Hookah Question.

[Chicago13]

I was wondering if anyone has brought A Hookah to the island before, or if it is OK to bring one. Please let me know.
Thanks Guys.

[stephew]

guys keep in mind: you want to be doctors. its not your right, it is a privledge. If you violate any laws- or invite any unwanted attention- the schools will not protect you and this will follow you around for the rest of what is left of your career. Drug use is not smiled upon in doctors and even if you are going to argue that a hookah isnt necessarily for illegal drug use (in which case if you get into trouble; then law might be a good alternative for you), keep in mind the maxium "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion".

I know i didnt answer your question but please keep this general truism in mind as you make your choices.

[ducman]

Stephew has a very valid point; it is a small island and word gets around what "unique" items an individual has. Even if not used for illegal purposes, it might still be considered drug paraphernalia.

You are entering a profession where you are held to a higher caliber for gaining the skills and ability to treat another human so intimately (physically, emotionally and mentally).

[huxald]

I was wondering if anyone has brought A Hookah to the island before, or if it is OK to bring one. Please let me know.
Thanks Guys.


I think the more important question is, "will you bring enough tahini for all the shwarmas we're going to be cooking up?"

:D

[tintin24]

I was wondering if anyone has brought A Hookah to the island before, or if it is OK to bring one. Please let me know.
Thanks Guys.
yes. people have brought hookahs to the island. neither is it illegal nor looked down upon. there are very few things that you can do to entertain yourself - and if this is something you like, then bring it.

[tintin24]

guys keep in mind: you want to be doctors. its not your right, it is a privledge. If you violate any laws- or invite any unwanted attention- the schools will not protect you and this will follow you around for the rest of what is left of your career. Drug use is not smiled upon in doctors and even if you are going to argue that a hookah isnt necessarily for illegal drug use (in which case if you get into trouble; then law might be a good alternative for you), keep in mind the maxium "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion".

I know i didnt answer your question but please keep this general truism in mind as you make your choices.
hookah is just flavored tobacco. relax.

[Gigi25]

To answer the original question, yes quite a few people brought their hookah's to the island. I know for a colleague of mine, it was a cultural thing. We smoked strawberry flavored tabacco and drank chai tea. If it's part of your culture or if you enjoy the tabacco, I don't think it will be a problem for you to bring it. What you choose to do with it is your business.

[runora]

dont forget the garlic for the potent hummus.. oh wait the side affect (or effect?!) of unwanted gas could be potentially harmful to the island as a whole.

:shock:

My parents smoke the hookah here inthe US. My dad is a doc and he never got his license revoked for smoking peach flavored tobacco. (sometimes he get a little crazy and uses strawberry flavored)

[stephew]

hookah is just flavored tobacco. relax.

you would fit into that alternate career category I mentioned.

[stephew]

dont forget the garlic for the potent hummus.. oh wait the side affect (or effect?!) of unwanted gas could be potentially harmful to the island as a whole.

:shock:

My parents smoke the hookah here inthe US. My dad is a doc and he never got his license revoked for smoking peach flavored tobacco. (sometimes he get a little crazy and uses strawberry flavored)

you surely arent dense if you are going to successfully be a doctor. dont pretend to be.

To answer the original question, yes quite a few people brought their hookah's to the island. I know for a colleague of mine, it was a cultural thing. We smoked strawberry flavored tabacco and drank chai tea. If it's part of your culture or if you enjoy the tabacco, I don't think it will be a problem for you to bring it. What you choose to do with it is your business.

Youre ok up until that last assertion.

Folks, you may not like someone pointing out what should be obvious to you. but what you do is your business only up until you choose to do something illegal.

The bottom line still stands: do something illegal, particularly drugs, you risk your career, no matter how smug you feel about it now. It also matters that you stay clear of appearing to do so. A med student being stopped at customs will not be in great shape if he needs to convince the school what he's NOT going to use it for. Like it or not, you will be under more of a magnifying glass than if you didnt decide to be a doctor If you are using a hookah legally its obviously no problem, but you do need to take caution so as not to have anyone concerned about what youre doing. or, hey, dont. its your career.

[runora]

take it easy over there.

