. The most you might have to deal with trying to get your security depoist back from you land lord which is usualy one months rent.

I should also mention, that learning the language is imperative. if you don't learn to read and wright chinese you will have problems in your fifth year internship. At the hosiptal, all the charts are in chinese and you must also wright in chinese. Alot of students have come and studied chinese for one year before starting the med program.

[texas74]

From what i have been told by the teachers, the tests and the content that the chinese students and the interntional students study are the same. They even use some of the same english powerpoint presentaions for the chinese class that they use in the english classes. TMU is trying very hard to familiarize the chinese students with english medical terms, as more and more research is being done in english with cooperation with English medical universities. The teachers have told me that the chinese students do work harder than the international students.

[shadow7]

IU Opt International Programs: Tianjin, China (http://www.opt.indiana.edu/programs/interntl/tianjin.htm)
Indiana University School of Optometry International Programs: Tianjin Medical University in Tianjin, PR China.

(China) M. D. Anderson announces collaboration with Tianjin Medical University Cancer Institute and Hospital :: BiotechEast - Biotechnology, medical devices and pharmaceuticals in Taiwan and Greater China :: (http://www.biotecheast.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1343&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&topic=2)
M. D. Anderson announces collaboration with Tianjin Medical University Cancer Institute and Hospital
(Press Release)
7 June 2006

OBGYN.net Professor Phillips Recognized for his work with Tianjin Medical University (http://www.obgyn.net/displaytranscript.asp?page=/avtranscripts/AAGL2002-JPhillips)
American Association of Gynecological Laparoscopists (AAGL)
Prof. Jordan Phillips, MD, PhD, Interviewed about his contributions to TMU and TMU's sister links with his university, University of California, Irvine.

[Conway]

Just curious, how are students evaluated at Chinese medical schools? Are exams similar to North American ones in that there are multiple exams throughout the semester, or is there just a midterm and a final like many Asian systems?

[shadow7]

Its like the Asian system. There is a midterm and final. The midterm grades are added to the final grade. There is also lecture attendance which goes towards the grade and lab reports.

Just curious, how are students evaluated at Chinese medical schools? Are exams similar to North American ones in that there are multiple exams throughout the semester, or is there just a midterm and a final like many Asian systems?

[Conway]

Thanks! What format are the exams? Essays, MCQs, etc? What about the clinical aspect? It'd be near impossible to do that section in English if you aren't fluent in Mandarin (or Cantonese, if you're in the south, or whichever local dialect)

[texas74]

yes if you don't learn how read and right chinese language, it will be near impossible to do the clinicals, but the doctors that will be with you on rotation can speak engish. The tests are combination or MCQs, essay, fill in the blank, True/False. also for peoples information it is a 5.5 year course in TMU. The last year is an internship year. the degree is an MBBS

[Conway]

Cool. I hear some other places also have programs in English now, including Sun Yat-Sen University in Guangzhou, and others.

[texas74]

One thing about some of the medical schools in china, is that the majority of them are new and many of them have not had any graduating classes. if you decide to come to china for mbbs you must find out how many graduating classes they have had under the english curriculum. Also do not get fooled by how the campus looks, most colleges in china are extremly nice campuses with fancy architecture. What matters is the quality of teaching in english, the expierences of the teachers teaching in english and thier expierence abroad.

Also many of the schools international department are understaffed, if you compare them to the staff at any university in America.

[shadow7]

The administration standard at Chinese med skls cannot be compared to the administration of an American University yet... they will take time to reach such a standard. However some of the skls are doing pretty good, compared to other med skls in china. So wen deciding to study here, pick the skl with the best background and experience.

