Met fellow AUC'er at St Marys last night.

[Macgyver1]

Took my son to the ER last night with chest congestion and saw someone that looked familiar. I saw him again and asked him and he was a semester above me at AUC and doing Surgery there at St Mary's. He said he is there 120 hours a week... ouch. Well at least I got Griffin first before going to hell which I hear is also called Surgery.

[McGillGrad]

Ha..honestl, were you happy or nervous to see a fellow AUC'er there:P

[stephew]

120 hours- nice violation of work hours rules

[McGillGrad]

120 hours- nice violation of work hours rules

Unless, of course, he was trying to make it sound harder to garner sympathy.

[Scott1981]

120 hours- nice violation of work hours rules

doesnt pertain to students. while in michigan, our surgery rotation logged us in many times over 90 hours. the auc students complained, but we assumed that there was not much we can do about it.... so we just accepted our misfortune. one particular wayne state student was livid and tried filling reports to his school. his school responded that although they would like the hospital to keep their students under the 80 hour acgme guidlines, the hospital was not required to do so.

[ds_in_tx]

Unless, of course, he was trying to make it sound harder to garner sympathy.

Do the math: 4am till 6-7pm non-call days (14-15 hours), plus 4am till 6-7pm the following day for on-call (38-39 hours) which is every three days, plus no weekends off, no holidays off. If you go by the smaller values, and in the lucky week where we are only on call two days, 14+14+38+14+38=118 hours.

I was simply telling that guy what to expect when he starts here, because I had no first-hand information when I started, only rumors. When I want to garner sympathy, I tell my friends and family about my schedule, not some random guy from AUC that I hardly remember.

Remember: ACGME max time rules do not apply to medical students.

[ds_in_tx]

Ha..honestl, were you happy or nervous to see a fellow AUC'er there:P

I'd rather see a fellow AUCer who passed basic sciences and passed Step 1, and not some guy who hasn't even started med school yet.

[McGillGrad]

I wasn't trying to say that you were lying. Just taking about human nature. Didn't mean to offend.

Do the math: 4am till 6-7pm non-call days (14-15 hours), plus 4am till 6-7pm the following day for on-call (38-39 hours) which is every three days, plus no weekends off, no holidays off. If you go by the smaller values, and in the lucky week where we are only on call two days, 14+14+38+14+38=118 hours.

I was simply telling that guy what to expect when he starts here, because I had no first-hand information when I started, only rumors. When I want to garner sympathy, I tell my friends and family about my schedule, not some random guy from AUC that I hardly remember.

Remember: ACGME max time rules do not apply to medical students.

[McGillGrad]

I'd rather see a fellow AUCer who passed basic sciences and passed Step 1, and not some guy who hasn't even started med school yet.

You get offended far too easily. Grow a thicker skin or you will never survive.
How was I supposed to know it was you?

[stephew]

foilks, take it easy or don't post.

[stateofequilibrium]

120 hours- nice violation of work hours rules

The residents keep pointing out that those hours don't apply to us and they can work me as hard as they please.

[FOID]

we're nothing more than a pair of scrubs to them

[DrFraud]

You might finish up at St. Marys exhausted, but I also bet you finsish with some top-notch skills. When your doing your audition electives in your 4th year, I bet youll appreciate what you learned much more than you hated how much you had to work.

For St Marys, its real simple. Find a studio/apt as close to the hospital as you can, and pretty much accept for 12 weeks, you belong to them 24/7. And if your so tired that you can hardly remember what week your in, remember that at one time, residents used to have to do this year round.:twisted:

[swimguy23]

The residents keep pointing out that those hours don't apply to us and they can work me as hard as they please.