[tintin24]

you would fit into that alternate career category I mentioned.
well you are not anyone of importance. what you 'mentioned' means less than old garbage to me. but i guess thanks for trying, and failing. thats how people usually learn. and that in itself is the essence of medicine - life long learning, keep it up. :D :roll:

again, tobacco is NOT illegal. if you wanna relax and smoke hookah for couple of hours after your block exams - go for it! its relaxing.

[tintin24]

take it easy over there.
hahaha, yah i agree.

[rokshana]

well you are neither my mom, or wife, or grandma, or anyone else of importance. what you 'mentioned' means less than goat poo to me. but i guess thanks for trying, and failing. thats how people usually learn. and that in itself is the essence of medicine - life long learning, keep it up. :D :roll:

again, tobacco is NOT illegal. if you wanna relax and smoke hookah for couple of hours after your block exams - go for it! its relaxing.

ok, so let me get this straight...you come here to this forum to get information from people who are more experienced and knowledgable than you, yet when given advice by a hopkins trained rad onc, who happens to be a harvard attending about the consequences of the false (or maybe not) perception may have on your future medical career, you not only ignore it, but find a need to put her down....nice:shock:

personally, it boggles my mind that anyone in medicine actually still smokes...flavored tobacco or not....but then, just 'cause we are smart people doesn't necessarily mean we have common sense...

[stephew]

Well, perhaps you ought to listen to others besides your mom, grandma and wife. anyone who can do a better job in helping you viz a viz utilization of good judgement and understanding. Case in point; your lassiez faire views regarding doctors and drug use is now up on the net for eternity. For a nice lawyer or employer to get a hold of if ever s/he so desires.

Bad judgement is one thing. But being proud of it and willfully misunderstanding a point...
Good luck with that.


ok, so let me get this straight...you come here to this forum to get information from people who are more experienced and knowledgable than you, yet when given advice by a hopkins trained rad onc, who happens to be a harvard attending about the consequences of the false (or maybe not) perception may have on your future medical career, you not only ignore it, but find a need to put her down....nice:shock:

personally, it boggles my mind that anyone in medicine actually still smokes...flavored tobacco or not....but then, just 'cause we are smart people doesn't necessarily mean we have common sense...
You bring up a good point; the op wants to know if there are consequences to actions. What I'm taking about is in that realm, perhaps in a more broad sense than than the OP anticipated. but quite real nonetheless. Its up to the OP to decide what to do with that info. Interesting that others don't want him to incorporate that info at all.

[tintin24]

ok, so let me get this straight...you come here to this forum to get information from people who are more experienced and knowledgable than you, yet when given advice by a hopkins trained rad onc, who happens to be a harvard attending about the consequences of the false (or maybe not) perception may have on your future medical career, you not only ignore it, but find a need to put her down....nice:shock:

personally, it boggles my mind that anyone in medicine actually still smokes...flavored tobacco or not....but then, just 'cause we are smart people doesn't necessarily mean we have common sense...
what are you, her attorney? was i even talking to you? and i dont care if she went to oxford or harvard or hopkins or kalamazoo - she still ended up in caribbean meds. so did you. the only difference is that you are accomplishing everything that at a much older age than me. i guess we can figure out who is smarter and 'wiser'. :roll: :D
and please, i didnt personally ask you for any 'advice', and please dont feel obligated to give any. good luck in your future.
seems like you take medical heirarchy seriously. well good for you. i dont, and i have 100% confidence in what i do, and don't really care much about what others think. they are not responsible for me. so please try to mind your own business, and quit the unpleasant habit of 'giving free advice'.
and she is wrong - smoking hooka is NOT illegal. is it really THAT hard to understand that fact? its flavoured tobacco, thats all. its same as smoking cigarettes. :)
and please, drop the 'common sense' B.S, and 'im above you because i dont smoke'. I am sure you used copyrighted material without paying many many times. Now thats more illegal and non-sensical than smoking sheesha. :roll::bored: Dont be a hypocrite. :D

[tintin24]

Well, perhaps you ought to listen to others besides your mom, grandma and wife. anyone who can do a better job in helping you viz a viz utilization of good judgement and understanding. Case in point; your lassiez faire views regarding doctors and drug use is now up on the net for eternity. For a nice lawyer or employer to get a hold of if ever s/he so desires.