[dr.sriv]

well i am silent since long time though i see many post related the study standard in china....but just avoid them but here i think i shud say something............

well i am studing in china medical university....and i belong to that batch which came first time in cmu 3 years back to study much hyped M.B.** program.so i think i m da right persona to talk about cmu.and other thing is i have been to almost 22 university across mainland as well hongkong,so i have clear picture about whats da standard here................

first of all before coming here u must convince urself that u r going china ....not u.k or u.s.a.so dont overexpect
second thing wherever u go all around the globe its only u who does all effort not ur professor,so simply dont blame proffs
3rd deffinately being a non-eglish country dont expect everybody out here are fluent in english......its too much.................improve ur PUTONG HUA(CHINESE,THERE IS A PHRASE HER lai zhonguo shuo zhonguo, laopan zhe she zhonguo bu she meiguo......COME TO CHINA SPEAK CHINESE....BOSS THIS IS CHINA NOT AMERICA).
SO THESE THINGS ARE PREREQUISITE,NOW COME AT THE MAIN PONT

the study standard------deffinately its not as much good as u have in backhome...but still its manageble.u see its not expensive as it is in u.s...........teaching is somehow ok.
then duration is less comparision to u.s or south asian countries.
clinicals are good.....just u need to brush up lil bit chinese..........at least so that u could interact to patients(as i do......here one thing u notice u dont have to be HU ZIN TAO...u just have to be a doc so litlle bit is ok..dont waste ur time in overlearning of chinese).
and because whatever the books they use these al are same what u studing in prestigeous :rolleyes:med schools.....so regarding study matterials no question mark....and whatever our professors give in powerpoint slides those materials are outstanding........
but at the end of day its only u who has to win or lose the race.its all upto u what and where u want to see urself after course..............so those who are studing for their goal they have no prob because they are working hard,,,,,,,,,and ppl who came for enjoyment (for ur info i would like to tell u the proportion of this category:rolleyes:is more than 60%) they are penalizing.
so its not right to say that study and passing is quite easy here,its easy or tough as much as anywhere.

still if u gotta doubt about med schools in china.................:p ask me ...i wud like to use my broca's and vernicke's area:D...

agin i would like to say dont compare with american med schools....this is china dear...............make ur mind first....i hope ur hippocampus is working properly:rolleyes:

[dt]

well i am silent since long time though i see many post related the study standard in china....but just avoid them but here i think i shud say something............

well i am studing in china medical university....and i belong to that batch which came first time in cmu 3 years back to study much hyped M.B.** program.so i think i m da right persona to talk about cmu.and other thing is i have been to almost 22 university across mainland as well hongkong,so i have clear picture about whats da standard here................




22 universities? How do you find the time when you're at med school studying? And why did you visit 22 schools?

[dr.sriv]

u know what here we get bit longer vacation and in mean while so far i travelled around 10 provinces here(the main cities).so thats not a big deal.............and 3 yrs are big duration and main thing is i just wanted to find out hows the system are in various uni...and i got a lots of frenz from my homeland ...........tahts y it wasnt a big deal................:)

[dr.sriv]

first of all the program is 28 years old and its true.wana chek go through W.H.O website(if u wana cross chek)....and here are two kind of program running one 5 years program which is in chinese,and one is 7 years masters program which is exclusive in english and its running since 28yrs......but....BUT here i come at right point ..THESE BOTH PROGRAM ARE FOR SCHOLORSHIP EXCHANGE STUDENTS FROM VARIOUS COUNTRIES AS WELL AS NATIVE CHINEAE.......................so far students from BRAZIL,YAMEN,ETHIOPIA,CANADA,U.S,A,KENYA,ZAMBIA,PA KISTAN,SRILANKA,AND OTHER COUNTRIES STUDENTGRADUATED IN THAT MASTERS PROGRAM....AND INTERNATIONAL EXCHANGE OFICE IS RUNNING SINCE 28 YEARS(.THOUGH I DONT KNOW whether u will satisfy or not if u r not come n see )

BUT IN 2005 cmu STARTED A NEW m.b.b.s PROGRAM IN ENGLISH for student of south asian countries as well as few other countries(specially u.s).....in this program they modified the syllabus and curriculum,and they recruited those professors who have u.s.a or u.k experience....
thats how this program started ...but its true we are not in that program which started 28 years before but it doesnt mean here that program is not running befor 28 yrs .both are true.right..........so dont be confuse
and :p ...........
AND MYSELF IS ONE OF few student who came first her(around 47 student )....but now its around more than 250 students are studing here ......
Dr.sriv

[dr.sriv]

DT last reply was for ur one another post somewhere u started ..i really dont remeber but thought to clarify here...........dont mind......dude

[dr.sriv]

Statement in bold makes no sense to me. 28 years ago = 1979. Why would Chinese students in China be taught in English in the 1970's? China was very closed back then, and hardly any foreigners save the brave ones went to China. There would hardly be a need for English since none of the Chinese high schools students going through their school system were taught in English.