If you were one of my students I would scut you out non-stop :twisted:

I try hard never to scut students out bc it sucks. However, helping fill d/c summaries out on patients they're following to me is not scut work, nor is doing dictations (which is a skill everyone needs to know how to do well). I have a general rule tho, the quicker we get our work done the more time there is for teaching and procedures. I love teaching the students, especially in aspects of physical exam because believe it or not US med students do not get extensive physical exam training. I was able to teach a lot during my medicine heme-onc months and worked on a lot of percussion techniques. We were able to go through everything from the pathophsysiology of graft vs. leukemia, new target specific chemo drugs and even doing serial physical exams on a young man with AML who they literally watched and felt his spleen go from a gigantic mass in his abdomen to barely palpable with the chemo.

I will never forget how much it sucked being scut out

[stateofequilibrium]

If you were one of my students I would scut you out non-stop :twisted:

I try hard never to scut students out bc it sucks. However, helping fill d/c summaries out on patients they're following to me is not scut work, nor is doing dictations (which is a skill everyone needs to know how to do well). I have a general rule tho, the quicker we get our work done the more time there is for teaching and procedures. I love teaching the students, especially in aspects of physical exam because believe it or not US med students do not get extensive physical exam training. I was able to teach a lot during my medicine heme-onc months and worked on a lot of percussion techniques. We were able to go through everything from the pathophsysiology of graft vs. leukemia, new target specific chemo drugs and even doing serial physical exams on a young man with AML who they literally watched and felt his spleen go from a gigantic mass in his abdomen to barely palpable with the chemo.

I will never forget how much it sucked being scut out

Come to think of it, I've not done one dictation. I've done just about everything under the sun they could "scut" me out for, but not a dictation. If you really want to get proficient in physicals, I recommend doing a stint at a clinic. Doing 20-30 patients a day will give you lots of practice.

[swimguy23]

Come to think of it, I've not done one dictation. I've done just about everything under the sun they could "scut" me out for, but not a dictation. If you really want to get proficient in physicals, I recommend doing a stint at a clinic. Doing 20-30 patients a day will give you lots of practice.

however, generally the pathology in clinic patients and hospitalized patients is much different. You can do abdominal exams all day and never feel anything but go do a heme-onc rotation or nephro rotation for some weird abdominal masses

[AUCMD2006]

however, generally the pathology in clinic patients and hospitalized patients is much different. You can do abdominal exams all day and never feel anything but go do a heme-onc rotation or nephro rotation for some weird abdominal masses


why feel anything when you can just cut it out?:shock:

[stateofequilibrium]

however, generally the pathology in clinic patients and hospitalized patients is much different. You can do abdominal exams all day and never feel anything but go do a heme-onc rotation or nephro rotation for some weird abdominal masses

In the hospital you'll always find cases more on the extreme side than the clinic. And definitely it's important you know what they feel like. I've felt those abdominal masses and often felt tempted to ask if they swallowed a brick by mistake. I'm just saying though, the sheer amount of physicals one does in a day of clinic will give you proficiency at it.

[swimguy23]

why feel anything when you can just cut it out?:shock:

spoken like a true surgeon

[rocky_wayne]

Swimguy...thanks for all your advice on here over the years. I have done the OPPOSITE of what you say to do and made it through med school just fine. Have a happy new year

[swimguy23]

Swimguy...thanks for all your advice on here over the years. I have done the OPPOSITE of what you say to do and made it through med school just fine. Have a happy new year

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[kemper6036]

??.............

voices from the past coming back to haunt you or something

[swimguy23]

voices from the past coming back to haunt you or something


no idea.....

[TheAlchemist]

man....what did u do to piss him off?

[DRDRWMD]

Remember: ACGME max time rules do not apply to medical students.Very true. No rights for medical students, we are actually paying guests of the hospital.

[swimguy23]

man....what did u do to piss him off?

no idea, no idea who he is anyways and probably never interacted with him in my entire life.....that's ok tho he's apparently quite bitter for some reason

[stateofequilibrium]

no idea, no idea who he is anyways and probably never interacted with him in my entire life.....that's ok tho he's apparently quite bitter for some reason

Maybe he lived across from you when you took your daily excursions on the balcony sans pants or underwear?

[swimguy23]

Maybe he lived across from you when you took your daily excursions on the balcony sans pants or underwear?

dont hate me bc im beautiful