Bad judgement is one thing. But being proud of it and willfully misunderstanding a point...
Good luck with that.

actually, its you who is having a hard time differentiating between marijuana, drugs, and tobacco.
Last time I checked, marijuana and drugs are ILLEGAL. Smoking sheesha is NOT. Its flavoured tobacco - same stuff in cigarettes.
There are tonnes of hooka bars and its becoming increasingly popular. they even sell it on ebay as complete sets these days for cheap prices - check it out if you have time!
and i dont listen to many people because many times they obviously dont know what they are talking about. and i am not the one who is easily impressed by 'seniors' or 'he/she knows more'. everyone is different, and has their own biases based on experiences they went through. i find it best to do things my way. if i am right, good for me. if not, then its a learning experience.
thats all.

have a nice day.

[rokshana]

what are you, her attorney? was i even talking to you? and i dont care if she went to oxford or harvard or hopkins or kalamazoo - she still ended up in caribbean meds. so did you. the only difference is that you are accomplishing everything that at a much older age than me. i guess we can figure out who is smarter and 'wiser'. :roll: :D
and please, i didnt personally ask you for any 'advice', and please dont feel obligated to give any. good luck in your future.
seems like you take medical heirarchy seriously. well good for you. i dont, and i have 100% confidence in what i do, and don't really care much about what others think. they are not responsible for me. so please try to mind your own business, and quit the unpleasant habit of 'giving free advice'.
and she is wrong - smoking hooka is NOT illegal. is it really THAT hard to understand that fact? its flavoured tobacco, thats all. its same as smoking cigarettes. :)

you obviously have not made it to clinicals yet (or the real world for that matter) medical hierarchy is still very much the norm- you better get use to it or your life in medicine is going to be difficult at best (though i still gotta feeling that the nurses are gonna call you for everything...dr tintin, your pt in rm 325 is running a 100.4 fever that started at 3AM, could you come write an order for tylenol?)


and are you really so naive to think that everyone uses a hooka for flavored tobacco? you gonna believe that EVERY pt you see in the ED is REALLY in that much pain, that they really really need the 2mg dilaudid Q2hours???

as always, YOU can just hit the ignore button and then you won't see any of my posts, but i am certainly not going to allow someone to give, what possibly could be harmful info out to someone genuinely seeking information...

and woo hoo!! sheesha is just as good as cigs- you tell that to kids too?

[tintin24]

you obviously have not made it to clinicals yet (or the real world for that matter) medical hierarchy is still very much the norm- you better get use to it or your life in medicine is going to be difficult at best (though i still gotta feeling that the nurses are gonna call you for everything...dr tintin, your pt in rm 325 is running a 100.4 fever that started at 3AM, could you come write an order for tylenol?)


and are you really so naive to think that everyone uses a hooka for flavored tobacco? you gonna believe that EVERY pt you see in the ED is REALLY in that much pain, that they really really need the 2mg dilaudid Q2hours???

as always, YOU can just hit the ignore button and then you won't see any of my posts, but i am certainly not going to allow someone to give, what possibly could be harmful info out to someone genuinely seeking information...

and woo hoo!! sheesha is just as good as cigs- you tell that to kids too?
aww, i struck a nerve ;). and yes, i live in a fantasy, 'unrealistic' world with goons, ghosts, hobbits, wizards AND goats on SABA! you are so right. Its def. NOT a 'real world'. haha. :D
i dont want to divert the topic on sheesha and give you another opputunity to post your clinical experiences, but there is a difference between being submissive and blindly following someones 'advice' and listening and learning from those who can teach you. even after that, you have to be crictical of what you are taught, and analyze it carefully. thats always the plan.
and well maybe the nurses dont like you and have made your life miserable, but i know how to handle myself, and thats it.
and i think its you who is giving wrong info about sheesha. for the last time, its NOT illegal. nor is it addictive, if used responsibly.
and well it sucks for people who use it for anything else. the poster was talking about flavoured tobacco - which is NOT illegal (i sound like a parrot saying this over and over). he did not mention anything about using the hooka apparatus for something illegal. if its illegal, then its a no no. thats all.