If anyone wants to go to CMU I am sure you can apply directly to them and save the agency fee (for eg, American Dream Abroad).

Here is the webpage for CMU:
China Medical University (http://www.cmu.edu.cn/eng/2005011901.htm)
The contact info is at bottom of page.

THIS IS UR POST :mrgreen: DT

[dt]

u know what here we get bit longer vacation and in mean while so far i travelled around 10 provinces here(the main cities).so thats not a big deal.............and 3 yrs are big duration and main thing is i just wanted to find out hows the system are in various uni...and i got a lots of frenz from my homeland ...........tahts y it wasnt a big deal................:)


oaky, so I can assume you have at least 22 "friends" in Greater China??? and a big travel budget?

[Conway]

Just a side note, travel in China is very inexpensive compared to western standards. I was able to spend a little less than $1000 USD (not including airfare from the US) for an entire month in China last summer, traveling to Shanghai (Central East), Beijing (Northeast), Inner Mongloia (North central) , Pingyao, Xi'an (Mid-west), Kunming (Southwest), Lijiang, Zhongdian (near Tibet), Hangzhou, and Nanjing. This included all transportation costs within China (rail, a few flights), food, accomodation (mainly at hostels and cheaper hotels), entrance fees, souvenirs, and whatnot.

So, despite it sounding hard to believe, it is doable, just as long as you travel thriftily (and it doesn't help to have places to crash where you're visiting).

[dt]

first of all the program is 28 years old and its true.wana chek go through W.H.O website(if u wana cross chek)....


The WHO site (http://www.who.int/hrh/documents/wdms_upgrade/en/index.html)does not support what you say here. Do you have a webpage from WHO that supports your statement?

Also, IMED (http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?country=&school=china+medical+university&currpage=1&cname=&city=&region=&rname=&mcode=243270&psize=25) does not support your "28 years old" remark.

The international program may have been running for 28 years at CMU but the English program appears to be new. And that was what I pointed out eariler.

[shadow7]

I like to say again, the english program at CMU is only 3 years old. B4 that there has not been a foreign batch of students. The 28/27 year old story has no fact to prove it.

The WHO site (http://www.who.int/hrh/documents/wdms_upgrade/en/index.html)does not support what you say here. Do you have a webpage from WHO that supports your statement?

Also, IMED (http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?country=&school=china+medical+university&currpage=1&cname=&city=&region=&rname=&mcode=243270&psize=25) does not support your "28 years old" remark.

The international program may have been running for 28 years at CMU but the English program appears to be new. And that was what I pointed out eariler.

[dr.sriv]

hello i have no personal motive.................nd u said prove it..............if u wana proof come to cmu.........and see the documents at international exchange office.......u will get to know......alumnis from cmu have cleared U.S.MLE and working in various cities of america......hey dont ask there adress.sorry i dunno........this program is all right there shud not b any doubt .....regrading IMED WEBSITE so cud u tell me that how many north american and other countries colleges updated there datas so fast.......................though its true that it doesnt show in imed.....but if u have 2 year old copy of WHO then u will get to know what i m saying..............all right

[dr.sriv]

again i correct u that 3years old programm means SELF FINANCED COURSE..........................REST 7 YEAR INTEGRETED MASTERS PROGRAM OF SCHOLORSHIP STUDENTS (OBVSLY FOREIGNERS) is in english..............pure english

[dr.sriv]

and thats 28 years old program.............believe it or not....its upto u.........i wont explain any more

[dr.sriv]

hello this is for DT .what do u think we indians dont have money............i do have budget thats y i could travelled..nd today just now i came from harbin international ice festival...and mean while i went to HARBIN MED UNIVERSITY.............this is the way how i gone through these all schools...............no more comments pls

[dt]

again i correct u that 3years old programm means SELF FINANCED COURSE..........................REST 7 YEAR INTEGRETED MASTERS PROGRAM OF SCHOLORSHIP STUDENTS (OBVSLY FOREIGNERS) is in english..............pure english

and thats 28 years old program.............believe it or not....its upto u.........i wont explain any more


In English for 28 years? Yeah right!