[rokshana]

and well maybe the nurses dont like you and have made your life miserable, but i know how to handle myself, and thats it.
oh, the nurses like me well enough...i am respectful enough to know that most of them know more than I did as a 3rd year and do as a 4th year- they are some of the best teachers...but i have seen students (and interns)that think they are better and that they are soooo confident in themselves...but it doesn't long....they will break you down..

the poster was talking about flavoured tobacco - which is NOT illegal (i sound like a parrot saying this over and over). he did not mention anything about using the hooka apparatus for something illegal. if its illegal, then its a no no. thats all.

ACTUALLY the OP said nothing about flavored tobacco- you are just assuming that is what he/she meant...(s)he asked about hookas....it may be what YOU use it for, but don't be so gullible to think that is what everyone would use it for the same purpose.

[facetguy]

I've never smoked a hookah before, but could it really be THAT great as to be worth all the potential hassle/trouble/reputation-tainting associated with it? Yes, I can understand the cultural aspects, and yes I understand that one can smoke legal substances with it, but it just seems a little extreme to me. It kind of reminds me of some of the opinions posted in the "drug testing" thread.

[facetguy]

I usually don't like to stick my nose in things, but this caught my attention:

i find it best to do things my way. if i am right, good for me. if not, then its a learning experience.
thats all.



Or, if not, perhaps your patient is harmed, or worse.

[tintin24]

I usually don't like to stick my nose in things, but this caught my attention:



Or, if not, perhaps your patient is harmed, or worse.
User can't play nice

[tintin24]

oh, the nurses like me well enough...i am respectful enough to know that most of them know more than I did as a 3rd year and do as a 4th year- they are some of the best teachers...but i have seen students (and interns)that think they are better and that they are soooo confident in themselves...but it doesn't long....they will break you down..



ACTUALLY the OP said nothing about flavored tobacco- you are just assuming that is what he/she meant...(s)he asked about hookas....it may be what YOU use it for, but don't be so gullible to think that is what everyone would use it for the same purpose.

hehehe, well no one really knows for sure how they treat you or think of you. you are giving your opinion, and could be lying for what all i care. :D

anyhow, 'ACTUALLY', the OP said 'hookah', which is a synonym for sheesha. a BONG is used for marijuana, not a hooka. their construction is different. :cool:
sheesha/hooka is used for tobacco. read up on hooka here: Hookah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Read up the section on hookahs in U.S. and Canada - they only use tobacco, and sometimes non-tobacco alternatives.
I will leave it at that, beause I feel that I have made my points very comprehensively, and there is no need to bicker over unrelated topics any further.

[huxald]

People, i think we are losing sight of what is important here.....shawarmas and tahini. :D

couldn't resist. lol.

[runora]

Ha! I am there with you.. we must refocus on the essentials here.

[M.furfur]

Whether it's legal or not! a Doctor who smokes should be looking for another kind of career.....my own and personal opinion

[Wh0Kares]

Whether it's legal or not! a Doctor who smokes should be looking for another kind of career.....my own and personal opinion

you don't want a country without doctors now do you ;)

[ReckonerMD]

you don't want a country without doctors now do you ;)

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[Gigi25]

Whether it's legal or not! a Doctor who smokes should be looking for another kind of career.....my own and personal opinion

I think people should be more tolerant of what others choose to do with their own bodies. A person who smokes a cigar occasionally or whatever has the right to be a doctor if he chooses. Of course this presents a problem when the doctor has to advise his patient to quit smoking, when he himself has a pack a day habit......

[JeebusLives]

people like to try to have control over each others lives. cant really do anything about it.

[wolfvgang22]

:lol: Thanks for the entertaining thread.
If you want to go through the hassle of explaining what you do with your hookah to people in this very judgemental and competitive profession and at the same time put lethal carcinogens into your body, that's your business, I completely agree.
I would definitely keep it quiet, though. If cancer or prejudice towards you comes of your hookah use...:shrug:
Take what you want from life and be ready to pay for it, right? ;)
Good luck to you.
~W