Okay, I dont believe it.

[dt]

hello this is for DT .what do u think we indians dont have money............i do have budget thats y i could travelled..nd today just now i came from harbin international ice festival...and mean while i went to HARBIN MED UNIVERSITY.............this is the way how i gone through these all schools...............no more comments pls



First of all, I dont even know if you are "indians" or not, and I didnt make my comment based on nationality.

So, you have money and can travel to at least 22 (or should that be 23 now?) different cities -- well, how nice!

[dr.sriv]

all right...........no prob.:cool:

[dazed123]

The fact "teaching in English for 28 years" is NOT true for any medical university in China.
The english the teachers know is just enough for communicating with the students.
Last year's batch was TMU's first batch with American students.

"You dont need to apply thru any agency to get admission, direct application is possible and saves alot of money.

The standard at TMU has been increasing every year and its becomin quite difficult to pass exams with good grades." -shadow 7

That's absolutely right.

I just completed my first semester down here and have got no regrets that I joined TMU....but I still hate the locals.

[shadow7]

i still say that the 28 year story is false.... i hv spoken to students at CMU and they were also led to believe it at first and once they got there realised that its a new program and only 2-3 years old...

The fact "teaching in English for 28 years" is NOT true for any medical university in China.
The english the teachers know is just enough for communicating with the students.
Last year's batch was TMU's first batch with American students.

"You dont need to apply thru any agency to get admission, direct application is possible and saves alot of money.

The standard at TMU has been increasing every year and its becomin quite difficult to pass exams with good grades." -shadow 7

That's absolutely right.

I just completed my first semester down here and have got no regrets that I joined TMU....but I still hate the locals.

[texas74]

The english the teachers know is just enough for communicating with the students.
Last year's batch was TMU's first batch with American students.





Thats not completely true, last year was the first time so many americans starting at the same time. There have been two other americans students that have started but dropped out or transfered out due to low grades, and there is an american student that is doing there 5th year internship.

[dr.sriv]

wow great now ppl from tianjin will judge............i have a clear pic about u guys ..............first get clear about ur college guys..........then think about our cmu...........tianjin even it doesnt hold anyrank in ntop 25.........nd u guys are judging.............i already told if u guys wana proof go to ministry of education,beijing .......there there is a education counslr .....ask him he will tell u...all right or come to cmu.......u can see............but whom i m explaning ...too those kids who just came in tianjin.............leave it.........dont bother

[dr.sriv]

by da way i have seen how great tianjin med uni is..........whata joke

[shadow7]

sriv its great u know so much abt cmu and a loyal student... hw come the other students at cmu dont share ur views... and admit tmu and other unis r better and that the facts u hv r false. u say u wont bother but u stil continue to try convince... how abt u convince ur fellow students first and dont bother with us like uve said countless times...
good day!

by da way i have seen how great tianjin med uni is..........whata joke

[dt]

sriv its great u know so much abt cmu and a loyal student... hw come the other students at cmu dont share ur views... and admit tmu and other unis r better and that the facts u hv r false. u say u wont bother but u stil continue to try convince... how abt u convince ur fellow students first and dont bother with us like uve said countless times...
good day!


agreed.

The word 'shill' comes to my mind at times...

[texas74]

wow great now ppl from tianjin will judge............i have a clear pic about u guys ..............first get clear about ur college guys..........then think about our cmu...........tianjin even it doesnt hold anyrank in ntop 25.........nd u guys are judging.............i already told if u guys wana proof go to ministry of education,beijing .......there there is a education counslr .....ask him he will tell u...all right or come to cmu.......u can see............but whom i m explaning ...too those kids who just came in tianjin.............leave it.........dont bother

From my understanding, the top 25 ranks is for the teaching in chinese language. For example, Fudan University's Shanghai medical college, is a top 5 medical college in china, but they are just now starting an english program.

I would also like to know how more about your opinion of TMU, and please inform me why You think CMU is better than TMU.